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Post by Андрей Фомин » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:06

Doubt the fact that, according to the creators, special audio discs recorded sounds are not audible to the human ear. These drives are recommended to listen on a regular CD player. But the trouble is that the appliances are not producing sound, lying in a range that is not perceived by a human ear. They are audible-the range is not the whole reproduce. This applies as acoustic systems, and sound. :lol:

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Post by Dimas » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:38

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What particular sounds and frequencies in question?What sounds are not audible to the human ear?If You mean the frequency range below 20 Hz,we are talking about the frequency of sound, and binaural wave that occurs in the human brain due to the frequency difference applied to the ears.If in one ear and Lodge a frequency of 110 Hz and in the other 105 Hz,in the skull is formed binaural wave 5 Hz (potential difference, as it were) perceived as beating.She then leads the brain into the proper state.

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Re: doubt

Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Nov 15, 2007 14:44

Андрей Фомин wrote:doubt the fact that, according to the creators, special audio discs recorded sounds are not audible to the human ear. These drives are recommended to listen on a regular CD player. But the trouble is that the appliances are not producing sound, lying in a range that is not perceived by a human ear. They are audible-the range is not the whole reproduce. This applies as acoustic systems, and sound. :lol:
Although the audible range is 20Hz-20kHz, but the range only hear little kids (healthy) and some musicians. Already 20 years, this range narrows to 18kHz and this process continues further with age. For example, I have to regular zanyatiy disk space wanderer the upper limit was only 14kHz (about 35 years), and now - 18kHz (46л).
Interestingly, how we hear, affects your overall health and in our voice. According to research by the French otolaryngologist Alfred Tomatis we can reproduce the voice frequencies you can hear. The higher sounds that we can hear, the clearer our brain works, the greater our health and the longer it persists.

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Occult?

Post by Савл » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:48

Andrew, how do you think your CDs are of the occult?

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Re: Occult?

Post by Князевский » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:23

Савл wrote:Andrew, how do you think your CDs are of the occult?

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A difficult question. Depending on what you mean by the occult.
Actually, that setting goals when working with Explorer is addressed, according to Andrei Patrushev to the Supreme Being(God, the first Principle, etc.) may seem to us a mystery, and for Hindus - the norm of life and faith.
I'm also inclined to think that we are governed, something that is hard to understand, but it is possible to ask anything.
And the reason for the question? Are you afraid that the Disks Patrushev has sectarian Foundation? I don't think so. You should be prayer at the beginning of the Conductor worried?
It is not anything but good, as I understand it.

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Post by Dimas » Thu Dec 06, 2007 13:11

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Think not of the occult,most of psychotherapeutic... 8) :ap :wiz

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Re: Occult?

Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Dec 06, 2007 16:23

Савл wrote:Andrew, how do you think your CDs are of the occult?

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I believe that my discs psikhofiziologii. :)
The occult I do not welcome (to put it mildly).
Even in his relationship to God I manage to be a materialist... :roll:

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Post by Алиса » Wed Feb 06, 2008 17:19

[size=18]something no doubt have not had here... And this twig is alive?
If so, please help the beginner to understand :roll: .
Somehow everything is easy to relate to his mind and direct her influence. And although I like the possibility of increasing the efficiency of the brain, etc., but:
Discuss system act on the BRAIN, and this will agree, on the important and unpaired! And how it effects safe?
Assume that when a session creates a Pro-level A. Patrushev, then you can rely on his professionalism. But relatively INDEPENDENT(!!!!!!!!) making sessions at home...
This begs the question: if the impact is efficient, not afraid of whether the authors methods for the consequences of what nawaat people without special knowledge, to put it mildly, and that under the action of THIS will happen to their brains?
Second question: as far as the impact of MM and audiostrobe-ROM can be universal? After all, everyone is different, for example, the emphasis in the configuration of the brain - some parts active, some passivity. And equalized, if not "distorted" if all the even more standard stimulation?
I beg you to answer. Without an answer to such important issues will not be able to make a decision, and so eager to the point of more from this ball of tangled in my head... :)
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Post by Pavel » Wed Feb 06, 2008 17:56

Alice, you will be the warps, if you decide to listen to a theta and beta disks disks bypassing the alpha drives. So you are guaranteed nightmares in dreams and nasty situations in life.

For this we need time to train yourself in the alpha mode and then you can move on to everything else - and then you are guaranteed peace of mind and positive process. :)

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Post by Аконит » Wed Feb 06, 2008 19:12

Paveland how do you know that have had training in alpha and you can move on? The lack of nightmares? :)

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Post by Pavel » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:01

Аконит wrote:Paveland how do you know that have had training in alpha and you can move on? The lack of nightmares? :)
exactly.

no nightmares at night and any negative situations during the day.

it took me six months - all individually for all of us.

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Post by Валдем » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:18

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Tell me is it possible to train using only alpha drives Patrushev (because there is no opportunity to buy a MM)?

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Post by Pavel » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:19

Алиса wrote:And how this exposure safe?
all right: look at the demos, he's a veteran in the matters of effects on the brain, he still lives, breathes and feels.
Алиса wrote:how exposure to MM and audiostrobe-ROM can be universal?
for each person, they are universal. Some people fall asleep from the CD "brain massage": it tones like other coffee, even better - the third from him gives me the heebie.

Many say that the CD "Northern lights" a very nice feeling - I have it did not cause. But a very pleasant feeling of relaxation I get from the CD "Island of Glass": even cars refuse to give me a buzz, what gives this disc.

All this only to prochustvovat for yourself. Many men, many States.

Total, they give all disks - improved relations with the surrounding world and people.

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Post by Pavel » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:30

Валдем wrote:Pavel
Tell me is it possible to train using only alpha drives Patrushev (because there is no opportunity to buy a MM)?
you can train and the same thing happens.

Only drives Andrew is so strong that at first listen is always a disagreement at all levels of your self with the surrounding world: simply to say - you start "rocking" in relations with the world and himself.

On cars change more easy to occur.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:31

Алиса wrote:[size=18]something no doubt have not had here... And this twig is alive?
If so, please help the beginner to understand :roll: .
Somehow everything is easy to relate to his mind and direct her influence. And although I like the possibility of increasing the efficiency of the brain, etc., but:
Discuss system act on the BRAIN, and this will agree, on the important and unpaired! And how it effects safe?
Assume that when a session creates a Pro-level A. Patrushev, then you can rely on his professionalism. But relatively INDEPENDENT(!!!!!!!!) making sessions at home...
This begs the question: if the impact is efficient, not afraid of whether the authors methods for the consequences of what nawaat people without special knowledge, to put it mildly, and that under the action of THIS will happen to their brains?
Second question: as far as the impact of MM and audiostrobe-ROM can be universal? After all, everyone is different, for example, the emphasis in the configuration of the brain - some parts active, some passivity. And equalized, if not "distorted" if all the even more standard stimulation?
I beg you to answer. Without an answer to such important issues will not be able to make a decision, and so eager to the point of more from this ball of tangled in my head... :)
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The impact of safe at the same how much it is safe to watch TV, and I would say even safer. :)
Homemade session is also safe in terms of what session if You do it wrong, you will get just a ball of flashing colorful kaleidoscopic images, and if correct, you get trenirvochny effect in the relevant range. As in any business, when creating sessions, it is necessary to clearly imagine the end result.
As already correctly wrote to You Paul, the Foundation for all other training is alpha training. Only with adequate (2-3 week) training with the alpha sessions (all sessions "r", session i2 session p2 - alternate), you can proceed to other trainings, but this will only affect efficiency and comfort. You can of course drive themselves to neurosis (predisposed people can even get hypertensive crisis) with the irrepressible use of the beta sessions, but here, you have to try fairly and completely ignore all the signals his body. Just as important, in this respect, set a comfortable brightness and volume.
As for universality, I think, Paul, You have responded adequately.<

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Post by Сан06 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:54

Set of 6 best audiostrobe discs It is from these 6 discs that I ordered (by the way, order shipped or not?)with what to begin? And that is no where described, where the alpha drives where the Beta drives and where Theta drives... There is at least some kind of instruction comes with it?
Thank you!

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Post by Алиса » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:52

A big thank you to Paul and Andrew Patrushev for answers! That asked clear... but the new incomprehensibility revealed :) About the sequence, about nightmares (!!! :shock: )
I think we should start in the process will become clearer... Maybe :) And most likely I will again pester with questions to the "elders" bc

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Post by Дух_темного_кристалла » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:02

If hemisync glasses and would really, it would be used actively in medicine or banned due to the similarity to drugs.
But how many times have I tried hemisync and different flashing light, nothing works. And you thought that the brain ordinary man is running at 2 percent?
It turns out that using hemisync, we create a vibration not only in the right parts of the brain, and not the fact that it's good.
Although I think it's more like a placebo.
And the prices. Prices on PDA even less like selling the cure for all diseases and such spiritual device telepaths for the development of telekinesis))
I do not want the products of this company nothing wrong, but the effectiveness of the device is very questionable.

About alpha, beta and other types of waves... bring to a TV magnet or cell phone. Here you hemisync in action. In nature nothing is random, and the fact that waves in the brain is chaotic - it is only at first glance. What to us seems harmonious to nature can be devastating(and often).
You are better in reality go into the woods, poslusajte sounds there. They are not digital, spontaneous and very harmonious, will come the peace of mind and ideas, and even then what is there in a price there) All for free, with "divine quality")

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:20

Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:If hemisync glasses and would really, it would be used actively in medicine or banned due to the similarity to drugs.
And they use very, very active. And I have to say, the farther the harder. :)
Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:But how many times have I tried hemisync and different flashing light, nothing works. And you thought that the brain ordinary man is running at 2 percent?
It turns out that using hemisync, we create a vibration not only in the right parts of the brain, and not the fact that it's good.
Although I think it's more like a placebo.
And the prices. Prices on PDA even less like selling the cure for all diseases and such spiritual device telepaths for the development of telekinesis))
I do not want the products of this company nothing wrong, but the effectiveness of the device is very questionable.
It's good that You think and that person loses that is not used... bi :)
Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:About alpha, beta and other types of waves... bring to a TV magnet or cell phone. Here you hemisync in action. In nature nothing is random, and the fact that waves in the brain is chaotic - it is only at first glance. What to us seems harmonious to nature can be devastating(and often).
No comments... :?
Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:You better in reality go into the woods, poslusajte sounds there. They are not digital, spontaneous and very harmonious, will come the peace of mind and ideas, and even then what is there in a price there) All for free, with "divine quality")
Duck it, we go. :) Not a hindrance...<

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Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:If hemisync glasses and would really, it would be used actively in medicine or banned due to the similarity to drugs.
But how many times have I tried hemisync and different flashing light, nothing works. And you thought that the brain ordinary man is running at 2 percent?
It turns out that using hemisync, we create a vibration not only in the right parts of the brain, and not the fact that it's good.
Although I think it's more like a placebo.
And the prices. Prices on PDA even less like selling the cure for all diseases and such spiritual device telepaths for the development of telekinesis))
I do not want the products of this company nothing wrong, but the effectiveness of the device is very questionable.

About alpha, beta and other types of waves... bring to a TV magnet or cell phone. Here you hemisync in action. In nature nothing is random, and the fact that waves in the brain is chaotic - it is only at first glance. What to us seems harmonious to nature can be devastating(and often).
You are better in reality go into the woods, poslusajte sounds there. They are not digital, spontaneous and very harmonious, will come the peace of mind and ideas, and even then what is there in a price there) All for free, with "divine quality")
Unfortunately, it is difficult to respond to Your post because You base your doubt on the doubt.
For example:
"In nature nothing is random, and the fact that waves in the brain is chaotic - it is only at first glance." - ie all the same, they add up in some non-random sequence? ie subject to (or create) a specific law? ie - harmony. ( maybe just Your concept of harmony is an invention of man.. is a mistake.. harmony is an invention of nature)
"What we think is harmonious to nature can be devastating(and often)." - contradicting yourself.. the lack of harmony is chaos.. but You write that "the fact that the waves in the brain is chaotic - it is only at first glance."
When it is written will be clear to a clear logical statements, then it will be possible to say anything.. At the moment in this text solid logical trap.. ( the denial of the same that he wrote himself )<

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Post by Guest » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:41

Дух_темного_кристалла wrote: About alpha, beta and other types of waves... bring to a TV magnet or cell phone. Here you hemisync in action.
You need to know the subject matter, and then we can discuss.
Waves of brain - a maximum of 40 Hz..
And cell phone? Do you know at what frequencies it works?
In addition - sometimes very useful to read additional literature on medicine.. in terms of EEG and so.
Otherwise, Your behavior in this situation is very similar to the behavior of a man who tries to put his "5 cents" in something that is not understood.

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Post by Дух_темного_кристалла » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:42

Thanks for the replies.

Cell cited as an example. Many of us have experienced the feeling that I'm gonna call, and do call) Resonance can occur when the frequency of the brain waves and cell phones, for example.

Are You sure the information about the brain, which is currently available to read? In medicine, much is not examined and often omitted the fact of psychosomatic disorders. Treat the body when you need to delve into the subconscious. But medicine has not clearly defined what it is.

About the waves... Radio waves are not only waves emitted by our brain. Heard about telluric radiation?

Mind machines are inherently digital, processing is discrete, like a ladder, if look at the wave in the same sound forge.

Instead of mind the car can advise the didgeridoo, the effect is much more profound, as there is active breathing and the sound resonance and resonance of the didgeridoo itself into the skull of the brain. For 5 minutes dodania into it, you really feel the action. Besides, you are in control of this resonance depending on your audience.

About the logic... any logic there antilogika, you can prove anything, not the fact that it is in practice true. There is Murphy's law that always works for words and evidence. Including for the fact that You and I wrote. And quantum physics, you know? The relationship of the observer so that the observer perceives. Mind machine can increase the production of endorphins, but the brain itself must be able to produce endorphins without external influence, so he's lazy)
Marijuana also increases the level of endorphins, for example. Chocolate increases the level of endorphins.

Harmony and chaos are merely words, it is subjective. Of course people like harmony, but this harmony is different, at different times and constantly changing.
There are contradictions, Yes. Do heads and tails different things, but the coin is one, and should mention and eagle and tails for understanding coins))

Would be better if I invented a device which will make the brain hundred percent, at the same time both hemispheres to engage in work.

It is not written by me should be taken seriously, who should he see something that I wrote here)
Thank you for your attention)<

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:42

Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:Instead of mind the car can advise the didgeridoo, the effect is much more profound, as there is active breathing and the sound resonance and resonance of the didgeridoo itself into the skull of the brain. For 5 minutes dodania into it, you really feel the action. Besides, you are in control of this resonance depending on your audience.
Quite a controversial statement, because the didgeridoo, the main frequency range lies up to 200 Hz, this means that it resonates directly with the internal organs, and I wouldn't call the sounds produced by this instrument, harmonious. That is, the effect becomes quite chaotic. By the way, musicians playing in the orchestra for instruments with low sound, more often than their colleagues develop various "professional" diseases.
Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:Mind machine can increase the production of endorphins, but the brain itself must be able to produce endorphins without external influence, so he's lazy)
Mindmachine unlike marijuana and chocolate may not directly increase the production of endorphins. The brain in this case he produces endorphins. It also happens as if You took a dumbbell and began to engage with them - not for the lazy. Lazy usually buy mindmachine, do with her three days, while sharp and new feeling, and then just put it on the shelf and only hotel guests sometimes show...
Дух_темного_кристалла wrote:would be Better if I invented a device which will make the brain hundred percent, at the same time both hemispheres to engage in work.
Sorry, but you are actually with the theme a little bit familiar? :? Or reading a couple of posts immediately rushed into a lengthy discourse? :)<

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Post by Евгений Кош » Sat Feb 09, 2008 13:21

Дух_темного_кристалла wrote: Would be better if I invented a device which will make the brain hundred percent, at the same time both hemispheres to engage in work.

It is not written by me should be taken seriously, who should he see something that I wrote here)
Thank you for your attention)
There is a suspicion that if a person natrenirovannosti to give even 30% of their brain capacity, the person - "you'll die"..
I think that the brain is very much inherent "for the future".. then what else is not compatible with the current level of development (perception) gives the body a shower. IMHO.

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