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Post by Dimas » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:11

Carilo
Honestly...once directly to Bronnikova are not very good,seen him in interviews.I read on some forum correspondence "coaches" with the skeptics,which I have a sneaking suspicion the absolute inadequacy of mental and illiteracy of these people...although anything can happen...here's a video Mark Komissarov http://mkomissarov.ru/video/mark-present-april-2008
it is also interesting.
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Well, suggestion is Nevolina it's like they say...everyone has their opinion and EXPERIENCE/LACK thereof. This skepticism because there is nothing like an option "...an installation, the presence of dominant..."
And access mashariki prefer water in a paper plate that night was standing on the Svetlitsa-super and not the one that was just on the floor at the other end of the kitchen.

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Post by фома » Tue Jun 16, 2009 19:27

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Гость wrote:Carilo
Bronnikov has long been exposed and the video is full , the scrap look ...

here's an article from the fallen website
Quote:
[ Area O. Bender ]
When the blind see...
The denial of everything - among other things cool and energy efficient sewn!
:ay

But just stop the development of... :?
can the denial of everything and has a cool and effective energy protection and stop the development.. But here is the unofficial denial and contrived everything just also have protection plus the path to development instead of marking time , when starting from ancient Egypt to the count of Cagliostro all practice and practice and practice movement zero :?

p. S. the adoption of all is marking time and denial trampling are on the right track ......... why train technique for far-fetched and far-fetched phenomena in the study ?

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Post by Guest » Tue Jun 16, 2009 19:49

Карил wrote: spoke with the students at the school, talk on forums, including one Amateur. How many can say I wouldn't have to deal with the system without reason.

Seeing the children researched at this time scientists, not journalists. Changing their bandages, and they stopped to see... for a while, then rebuilt a vision again and seen through an opaque blindfold. Also wore them instead of bandage zinc bucket, through which children are unable to see.

Concluded that hypersensitivity of view, able to catch a few rays of light still passing through the blindfold. And based on the pouring out of light quanta, the brain draws a picture.

For me even this conclusion is sufficient to deal with this system. The disappearance of seasonal acute respiratory disease, energy (i.e. vigor), victory over, folk, lively, and vivid imagination - is this enough?
all right ............. if the given facts are true !!!!!!!!

could you give me links where confirmed or described similar experiences ?
to believe LJ adherents it is not rewarding ... their words are in no way confirmed and not worth anything and whether the fact of the phenomenon about it would be a lot written and discussed .........
dosih not paid a million dollars for a 100% fact of the phenomenon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by соник » Tue Jun 16, 2009 20:32

Suiseki
Certainly an interesting question , as I understand, you mean the effect of the skin.All this is with[SPAM]. Here neobhodima the purity of the experiment. Kostandov have read that similar experiments were carried out with Rosa Kuleshova. At first, scientists were puzzled, then saw through her tricks. Clean water is a hoax. Although I do not exclude the possibility that our skin can distinguish different colors. But again here we need independent, objective research. Too many frauds with this phenomenon. It is difficult to separate what is true and what is false.
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If this phenomenon occurs in 90-100% of cases, it is interesting, if in a smaller number of cases, it's all due to the normal statistics and nothing more.

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Post by Карил » Wed Jun 17, 2009 0:35

Dimas wrote:Carilo
Honestly...once directly to Bronnikova are not very good,seen him in interviews.I read on some forum correspondence "coaches" with the skeptics,which I have a sneaking suspicion the absolute inadequacy of mental and illiteracy of these people...although anything can happen...here's a video Mark Komissarov http://mkomissarov.ru/video/mark-present-april-2008
it is also interesting.
You got me completely confused... :( I Komisarova read the positive reviews, but understand the topic much worse than about Bronnikov. This is a negative. On the same page, there were positive reviews. I don't know anything.
You'd rather go to a seminar to Mark, spent$ 500 for 5 days, 2 hours, returned b from there with no results, and then acting smart. Except for children up to 12 years, I have not seen anyone who has b Stamp after the workshops there were some real ability. I personally know at least 20 people who did a similar adventure on my wallet and I have a great Grade in the seminar.
His whole methodology is just doing the above exercises, without any system. Sometimes it gives minor effect. If you sit and take a very active practice in their implementation, the effect is exactly the same. The great guru of the Commissioners, but still for the money it does not need.
As for the kids - they just can. after 15 minutes of practice the results are almost any. Again, for that the Commissioners absolutely necessary.
So is the game worth the candle, let everyone decide for himself.
Bronnikov - too not an angel, and mark it on the case Hayot, but the good of his seminars disproportionately (at least for adults)
But I know that paying 18 sput. I physically can't. You can pochopit, but as I understand the exercises at Komisarova also pair and again came... where I will be companions to look damn...

And what about the Bronnikov some results what are. Sometimes work is pretty intense. Raise the thread from the spine in the head - exercise surge. Shake "bell" virtual hands, and then when the hands raise with them "flows". In addition from the bell hot and almost sweating. In the amount of exercises stimulate, in the mind of fresher. And that I actually want.

What for me is the vision through the blindfold... I have a color (or even any) imagination to develop I would be happy much more. :) That's just so without any preparations, he closed his eyes and went virtual scenes to drive. But if the managed type of the promised bio-computer Bronnikov so generally high.


PY.Sy.
By the way where the results of measurements of GRF after the fits. Time passed is not enough. That does not spread?<

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Post by суисеки » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:09

The point is General, that is not which unusual phenomena and extraordinary ability we want to or to prove. You need to go the way of Spiritual development and how this will be the way in which school or system a person chooses, they just like different bus routes from point a to point B.

Developing your soul, maintaining the proper level of your energy, person provides the conditions for a continually healthy body and further develops consciousness to the perception of reality has expanded.

Imagine a newborn in the den of the wolf...
It is born blind... he has no muscles on his legs... He needs to grow and develop... a long way to Go. But the development has already started and according to the Law of Nature. The essence of his development that he started to crawl and hunt... He crawls and stumbles upon something warm, something wet... something tasty... Or delicious? Got to try... this is something He feels warm and his nose... it feels fragile senses... it seems that it is... and it seems that no... And so, - "it seems there appears to be no" - he begins to suck milk from the nipples of his mother... Tell me, what books or talking can replace IT?!

Time will pass and the cub will start to see... Some spots... But what is it? Is it worth spending your effort and staring into the darkness? Need to nourish, need to grow -- Just grow and wait. And one day everything will come by itself, its natural way. If the silly little cub suddenly got the eyes of an adult wolf, he is just a face split! Because the eye is more than the eye... It's a bunch of bundles of nerves running from the eye to the little immature brain, which will die from being unprepared for such untimely information and alien, not age and not at the time acquired physiological tissues... and just no room in the small skull for all this new, foreign, adult instruments and apparatus... no, No... the face will crack!

The cub should just keep sucking... And one day he will get stronger... One day he first timidly crawl out of the den after the mother, who will oversee his first steps... And then... then we know what happens. We are not the first, not we last. Yesterday the cub turns into an adult wolf and it has been so for millions of years...

So is everything in nature, including Spiritual development.
When your little Being starts to grow, the same story happens. Feed it it, cherish it, develop it... If you suddenly see some spots, some dots and a vague movement... never mind... When will a real release, there will be no stupid questions - what was it? Why isn't anyone able to explain?

So, nothing had happened! Not hurry to consider themselves unique and grown up... There is yet nothing that can leave the body. If it was a glitch, whether it was a splash of some defective part of the energy-informational structure? What's the difference... If you discuss and think about IT, wasting your time and energy - here we're talking about the second (and most common) way is Spiritual Masturbation. (C) Nazarov.<

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Post by Guest » Wed Jun 17, 2009 13:58

suiseki
funny it all , your comparison is a little wolf and man correctly !!!

1 vovchenka rigid program !!! and that is reasonable powerful selection over millions of years ... such a scheme Bronnikova will seek the truth, too, millions of years ... since they come from a concocted and contrived .... a man replaces the millions of years of blind-pointing and too much for the analysis and the denial of deadlocks ...

you too much of millions of options ? like a blind little wolf ?

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Post by суисеки » Wed Jun 17, 2009 14:06

Гость wrote:of suiseki
funny it all , your comparison is a little wolf and man correctly !!!

1 vovchenka rigid program !!! and that is reasonable powerful selection over millions of years ... such a scheme Bronnikova will seek the truth, too, millions of years ... since they come from a concocted and contrived .... a man replaces the millions of years of blind-pointing and too much for the analysis and the denial of deadlocks ...

you too much of millions of options ? like a blind little wolf ?

Really funny :-)
Everyone will see in the text something of their own, but not everyone will understand ;-)

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Post by суисеки » Wed Jun 17, 2009 14:09

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what practice do You do ?

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Post by Guest » Wed Jun 17, 2009 20:55

suiseki
if we accept your theory of wolf that anyone it happens in nature, everything, including Spiritual development.
:)

only I often correct practice of blind vovchenka ... t to remember not only sees the spot and is the rigid framework of the program and its path is actually predetermined for me, the negation of nonsense is also a way of predestination .......

although if you want the result not just of interest you can simply play in the development and a new path .... for example, in Tolkien and in magic , even no result , but interesting :)

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Post by Карил » Wed Jun 17, 2009 23:08

suiseki
About a little wolf...
I don't like the idea to let their development to chance. That is not to set themselves goals, and to live by the laws of the pack. If all wear ties, then I should. If everyone decided to become adults and began to smoke, it is impossible to keep up with the team. If the mother wolf tells you what to do and what are the cubs to be friends? And if dad on the farm on a tractor plowing and me at the call of nature or what there? Or... what if I had the desire all my life to lie buried in the warm side of the female and suck... beer? Well, I so nature has programmed, I am not guilty. Or... maybe I don't care about, all around the Fuckers, and I'm cool Zhigan and dad I also have a wolf-felon. And so on...

And yet it is possible for life to crawl, to walk-to live near a bar, piano, pencil, books with poems; but to walk past. It is not necessary to touch if the muscles are weak, and the brain is not developed, God forbid crack. Because the rod is heavy, and the piano playing does not work. About the fact that most people pencil as the fire scared do not say anything. It turns out that despite the intellect is able to come up with the theory of relativity or the body is able to raise the rod and set records, most people zanimatsya that goes to work, in the evenings, watching TV with a beer, and on weekends goes to the skewers... And the development it will come, because nature has. Oh well, sex, sex, sex, how could I forget... the Loot, food and sex.

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 0:06

Carilo
what do you think of this development ?
the disease also develops ...
piano development ? because I need to learn ?
and drink beer and go to barbecues and to create a happy family is not the Acme of development and that spiritual ?
and to swing the rod over the years and nevidet friends to spend time with them on the barbecue development ?
and why do the development ?

from the very beginning we need development that would defeat an opponent or nature and when development be for development to the detriment of family , friends then why do it ? it is a disease ... like yoga for 40 years sitting in caves and everything in order to sit under water for the extra 10 minutes ?

it is my stupidity when substitute values into development and forget why it was originally and how to have passion to develop again as a dad on the farm on a tractor plowing and me at the call of nature or what there ? and your passion to develop from there - the program of nature and survival and all ...

the inability to see the beer and the tractor happiness is the wretchedness and Vice versa development is the ability to develop to see clearly and not to change of life human happiness to a meaningless development ... or happiness is not a person and schizoid or compulsive gambler ... who will one day envy the simple Plowman eating kebabs at the weekend, a leisurely conversation in a circle of close ... than stupidly repeating OHMS OHMS and swing toli toli rod pendulum ... te on his plow ... stupid work not having fish weekends :?

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Post by Алексей C » Thu Jun 18, 2009 0:24

Гость wrote:from the very beginning we need development that would defeat an opponent or nature and when development be for development to the detriment of family , friends then why do it ? it is a disease ... like yoga for 40 years sitting in caves and everything in order to sit under water for the extra 10 minutes ?
it's not yoga and fakirs.....yoga first learn myself and then the world in General.Is it bad to know yourself?Not necessarily to go to the hermit,it is necessary to develop not at the expense of others...to Understand yourself,you will start a different attitude to others and not what loss and speech can not go...Just need to blend in the spiritual development physical(including the same communication,skewers, etc.).

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 0:46

Alexey Semenov
Almost agree , some learn about the brain and the other body , others entertainment , and essentially everything is exactly the get-togethers with beer ... when everything is always under control and we are together right ...
at least that's what we do genetically ... but if you knock the program then the main thing that one thing ... but this is essentially the same as beer ... only adepts think that they are steeper and development :) what ? what is the advantage ?
rather in the sense of the features , chosen , not of the herd ... and if the herd is you !!!! t e family , people .... but no ... we have kudato break ? this is a common law of drive of the young , in order nemeshalo parents :? and building their own worlds with beer and family and friends ...

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Post by суисеки » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:21

Carilo

So it is not about that... certainly don't need to chance and need a good mentor :-)

Speech, in General, that engaging in a practice of spiritual development, no need to prove anything to anyone, and most to dwell on their achievements... Improving and developing yourself, surely You will change and life around you. You will begin to receive glimpses of something new, something that will see something they never saw before, you will be unclear, you have questions, You will begin to try to find an explanation. So here it is not necessary in General to draw attention, while only the position of "observer", think of it like side effects :-)no need to try to understand this subtle world of the psyche and the nervous system can not survive (or face to crack :-)), you need to methodically develop further.

That's about what it was :-)

Harmony in ourselves, harmony in family, harmony in society, love of self, love of people and constant development, that's what's important :-)



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I totally agree :-)

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:46

suiseki
you have an incredible substitution of meanings ...
development and the development of strife ?
blind poking in practice and the mentor can lead a cult !!! and your advice no need to try to understand this subtle world of the psyche and the nervous system can not survive (or face to crack a Smile), you need to methodically develop further. doubtful ... and that is what the mentors teach the sects on questions of followers and why it is necessary to leave family , parents, etc ... and tell them that you just haven't illuminated by the development , wait and it will come ... and really , people can be reprogrammed and become Chikatilo even though Kai from the snow Queen , which is traded on the geometry of icicles on prizemoney and undeveloped life with family and a boring life !!!!

your advice is contrary to the result ... like if it warps do not pay attention ... get used and new love ... but sometimes a new or Chikatilo Kai !!!

and what do you think of the development ...

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Post by суисеки » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:01

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everyone chooses his own way :-)
Гость wrote:and what is your development ...
Criteria of man's spiritual development is the improvement of material well-being, his harmonious life in society, his health... and only after that something else... ;-)

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:31

Can I also get real clever... :oops:
The methodology is a joke: "a Horse has evolved to its own body"... :?
Suppose there is a purpose (tselepolaganie product) and proven (technology prescription) achieve... the Man begins to move toward the goal and on the way meets obstacles (gap). A normal person compares their actions with a method that finds the differences (the gap of the first kind), adjusts its actions in accordance with the method and thus bypasses most of the obstacles. But here he encountered an obstacle that cannot be overcome through reconciliation and adjustments (discontinuity of the second kind). Then he starts thinking - what in his head prevents him from moving toward the goal? If he manages to find it and correct, then this is the development... :D
Even methodologists like to say: "Activity without purpose is a crime"... :wink:

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Andrei Patrushev
interesting ...
t e if the logic that even the pursuit and promotion of the brow to suicide as the goal , taking obstacles as the instinct of self-preservation , there is also a development !!!

but the desire for suicide, not wanting to commit ... undeveloped ? t e, if not to the purpose not the development and if the purpose is development ?

and the people at the household level, on the contrary, a priori, consider the purpose of family , beer , and etc ...
and the path to him - the development of ... and who breaks the stereotypes of the poor !!!

that is the main question for the usual stereotypes what is considered a goal and what degradation ... people can be anyone , even a schizoid robot though ... that swing the pendulum just out of principle that does everything ... what, then, development as a point ? it turns out all that separates you from others and makes it weaker ? cruelty , power , vision brain ? or that more interesting than it was ? wasps , narccap , the feeling of a winner ?

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Post by суисеки » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:59

Андрей Патрушев wrote:More methodologists like to say: "Activity without purpose is a crime"... Wink
Good phrase... the Goal should be always specific enough.
From small to large. Especially at the beginning of what practices, well or activities.

I got the gist of Your explanation (though it seemed tricky at first :oops: ), You are right and it is development.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jun 18, 2009 13:10

Anonymous wrote:Andrei Patrushev
interesting ...
t e if the logic that even the pursuit and promotion of the brow to suicide as the goal , taking obstacles as the instinct of self-preservation , there is also a development !!!

but the desire for suicide, not wanting to commit ... undeveloped ? t e, if not to the purpose not the development and if the purpose is development ?

and the people at the household level, on the contrary, a priori, consider the purpose of family , beer , and etc ...
and the path to him - the development of ... and who breaks the stereotypes of the poor !!!

that is the main question for the usual stereotypes what is considered a goal and what degradation ... people can be anyone , even a schizoid robot though ... that swing the pendulum just out of principle that does everything ... what, then, development as a point ? it turns out all that separates you from others and makes it weaker ? cruelty , power , vision brain ? or that more interesting than it was ? wasps , narccap , the feeling of a winner ?
The subject is complex and, perhaps, inexhaustible... :roll:
You can, for example, to wonder - what is goal setting? Desire=goal-setting??? :shock:
Do you set goals people meet primary needs (procreation, pleasure, etc.)? az
The methodologists also have a popular expression: "to Set goals only according to the situation - the lot of cattle"... 8)

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 13:16

suiseki
is it possible, then, to call the development of a suicide from that small desire for suicide came to be more and done it ?
the Goal should always be specific enough.
From small to large. Especially at the beginning of what practices, well or activities.


is the definition not just of development and what to choose brow ... the desire from smaller to larger or ........ ? t e development the simplest definition of gain to the target and the DEVELOPMENT of ... ?

here you have written Criteria of human spiritual development is the improvement of material well-being, his harmonious life in society, his health... and only after that something else... I'd call that a maximum adaptation to the world to determine which can be in comfort ?
how, then, sailor ? the martyrs of the faith ? going into battle with fear and discomfort for their ideals ? there's comfort there ! and in society they are not harmonious and the material does not roll and no health added !!!!!!!!!!!
:roll:

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 13:21

Andrei Patrushev
interesting ...
type vovchenka ...
Yes, the theme is inexhaustible ... when you live, everything seems clear and thought ... kind of hesitated and why you're exactly the person a century of society and away we go and why to love the Motherland and the mother .... te pragmatist comes to life and appears a cynic ? and goal ? new ? or use it sewn into bestial instincts ? after all, they have a PURPOSE ? otherwise, to condemn Chikatilo pointless ... it should just destroy it ... but he is right ... he is different ... he chose to develop his passion is separation from the crowd ? or on the contrary a victory over passion by force of will ban the development ?

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Post by суисеки » Thu Jun 18, 2009 13:24

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With such a mood do not sell the elephant :-))))

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 18, 2009 13:29

suiseki
this Razvitie :?

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