This forum destroys faith in God!

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Lift my eyelids, and select it!

Not to write here a lot of beeches, follow this link and read for yourself: http://otvet.mail.ru/question/32877822/

Regarding languages. Greek was at that time the international, and the language of scientists. Therefore the evangelists wrote the gospel in Greek. But this does not mean that there is no adequate way to translate from one language to another.
The above I quote, that the author of the gospel of John, although written in Greek, but thought in Aramaic. But if you need to quote it in Aramaic, please go the package and see for yourself http://ihtys.narod.ru/peshitta.pdf Sorry, do not speak Aramaic... But I hope that you enlighten me. By the way, h would paste the quote, but the technical capabilities of the forum do not allow, as it is not supported by the original spelling of Greek words.
However, if you would, Logician, would include logic that finally, and analyzed the passage (John. 18, 3-6), we'd come to the conclusion that answering "Me", Christ said not in Aramaic, and in Hebrew, and said it was YHWH (Yahweh-Heb, I Am-what I am-Russian., ego eimi - Greek). Otherwise, the soldiers prostrated themselves before the fishermen for no reason. And here is the quote in Greek: oun 3 o ioudas labwn thn speiran kai ek twn kai arcierewn | [ek] | ek | twn farisaiwn uphretas ercetai kai meta ekei kai fanwn lampadwn oplwn 4 ihsous oun ta panta eidws ercomena exhlqen ep auton kai legei autois tina zhteite 5 apekriqhsan nazwraion ton ihsoun autw legei autois egw eimi* eisthkei de kai ioudas o paradidous auton met autwn 6 ws oun eipen autois egw eimi aphlqon eis ta opisw kai epesan camai.

With a hangover you think so?

Firstly I don't drink. Secondly, the priests in the sermons use the parable about the shepherd and the sheep. This parable of Christ, so she is dear to Christians. Not like a parable - don't listen to, but not rewritten, because of this gospel.<

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And about the divine nature is all of your speculation, then everything on earth has a divine nature as created by God. And man...

Yes, the logic you don't really: everything created by God is divine only because They created. In fact, according to the laws of dialectics (and logic), what is created is limited, dependent on the Creator, but because God's creation is not God himself. If I do wood, say, a stool, then he will not become a man. And the difference between me and God, in this case, that I make out of wood, and God creates from nothing but His Word. By the way, in the Bible, Christ called this creative Word. Learn Premet from the source.

And your assertion that the Bible is not Scripture just because you don't want to, it is not quite logical. What the Bible is sacred, I told others, but I myself have seen, studying It and listening to your heart. It is faith, and it does not require confirmation, she and faith, the sacred right of every human being.

And anyway, where does the census?So usually tell people who want to offend.If you disgusting to communicate with me, I will not suffer. Unpleasant of course, but I can live with that. And the fact that Christ is not God, it is only your unsubstantiated opinion. Maybe you will be able to prove that Christ is not God? I strongly doubt it, many have tried, but no one came. It is still a matter of faith or unbelief. And with your prepeared to the building of logical structures for the refutation of the Christian faith is better not to take. Yuzayte MM, may be this will improve the ability to analyze and synthesize. And then inspiration will come and maybe then you'll see that I was wrong.

Don't like the Christian God - your right. It is not only rude on the air, because there are people who love Him. Respect for the opinion of the forum participants, or not read the rules when I regenisis?! Who are you, a Gnostic, or just an atheist? You have heard me say something insulting to these ideologies? So do about the same.

Diskutirovat don't want any more, because the emotional negative does not give you prisosalsya to the arguments, just blind denial. So, apparently, you should take a break.
Will be rude, I will contact a moderator.<

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not to write here a lot of beeches, follow this link and read for yourself: http://otvet.mail.ru/question/32877822/

from your own links

Jesus asked them: "whom do you seek? - They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said to them: it is I (ego eimi)...

Sorry, but in my brain it's not transformirovalsya neither Yahweh nor Jehovah. How to write the Greeks themselves, the word Jehovah?Because they write it. The old Testament in the Greek language exist.
It sounds like ego eimi?
Everything else is from the evil one...

And once you prove yourself right, the answer to my question like Jesus being Yahweh himself prayed, as he himself urged on the cross? Pure Circus!

Well, in John Chapter 8
With whom is Jesus speaking here? the scribes and the Pharisees. They themselves say:

we are Abraham's seed

The Seed Of Abraham. And remember Abraham had problems with the birth of children, before they helped him Yahweh, Jehovah. That's who their real father!

44 you are of Your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of lies.

And then continue to believe that Jesus=Yahweh-Jehovah of hosts?
Of course you tell me I'm all perverted and to understand we must not. But I'll tell you to your address the same! You rely on the opinion of the commentator, an authoritative for you, but I'm only going by what is written in the Bible.
In the same Bible it is written:

whatever I COMMAND You, STRICTLY DO it: thou shalt NOT ADD NOTHING TO THAT NOTHING DIMINISH FROM IT.

Where around the Bible, divorced many commentators, reading between the lines, beyond the writing on the paper and constantly sylosis each other!

However, if you would, Logician, would include logic that finally, and analyzed the passage (John. 18, 3-6), we'd come to the conclusion that answering "Me", Christ said not in Aramaic, and in Hebrew

Pure nonsense and your imagination. The fallacy of logic does not contain! Christians always strive to see beyond the legend? I've read that Jesus spoke Russian... There is such a point of view.<

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It sounds like ego eimi?

It would sound as if He spoke Greek. And then, no problem! He said,"I am." And what's the batch? And the guard from that terrible answer, "I'm Greek" fell on his face. Great!

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And once you prove yourself right, the answer to my question like Jesus being Yahweh himself prayed, as he himself urged on the cross? Pure Circus!

We must not forget that Christ is human too. In Jesus Christ two natures are connected, and humanly He looked to his Father.
But there is also His divine nature, of which He says:
Jn.13:19 I tell you about
it now before it's
happened to when
come to pass, you may believe that I
Things.(YHWH)
And because I told you that all of you will die in your sins. Yes, you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am."
(Jn.8:24)(YHWH)
28 Then Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of man, then you shall know that I am. I'm not doing anything on their own, but only say what My Father taught Me
(Jn.8:28)
58 Jesus replied, "assuredly, I say: before Abraham was, I am!" They took up stones to throw at Him
(Jn.8:58)
The fact of the matter is that it's not easy.

the Seed of Abraham. And remember Abraham had problems with the birth of children, before they helped him Yahweh, Jehovah. That's who their real father!

Had no children because his wife Sarah was sterile. Cured her God, and the children appeared.)) What's wrong?

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the Bible is sacred, I told others, but I myself have seen, studying It and listening to your heart. It is faith, and it does not require confirmation, she and faith, the sacred right of every human being.

And I, reading the Bible, convinced that it is a book of filth, a textbook of deceit, lies, deceit, betrayal, closely related to sex. Benefit how to capture values of other peoples, who themselves did not create, the houses that are built, gardens that are planted. And after the capture of the values of other peoples need these people to destroy! So teaches God Jehovah! To make a genocide! To destroy all, including zhenschin and children! True philanthropy! As many tears navorachivayutsya...
Here you shall not kill! Apparently non-Jews, do not kill, do not apply...
The Holy book, tell me about it...
I already wrote about the fact that this tutorial took advantage of comrade Stalin. Nedoshivina seminarista enough knowledge of the Bible, in order to destroy their fellow party members (with higher education) and to take power into their own hands. And to build a state which held fear. As the power of Jehovah over the Jews Safafa.

Maybe you will be able to prove that Christ is not God?

Fanatics is nothing to prove. They will still doldonit his own!

And with your prepeared to the building of logical structures for the refutation of the Christian faith is better not to take. Yuzayte MM, may be this will improve the ability to analyze and synthesize. And then inspiration will come and maybe then you'll see that I was wrong.

I will do without advisers. As with the reading of the Bible without commentators. Learn to think with your head and not to repeat the interpreters of the Bible.
With your logic abilities, what to do then? I wrote my opinion about "flock" and you decided that I offer to rewrite the gospel! Good logic. From In apples and uncle in Kiev! I thought that such a conclusion can be drawn except from the census. But if you're not drinking, then dealing with your mental abilities quite bad...
Oh... never offer to teach fish to swim... (continue saying I will not, again, perceive to your account)

Will be rude, I will contact a moderator.

And my mom will complain...ahh... <

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Yahweh in Greek ego eimi. That Am (I am).
He said in Hebrew, Yahweh.
It would not be logical to the Greek translator to leave Him the word "I" without translation in this verse.
And generally people are wiser when starting to read life between the lines... Razmisljati!

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I read the Bible, convinced that it is a book of filth, a textbook of deceit, lies, deceit, betrayal, closely related to sex. Benefit how to capture values of other peoples, who themselves did not create, the houses that are built, gardens that are planted. And after the capture of the values of other peoples need these people to destroy! So teaches God Jehovah! To make a genocide! To destroy all, including zhenschin and children! True philanthropy! As many tears navorachivayutsya...

As you read the story at all. There's the same thing! This is typical of people ( I mean, all sorts of abominations). And to understand the old Testament without the key, can not do, otherwise you see only what you wrote.

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I read the Bible, convinced that it is a book of filth, a textbook of deceit, lies, deceit, betrayal, closely related to sex. Benefit how to capture values of other peoples, who themselves did not create, the houses that are built, gardens that are planted. And after the capture of the values of other peoples need these people to destroy! So teaches God Jehovah! To make a genocide! To destroy all, including zhenschin and children! True philanthropy! As many tears navorachivayutsya...

As you read the story at all. There's the same thing! This is typical of people ( I mean, all sorts of abominations). And to understand the old Testament without the key, can not do, otherwise you see only what you wrote.

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Alex Skorodumovyour ability to read between the lines is great! So Makar, you can start showing that by saying "I" he spoke the name of bloody God of the Aztecs, Huitzilopochtli. And all fell down! The curtain!

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As you read the story at all. There's the same thing! This is typical of people ( I mean, all sorts of abominations). And to understand the old Testament without the key, can not do, otherwise you see only what you wrote.

Well, she and Historia. Science how to misquote and to distort the facts. Then that would tell people is typical of you, you are bad, you sin!
But very strange, all these abominations Ocicat to make God's chosen people, in the name of God! What other sin - God's chosen is not a sin.
But what about the key, you surely have noticed, without any interpretations and interpretations does not justify the reign of terror, hosted by God's chosen people against the people living in the occupied territories. Oh, your family would be on the ground, which looked after the God's chosen. How would you then sing about the special reading and the key?! Do you have children? And God's chosen people for their direct, explicit instructions from Jehovah of hosts. Not just to kill, but with the secret meaning that are available when reading from the key!
Thou shalt not kill, say, written in the Bible? However, if you can not but really want, you can! And women and children. Others, not chosen by God! And then to talk about a special, secret meaning of Scripture, turning over its pages righteous, chosen by ryukami that are stained with the blood of children and women! The secret is not available to everyone. A special meaning. Oh-Oh-Oh! Of course, how I understand you!

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Children have it.))
You're talking about Judaism, which is the exact opposite of Christianity. The system of double standards, for yourself and for everyone else.
By the time of Christ, Israel was almost lost, the real religious tradition, the leaders of the Jews taught about tsarstve, the domination of the Jews on earth as it is. And, when came the Messiah, meek and full of love and compassion, and not the formidable warrior, the majority of the Jews were disappointed. That is why they are especially anger shouted to Pilate "Crucify Him!".
And what we see now in world Jewry, only the logical continuation of the situation. If we talk about the old Testament religion, it ended when Jesus died on the cross and the temple veil was torn in two.
Now we are dealing with Judaism.
Some pripisivaem proishojdenie of Christianity to Judaism as just another sect. But Christianity is not identical to the Judaism! This is a slander another of the same adherents of Judaism.
Did you know that a condition of acceptance in the Jewish community has long had to say prelyudno blasphemy against Christ?! So Judaism is a consequence of falling away from the Truth.
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Judaism is the result of falling away from the Truth.

Opinion iudaei the opposite of yours. Who is right?

Christianity is not the same as Judaism!

Of course not identical. What is forbidden to the Christian, his religion permitted to a Jew. So they are multiplied in Christian countries.
But we digress. How is it that a bloody, angry God the father Jehovah of the Jews, suddenly became a good, meek Jesus? Where is the policy change by 90 degrees? A miracle the Lord has done nothing else! Tired of his fear to instill in people, love wanted. And he sent his Son to preach love. But love is strange. All is forgive, turn the cheek, not Nevis, etc. You e..ut, and you endure. God is patient and told us.
Obedient to the dying - that is the meaning of religion for Christians. Jesus willingly gave himself into the hands of the torturers, the execution of it. And this has set an example to the followers - to do so! In this course there is a great sense, the atoning sacrifice! So always sing Christians.
We'll do the same. Open in humility our doors to robbers, and teach our zhenschin humbly nagibatsya to make it easier for the rapists. Do give up value for the crooks. And God will judge all! And You yourself have no right! Vengeance is mine I will repay! But Then... After death... And be patient now... And what is the kosher tenet that all power is from God! (although the Bible, in plain text that is not written)
That heaven for rogues and parasites of all kinds, living for others! What surprised that across the planet thrive parasites, amassing untold wealth, and even blatantly state that they feed the people.
All right. At the bottom of humble Christians at the top of God's chosen Jews. Comfortable religion invented...<

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And what is the kosher tenet that all power is from God! (although the Bible, in plain text that is not written)

And Jesus said to them: all power is given Me in heaven and on earth. ( Matt.28:18 )

At the bottom of humble Christians at the top of God's chosen Jews. Comfortable religion invented...

And you where, Logik? Not "the bottom" for sure! But "top" does? Side (full sun)?

All: Why are you arguing? What?

do Not give what is Holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and, turning, rend you. (Matt.7:6)

Do you think Logic (:evil:) you need to pay?

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Saul
You learned by heart or writing a blog before frantically leaf through the Bible?

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How is it that a bloody, angry God the father Jehovah of the Jews, suddenly became a good, meek Jesus? Where is the policy change by 90 degrees? A miracle the Lord has done nothing else!

Drastic measures that God had made to Israel, for pochivshego Vethogo Testament, were disciplinary measures. If the son sticks his fingers in the socket despite the repeated prohibition of the father, the father with the purpose of security, son, you should flog the son to teach in the future. If the cancer resedit and depletes the body, it is cut (etched medicines, burned by radiation) to save the whole body. This I mean that God purified his people, which can take into their midst the Savior. The Covenant with Abraham and that was that God was giving Israel the promised land, on the condition that Israel remaining faithful to God, and then in his environment would be born the Savior of all people, the Israeli people will be great.
In fact, it turned out that the Covenant was repeatedly broken by the Israelites. Archaic consciousness requires for otstuplenie death. So thought the ancient people themselves, especially when it is not about the violation of trade obligations, and higher concepts. But every time it was on the punishment otstuplenie, was a righteous man who prayed for the salvation of the REMNANT faithful.

In the New Testament, we are talking not only about the atonement. In this way Paul spoke to the Romans, which prevailed among the legal consciousness. For us it is closer to the concept of Original sin as the primary inherited corruption of human nature. What is this?! When it is necessary, but do not want to do anything; or when we know that so cannot be done, and we still do, and other stuff. I.e., the mismatch of human estesa, about which Paul says, 15 I don't know what you are doing, or rather, I do what I hate.
16 And if I do what he does not want, then I agree with the law that it is good.
17 But really I'm not doing it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 Yes, I know that good does not live in me, in my sinful nature. The desire to perform righteous actions is always with me, but I don't do these things.
19 For I do not welcome, as I would have liked, but instead I do the very evil which I do not want to do.
20 And I do the same things that you would not want to do, but really it's not me doing it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 so I find then a law that when I would do good, evil rises.
22 by his Spirit I gleefully accept the law of God.
23 But I see that the law which governs my body, at war with the law, which takes my mind. The law which governs my body, the law of sin, and that law makes me its prisoner.
24 This is terrible! Who will rescue me from this body that brings me death?
25 God will save! Thanks be to Him through Jesus Christ our Lord! And here is the mind I myself serve the law of God, but the sinful nature I serve the law of sin.
(ROM.7:15-25)
Can go back the link:http://otrok-ua.ru/sections/art/show/be ... lovek.html

Now, turn 180 degrees no. And there is a restoration of the Law, and the conclusion of the New Testament based not on law but on love.

The words of Christ to turn the other cheek, belong to the human conscience. Those ukogo there is no conscience, held accountable by law. Remember how calm down said: "a Thief must be in jail!" And the only way!<

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Christ in His person was the first person who has won here the most inconsistent of human nature. But won due to the fact that there were present the Divine Word, the second Person of the blessed Trinity, God incarnate. 1 In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God.
(Jn.1:1)

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Alex Skorodumov
Thank you! Made me think...

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Nadaelo I practiced here. You Christians, though ssy in the eye, and all God's dew. You see what you trained to see. Any filth and muck is described in the Bible you always have an excuse. To back...to Back... to back... Always recognizing that black is white - that's your policy.

You can continue to serve their lunar cult of death.
Easter is always celebrated on the 15th day lunar months. During the full moon. That's why, the holiday falls is to be calculated. Therefore, it does not correspond to a fixed day of the solar calendar.
Therefore, the holiday is celebrated at night (the moon cult of death, what can you do). Full moon (in the legends and myths of all peoples the full moon - the time when the most active evil spirits) you are engaged in ritual cannibalism, devouring (symbolically) the body of their God and drinking it with his own blood. You and emblema - dying in the throes of a man crucified on the cross. Have you ever thought about whom you serve?
But I think you and it will not confuse. You and then excuse you can find!

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Can continue to serve their lunar cult of death.
Easter is always celebrated on the 15th day of the lunar month. During the full moon. That's why, the holiday falls is to be calculated. Therefore, it does not correspond to a fixed day of the solar calendar.
Therefore, the holiday is celebrated at night (the moon cult of death, what can you do). Full moon (in the legends and myths of all peoples the full moon - the time when the most active evil spirits) you are engaged in ritual cannibalism, devouring (symbolically) the body of their God and drinking it with his own blood. You and emblema - dying in the throes of a man crucified on the cross. Have you ever thought about whom you serve?
But I think you and it will not confuse. You and then excuse you can find!
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Pewww part of your passage is generally omitted, because in addition to gloomy aggression don't see. Survive, as said already.

Easter - the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, Who Himself is the door to eternal life! It's a glorious celebration of Life! Not a cult of death. The most striking blindness, and evil prosto! Think, and read the original Sources! But not all Vedic pseudoscientific opuses.

Because in addition to anger and insults, nothing constructive in your post do not see with you any more did not discuss.

Good luck in search of truth.

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do not feed the Troll.he hesitates to describe(to be able to conduct a reasoned debate) of who he is.only now,according to him everything is visible.all people are visiting the development.someone can not master the higher mathematics,is someone available Faith...and some just can't read.and read Logik if he can,to understand what they read-no way.such persons, in all forums, without exception, aktiviziruyutsya at Christmas,Easter and other Great Feasts.they perform the rituals of their faiths.about those who believe our Lord said,"your father-the devil."

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and for those who understand that Mr. Logik lies,you can explain:

2.12. What is Easter?

In the Christian world, Easter (and the days immediately before it) is a celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus in (approximately) 30-year.

2.12.1. When is Easter? (the short answer)

Easter Sunday is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

2.12.2. When is Easter? (detailed answer)

The calculation of Easter is complicated, because it is associated with the Jewish calendar (the imprecise version).

Jesus was crucified immediately before the Jewish Passover - celebrating the Exodus from Egypt under Moses. The celebration of Easter began in the 14th or 15th day of the spring month of Nisan. The Jewish month begins with the new moon, so the 14th or the 15th day should immediately follow the full moon.

It was therefore decided to make Easter Sunday the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. Or rather, Easter Sunday is the first Sunday after the "official" full moon during or after the "official" vernal equinox.

The official spring equinox always falls on March 21.

The official full moon may differ from the actual full moon by one or two days.

(Note, however, that in some countries in some periods for calculating Easter used the real (astronomical) full moon. For example, in the German Protestant States, which used the astronomical full moon in the years 1700-1776. So did Sweden in 1740-1844 years and in Denmark in 1700-ies.)

Easter full moon is called the Paschal full moon. Two concepts play an important role when calculating the Paschal full moon: the Golden number and Epact. They are described in the following sections.

The following sections provide a detailed description of calculating the date of Easter. However, it should be noted that when used the Julian calendar for determining the date of Easter was usually used for tables, not calculations. The calculation of Easter in the Julian calendar described in the following sections, however, the reader should understand that this is an attempt to Express in formulas what was originally expressed in tables. These formula is good enough to determine the date of Easter in the Western Church since about the 6th century.

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Of course they lie, and how! Only Christians are telling the truth. Everybody else is lying. On account of the trolls, who would say. And just here is not a Christian forum. I did not come here screaming about the Jewish God.
I am very lazy to spend time on hard-nosed Christians. They excuse anyway nyduty they Have thousands of interpreters and opravdyvaet the Bible.
For those who are accustomed to think with your head I will write more:

Jesus Christ had a few "twins destiny", also born exactly on December 25. But that's not all! It turned out that some of these "twins" also was PAC-five, and also all as one, rose! Some also in 3 days! For example, here are the instances:
1. Mountains, Egypt, 3000 BC-Born Dec 25 of the ISIS-Virgo. When he was born, lit up the star in the East, which 3 kings found the place of the Savior's birth. At age 12 he taught the children of the rich. At the age of 30 received the spirit of dedication from a man named after the Ana. He had 12 disciples with whom he performed miracles – healed and went on in de. It was called the Truth, the Light, the Son of God, the Shepherd, the lamb of God, etc. betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried, and after 3 days was resurrected.
2. Attis, Phrygia, 1200 BC Born of the virgin Nana on December 25. Crucified, rose 3 days later.
3. Mithra, Persia, 1200 BC Born of a virgin on December 25. He had 12 disciples. Worked wonders. After death he was buried and after 3 days was resurrected. It was called truth, the Light... a Day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.
4. Krishna, India, 900 BC Born of the virgin Devaki. The parish was designated by the star in the East. Performed miracles with his disciples. After the death of rose.
5. Dionysus, Greece 500 BC Born of a virgin on December 25. Traveled and performed miracles such as turning water into wine. It was called the King of Kings, the alpha and omega, etc. epithets. After the death of rose.

I think Christians and this will see a confirmation of the truth of their religion.

Your lunar cult roams from country to country, under different names, without changing its inner content,the essence of which - the lunar cult of death.<

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do not feed the Troll.he hesitates to describe(to be able to conduct a reasoned debate) of who he is.only now,according to him everything is visible.all people are visiting the development.someone can not master the higher mathematics,is someone available Faith...and some just can't read.and read Logik if he can,to understand what they read-no way.such persons, in all forums, without exception, aktiviziruyutsya at Christmas,Easter and other Great Feasts.they perform the rituals of their faiths.about those who believe our Lord said,"your father-the devil."

Of course, I activated on Christmas day, with a sore head, but a healthy.You Christians really black and white beguiled? I've been here a year, and you registered a month before the new year. And who is the Troll? You are a Christian Troll. Intensified just in time for Christmas your God. Only it is not a religious forum.
And I live here. And it is not nice neighborhood with militant Christians. And that your father is the devil, I do not doubt.

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How people celebrate Easter

http://www.1-sovetnik.com/books/All/Megre-dol-2.html