Whether the connection DreamStalker PRO to the computer?

[Александр (разработчик)]

DreamStalker PRO I bought recently and a question:
the possibility of connection with the help of data cable will be only new versions of the device, and "old" as me V1.05 - remain behind?

No, overboard they will remain, but this will require updating the version of the device firmware to support new features and the installation of the connector on the Board device (seat to install on the Board already provided).

[Александр (разработчик)]

3. Update. It would encourage (if the code is, of course, leave open) enthusiasts to come up with new versions of the program (as in m/m).

Open source will not be exact. And the need software updates now I have doubts. Is there a need to periodically make any improvements in normally operating the program? There is now, in my opinion, there is already all that is necessary to users, and overloading the device menu means to complicate the already complex functional device that will make it even more difficult to handle.

[Guest]

Developers

please answer - why not DreamStalker Pro software update with memory card?

Only plan may be to make connecting the USB cable to the PCB of the device, that in turn deprives same owners DreamStalker Pro (even with the latest software version 1.05), but who do not live in Moscow, the ability to update the software for the device in the future...


P. S. In any case, it is necessary to make an opportunity for the owners of the device to independently update the software.

If undertook to do the best device on the market (for now) and continue in the same spirit

[Александр (разработчик)]

the Developers, please answer - why not soft DreamStalker Pro update using the memory card?

You have, I believe, version 1.05, and present no one is going to do any next version of the software for this device, as the current program works perfectly and has all the functions needed by this device. As, for example, conventional DreamStalker very long-confirmed in version 1.01 and no longer requires updates for the same reason - lack of errors in operation and optimal functional composition. So You have no reason to worry .

[Guest]

See the support the thing...

I recently bought the device, but with software version 1.05.

It means the software version:

1.00
1.01
1.02
1.03
1.04

Ie in about a year and a half, there has been the need to update the firmware DreamStalker Pro five times.

And whatever it was, but always will be a need to make and install version 1.06 and 1.07 and later.

To argue it is simply pointless seeing this series: 1.00, 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05.

And pay attention: because of the inability at the moment the owners DreamStalker Pro can update the software by yourself, you should already have and there are people who stay forever with a device with outdated software.

I understand that the developers of the device say so know better, but I, too, have their own understanding of the situation and I have my own interests.
Paying for the device a lot of money I would like to feel satisfied and from the device and from a company that undertakes in the future, even hypothetically - support service and update the software.

It is in your best interest to make the product most attractive to buyers.

In my best interest to buy the decent thing - which is the most useful, which will give me a reason to be happy with yourself and others.


PS Not all the people who have already bought or buy Dream Stalker Pro live in Moscow and can bring the device to the office for reprogramming.

[Guest]

By the way,
my question is something left unanswered:

why not soft DreamStalker Pro update using the memory card?

[Александр (разработчик)]

Agree that I, as a developer, I probably know better, will need updating in the future or not required. To upgrade the program from the card is impossible because I this function is not done before and do not now see the need. What are You going to prove me wrong, nothing will change, believe me.

[Guest]

To upgrade the program from the card is impossible because I this function is not done before and do not now see the need.

Please, here more in detail.

I.e. in soft DreamStalker Pro (1.00, 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05) to determine the function of the firmware update in the future with the existing memory card but this has not been done?

[Guest]

To upgrade the program from the card is impossible because I this function have not done before...

Please update whether it is about DreamStalker Pro or software o hardware?

[Александр (разработчик)]

Please specify whether it is about the DreamStalker Pro or software o hardware?

We are talking about.

[Guest]

Please specify whether it is about the DreamStalker Pro or software o hardware?

We are talking about.

It is a pity of course, that's already 5 versions of updates needed... but still not soft DreamStalker PRO features pereproshivka from the memory card.

From my point of view,
we should show respect to customers and immediately make changes to the software, the new version 1.07 - to put an end to the issue of firmware updates in the future.

[Guest]

More correctly so:

From my point of view,
we should show respect to customers and immediately to make changes to the software to the new version 1.06 - to put an end to the issue of firmware updates in the future.

[Александр (разработчик)]

More correctly so:
From my point of view,
we should show respect to customers and to immediately make changes to the software to the new version 1.06 - to put an end to the issue of firmware updates in the future.

The implementation of update functionality using SD-card stumbles at the obstacle of incompatibility of the operating system to read FAT16 and bootloader with AES encryption algorithm DES. The upgrade is potentially possible to be implemented using a Data cable and special software, which is still in nature, yet, for their development I do not yet expect. And what do You require? First would be asked and whether it is possible to do it, are there any problems when performing this task... before you stand in the position of the king, the tyrant and demand to immediately fulfill Your desire.

[Алексей Царенко]

Developer DS.
the idea of connecting to my computer is good, but the question arose - programmable chips have a resource flashing (about 1000 times) not will it affect the viability of the device?
But the idea is good...

[Александр (разработчик)]

Developer DS.
the idea of connecting to my computer is good, but the question arose - programmable chips have a resource flashing (about 1000 times) not will it affect the viability of the device?
But the idea is good...

Not 1000, but 10,000 times programmable ATmega128L, which is installed in the device DreamStalker PRO. Its firmware a few times not in any way affect its performance. Even if he is asking 5000 times, and even then he still normally would have worked, as it should according to documentation.

[кучумовн]

Interesting topic.
I for flashing, for opening her ishodnyh codes.
I liked the idea of "just a mask with a blue tooth", where "heavy" code is submitted that this is more adapted on PC.
It would be possible, eventually, to the whole community, as Linux.
If someone takes something like this to realize - I can offer my help.
Contact: live in Moscow, I know Java and web languages, I use Linux (so purely for statistics), email: kuchumovn dog gmail dot com

[Мертона]

Alexander (developer)and maybe you can make control is not for data cable, and via a configuration file which can be created on the computer in the program with a friendly interface and tips, as you described.

It can be a binary file which is pointless to watch specialist or a text, with a clear mnemonic field teams and the values in the device menu.

In the case mnemonically clear commands, and without the program to do.
for example:
# parameter description, any information
\name settings in the menu tool\ = \numeric value\

syntax, of course anyone can be, I just want the idea to convey.

then the file zapisyvaet on the SD card and initialize the card reader Grimstalker configuration.
In this method, no need cable, no connectors, no drivers....

Program that will generate such a file is not very complex, can be implemented in a lot of ways, but it seems to me that regardless of the platform it is necessary to use something that works right in your browser, maybe Java or something now progressive?
Or the configuration program can generally be developed on the website and work through the browser - and there is full compatibility with all OSes....
Or it could be a script for a word or Excel... In General, when managing the file through to my mind more advantages than other methods.

still will have the ability to share configurations...

The only question is whether Grimstalker reading the configuration from a file on SD?

[Александр (разработчик)]

the only Question is whether Grimstalker reading the configuration from a file on SD?

The configuration will be able to read without problems, you can do that but there's no time, and most likely it won't appear.

[Мертона]

Sorry.... I hope that will appear.
the fact that the interface usability is particularly important in the initial development of the device, and then get used to everything you can.
People out playing the violin, and nothing, and there is the interface any worse.
According to the forum, are like mine, there are a lot of beginners.
However, I can who will support?
Maybe there is someone willing interface software to write? A respected developer will add the program for the microcontroller?

[Александр (разработчик)]

Merton
If You feel that DreamStaker'a confusing menu and complicated settings, all that can be said about other devices? Here's a comparison read: https://mindmachine.ru/catalog/shop/sravnenie-osov. There was a time when I asked whether it is the connection to the computer. If you look at the survey data on this topic, it becomes clear that only half a dozen people from a large number of buyers find this is needed. So even the sense to make the connection with the computer, I did not see and do not see it now. You still do not consider that development is an expensive pleasure. If You offer to pay for it, You will say that it is better be to yourself at night, instead of the instrument Board light bulb in the eyes flashing, pressing the switch than to pay so much money, how much quality development . But the money invested must not only return but also bring profit. You know .

[Мертона]

Understand and respect your work. I read that everyone else is doing less functional devices.
Can't imagine labor costs for modification to the instrument.
However, I'm nearly a week trying to use dreamstalker and so far without success. I blame it nuisance control. I understand that sleep is a delicate matter, and all that, and I think that's supposed to be the cause of interface improvements. And most importantly, I realize that by the time you may make changes, I just adapt to that interface and to me personally it will be not important.
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Can't imagine the number of sold units, are they enough to cover development costs?

My logic is simple - if this is a business, of course, competitors, and much less sense to modify the device no.

But I something tells that you are a researcher and the meaning is, it is to increase the number of people successfully using the device.

I read that people suggested to replace the firmware, and you said that this is not technically possible. Sorry. I suppose if it were, there would be firmware implementing other algorithms and settings.

[123]

You still do not consider that development is an expensive pleasure. If You offer to pay for it, You will say that it is better be to yourself at night, instead of the instrument Board light bulb in the eyes flashing, pressing the switch than to pay so much money, how much quality development .

estimated cost per 1 PCs grimstalker about:
all the outlines with a large margin

printed circuit Board fabrication ~ $ 100
ATmega128L ~ 900p
the rest of the email. components ~1500R
manufacturer tipichnogo cover ~ 500r
memory card ~ 500r

let total 3500r

and of course intellectualny work, which is difficult to assess.

But the money invested must not only return but also bring profit. You know

fat ~5000r device.

[Александр (разработчик)]

approximate cost of 1 PCs grimstalker about:
all the outlines with a large margin

printed circuit Board fabrication ~ $ 100
ATmega128L ~ 900p
the rest of the email. components ~1500R
manufacturer tipichnogo cover ~ 500r
memory card ~ 500r

let total 3500r

and of course intellectualny work, which is difficult to assess.

That's just about the intellectual work here and discussed. The cost of components (in production) to the cost of the project development process has no relation. Why don't You consider the cost of the work people do, why only parts? Then buy themselves these accessories and enjoy the broken pieces of iron without the program, scattered on the table. Or, if you want to prove your innocence, then order somewhere development for $ 0, as You thought, or do it with your hands. Release a batch of devices at a lower price, spending $ 0 on production and $ 0 in support of the project from the developer, earn money . What is the language to work to shift the paper, make the real goods. Then you will talk .

[Андрей Кабанков]

When calculating profit, it is necessary to take into account the cost of infrastructure sales,in this case, the salary of 8 employees,maintenance of office and site.
If you forget about it - on paper will be a big profit,and the bag is empty.
Usually counting money in another's pocket do people who are far from the real business.
Touches shows with the prosecution of trade networks why a product is bought for the ruble and sold for half.Like the half of the ruble and there is profit.And taxes,and hundreds of personnel...we have Reached the point of price regulation.Destky garden.

[Ахтартам]

It seems to me, is not so much the ability to connect the DS to the computer, how many of the preservation statistics to the SD card. For example, in CSV or XML format.

* date;
* the on-time of the sleep timer;
* used settings;
* the number of signals per night;
* list of time signals;
* the number of records on tape (the de facto number of dreams).

In short the maximum information in order for this information to accumulate, aggregate, and analyze (already on computer).

Voted against the possibility of PC connection, so I believe that it will only complicate the device, and the particular profit will not. And what is the mechanism more complicated, the more places it can break.