this scheme I liked more - it has specifics.к-13 wrote:- relaxation (alpha 10 Hertz – base frequency of the Silva method)
anchoring the red color (the color of sunlight with the eyes closed), look askance under closed eyelids, thumb, index and middle fingers together, on account of the exhalations with the representation of digits from three to one, and the mantra "alpha". Upon waking and just before falling asleep also activate the anchors for fastening.
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And who prevents to use it? Or is required to pour water from a sieve, and 10 to tell it again? In General, I would prefer that the parties themselves have chosen the anchor, but did not use a template. After all, everyone will know what the participants anchor on that stand, and it's a very good loophole for manipulation. Is it so difficult to choose something individual? The list is truly endless then...Энди wrote:this scheme I liked more - it has specifics.к-13 wrote:- relaxation (alpha 10 Hertz – base frequency of the Silva method)
anchoring the red color (the color of sunlight with the eyes closed), look askance under closed eyelids, thumb, index and middle fingers together, on account of the exhalations with the representation of digits from three to one, and the mantra "alpha". Upon waking and just before falling asleep also activate the anchors for fastening.
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I hesitate to even ask... "to Breathe in an unusual way" is definitely "breathe deeply"? I personally know dozens of breathing patterns, of which only a couple is "normal".Энди wrote:If I no longer appreciate the theta state than alpha, is it worth spending such valuable anchor as deep breathing alpha?к-13 wrote:start to breathe in an unusual way
How to adjust the breath:
- It can be breast(when breathing lifted his chest, rib muscles work, oxygen is absorbed mainly from the upper third of the lungs) diaphragm (swells the belly, working the muscles of the diaphragm and the press, the more oxygen is absorbed the lower third of the lungs) and combined (therefore work and ribs and diaphragm, the oxygen goes all over the inner surface of the lungs).
- Can vary the duration of inhalation and exhalation - uniform (inhalation is equal to exhalation), with forced inhalation (exhalation longer than inhalation is the breath of speakers, singers, musicians with wind instruments, fans to blow balloons... it also refers to the "sobbing breath") and slow breaths(sneeze, blow out the flame of a candle...)
- May vary by the presence of pauses: written formula inhale/pause/exhale/pause, for example, square breathing (1/1/1/1 is the breath=the pause with full lungs=breath=the pause with empty lungs, for of relaxed wakefulness is well suited), triangular (1/1/1/0 or 1/0/1/1) or connected (generally without a pause - 1/0/1/0).
- Also can vary duration of pauses classical pranayama, for example, is recorded by the formula 1/4/2/0, each account for 6 beats and more
- Breathing may be deep (lungs fill up more than half of volume) and surface (less than a third of lung capacity is filled).
- Can be fast (the period is much shorter than in the relaxed state), slow (like yoga, when you slow down other processes in the body) and normal. In classical yoga, for example, duration is measured in heart beats, and Tuvan shamans to steps or strokes of the tambourine.
- You can breathe mouth or nose (both nostrils, only left, only right or alternately), but you can combine (inhale nose, exhale mouth and Vice versa).
- Can create barriers to the flow of air is to inhale through pressed against the upper mouth or exhale through pursed energized lip.
Do you have any idea how many options can gain from these classification items? And each of them can be an anchor (very handy, by the way - to breathe in a proper way I need the condition is much easier than to repeat a mantra to keep my fingers in a gesture or an image before my eyes). And difficult to put on some condition of bad breath - you can, of course, but not very productive.
For theta, by the way, most suitable uniform surface combined coherent mouth breathing with the beat of 1 second - rebirthing, holotrop, Vivan, trance Tuvan throat-breathing shamans - it's all from the same Opera...
For the beta (set energy) - square waves, triangle waves calm deep diaphragmatic breathing with a pause after inspiration with a beat in 3-5 seconds Rei-Ki, qi Gong, animal running...
For alpha - "slow inhale - exhale" - uniform coherent deep thoracic breathing with a long duration and exhaling difficulty.<
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Well, for this it was necessary either to pick up participants who are well oriented in the subject of anchoring. Any preliminary mailing to anchoring and everyone would be prepared. The level is different for everyone.к-13 wrote:to the parties themselves have chosen the anchors
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On topic - yesterday I tried the alpha a deep track with some of the anchors, and the anchors I began to not put as recommended in the beginning of the relaxation, and so to say for earlier. The relaxation was so deep that the morning couldn't even bring myself to listen to the morning session - that is, the chill remained until the morning
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People who are well versed in the anchors, most likely do not need such workshopsЭнди wrote:Well, for this it was necessary either to pick up participants who are well oriented in the subject of anchoring. Any preliminary mailing to anchoring and everyone would be prepared. The level is different for everyone.к-13 wrote:to the parties themselves have chosen the anchors
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WellЭнди wrote:On topic - yesterday I tried the alpha a deep track with some of the anchors, and the anchors I began to not put as recommended in the beginning of the relaxation, and so to say for earlier. The relaxation was so deep that the morning couldn't even bring myself to listen to the morning session - that is, the chill remained until the morning.
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've recently watched the training which refers to "nonviolent communication", so words like "to the Blues, to complain, to beg" is the word subjective assessment of the situation and often, as in this case do not reflect realityк-13 wrote:to the Blues, to complain, to beg?
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in short I went with the installation, that as the previous week's peak of relaxation will only receive at the end of the session and are passed out by that time, so hurried with anchors. Why is it so fundamentally it is at the peak?к-13 wrote:why is it necessary to do all not how it is written
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That's why the majority here can not do anything, although clever regular trainings we look, but also clever phrases have nothing to bring.Энди wrote:'ve recently watched the training which refers to "nonviolent communication", so words like "to the Blues, to complain, to beg" is the word subjective assessment of the situation and often, as in this case do not reflect realityк-13 wrote:to the Blues, to complain, to beg?.
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Negative programming? A normal scenario slightly to make?Энди wrote:in short I went with the installation, that as the previous week's peak of relaxation will get only at the end of the sessionк-13 wrote:why is it necessary to do all not how it is written
That is why the transition to the stage of anchoring at this level is a steady state of deep relaxation with preservation of the waking consciousnessand you can pass out by the time, therefore rushed to the anchors.
Last time, I explained on a concrete example (it is not the only one). Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.why is it so fundamentally it is at the peak?
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Maybe in my case then to the entrance and put some anchor and resource as any other?к-13 wrote:Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.
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Still I see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "bugging" (including Skype)... And I see a significant difference here and there.Энди wrote:what is needed, and such workshops, for which I'm personally not once thanked and continue to do so.к-13 wrote:in addition to clever phrases have nothing to bring
We are the first training I got in the General forum was conducted exclusively in the Skype was going to voice conference calls every 2-3 days, in turn, shared their impressions and discussed the identified errors, I'm right there I've found the sessions and I explained to go, what to do... Then I felt for the first time the real value of the sessions with MM, because he participated in practice on a par with everyone, only ahead for a couple of days (came up with the program, wrote of the session, pondered additional exercises)... this is Probably the best option - when a person knows what it should report in the presence of others, he will inevitably have to shift and find ways to work out fine, but not for the sake of it...
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If you will be able to deliver, then why not? But it is better to anchored individual graduation status - light alpha relaxation anchored to the modified gesture (the deeper the state, the more closer to the original, for example, to close the fingers pads, and one pad to touch the base of another and when you dive deeper and deeper to push the pad closer and closer to the other pad), set the depth size of the key image, depth or duration of the breath (and the best option is to write to dictofon your breathing during the session, to perform, than it differs from normal based on the result to choose to anchor your natural breath in the right condition - it works and without anchoring, and will be doubly effective).Энди wrote:Maybe in my case then to the entrance and put some anchor and resource as any other?к-13 wrote:Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.
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Well, this is coaching. And as one would say esoteric - the transfer of energy from master to apprentice. Magic pendal has not been canceled.к-13 wrote:I still see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "drip on the brain"
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Yes it's a shame, it's just that without magic pendalya no one wants to do... That I will do a workshop in a standalone version and another one on "content" that nobody wants - so, to look briefly, to selectively listen to a couple of times...Энди wrote:Well, this is coaching. And as one would say esoteric - the transfer of energy from master to apprentice. Magic pendal has not been canceled.к-13 wrote:I still see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "drip on the brain"
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nopeк-13 wrote:with the "universal city" has not worked, as a former silvavoc?
I confess, only now sit down to chart anchors
but already a couple of days with the morning session going well, WD40 is suspended, condition a little worse than what happened in the morning, when I bought the decoder a few years ago
(Oh, I'm an expert now on the forum)
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then I asks good people to skonvertit ' session... converce -- some kind of garbage -- a few minutes binaural, then silence for 20 minutes, then white noise... and in my archive from новапро100 the same session S02, S03 and S02 at all... no sound... on the decoder did not try, there is no place on the player...
not aware of how sessions are original with Mashinki?
and another question: if I the sound of silence helps to be in the here and now, how it can be used in anchoring a different state...or only able to use the sound... there is a view of an integrated anchor consisting of a few simple... for example, the wise-cinnicot-suctiony-code word and drugasar zelenytsia-suctiony-dragactive word
such anchors are to each other interfere ???
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Try it, good stuff))) You'd like.ЗОМБИ wrote:nopeк-13 wrote:with the "universal city" has not worked, as a former silvavoc?
As the success in 3.5 hours?I confess, only now sit down to chart anchors
Condition just much better, only then it was fresh, unusual (well forgotten, to be exact) and the contrast seemed something extraordinary... "In a world blinded by darkness may the Sun seem like a flame from a candle"))) Now you just get used to it.but a couple of days with the morning session going well, WD40 is suspended, condition a little worse than what happened in the morning, when I bought the decoder a few years ago
And you them in the editor open and the question itself will be removed... There is no silence, there is a low frequency carrier - in my headphones very well hear the deep vibrating hum. He asked me, ' these good people (your name), but did not wait until his wav's downloaded from my superinternet, and once he found you, then a woman with a cartK-13
then I asks good people to skonvertit ' session... converce -- some kind of garbage -- a few minutes binaural, then silence for 20 minutes, then white noise... and in my archive from новапро100 the same session S02, S03 and S02 at all... no sound... on the decoder did not try, there is no place on the player...
not aware of how sessions are original with Mashinki?
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What exactly do you want? HOW are you going to imagine the silence? And even if you're zachepichi one state, attempting to anchor it on the other as you call first - it will instantly change any second, or just throw you with the annihilation of anchoring.ЗОМБИ wrote:and another question: if I the sound of silence helps to be in the here and now, how it can be used in anchoring a different state...or only able to use the sound... there is a view of an integrated anchor consisting of a few simple... for example, the wise-cinnicot-suctiony-code word and drugasar zelenytsia-suctiony-dragactive word
Anchors can't interfere with each other - if they are activated, they either trigger a complex condition (if each individual condition contradicts the other) or quanta collapse into the dark. But if there is the slightest pause (a different wise and with different colors at the same time it is difficult to build), the output is just a chain of States.such anchors are to each other interfere ???
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sorry for the long answer, just now was able to at least write something in the file (and then after 3.5 hours I was asleepк-13 wrote:How success in 3.5 hours?
my UltraSone for a tenner too, usually hear everything and more, BUT they are so massive that interfere with, are now the ears of Navigatorк-13 wrote:in my headphones very well hear the deep vibrating hum.
I simply can hear if you listen closely, that sound is the type of noise, and it changes form, can have rhythm, can be monotonous, can change volume, sound is like a quiet-quiet sound before OBTк-13 wrote:HOW are you going to imagine the silence?
by anchors: I made myself a pattern from 6-7 miniwaste, but chill to clearly remember the sequence can not yet, can they chain to play during recess gradually increasing their number i.e. for example three miniwaste, then add the fourth, fifth, sixth..
eh?
another question: mudra it is not necessary to keep long blind figusch and went (I Raziel figurku)... so?
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Are you kidding? I have a netbook ritmiks rh-524 connected and they are all perfectly audible (ekranki for 200 rubles - with my way of communication in the network any headphones more than a quarter do not stand upЗОМБИ wrote:my UltraSone for a tenner too, usually hear everything and more, BUT they are so massive that interfere with, are now the ears of Navigator
So it's not quiet - you to the internal background listen. I do not advise to use it. At the time of the session, he may be one, and in a situation of challenge will differ considerably due to different emotional States - in the end you either will not cause the target state, or cause something else... UnreliableЗОМБИ wrote:I just hear if you listen closely, that sound is the type of noise, and it changes form, can have rhythm, can be monotonous, can change volume, sound is like a quiet-quiet sound before OBT
Enough three. I did a whole year on only one state was used (only color is used) until you hit a situation when the alpha didn't work - a real break from the pattern was)))ЗОМБИ wrote:by anchors: I made myself a pattern from 6-7 miniwaste, but chill to clearly remember the sequence can not yet, can they chain to play during recess gradually increasing their number i.e. for example three miniwaste, then add the fourth, fifth, sixth..
eh?
In principle, Yes. Attention only fix for hands - you need to position the body precisely in the place of anchors consciousness recorded and compared with the resource state.<ЗОМБИ wrote:another question: mudra it is not necessary to keep long blind figusch and went (I Raziel figurku)... so?
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Roman, please tell me before it's too late
if not every time-so to get a more acceptable relaxation it CANNOT be anchored EVERY time, for as the anchor will lose quality... right?
(if so then I have accumulated quite a lot of initiations anchor)
plus if I relax confuse the sequence of the anchor action, even from the 4... this is also affected?
(more precisely, even not confused, it seems to me that the original sequence was not comfortable, I changed it recently)
I noticed that ISKCON niharoshie like this, get used to the sessions very quickly and they become nasty... you should change the session-and netestate, relaxation obtained...
(for example forgot about your track dbb and track Andrew meditation normally worked in the background bored the rest of the sessions; knock and the rock does not roll)
apparently still after a few years I stuck to Andrei Patrushev about programming sessions, you will have to learn to program...
by the way, as I understand it the main bonus of the Navigator is just as high variability in one session... that's just the gate is not convenient... although the gate is not always convenient.
Prusakova-one stupidly napped, second only in the evening and listened to it...
Roman, please tell me before it's too late
if not every time-so to get a more acceptable relaxation it CANNOT be anchored EVERY time, for as the anchor will lose quality... right?
(if so then I have accumulated quite a lot of initiations anchor)
plus if I relax confuse the sequence of the anchor action, even from the 4... this is also affected?
(more precisely, even not confused, it seems to me that the original sequence was not comfortable, I changed it recently)
I noticed that ISKCON niharoshie like this, get used to the sessions very quickly and they become nasty... you should change the session-and netestate, relaxation obtained...
(for example forgot about your track dbb and track Andrew meditation normally worked in the background bored the rest of the sessions; knock and the rock does not roll)
apparently still after a few years I stuck to Andrei Patrushev about programming sessions, you will have to learn to program...
by the way, as I understand it the main bonus of the Navigator is just as high variability in one session... that's just the gate is not convenient... although the gate is not always convenient.
Prusakova-one stupidly napped, second only in the evening and listened to it...
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Later here is not the case - if any-filled anchor to the resource state does not suit you, you can put an anchor on any pressuree condition (e.g., your favorite the desire to punch somebody in the face at the end of the day) and activate them at the same time - a double benefit and an unnecessary anchor collapsible and more balanced will be)))ЗОМБИ wrote:K-13
Roman, please tell me before it's too late![]()
In principle, it is possible, just slightly less than the efficiency will be.if not every time-so to get a more acceptable relaxation it CANNOT be anchored EVERY time, for as the anchor will lose quality... right?
Feedback based, is a little one good results - all laziness(if so then I have accumulated quite a lot of initiations anchor)
Do not have any sequence - only single anchors installed and fill nezavisimo - otherwise you will not be able to use them individually, but in vast majority of cases this is what is required...plus if I relax confuse the sequence of the anchor action, even from the 4... this is also affected?
How do you take all that I have sequence anchored to - one session is filled with one anchor, the other two... Or make a pause at least 30 seconds between the fillings...(or rather not even confusing, it seems to me that the original sequence was not comfortable, I changed it recently)
Session does not become less effective - they annoy you and you actively resist to achieve the target stateI noticed that the ISKCON niharoshie like this, get used to the sessions very quickly and they become nasty... you should change the session-and netestate, relaxation obtained...
(for example forgot about your track dbb and track Andrew meditation normally worked in the background bored the rest of the sessions; knock and the rock does not roll)
apparently still after a few years I stuck to Andrei Patrushev about programming sessions, you will have to learn to program...
And it is also.by the way, as I understand it the main bonus of the Navigator is just as high variability in one session...
More comfortable than inner and playerbut the gate is not convenient... although the gate is not always convenient.
Spring... I do a week in the garden, in the greenhouse, the yard... But to me, it's achievements are not needed, and will fill the long-established anchors of the pair of sessions is enough... So the fourth stage will begin on Monday - today I would like to give, but all the results are intermediate, so it will not workcouple of days Prusakova-one stupidly napped, second only in the evening listened to..
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Yes x knows... with one action is much easier... from burdockк-13 wrote:how do you take all that I have sequence anchored to - one session is filled with one anchor, the other two... Or make a pause at least 30 seconds between the fillings...
okay understand, you'd step it up until Monday, even sessions with cars converto
their binк-13 wrote:Zazhralis You, my friend
I still use strobe decoder and playerк-13 wrote:more Comfortable than inner and player
on the Navigator there is some uncertainty with the gate, I played it simultaneously with the decoder -- not blinking adequately, a pattern like found started writing a review on it, but did not finish, kept in the file Navigator on the shelf