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Re: [mailing list]Workshop on Mind-Machines

Post by Энди » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:12

к-13 wrote:- relaxation (alpha 10 Hertz – base frequency of the Silva method)
anchoring the red color (the color of sunlight with the eyes closed), look askance under closed eyelids, thumb, index and middle fingers together, on account of the exhalations with the representation of digits from three to one, and the mantra "alpha". Upon waking and just before falling asleep also activate the anchors for fastening.
this scheme I liked more - it has specifics.

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Post by к-13 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 17:57

Энди wrote:
к-13 wrote:- relaxation (alpha 10 Hertz – base frequency of the Silva method)
anchoring the red color (the color of sunlight with the eyes closed), look askance under closed eyelids, thumb, index and middle fingers together, on account of the exhalations with the representation of digits from three to one, and the mantra "alpha". Upon waking and just before falling asleep also activate the anchors for fastening.
this scheme I liked more - it has specifics.
And who prevents to use it? Or is required to pour water from a sieve, and 10 to tell it again? In General, I would prefer that the parties themselves have chosen the anchor, but did not use a template. After all, everyone will know what the participants anchor on that stand, and it's a very good loophole for manipulation. Is it so difficult to choose something individual? The list is truly endless then...

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Post by к-13 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 18:42

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к-13 wrote:start to breathe in an unusual way
If I no longer appreciate the theta state than alpha, is it worth spending such valuable anchor as deep breathing alpha?
I hesitate to even ask... "to Breathe in an unusual way" is definitely "breathe deeply"? I personally know dozens of breathing patterns, of which only a couple is "normal".

How to adjust the breath:
- It can be breast(when breathing lifted his chest, rib muscles work, oxygen is absorbed mainly from the upper third of the lungs) diaphragm (swells the belly, working the muscles of the diaphragm and the press, the more oxygen is absorbed the lower third of the lungs) and combined (therefore work and ribs and diaphragm, the oxygen goes all over the inner surface of the lungs).
- Can vary the duration of inhalation and exhalation - uniform (inhalation is equal to exhalation), with forced inhalation (exhalation longer than inhalation is the breath of speakers, singers, musicians with wind instruments, fans to blow balloons... it also refers to the "sobbing breath") and slow breaths(sneeze, blow out the flame of a candle...)
- May vary by the presence of pauses: written formula inhale/pause/exhale/pause, for example, square breathing (1/1/1/1 is the breath=the pause with full lungs=breath=the pause with empty lungs, for of relaxed wakefulness is well suited), triangular (1/1/1/0 or 1/0/1/1) or connected (generally without a pause - 1/0/1/0).
- Also can vary duration of pauses classical pranayama, for example, is recorded by the formula 1/4/2/0, each account for 6 beats and more
- Breathing may be deep (lungs fill up more than half of volume) and surface (less than a third of lung capacity is filled).
- Can be fast (the period is much shorter than in the relaxed state), slow (like yoga, when you slow down other processes in the body) and normal. In classical yoga, for example, duration is measured in heart beats, and Tuvan shamans to steps or strokes of the tambourine.
- You can breathe mouth or nose (both nostrils, only left, only right or alternately), but you can combine (inhale nose, exhale mouth and Vice versa).
- Can create barriers to the flow of air is to inhale through pressed against the upper mouth or exhale through pursed energized lip.

Do you have any idea how many options can gain from these classification items? And each of them can be an anchor (very handy, by the way - to breathe in a proper way I need the condition is much easier than to repeat a mantra to keep my fingers in a gesture or an image before my eyes). And difficult to put on some condition of bad breath - you can, of course, but not very productive.

For theta, by the way, most suitable uniform surface combined coherent mouth breathing with the beat of 1 second - rebirthing, holotrop, Vivan, trance Tuvan throat-breathing shamans - it's all from the same Opera...

For the beta (set energy) - square waves, triangle waves calm deep diaphragmatic breathing with a pause after inspiration with a beat in 3-5 seconds Rei-Ki, qi Gong, animal running...

For alpha - "slow inhale - exhale" - uniform coherent deep thoracic breathing with a long duration and exhaling difficulty.<

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:04

к-13 wrote:to the parties themselves have chosen the anchors
Well, for this it was necessary either to pick up participants who are well oriented in the subject of anchoring. Any preliminary mailing to anchoring and everyone would be prepared. The level is different for everyone. :?

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:06

On topic - yesterday I tried the alpha a deep track with some of the anchors, and the anchors I began to not put as recommended in the beginning of the relaxation, and so to say for earlier. The relaxation was so deep that the morning couldn't even bring myself to listen to the morning session - that is, the chill remained until the morning :D .

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Re: [mailing list]Workshop on Mind-Machines

Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:35

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к-13 wrote:to the parties themselves have chosen the anchors
Well, for this it was necessary either to pick up participants who are well oriented in the subject of anchoring. Any preliminary mailing to anchoring and everyone would be prepared. The level is different for everyone. :?
People who are well versed in the anchors, most likely do not need such workshops :? A newsletter for anchoring I previously held. Yesterday, literally. :wink:

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:29

Энди wrote:On topic - yesterday I tried the alpha a deep track with some of the anchors, and the anchors I began to not put as recommended in the beginning of the relaxation, and so to say for earlier. The relaxation was so deep that the morning couldn't even bring myself to listen to the morning session - that is, the chill remained until the morning :D .
Well :D But why, before you say something on the subject, you need to Blues, to complain, to beg? And why is it necessary to do all not how it is written, and with some Globovision bodypowered? Yes, it is possible to anchored condition in advance (that is how we anchored the Delta on the edge, even when not asleep but not completely awake and realize that almost all the failure in the realm of Morpheus - otherwise it is very difficult to get a good result), but at the moment we need anchoring it at its peak condition. We need to learn to take the condition under control - manage in a dynamic way, not to push the unmanaged com state with mountains running anchor. Let's say the first participants there is a technique for direct entry into the lucid dream - the simultaneous activation of anchors a quick sleep, and thread state. Peak anchors are immediately dumped into a dream (they each other do not contradict), and put your image of each other quanta collapse into the dark. In the end you Molo fact that both anchors will be overwritten (you will have to then re-fill them), so still and go to sleep then not be able for very long. And most importantly, you took responsibility for such cases - you're to blame, time doing things my way :?

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:48

к-13 wrote:to the Blues, to complain, to beg?
've recently watched the training which refers to "nonviolent communication", so words like "to the Blues, to complain, to beg" is the word subjective assessment of the situation and often, as in this case do not reflect reality :? .

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:03

к-13 wrote:why is it necessary to do all not how it is written
in short I went with the installation, that as the previous week's peak of relaxation will only receive at the end of the session and are passed out by that time, so hurried with anchors. Why is it so fundamentally it is at the peak?

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:31

Энди wrote:
к-13 wrote:to the Blues, to complain, to beg?
've recently watched the training which refers to "nonviolent communication", so words like "to the Blues, to complain, to beg" is the word subjective assessment of the situation and often, as in this case do not reflect reality :? .
That's why the majority here can not do anything, although clever regular trainings we look, but also clever phrases have nothing to bring.

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:36

Энди wrote:
к-13 wrote:why is it necessary to do all not how it is written
in short I went with the installation, that as the previous week's peak of relaxation will get only at the end of the session
Negative programming? A normal scenario slightly to make?
and you can pass out by the time, therefore rushed to the anchors.
That is why the transition to the stage of anchoring at this level is a steady state of deep relaxation with preservation of the waking consciousness :?
why is it so fundamentally it is at the peak?
Last time, I explained on a concrete example (it is not the only one). Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:44

к-13 wrote:in addition to clever phrases have nothing to bring
what is needed, and such workshops, for which I'm personally not once thanked and continue to do so.

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:51

к-13 wrote:Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.
Maybe in my case then to the entrance and put some anchor and resource as any other?

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 14:28

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к-13 wrote:in addition to clever phrases have nothing to bring
what is needed, and such workshops, for which I'm personally not once thanked and continue to do so.
Still I see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "bugging" (including Skype)... And I see a significant difference here and there.
We are the first training I got in the General forum was conducted exclusively in the Skype was going to voice conference calls every 2-3 days, in turn, shared their impressions and discussed the identified errors, I'm right there I've found the sessions and I explained to go, what to do... Then I felt for the first time the real value of the sessions with MM, because he participated in practice on a par with everyone, only ahead for a couple of days (came up with the program, wrote of the session, pondered additional exercises)... this is Probably the best option - when a person knows what it should report in the presence of others, he will inevitably have to shift and find ways to work out fine, but not for the sake of it...

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к-13 wrote:Because it is the most effective method of anchoring a resource state.
Maybe in my case then to the entrance and put some anchor and resource as any other?
If you will be able to deliver, then why not? But it is better to anchored individual graduation status - light alpha relaxation anchored to the modified gesture (the deeper the state, the more closer to the original, for example, to close the fingers pads, and one pad to touch the base of another and when you dive deeper and deeper to push the pad closer and closer to the other pad), set the depth size of the key image, depth or duration of the breath (and the best option is to write to dictofon your breathing during the session, to perform, than it differs from normal based on the result to choose to anchor your natural breath in the right condition - it works and without anchoring, and will be doubly effective).

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Post by Энди » Wed Apr 03, 2013 16:25

к-13 wrote:I still see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "drip on the brain"
Well, this is coaching. And as one would say esoteric - the transfer of energy from master to apprentice. Magic pendal has not been canceled.

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 20:01

Энди wrote:
к-13 wrote:I still see the results of those who have "I stand over the soul" and constantly "drip on the brain"
Well, this is coaching. And as one would say esoteric - the transfer of energy from master to apprentice. Magic pendal has not been canceled.
Yes it's a shame, it's just that without magic pendalya no one wants to do... That I will do a workshop in a standalone version and another one on "content" that nobody wants - so, to look briefly, to selectively listen to a couple of times...
So is anyone will have to repeat from time to time, just to organize it so that all the participants were considered and received the following files only after they publicly report on our work with existing...
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Post by ЗОМБИ » Wed Apr 03, 2013 20:03

к-13 wrote:with the "universal city" has not worked, as a former silvavoc?
nope

I confess, only now sit down to chart anchors

but already a couple of days with the morning session going well, WD40 is suspended, condition a little worse than what happened in the morning, when I bought the decoder a few years ago

(Oh, I'm an expert now on the forum)

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then I asks good people to skonvertit ' session... converce -- some kind of garbage -- a few minutes binaural, then silence for 20 minutes, then white noise... and in my archive from новапро100 the same session S02, S03 and S02 at all... no sound... on the decoder did not try, there is no place on the player...
not aware of how sessions are original with Mashinki?

and another question: if I the sound of silence helps to be in the here and now, how it can be used in anchoring a different state...or only able to use the sound... there is a view of an integrated anchor consisting of a few simple... for example, the wise-cinnicot-suctiony-code word and drugasar zelenytsia-suctiony-dragactive word
such anchors are to each other interfere ???

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Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 22:35

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к-13 wrote:with the "universal city" has not worked, as a former silvavoc?
nope
Try it, good stuff))) You'd like.
I confess, only now sit down to chart anchors
As the success in 3.5 hours?
but a couple of days with the morning session going well, WD40 is suspended, condition a little worse than what happened in the morning, when I bought the decoder a few years ago
Condition just much better, only then it was fresh, unusual (well forgotten, to be exact) and the contrast seemed something extraordinary... "In a world blinded by darkness may the Sun seem like a flame from a candle"))) Now you just get used to it.
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then I asks good people to skonvertit ' session... converce -- some kind of garbage -- a few minutes binaural, then silence for 20 minutes, then white noise... and in my archive from новапро100 the same session S02, S03 and S02 at all... no sound... on the decoder did not try, there is no place on the player...
not aware of how sessions are original with Mashinki?
And you them in the editor open and the question itself will be removed... There is no silence, there is a low frequency carrier - in my headphones very well hear the deep vibrating hum. He asked me, ' these good people (your name), but did not wait until his wav's downloaded from my superinternet, and once he found you, then a woman with a cart az

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ЗОМБИ wrote:and another question: if I the sound of silence helps to be in the here and now, how it can be used in anchoring a different state...or only able to use the sound... there is a view of an integrated anchor consisting of a few simple... for example, the wise-cinnicot-suctiony-code word and drugasar zelenytsia-suctiony-dragactive word
What exactly do you want? HOW are you going to imagine the silence? And even if you're zachepichi one state, attempting to anchor it on the other as you call first - it will instantly change any second, or just throw you with the annihilation of anchoring.
such anchors are to each other interfere ???
Anchors can't interfere with each other - if they are activated, they either trigger a complex condition (if each individual condition contradicts the other) or quanta collapse into the dark. But if there is the slightest pause (a different wise and with different colors at the same time it is difficult to build), the output is just a chain of States.

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:29

к-13 wrote:How success in 3.5 hours?
sorry for the long answer, just now was able to at least write something in the file (and then after 3.5 hours I was asleep 8))
к-13 wrote:in my headphones very well hear the deep vibrating hum.
my UltraSone for a tenner too, usually hear everything and more, BUT they are so massive that interfere with, are now the ears of Navigator
к-13 wrote:HOW are you going to imagine the silence?
I simply can hear if you listen closely, that sound is the type of noise, and it changes form, can have rhythm, can be monotonous, can change volume, sound is like a quiet-quiet sound before OBT

by anchors: I made myself a pattern from 6-7 miniwaste, but chill to clearly remember the sequence can not yet, can they chain to play during recess gradually increasing their number i.e. for example three miniwaste, then add the fourth, fifth, sixth..
eh?
another question: mudra it is not necessary to keep long blind figusch and went (I Raziel figurku)... so?

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Post by к-13 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:41

ЗОМБИ wrote:my UltraSone for a tenner too, usually hear everything and more, BUT they are so massive that interfere with, are now the ears of Navigator
Are you kidding? I have a netbook ritmiks rh-524 connected and they are all perfectly audible (ekranki for 200 rubles - with my way of communication in the network any headphones more than a quarter do not stand up :cry: ). On the Navigator the ears of the dead (wires frayed), I senheiser hd180 changed - they are comfortable, inexpensive and sound good.
ЗОМБИ wrote:I just hear if you listen closely, that sound is the type of noise, and it changes form, can have rhythm, can be monotonous, can change volume, sound is like a quiet-quiet sound before OBT
So it's not quiet - you to the internal background listen. I do not advise to use it. At the time of the session, he may be one, and in a situation of challenge will differ considerably due to different emotional States - in the end you either will not cause the target state, or cause something else... Unreliable :?
ЗОМБИ wrote:by anchors: I made myself a pattern from 6-7 miniwaste, but chill to clearly remember the sequence can not yet, can they chain to play during recess gradually increasing their number i.e. for example three miniwaste, then add the fourth, fifth, sixth..
eh?
Enough three. I did a whole year on only one state was used (only color is used) until you hit a situation when the alpha didn't work - a real break from the pattern was)))
ЗОМБИ wrote:another question: mudra it is not necessary to keep long blind figusch and went (I Raziel figurku)... so?
In principle, Yes. Attention only fix for hands - you need to position the body precisely in the place of anchors consciousness recorded and compared with the resource state.<

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:10

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Roman, please tell me before it's too late :wink:

if not every time-so to get a more acceptable relaxation it CANNOT be anchored EVERY time, for as the anchor will lose quality... right?
(if so then I have accumulated quite a lot of initiations anchor)
plus if I relax confuse the sequence of the anchor action, even from the 4... this is also affected?
(more precisely, even not confused, it seems to me that the original sequence was not comfortable, I changed it recently)

I noticed that ISKCON niharoshie like this, get used to the sessions very quickly and they become nasty... you should change the session-and netestate, relaxation obtained...
(for example forgot about your track dbb and track Andrew meditation normally worked in the background bored the rest of the sessions; knock and the rock does not roll)
apparently still after a few years I stuck to Andrei Patrushev about programming sessions, you will have to learn to program...
by the way, as I understand it the main bonus of the Navigator is just as high variability in one session... that's just the gate is not convenient... although the gate is not always convenient.

Prusakova-one stupidly napped, second only in the evening and listened to it...

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Post by к-13 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:01

ЗОМБИ wrote:K-13
Roman, please tell me before it's too late :wink:
Later here is not the case - if any-filled anchor to the resource state does not suit you, you can put an anchor on any pressuree condition (e.g., your favorite the desire to punch somebody in the face at the end of the day) and activate them at the same time - a double benefit and an unnecessary anchor collapsible and more balanced will be)))
if not every time-so to get a more acceptable relaxation it CANNOT be anchored EVERY time, for as the anchor will lose quality... right?
In principle, it is possible, just slightly less than the efficiency will be.
(if so then I have accumulated quite a lot of initiations anchor)
Feedback based, is a little one good results - all laziness :cry: So we probably will extend through the weekend the alpha stage, after all, the most important step, if you understand)))
plus if I relax confuse the sequence of the anchor action, even from the 4... this is also affected?
Do not have any sequence - only single anchors installed and fill nezavisimo - otherwise you will not be able to use them individually, but in vast majority of cases this is what is required...
(or rather not even confusing, it seems to me that the original sequence was not comfortable, I changed it recently)
How do you take all that I have sequence anchored to - one session is filled with one anchor, the other two... Or make a pause at least 30 seconds between the fillings...
I noticed that the ISKCON niharoshie like this, get used to the sessions very quickly and they become nasty... you should change the session-and netestate, relaxation obtained...
(for example forgot about your track dbb and track Andrew meditation normally worked in the background bored the rest of the sessions; knock and the rock does not roll)
apparently still after a few years I stuck to Andrei Patrushev about programming sessions, you will have to learn to program...
Session does not become less effective - they annoy you and you actively resist to achieve the target state :? Therefore, the need of session from cars to use... Zazhralis You, my friend :lol:
by the way, as I understand it the main bonus of the Navigator is just as high variability in one session...
And it is also.
but the gate is not convenient... although the gate is not always convenient.
More comfortable than inner and player :wink: At least adjust the volume to a comfortable level without changing the headphone Jack on the model with volume control...
couple of days Prusakova-one stupidly napped, second only in the evening listened to..
Spring... I do a week in the garden, in the greenhouse, the yard... But to me, it's achievements are not needed, and will fill the long-established anchors of the pair of sessions is enough... So the fourth stage will begin on Monday - today I would like to give, but all the results are intermediate, so it will not work :evil:<

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:15

к-13 wrote:how do you take all that I have sequence anchored to - one session is filled with one anchor, the other two... Or make a pause at least 30 seconds between the fillings...
Yes x knows... with one action is much easier... from burdock :wink:
okay understand, you'd step it up until Monday, even sessions with cars converto
к-13 wrote:Zazhralis You, my friend
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к-13 wrote:more Comfortable than inner and player
I still use strobe decoder and player

on the Navigator there is some uncertainty with the gate, I played it simultaneously with the decoder -- not blinking adequately, a pattern like found started writing a review on it, but did not finish, kept in the file Navigator on the shelf :oops:

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