1. The period of adaptation.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sat Nov 07, 2015 0:04

Hello, Oles.
Glasses make lessons more effective. It is training - if there is no desire to work, a mind-machine useless. A couple of sessions per month will do nothing, and to work out regularly, only every tenth owner of the device, the strength will find. And that usually raids.
Савская wrote:Each session, somewhere in the middle there is a feeling of slight compression of the bridge of the nose, as if someone was wearing my glasses. But it does not cause discomfort, perhaps even the opposite. Refers to those sensations which are interesting to watch.
Try the volume halve. When the body begins to relax, hearing sensitivity increases - what initially seemed to be comfortable and becomes excessive, it interferes with normal relax facial muscles.
Савская wrote:liked the ocean with its whales, and it was interesting to hear where there is no music.
From this we can conclude that the recommendations You read attentively...
Савская wrote:Can I listen to these files more often than three times a day? The buzz is such that you do not want to disconnect sometimes)
It is not recommended. You can prestimulation to. With discomfort and temporary immunity to external frequencies.
Савская wrote:And yet, we times a week to arrange a holiday with alcohol - it could affect the participation in the project as a whole?
Tapriza? Necessarily affect...

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Денис Николаевич » Wed Nov 11, 2015 22:08

I congratulate all the participants of the forum!!!ripe for the next stage of training,the adaptation period was given a very not easy,the first 21 days do not as I couldn't relax,then after two weeks of rest beginning get on the track with the ocean and whales.after следующие21 day of school noticed improved mood and well-being,sleep became deeper and switched to early sleep and early Wake up before the alarm,so the time spent not little but most importantly there are benefits,even listened to the CDs and alpha Patrushev Jeffrey Thompson-cool thing in my opinion,relaxing quickly and deeply.Ready to work!

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 22:37

Hello, Denis N.. As You podgadat with his message)))
Sent the files.
Moved drool anger of a former participant of the workshop "discussion".

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Савская » Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:39

к-13 wrote:Hello, Olesya.
Glasses make lessons more effective. It is training - if there is no desire to work, a mind-machine useless. A couple of sessions per month will do nothing, and to work out regularly, only every tenth owner of the device, the strength will find. And that usually raids..
I don't know why you call it work. In my opinion it is a nice time.
I certainly do not feel that all is lost the body, but lost parts of it when focusing on them. Maybe you need to learn to see all of it?
And your dispute with the party was interesting)
I thought I used to your classes, I was sometimes feeling that my body became something huge, and something I'm quite small and are not even in my head, as usual.
And here's another - I started to dream. Almost every night. Not to say that all of them are pleasant, but I have not seen dreams.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:25

Савская wrote:
к-13 wrote:Hello, Olesya.
Glasses make lessons more effective. It is training - if there is no desire to work, a mind-machine useless. A couple of sessions per month will do nothing, and to work out regularly, only every tenth owner of the device, the strength will find. And that usually raids..
I don't know why you call it work. In my opinion it is a nice time.
In the first place this work on a regular studies with no gaps. However, I am glad that for You the question is so)))
I certainly do not feel that all is lost the body, but lost parts of it when focusing on them. Maybe you need to learn to see all of it?
In principle, for anchoring a resource state that is sufficient for the deeper and more intense States You can return later on your own - who evaluated the results periodically repeats the necessary steps. So you can move on to the second stage.
And your dispute with the party was interesting)
Yes, there was a dispute - I was trying to convey to the person that reading one popular book does not make him a specialist in some area, he tried to prove that he's the smartest and everyone else is liars. In a dispute born truth, or at least the General opinion, and when it is just two parallel monologues - everyone was talking about her to himself, just at the same time))) I had a desire to ignore Intrusive treatment (was not the slightest doubt that in the end it was going to end), but in this case I wouldn't have the inner confidence that I did it in vain - and so at least I tried to give the person a chance not to narrow your horizons to someone else's point of view...
I thought I used to your classes, I was sometimes feeling that my body became something huge, and something I'm quite small and are not even in my head, as usual.
It's almost all there, just a lot of attention to it do not pay. Psychologists advise such moments use to look at yourself and the situation from the third position - that is, as if from outside - patterns of brain activity as times optimal, and the sense of self at the time. Abstract from itself in some far corner trying to overlook the whole situation. Very useful indeed - you can learn a lot about yourself,others and life in General...
And here's another - I started to dream. Almost every night. Not to say that all of them are pleasant, but I have not seen dreams.
Every person dreams every phase of paradoxical sleep (REM sleep phase, the REM, that is, every hour and a half sleep time - so the brain processes the accumulated experience of sorts arrived in the last day information on the important, is secondary and excess, laying on the shelves of memory and clearing the "RAM" to receive new information), just not many people remember it. Listening to these files accumulate alpha waves in the brain, they are enhanced and the natural state in which they are manifested, become more vivid and long-lasting - that is, in the morning You jump out of bed (going from theta and Delta jerk once in beta) and walk, emerging as a zombie (slowly displacing the brain of low frequency beta), and pass the increased brain waves gradually - gradually and more naturally, through alpha, and have time to scroll seen dreams, transferring the memory of them in the Wake.<

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Евгений Е » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:06

In the second report.Studied for 14 days.If the speaker used at once,to the points had longer to get used to.still don't understand ,prevent light to relax or not.Do three times a day,according to the instructions.The body cease to feel, when after 2-3 minutes ,sometimes 5 minutes goes.I think it depends on the initial condition of the body,if there is arousal it need more time.But the thought if gone only for a few seconds.but then again, the chaos in my head.And thoughts can jump about anything.Continue adaptation.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 14:10

Евгений Е wrote:in the Second report.Studied for 14 days.If the speaker used at once,to the points had longer to get used to.still don't understand ,prevent light to relax or not.Do three times a day,according to the instructions.The body cease to feel, when after 2-3 minutes ,sometimes 5 minutes goes.I think it depends on the initial condition of the body,if there is arousal it need more time.But the thought if gone only for a few seconds.but then again, the chaos in my head.And thoughts can jump about anything.Continue adaptation.
Try before the start of the session to bring the body to the desired listening condition - few minutes to breathe deeply, smoothly and slowly, with pauses on exhale and inhale, preferably sitting in a comfortable position with your eyes closed, with eyes to the ceiling (it is possible that this is enough to obtain the effect comparable to that session, if under closed eyelids to provide flash -this means that You are doing everything right and can move on). Thoughts can and do not disappear, they must go to the positive plane at least, but better to concentrate not on them but on the body or breath.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Евгений Е » Thu Nov 12, 2015 15:38

Thanks,I'll keep working.Another five to seven days for the adaptation period

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Дариша » Wed Nov 18, 2015 0:33

Hello, Roman. Thank you for sending the files (given that the first workshop I failed :oops: ). Carefully read the beginning of the topic, and realized that would have to be postponed for a week beginning of training - just yesterday, I listened to the disc A. Patrushev through MM. To begin, be sure to report back in the topic ))

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Евгений Е » Thu Nov 19, 2015 14:22

It took 21 days.Relaxation has become full,the body almost do not feel.Thoughts during class as something malleable.A couple of times during class attracted waves of heat.I think ready to move on.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 14:28

Евгений Е wrote:I Think ready to move on.
I also - if you want, then do catch up to the ideal)))

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Дариша » Mon Dec 07, 2015 14:05

It took 2 weeks of practice with the files of "Adaptation". Pre-made break in 1 week, and then began to listen to files by the user. Bb file.mp3 I have never opened, for some reason an unsupported format. Of the other than others like like whales, storm and rain. Listen to half-sitting, twice a day. Fell asleep not once, but perfectly relaxing. Thoughts manages to stop just not for long, try not to focus on it. That's all the achievements ))

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by вакуум » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:14

Good afternoon, began the training session first impressions are very comfortable,was a little distracted by noises in addition to recorded sounds of nature initially thought it was the neighbors so scratching but then I realized that it is in the record and to interfere to divert stopped, then as if what we feel "a" is located at the head of it moved forward in the stereo image failed te like the feeling when the image is coming at you and like a few in this dissolve, some time this condition lasted for then the body began to feel stronger but very relaxed and osutils education in the center of the head and chest which as you move the session began to dissolve

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Post by Татиана » Mon Dec 14, 2015 20:40

Roman, good day!
The stage adaptation of two weeks. The sounds of nature, as he tried to adapt to them, cause a strong resistance. Discomfort like birds with their sharp claws can injure the brain. Experimented with the intensity of the sound helps a little.
Session with pure sounds are built from and lead to deep relaxation. Ocean - the most "important" for my session. The feeling of the absence of the body under complete control of consciousness.
You must overcome the bird's singing, or can we move on?

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Post by к-13 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 21:14

Татиана wrote:Roman, good day!
The stage adaptation of two weeks. The sounds of nature, as he tried to adapt to them, cause a strong resistance. Discomfort like birds with their sharp claws can injure the brain. Experimented with the intensity of the sound helps a little.
Session with pure sounds are built from and lead to deep relaxation. Ocean - the most "important" for my session. The feeling of the absence of the body under complete control of consciousness.
You must overcome the bird's singing, or can we move on?
Hello, Tatiana.

Most likely You have some kind of personal reaction to birds (or high-frequency auditory range, whistling, creaking or squeaking - you never know what You have in the past connected with it - if you are going to do next, this problem will emerge and You will be able to solve it. Then. If you want to.). For our purposes, the current results enough. The files you sent.

PS: I Notice now where is Your message? I, of course, not difficult to transfer the posts from the topic in the subject, but try to write in the right place, not in the subject line write :wink:

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Романз » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:37

Roman. Good evening. Listen to the sounds of nature just 3 days. Started dreaming about stuff, previously rarely remembered dreams. Still morale was stolid, a little depressed. Let's see how it goes.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:48

Романз wrote:Started dreaming about stuff, previously rarely remembered dreams.
She had You dreamed about, You just don't remember her. Just in awakening your alpha and the process is safer - dreams to remember easier. That dream stuff is a red flag. Read this post?
Yet the morale was stolid, a little depressed.
More relaxed - this is normal. But depression is something You had not wanted to see - just now, all unresolved issues will climb to the surface without solving them, or at least the awareness is difficult to achieve a full alpha state.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by вакуум » Mon Dec 21, 2015 14:08

Have with the 13.12 came clearly more relaxed state in everyday life, easy phlegm, slightly under water. Before the session make the square breath well prepared and need to head right to lay, with the sessions after a while, "atleta" nice condition indeed resembles a little drunk or when they go to the bottom to complete the exhale, very nice to sleep and not failed , not once noticed how the session ended went to pleasant thoughts-head in the clouds,consciousness separate from the body , breathing becomes easy with the complete ie the belly and chest, Breasts become easier to be filled, leaving the inner clamps sometimes experience cramps on the old injuries,sometimes ticklish, nostrils, cheeks inside the skin, however this does not affect the tranquility of consciousness but are very tickled watching this.Time partially lost .Session better to go 5.6,12 rain, storm,11 did not start, the worst third and whales. Became sound and points set to minimum.Birds not much but annoying to listen harder, longer rest maybe the birds that may well fix the points where it begins and ends with running in a circle the main piece of the recording

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Шанти » Tue Dec 22, 2015 22:35

Good evening.He was doing 14 days .The first 5 days without glasses, on the sixth day, wearing her glasses. Doing 3 times a day. Relaxation is always different,sometimes more,sometimes less.The first session of the hands, the legs twisted,then the whole body began to relax and fly away,you're on the border between sleep and wakefulness. After class, the condition resembled the slight intoxication. 11 session did not work,listening to the forest Oracle was in suspense flies are not allowed to relax,and all other liked.
In General has become more calmer.Ready to work on,only one question *you can take a break before starting the second round(will travel home by car).

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 23:03

A pause of 15 days, if necessary. After 15 days of classes. After the break, it is better to continue to listen to any files of that stage, then gradually to pass to the second.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ИринаЕ » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:44

Do a week. The body relaxes very well, sometimes I have the feeling that like a little more , and "out of it", I don't know how to describe it in words, just a very intense feeling in my chest. Do not fall asleep. But a lot of thoughts in my head, and all sorts of everyday, without any touch of pleasantness.
When I was doing Yoga Nidrei, so the body is similar as in the practice, but his thoughts differently, there was a dotted line, floated-sank here just thinking and all. Does this mean that it is not enough to relax?

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:13

ИринаЕ wrote:Do a week. The body relaxes very well, sometimes I have the feeling that like a little more , and "out of it", I don't know how to describe it in words, just a very intense feeling in my chest. Do not fall asleep. But a lot of thoughts in my head, and all sorts of everyday, without any touch of pleasantness.
When I was doing Yoga Nidrei, so the body is similar as in the practice, but his thoughts differently, there was a dotted line, floated-sank here just thinking and all. Does this mean that it is not enough to relax?
This means that You are too attached to makepatch. Try to step back from him as if from outside to watch. In Nidre (if we are talking about some practices) a dotted line appears from the fact that there dive is due to the voice instructions which makepatch and knock. Then we want to learn how to manipulate resource state through external stimulation and natural processes. Just keep doing with the files - if for aggressive thinking there is no objective reasons, then all should calm down - for the purpose of the workshop is the best option...

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ИринаЕ » Mon Feb 01, 2016 18:44

Was able to just calmly be Makepeace. The body does not feel the full relaxation. Are all the time conscious thoughts flow. From files with sounds of nature more cuts in a dream. Files without the bugged nature in full consciousness. Effects - better sleep basically, and can be a little calmer, but here it is not sure for hundred percent. Is it possible to move to the next stage of the workshop?

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Post by к-13 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 19:40

Irenesent files.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Веверис » Fri Feb 19, 2016 0:44

Report of the 1st week. Listen to twice in the evening and morning. Tablet + high-quality headphones, no MM, no points.
14.02 19:30 birds 2; +/-. REM, hollow
Qualitatively relax did not work, otvleksya on external noise. Noise was quick, but generally calm 2 (screenshots) and the positivity condition C + in the first half to the second.
feelings:
the movement of the eye (somewhere in the middle of listening);
the indentation of the eye sockets;
the head was a little roll to the side.
CORRECTION moved the wire at a later time, the noise did not interfere; sitting position was replaced by a bed

15.02. 7:30 breeze 3; -/+
Extraneous thoughts were not concentrating on the sounds, pozitivnost present. The apparent relaxation of the body could not be reached, this 3.
After the wiretapping fell asleep for an hour. Day condition of awake.

16.02 00:30 ocean 3; -/+; REM, twitching; tingling
Positive state achieved during the second half of this -/+
Sensations: warmth in the hands (to me at bedtime) but still, plus in the middle with a twitch (as in kittens in deep sleep). After the wiretapping was observed by a heightened perception and a loop (the reason was volume). After the audition fell asleep immediately.
The CORRECTION reduced the volume on subsequent listenings

16.02 7:30 forest 4; +/+; frames and flashes, twitching, blinking consciousness
Feel good jerking of the limbs in the middle; the flashing of consciousness (feeling, that the mind quickly rebooted, this happened, happens and if not a long sleep). The relaxation came a warm wave, especially when there was some subsidence in the composition. Short light flashes, images from childhood (both for me usually indicates a good relaxation), I remembered a snatch of sleep, which was before the wire. Overall positive, but 4 at relaxation, as in the morning to listen to the kind of strange and felt the alertness in the body.
Day see positive effect it -- more balanced and energetic.

16.02 22:30 rain 5; +/+; warmth and heaviness; the flashing
Strong, quality relaxation, warmth and heaviness in the legs.
Positivity of misletoe and at the beginning and at the end. Again felt clearly as it is already slowly blinked consciousness, then bright inner perception in a warm flood, at the end of some meditation (associated with the song) almost fell asleep, but as soon as the sound ended, immediately came out from the stream which ran in a dream.
The composition said to myself -- I liked that the rain waves and managed in this wave to get.
As I went to bed early and relaxed got up in the night at 2:00 with the feeling that slept, went back to bed around 4:00, but in the end, see below, interrupted sleep at night.

17.02 7:10 thunderstorm drowsiness; -/-; disturbance of deep sleep
Barely awake, the music of the entire session in a dream and back, which brought chaos in mysliborice, recovered day.

17.02 22:20 woodland 4; -/+~(to sleep)
Generally positive (and relaxed, and consciousness), but good to relax and stay in a positive alpha is perceived to be disturbed: disturbed sleep the night before, and haggard (full empty stomach with lunch at the med. purposes); the state was closer to sleep.

18.02 06:10 rain 4; ~+/+~ visual effects
A good relaxation. In the middle of short visual images, frames memories, light flashes. But the state closer to the dream.

An interim assessment after 8 sessions: in General see a positive effect positivity in the mind when the wire is noticeable (VD I usually don't bother straining more drained, a little session put things in the order plan), the day more energetic and focused.<

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