Noopendant II. The library programs. Reviews. Discussion.

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And maybe all the way around - happiness in collaboration ))) Now imagine that the man was on a desert island, and he has everything. And what..

Did you need to submit? In my opinion, most of the people having it "all" or almost all today are on a desert island) Each in its.

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And maybe all the way around - happiness in collaboration )))

))) very catchy, this phrase. And I'd love to be so as it is written. But it is some sort of ideal concept of the world and this probably will not happen. Striving for it..., Yes it is possible. But is it possible? For example, a husband and wife interact in the course of quarrels and fights, interact frequently, closely and long. Where is the intricate happiness? And what is this substance, how it manifests itself in interaction to the two ends of wire exchange. Often in society one gets, the other gives. Someone more, someone less.

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And what is this substance, how it manifests itself in interaction to the two ends of wire exchange. Often in society one gets, the other gives. Someone more, someone less.

HeavenYou very accurately identified what is simple and easy to memorize (understand) like a game of "win-win"..
ie games are lose - lose.. just tamasine, ignorant, like, "let me be bad but he will get my revenge"..
there are win-lose (basic now, as you can see) - that is, let me (us) will be, take away, wrest, competition, etc.
and finally - the perfect and highest option (although in fact just normal)) - win-win,
when all is well and when both sides of this "responsibly concerned") ideally, this way of thinking and lifestyle.

Here another parable comes to mind about big pots of food and a long spoon (that's not gonna feed himself))

Also in this regard, it is interesting to consider the concept of speaker for Hubbard (which are higher than 1st-2nd)

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very catchy this phrase. And I'd love to be so as it is written. But it is some sort of ideal concept of the world and this probably will not happen.

Well, why not. All in the question of the perception of quality of interaction and the reasons someone perceives and understands and is able to generate and quenching causes/effects, and also to send to the vector of interactions is quite an interesting game. Well, someone can't, he's a follower and this dissatisfied. But who is it to blame something. Become leading in all situations and immerse yourself in the trillions of unexplored combinations - will immediately become brighter.

Of course not all interactions are equally high quality, but if you imagine that for example tomorrow the husband will not or wife, and perhaps will not be compared to this, the rest irrelevant? Well, let's say there is no second, no interaction, what is better then... Here is a very simple logical conclusion: interaction is better for their absence (see the example about a desert island, not figuratively, but literally). And realizing this is a great opportunity to communicate with people who constantly win some and lose others - all interactions become perfect, even losing. Interaction like chess, if you do not attach importance, significance and pathos. Chess is only half smart and half intuitive (chess perception and interpretation)

Or you can look well in your life nothing but interactions. Your life is their sum, the result. Not to love or not to take the incident of the interaction means does not make the result that is current. This is with regard to any past, even seconds ago. By analogy, you can think about the future and the present in the same section.

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Oh, and regarding "is it possible" - "do what you gotta do come what may" (C)
In my not yet known to anyone materials) is presented in the form "man always one". That is, if you wait it from others, and if did what everyone would do (wait - thinking that "one man is no man") no (global) change for the better never it does not occur. You just systematically) to realize "ideals", without looking at anyone.

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Also in this regard, it is interesting to consider the concept of a speaker for Hubbard (which are higher than 1st-2nd)

Hubbard is a psychologist who understood how to manage people (quite easy arranged mentally) and founded the sect of Scientologists. Looks like it is in material form approximately http://nz1.ru/interesting/24411-shtab-k ... oride.html

That is, man broke away at full speed, not like the local magicians who created their own illusion, introduced it to millions of weak minds, took them billions of real money, kicks, plays, stebetsya, laughs in your face and enjoy the power... a Real magician, in General... Like Mavrodi and such... And you some its dynamics are studied. Tell me the steps to move it is necessary )))

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passingdid not expect from You.. Like, if I understand correctly, You are unlike other mortals, "mentally complicated" but I don't know any useful source, "some of the forces in the opposite direction," trying to denigrate (and usually successfully). Like with Osho was, which by the way has taught me once to separate "flies from cutlets", as its principle "the Moon and the finger." The Church Sainte - totally agree with you - sect. Only now her long raiders captured the (simplified) and it would be necessary to divide.

Believe fairy tales.. and I prefer to "judge them by their fruits" (as taught by another great teacher, who also flunked every.. despite a lot bezuslovno useful that he gave). So, these fruits find their way into many other areas. In General, I am engaged in "synthesis", and here for example what I know by Hubbard, now find everywhere. Even not going to go card Chronos, as I understand it, cuts off the so-called "charges".. which I found out precisely owing Hubbard.

Yes, even Castaneda, that Michael is not the first time is not recommended and which I also initially many did not like and in General has always pushed, even there we all podcherpnuli a lot of useful information. The concept of "internal dialogue", the concept of "perfection", stalking, recapitulation, death-reminder and MB. still missed something.

If you say "it's already happened" - that it is likely. Just as a sort of "promoter" will tell You that it is, in fact, even needed job periodically.. to present "old" in a new form.. to invest in a new form "known" - according to the current mentality, slang, realities, time, etc. But most importantly - because of satskheneti, dust, ocherednost, etc. That is old for many does not work - even close to him are not allowed.. for "pattern full" (ready bias from "well-wishers") .. - and by "new sauce" the same thing you see, and prachaniwet..<

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You are unlike other mortals, "mentally complicated"

all of similar construction and is simple to a disgrace ))) Me too easy to manipulate, knowing what levers to press. Easy to counter, easy to avoid, easy to make friend and so on... It's like psychological judo...

As for example, Osho was, which by the way has taught me once to separate "flies from cutlets", as its principle "the Moon and the finger"

Osho - one MAG-Steben. He never wrote any books, all you read is just good Samaritans under the advertised brand trying to tell you something believer in Osho, to instruct on the right path... And he arranged Osho ashrams, they massive orgies (heap of testimony from participants), his fans gave him the limo if I am not mistaken the 93 pieces, he took only such machines, besilis with fat. In half of the countries the entry of Osho was banned, but his cause lives on to this day.

In General, Osho also broke away on all cylinders. For example, one quote:

All sad, all envy, all told that the "rolls-Royce" is incompatible with spirituality. And I do not see any contradiction! I can meditate in the cabin of the "rolls Royce"... to be Honest, in the cart to meditate much more difficult, so the "rolls Royce" provide accelerated spiritual growth.

that's right, it turns out, and you're talking about the moon and a finger... Osho you to the moon shows, and the finger you do not look - there is space for new diamond rings there )))

Overall, not saying you're a believer or follower of something there... all people can take something useful and necessary, do not argue... Just one level - to quote and to read the phony authority who have mastered the OS, but on another level, to teach myself and invent my own quotes ))

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Just one level of quoting and read the phony authority who have mastered the OS, but on another level, to teach myself and invent my own quotes ))

So about the same speech! To teach myself. Overriding the authority of personal experience.
What I'm suggesting to You to filter all sorts of stories about limousines and orgies, offices of the Royal, etc. to Take the old and check for yourself.
Quote personal (and generally missing), You have not noticed, maybe passing "passing") (I am )
So, in the limo he sat there or in the cart - deep secondary is a property of the "the finger" pointing to the moon (!).
The moon is important. No matter, give me answers that I need a sleek little man in a white tuxedo or a dirty bum..
Main - point.

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So, in the limo he sat there or in the cart - the second deep

just not again ))) Dude directly showed what all of these beliefs, religions, teachings, magic and other belief in intelligent words and quotes other... Just enrichment. Well, playing chess in the game session one hundred million and receive pleasure from the most luxury per se, but it's completely identical from the 93 rolls-Royces. It's like collecting model cars, enjoying the collection that I've gathered.

And check yourself you offer me that... the office of the Scientologists? Photos are not enough, as many sources? And that's just one office out of hundreds around the world. Or check out the many photos of all limousines in a row? Numerous testimonies of participants of the orgies? The ban on the entry of Osho half of the countries in the world? But to me, these facts do not seem so questionable, how the moon and the finger, as the original manipulation of the psyche )))

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You have accurately identified what is simple and easy to memorize (understand) like a game of "win-win"..
ie games are lose - lose.. just tamasine, ignorant, like, "let me be bad but he will get my revenge"..
there are win-lose (basic now, as you can see) - that is, let me (us) will be, take away, wrest, competition, etc.
and finally - the perfect and highest option (although in fact just normal)) - win-win,
when all is well and when both sides of this "responsibly concerned") ideally, this way of thinking and lifestyle.

Oh, and regarding "is it possible" - "do that should and come what may" (C)
In my not yet known to anyone materials) is presented in the form of "Warrior in the field is always the same". That is, if you expect this from others and if everyone will do so (wait - thinking that "one man is no man") no (global) changes for the better will never come. You just systematically) to realize "ideals", without looking at anyone.

the forum is a magical place .. ))does not sit constantly and when I go the topic is relevant ,as if my inner world to himself says and read what missed anything important for himself is not missed .
after inclusion of 13 of monads , the elimination of software dependency and protection in the inner circle entrepreneur is the loneliness felt ..
not abstract ,specific and made it myself .almost all who spoke have become boring and unnecessary .broke most of the interactions and the only one left.first thought-a past stage .I read your message and realized that he himself was surrounded by people on the principle of win-lose ,but to win himself ))
no interaction was so necessary ,and win. you can interact with is equal !a peer can also decide to..win ..for me..such is the risk!
donors we are currently looking for ,not partners ..but finding a donor is getting bored ..<

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passinghere no offense, but You and I regarding these sources really like the fly with the bee.. Well 100%.. By me were all these limos, with its palaces, or rather, I had them filtered just. And took something really useful. Osho once changed my life, gave a lot of useful understanding, right brain on many points.. until You looked at the pictures with the limo.. in Other words, "seduced" and "lost".

And by the way, brother radanovoif I don't oschibaetes concept win-win also came to mind.. And she is, incidentally, brilliant in its simplicity - any of the writings of Hubbard went out, either from the Free Zone, they, so to say, inspired. Again, if I'm not mistaken. but it seems there.

And with truths of a different kind/caliber is such a thing - if you were able to grasp, and it is already absolutely unimportant, what was their way to you.
Throw to consider other people's palaces) Judge by fruits, not by their looks)

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Scientology is the new religion of the rich,mechanisms of influence ,deserve study and experiment .The teaching style of writing does not belong to the thought process of man,the doctrine was written over a connection .

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reltheoretically liking
almost at the training room to try and the courage to implement
and yet her courage didn't feel it .that bothers (distrust ?past experience ?fear ?).been thinking to plug the black hole of Atlanta and the law of the inverse sine for easy relationships ,play life
or eh ..just to Keep contact !
had the experience a severe bounce when he decided to кулоне2 cut all at once and now ostorozhnoy ..

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have in passing another strategy -the illusion of deception

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Scientology the new religion of the rich,mechanisms of influence ,deserve study and experiment .The teaching style of writing does not belong to the thought process of man,the doctrine was written over a connection .

Not to be confused with the Free zone))))There are ordinary people, and the Church Scientology are not. And method there really working .nowhere and no one, no one should.

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All in question in the perception of the quality of interaction and the reasons someone perceives and understands and is able to generate and quenching causes/effects, and also to send to the vector of interactions is quite an interesting game. Well, someone can't, he's a follower and this dissatisfied.

In passing, You are right about the perception of the qualities of interaction)) May now study the opposite direction of the moon, but from what I see and feel there is no point in running (although desirable). And I really want to understand can be happy and satisfied with life in a never-ending stream of broth, so to speak if he can achieve pure happiness from daily, uncontrollable interactions with those who surround him, as from the process of life. When you do not know what will throw your opponent what move will do or what will turn out?! And let it be happiness such a pure interaction. Or happiness is to interact, interact as the action, that is, to manage, to steer, to play, to lead, to be ahead of apponenta. Then it is , in my opinion, a very different happiness. And it is even more loneliness gives. Why that seems so....(

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And realizing this is a great opportunity to communicate with people who constantly win some and lose others - all interactions become perfect, even losing. Interaction like chess, if you do not attach importance, significance and pathos

))beautiful analogy - chess...I Think our whole life is a CHECKMATE, only manage to Dodge.

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And I really want to understand can be happy and satisfied with life in a never-ending stream of broth, so to speak if he can achieve pure happiness from daily, uncontrollable interactions with those who surround him, as from the process of life.

this is achievable physiologically and psychologically when a person reaches a point of inner balance. And before that fluctuates back and forth, eventually knocking out this point less and less. That is, the response can be attained, how emotional equilibrium when draws emotions influence mental and balance - well, when you realize that all that is to happen (has happened and will happen) by itself and for itself - it's all right. Whatever the Buddha said, the cause of suffering is desire. Doesn't mean that we should abandon desires at once, locking them, on the contrary it is necessary to saturate and to feel spiritual emptiness. To understand that they do not matter...

Just to rethinking of desire as yourself fall off and there are other priorities, such as the happiness you get from that happy someone. Changing the polarity from absorption to emission, from "give me what I want" to "do you want? I want to give you this."

Of course right fully so to always be in equilibrium - this is not, still talking to people are induced, but over time less and less they affect your own stable. And perhaps there is a state when nothing at all it will not be affected.

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Or happiness is to interact, interact as the action, that is, to manage, to steer, to play, to lead, to be ahead of apponenta.

well I described, not quite correctly. described manipulations - they're just interesting in terms of studying other people, preferably without harm to them. Such manipulations are interesting to strengthen his psyche, for example, said something unpleasant man - he responds, you keep the balance. Not kept - yet weak mentally.

In General, the real happiness is to feel needed or something. When there's no need - that's the worst mentally, especially if you want to be the right particular person, and does... And the more needed, the more in demand (which is reflected in your action for the other) - the more happiness. That is, happiness lies in giving, the more - the more and happiness. Until I came to this understanding. And from this position it is happy in principle, all or at least has a neutral color.

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Twisted tails,that's right,you have indicated your attitude towards them,the second phase ,give them the opportunity to make a mistake in the workflow,let them make destructive in the process,let them,

Guest, today on the program, the Titan power is very much onto something live a sense of guilt and loneliness. Usually so much I have not seen, and here is a direct shot away, suddenly not escape, not hide. Rather what emerged simultaneously with some inner determination, but then blocked her. You Titanium like that is clearly evident and what to expect from him? Thank you)

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this is achievable physiologically and psychologically when a person reaches a point of inner balance. And before that fluctuates back and forth, eventually knocking out this point less and less

In passing, thank you)) it's very encouraging. And Your humane attitude towards the subject to take-to give. Because it seems to me that to give is as Above, to which you can aspire to just to comprehend the whole happiness. It is very difficult to combine the processes to give - to take in the workplace and the system head-performer But you may want to look at the interaction as a game with moves, with loss figures (if necessary), but as a game, to learn something, to come to the only happiness from simple interactions) something like that) thanks again

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very much felt what live a sense of guilt and loneliness.

but loneliness... It's knurl is inevitable... It's so subconscious is worried that it does not need anyone. And that it was not worried - just need the mind to think of how it would be more interesting to get actively involved in a particular process as a master process.

And waves and bouts of sadness and loneliness rolled - when a person begins to affect the stomach (enteric nervous system) and working with the unconscious. First there is a lot of unsatisfied that you want just to review, periodotite, reconfigure, re-perceive. And, you can do so if the attack of sadness or loneliness - the mind, the consciousness to go to your stomach or even around the whole body and mentally say, "I love you, my dear, you're not alone, we are together" mixed with love to his subconscious part.

it is very Difficult to combine the processes to give - to take in the workplace and the system head-performer But you may want to look at the interaction as a game with moves, with loss figures (if necessary), but as a game, to learn something, to come to the only happiness from simple interactions)

By the way, perhaps both leads to full realization. Chess as a treat for the brain, consciousness. Returns - as a treat in the emotional sphere, for the subconscious (the female is generally to be familiar with automatically probably - what I'm saying). In General, the main thing that in the body all parts were happy ))

Generally, if you take the desires (not compulsory, but of course, naturally) and end up in some void, from which, too, alone can roll. Here it is to fill only find a way to return. To think, for example, an interesting tour for their own or the neighborhood children to come up with different gifts, to help it to someone, even just a stranger if he needs to, and so on...<

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Heaven

the Titan on the power very much moved onto some live a sense of guilt and loneliness

Take what you have ,on the opposite side will have the opposite it is a fair certainty,the fame of which will not allow to be alone,the time will come and you will feel that it can be used.Work with the guilt,be aware of cutoff.
I also had something similar,his attitude showing a sense of humor,I think the Creator has a very big sense of humor.Just as useful exercises first ,for example,hold the genitals.)))

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You Have a Titan as it is clearly manifested and what to expect from him? Thank you)

My Titan makes people draw attention to themselves.
Work through accumulation ,the model is taken from outer space,and uncover his forgotten,but mostly the external environment gives a great instrumental,it's close,it's those who what they like .