detector REM-phase

[Волутар]

And that complicated algorithms? If there are laws (and they are), then detect reaching the REM is not a problem, though not with the first ipulse, and with a slight delay.

[Александр (разработчик)]

And that complicated algorithms? If there are laws (and they are), then detect reaching the REM is not a problem, though not with the first ipulse, and with a slight delay.

Changes in the frequency of the pulse is so small that it is usually considered to be the pulse invariant depending on the sleep phase. Therefore write all these data, who has the desire, but to write a normal and make a real product for sale - it is quite another situation turns out. Although, I totally agree with You, there is nothing particularly complicated there. Here other questions arise. Why it is necessary to reduce the potential accuracy of determining the phase of the REM if there are many times more robust analysis method for eye movements? If You want to get rid of the mask, then how to issue basic, much-loved and recognized by all, lighting tips? How not to get lost in the wires when we start to give audio cues if headphones have to connect to the mask, and the bracelet on her arm, for example? Of course, you can solve all these problems wireless connections with additional modules, but is the game worth the candle?

[ТипаГость]

And that complicated algorithms? If there are laws (and they are), then detect reaching the REM is not a problem, though not with the first ipulse, and with a slight delay.

well, if not a problem - we can spread a number of records made in the course of a month (even raw wav files, though with rozpoznany heart rate).

if we can develop an algorithm that recognizes at least 80% REM-phases - I would be very grateful.

[ТипаГость]

Changes in the frequency of the pulse is so small that it is usually considered to be the pulse invariant depending on the sleep phase. Therefore write all these data, who has the desire, but to write a normal and make a real product for sale - it is quite another situation turns out. Although, I totally agree with You, there is nothing particularly complicated there.

pulse changes between sleep stages were significant.

another thing is that on the pulse, except for the sleep phase is affected more car and small truck various factors - starting with difficulty breathing (nose is stuffed up, for example), to physical form and degree of fatigue.

So write down this data, anyone with the desire, but to write a normal and make a real product for sale - it is quite another situation turns out.

personally, I'm doing a hobby project for myself. just for fun.

normal analysis can be done (eyes on the chart, and in the network there are plenty of pieces where painted such things) - I just have not enough experience in this field. or want too many at once ))




selling there any side.

it is clear that to make analogue lobarzewski mask on a modern element base and sell it at a price slightly cheaper than the original (especially discontinued) - will be much more profitable than fool with independent research

[Александр (разработчик)]

normal analysis can be done (eyes on the chart, and in the network there are plenty of pieces where painted such things) - I just have not enough experience in this field

So I do not argue what can be done. It is not clear - why .

[Тапка ( под гостем)))]

dear guest who conducted the experiments with their devices !!!!! Email me pliz benratik@mail.ru urgent!!!! we have certain developments on the pulse - looking for algorithms and procheee, heart rate sensor,receiver and a connection with the comp have
everything is OK! need a calculation algorithm .Or Dowa discuss here .

[Тапка ( под гостем)))]

Grimstalker as Novadreamer and other light-music does not give after so much time NO effect - the developers admit it.
We need to change it in the Bud IMHO.If there is a normal definition of dream by the movements of the eyes - okay , but this nedostatochnoe.
Audio cues of the type you're in a dream ,try to fly and stuff,plus include binaural rhythm which supports consciousness in sleep ,vibrapods with a pre-generated at the reflex .
Me personally the money from the sale and development is not needed - I need something more......
Think about the people You crowds will float.

[Александр (разработчик)]

Audio cues of the type you're in a dream ,try to fly and stuff,plus include binaural rhythm which supports consciousness in sleep ,vibrapods with a pre-generated at the reflex .
Me personally the money from the sale and development is not needed - I need something more......
Think about the people You crowds will float.

Did not understand, something to think about, and what You propose to do? All that You have written, has long been implemented in the PRO version.

[Тапка]

taks - finally found one specialist to pulse,sending him regular graphs of pulse activity during sleep, he promised to develop an algorithm for catching the REM .

[Guest]

Grimstalker as Novadreamer and other light-music does not give after so much time NO effect - the developers admit it.

And why is it that You brought in sort of a strange conclusion? Spring came, and I just wanted to believe it? People buy DreamStalker, great use them, sometimes write here about their results. However, there are those citizens who don't even powers in the hands of this device, start anything and everything to throw mud. They name of the product, don't like, but the sound is not the same as in the concert hall, just like You - did not work to come up with that is not exactly like. On sleep phases, the device DreamStalker works very clearly, without mistakes, and that applies to all additional ideas, about which You wrote, as I already said above, they are all implemented in the new device DreamStalker PRO, which is issued for six months.

Regarding the analysis of the REM phase of the pulse, then this is not for me particularly difficult, but I can not understand WHY? The only rational explanation that comes to mind is getting rid of the mask. After all, the pulse can be measured even on one finger. Here only you will lose many functions of the PRO version! For example, how You intend to connect headphones to the device, if it is not on your head? Or maybe it will on your head? Or headphones You have there is not at all? Would tell everyone, which is dark?

[Тапка]

Getting rid of the mask - that is the main objective and difficulty.
Our Registrar is heart rate on the chest
on the wrist is a receiver and data processor headphones and suomisalmi - no problem. If the Registrar BDG eyes gave the results I would be the first to know,I believe my experience)))
As he said yesterday, one of my friends razrabotchik devices for vavo "to the wagon wheel from Mercedes put".....

[Александр (разработчик)]

If the Registrar BDG eyes gave the results I would be the first to know,I believe my experience)))

If You are having any problems, you just need to understand the reason, because most users this is no problem. Sometimes complain that standard flash in the dream, but that the device did not work on the REM, this does not happen. Complained somehow, I remember one of the users, so then he wrote that as sort of undercut the foam with the mask form your face, and everything was fine. Sometimes on a mask onto the forehead or down the nose - like so they feel more comfortable and the sensor, of course, moves with the eye, and the device sees no movement of the pupil. Wear is fine - no problem. Uncomfortable to sleep with the mask on - that's a separate issue .

The Registrar of the pulse in the chest are not gauge whether POLAR by chance?

[Тапка]

Uncomfortable to sleep in a mask - that's a separate issue .

YES!! this is the problem , I can not sleep with the thing on the bridge and all the PPC,the sensor works like a clock and adjust the sensitivity as you want.
Did the most convenient and miniature masks - all in vain(((And we have a heart rate monitor - heart rate Monitor BEURER PM20 , cheapest took over 1200 RUB.
Recently watched threads in the Internet on the pulse oximeter - it is very interesting to investigate the blood oxygen saturation during the transition from phase to phase.
But sensors PPS - the cheapest 4 thousand worth of PPC!!! medtech what to say)))

[Александр (разработчик)]

a sensor works like a clock and adjust the sensitivity as you want.

Thank you for the positive feedback .

And we are heart rate monitor - heart rate Monitor BEURER PM20 , cheapest took over 1200 RUB.

I would not take a ready-made sensors is expensive. There is enough infrared led and phototransistor. Also, as I did in Grimstalker e (schematic diagram of the device is on my second website). This pair is located on diametrically opposite points of the circumference of any finger or on the earlobe (the latter very effectively). Programmatically analyzed (through the integrated in the microcontroller ADC) changes voltage level when the heart beats, count the pulse.

[ЗН]

the Most reliable detector is the relaxation of the neck muscles. With a professional, so to say, the studies sleep used it.

And on what principle it works? Why not use included with the wireless unit?

[Андрей Патрушев]

AND on what principle it works?

The electromyogram.

[НиКолян]

Good day! Read these 3 pages of posts and have not met another 2 methods for the determination of the REM:
1. skin resistance (GSR) can be measured using bracelet together with heart rate.
2. And almost contactless: under the sheet laid soft rubber hose, and to one of the outputs from it connected to the gauge, (you can try to use an inflatable mattress) and a pneumatic sensor to register a small twitching of the muscles peculiar to the BDG, and to filter strong signals from changing body positions.
PS If you live and sleep together (M+F), then such pairs are United aura and the onset of the REM phase is also synchronized, especially in the second half of the night, and sometimes even the plot of the sleep is like, especially before the awakening. I think this direction is entitled to consideration, although it was proposed over half a century ago

[Guest]

For erections also measure the REM phase. but no one dares to wear a device ))

[НиКолян]

....but no one dares to wear a device ))

Almost a year of discussion and no one wants! Cherish, probably the most expensive, afraid to break.

Specifically, the pressure actuated worked even with the old equipment (amplifier, meter, recorder on paper tape), but it was cumbersome, not for the home environment.
Most importantly, you can sleep without electrodes and wires, the risk of wind and disturb blood circulation. More comfortable somehow.
Developer -Great respect.

[Тапка]

Want homemade Novadreamer/grimstalker the sensor from the mouse ( well, compared to grimstalker my amoeba but still)---'ll post tomorrow.

I must say - do it yourself gemorno so that Lucci just buy Grimstalker )))

[Владимир Никонов 2]

Make yourself like the movie

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[Александр (разработчик)]

Want homemade Novadreamer/grimstalker the sensor from the mouse ( well, compared to grimstalker my amoeba but still)---'ll post tomorrow.

I must say - do it yourself gemorno so that Lucci just buy Grimstalker )))

And if you think well, how awful this mouse design in reality will work, and make a homemade won't be perfect.

[Косинус]

Here's a device being developed Remdetector http://ezoelectro.narod.ru/history1/page1.html
Competitor DreamStalker

[Александр (разработчик)]

Here's a device being developed Remdetector http://ezoelectro.narod.ru/history1/page1.html
Competitor DreamStalker

It is not clear why there are so many sensors, if still present, the motion sensor eye? It one is more than enough to determine the phase of the REM.

[Косинус]

Here's a device being developed Remdetector http://ezoelectro.narod.ru/history1/page1.html
Competitor DreamStalker

It is not clear why there are so many sensors, if still present, the motion sensor eye? It one is more than enough to determine the phase of the REM.

Likely for research, is strong connection to my computer.