Виктор Валерьевич wrote:Yeah, the puzzles.. I'm like no one else has driven?? Just wanted to hear opinions Drim, and then well, just back to the ENEMY.. And yet I still are a potential buyer of the device.. I will, of course, respect as a developer and will consider the question of purchase of the device however. And the opinions of the masses of users in my question may be much more important than Yours.
You react very dramatically to the answers. Dreamstalker - a common household appliance, running on quite a conventional physical principles of physiological features of a man and his dream (Stephen Laberge is quite easy to understand these principles and skills described in his books, if you're interested, although in other sources enough information if you ask for it to find). Therefore, the comparison with the meat grinder very appropriate example.
Just on this resource in addition to the devices with a scientifically grounded base, and you can buy "artifacts" that only one fact of its appearance the buyer is supposed to benefit. So many people think that the same "magical properties" must be the rest of the product range. They feel that if they paid money, they have to obtain the result without making any other effort from your side. And any device to work on yourself (be it a mind-machine, bio feedback device or the same grimstalker) is just a tool and the results it will bring just in case, if to use it according to the attached instructions. It is not enough just to wear it at night to become a great dreamer - except by accident once happens (and even a couple of times with more luck, but superficially and only for a few seconds).
Виктор Валерьевич wrote:Thanks for the reply, but my own experience I have no (practical mean) and none of what I'm not convinced.
But You're not interested in that, and the fact whether the person independently to the OS without grimstalker after he got to do with it. This was the answer.
Revised the Rainbow, communicate with a friend who years 5-6 years has been successfully practicing the entrance to the OS and shared with me the nuances of output and I have tried his tips but nothing works.
What have You tried? If 4 years of desperately wanting and doing all that is described a Rainbow and a private experienced friend, it is very strange still to not have personal experience. Here far from the topic people after a week of listening to the usual audio boast that attain lucidity in a dream almost by one...
know someone who worked an entire year with the device, but was never released to the OS.. it's local - validating..
It is possible that he "fought" not with the instrument, and their own laziness. Was not able to defeat her, but the blame for that has appointed a submissive piece of iron, which was quick to proclaim on the Internet (myself-that I need to justify).
I'm almost 10 years quite closely with people in the Internet on devices of self-development (initially led support forum of the national mind-machine, then a few led projects related to here now to slowly teach people how to work with them), so well understood on their own experience: what people say about your product on the Internet, and what they actually do are two totally different things.
Can even real-life examples show workshop on mind-machines I'm in the neighboring thread: people who have cars the first year, who here wrote that it works perfectly (or does not work, although they tried very hard), after a week of work on banal program primitive files begin to write such reviews, which immediately becomes clear:
a) everything they wrote before - empty of imagination and exaggeration (the device has actually long been gathering dust on the shelf, and you all think that it is not - I bought it(and) not just so, and even think that this is my problem),
b) they never worked with the device as I had to work, and therefore did not receive the sensations it can give
and
in) even after stunning them results, majority of participants are unable to overcome laziness and to work with the device for more than two weeks they become bored (in this case, many tend to incorporate the principle of "green grapes", as the Fox in the fable, that is my fault again are not they, but all the same uncomplaining iron).
That's all you need to know about online reviews in order to perceive reality.
So no need to listen to others in order to make up their minds. First of all listen to yourself and honestly answer the question - You need a tool to work on yourself and to achieve something? Or need only one more point in order to once again justify that (by and large) to You is to not really need (after all, if really needed, then laziness would certainly somehow managed to win).
If the former, then feel free to take - in this case, it will help You to get into a lucid dream (assuming that You were honest with yourself, of course), but if the latter, then no need to waste your money - read the comments from other disgruntled lazy people and You will feel better absolutely free)))<