Lucid Dreams vs. Out-of-body experience

[сторекс]

Lucid Dreams (CB) vs. Out-of-body experience (OBE): how to distinguish ?

Offer those who has experience, to write here who like OS differs from the WTO.

[Ригпа]

Michael Raduga said that the state of a system and the WTO is essentially a manifestation of the same phenomenon, which he will integrate in the term phase (the phase condition). I practiced OS, but with direct outputs (WTO or OS occurred in the room where you sleep) was not familiar, so I won't judge. But one day he rainbow, by the way he is a skeptic is a pragmatist, told me that once, during experience of a phase I saw on the carpet the coin, as in real life, he came to the place and in fact, the coin was waiting for him there Don't know whether it is connected with the subconscious mind which all notices or is it a real solution exists

[Хаст]

Indeed, the difference between the WTO and OS no. And out-of-body or what not, everything happens only in the mind.

[Баламут Чума]

Lucid dreams sometimes work, sometimes not, without any instruments. One of the tricks is to just look at your palms (hands) before bed. And to inspire myself to do it in my sleep. And then, Yes, you have a chance to feel yourself in the dream consciously. Before going to sleep, for example has set itself the task to look in the mirror. Yes, happened 3 times. The first time I saw an ugly old woman. in the same dream re-looked - had seen the girl. Before bed I set the setting to know the current date. In one dream asked, and they answered: - what is time? In another dream he looked at me like a jerk, but 3 times it said it was 2008 December 15, the week before Christmas, I realized at home that was somewhere in America. In another dream, jumped on the bed like a child, and so thought maybe I was in a dream? Yes, indeed! And hovered. Then I think, let me pass through the wall. Tried and the darkness and woke up.
The only thing I can tell you one thing. if You not yet read the book, did not understand anything, not created (painted, crafted, made something good, fought (with no justice) not coddling the child, You have little chance of achieving a lucid dream. Because only that makes the potential energy for the journey in my sleep.

[Макте]

...the Only thing I can tell you one thing. if You not yet read the book, did not understand anything, not created (painted, crafted, made something good, fought (with no justice) not coddling the child, You have little chance of achieving a lucid dream. Because only that makes the potential energy for the journey in my sleep.

I was completely mindless and a waste of energy, plus a very dense meat dinner right before bed (probably not even worth talking about how sleep is affected), plus a cold, "about the eternal and the good," even speech was not, and all perfectly worked. As were the days of "diligent set of energy", including months of "proper" food and healthy lifestyles, after which, no matter how puffed - nothing worked. I think here are a few other factors take precedence. I do not argue that "energy" is important, but, IMHO, for example, the intention to realize themselves (or "the astral plane to fly"), and technology, successful practices have a more important role.

[к-13]

Maktefully support... Caught a direct relationship only one - Yes, alcohol. With the total sleeping time good relationship - the more you sleep, the more likely it is to catch a awareness and last long (especially in the last cycle), but it is not absolute - there were many cases OS and chronic lack of sleep, and when cutting out for 2 hours on the night shift. And, of course, the practice in the Wake if the day is not going to look at my hands, read the text 2-3 times, to wonder about the dream when meeting the individual characteristics of sleep and all sorts of oddities, and night hardly believe that sleep... And no grimstalker will not help...

[Макте]

...Caught a direct relationship only one - Yes, alcohol...

K-13about the alcohol (already forgot what it is) of the same opinion - strongly hampered by various "practices". I now can't remember a single case when after alcohol (though any size, quality or shutter speed) I do dreams at least remember, not to mention the desire something to practice.

[bofara]

Besides alcohol and I would add coffee.

[Джейсон]

Indeed, the difference between the WTO and OS no. And out-of-body or what not, everything happens only in the mind.

For example. But when the OS goes, and you're friend he Wake up again? It's never when you're falling in a dream land and can't move, there is pain in the place where the output will go now (chakras) and voila - the WTO. Ie I feel from chakramov determine what it is. If discomfort in the area of svadhisthana, was preceded by the exit, it is essential projection (the closest to the physical world), and if at all there were no feelings OS. In fact, the WTO on the mental chakras it looks like the OS only OS You actually master the selection, and the WTO will kick You out immediately for wrong thoughts and actions. For example, at the WTO's vishudha - in fact, to get to Paradise, do anything or be confused, the OS is just decoration, after returning from there, in our little world is more than 1 second do not want. This is all easily achieved by practice of yoga, pure thoughts, pure actions, and focusing on the deity (the inhabitants of the mental worlds) and succeed.

[нева]

You can enter the term "the period of conditional wakefulness" P. U. B. -this is when a person thinks he is awake, but really, just sleeping, watching as sleep your favorite picture of the world which, as it seems, he understands and accepts the reality. Wake up "awake" it's beyond force, after committing which, with the so-called Wasps, no problems, and perhaps not only them..) But this is unnecessary, For Osiv desirable soft approach.
When a person sleeps at night is such a weak force is needed that is accumulating to the level of habit (conditioned reflexes) in about two or three days, but stronger efforts "in reality". The habit to remember yourself, every five minutes will form a "reality"and "in dreams" without any of the fast and slow phases appear able to be satisfied by Wasps..for a long time)
Simply put, man is not accustomed, make an effort the brain is "awake", it is the same thing "in a dream"..)

In General, the effort of remembering myself..this, in essence, attempts to change the frequency of the brain and the entire nervous system..

[Леонид Сархошев]

Around 12 at night, unable to sleep..because the day before a couple of times dozing for half an hour..
Put my ear buds in, turned on book, well..I can't clearly hear the words from the book-but to link them into one can not MP3 of the book-not for me..look at his son,he sleeps with his mother,and see how restless revolves so that the sheet beneath him was already well crumpled again..words from the book some kind of sound..and BAM! because of podgolov bed grabbing me hands black,I think maybe the wife..trying to escape from the clutches to no avail..and Wake up lying on side, heart-pounding-as much as it hurts..now I understand what people are dying in my sleep, and I think we were lucky..not guys((

[нева]

.and BAM! because of podgolov bed grabbing me hands

Well pornovideo..)))
But some hands..this is a little experiences you can get on this garbage..you can even not pay attention. But still a wonderful experience..)
I mean it is possible to say that the real WTO..this is actually the game of death..)

trying to escape from the clutches to no avail..and Wake up lying on side, heart-pounding-as much as it hurts.

You just really woke up abruptly....experienced dreamers trying not to do that..))

[Леонид Сархошев]

.and BAM! because of podgolov bed grabbing me hands

Well pornovideo..)))
But some hands..this is a little experiences you can get on this garbage..you can even not pay attention. But still a wonderful experience..)
I mean it is possible to say that the real WTO..this is actually the game of death..)

trying to escape from the clutches to no avail..and Wake up lying on side, heart-pounding-as much as it hurts.

You just really woke up abruptly....experienced dreamers trying not to do that..))

yeah) it's the first time so ... when a dream repeats the reality..life was three times of the OS a long time ago in my childhood..and all the times ran to the girls)

[нева]

and all the times ran to the girls)

Girls..it is sacred!.) If you are able.. thought to interact with "girl"..there is a high probability of meeting in real life..)

[Леонид Сархошев]

.. If you can efficiently communicate with "girl"

the most interesting was waking up..but the fact that it's a dream fully realized..even shouted all around.guys this is a dream!!! everything is possible!)))

[нева]

Leonid Sargoshi
Of You are a good dreamer could happen..))
I mean.. if the hand you grabbed..that means there is data..)

[Леонид Сархошев]

Leonid Sargoshi
Of You are a good dreamer could happen..))
I mean.. if the hand you grabbed..that means there is data..)

if it hadn't been so frightened in that moment
just lie there and know exactly what I'm just lying,and there is enough for me..brrrr horror..

[нева]

Yes, if not so frightened at that moment

Just wasn't ready..not planned..spontaneously happen..
Your fear is the most natural and healthy reaction..)

[Дезигн]

Hello!

Yesterday I bought a device Stalker PRO, listened to the night light music and went to bed at 23-30, tossed with a mask on his head to 5-30, not one dream did not see, the flash worked a couple of times, the response time of 3-20 and 4-10. In the end, took off the mask to at least some sleep before work. Sit broken karyto ))

All dreams lately uncommon. Do not drink alcohol more than six months, eat right, play sports.

What to do ?

[к-13]

yesterday I Bought a device Stalker PRO, listened to the night light music and went to bed at 23-30, tossed with a mask on his head to 5-30, not one dream did not see, the flash worked a couple of times, the response time of 3-20 and 4-10. In the end, took off the mask to at least some sleep before work. Sit broken karyto ))

We had to do the opposite - sleep until 5-30 and then wear a mask and sleep on.

[Дезигн]

yesterday I Bought a device Stalker PRO, listened to the night light music and went to bed at 23-30, tossed with a mask on his head to 5-30, not one dream did not see, the flash worked a couple of times, the response time of 3-20 and 4-10. In the end, took off the mask to at least some sleep before work. Sit broken karyto ))

We had to do the opposite - sleep until 5-30 and then wear a mask and sleep on.

so if you are from a mask to wear, you can sleep till 7 in the morning and never Wake up

or you need to set your alarm ?

how usually do you tell ?

[ЛИЛИЯ-Р]

You can put the alarm at 4.30 or 5.30 Wake up quickly put on a mask and going to sleep. Then some sleep and a chance to get into OS more guaranteed. And at night the mask may shift, cost shift and generally sleep may never come. There's only headache will come instead of the OSA. And all day sleepy. Well, read the threads about the dream Stalker. According to other forums . Wasps on the many recommendations in the Internet.

[Ростислав]

in the last 10 days drank sodium thiosulfate at night - all night dreams like able OS!!! just need to learn to manage and forward

[к-13]

Rostislavone of the most simple and effective ways outlined in the workshop on grimstalker (this is extracts from the books of Laberge) collection and removal of individual signs of sleep.