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Re: [mailing list]Workshop on Mind-Machines

Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Mar 15, 2013 23:35

к-13 wrote:When the balance of hemispheres, not taking his eyes off the center of the picture you can easily change the direction of rotation.
Here the people and rushed... :?
Actually, IMHO, this is a too mechanistic view of the brain. 8)

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Post by к-13 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 23:55

Андрей Патрушев wrote:
к-13 wrote:When the balance of hemispheres, not taking his eyes off the center of the picture you can easily change the direction of rotation.
Here the people and rushed... :?
It's everywhere - 5 years in my memory the picture goes on the Internet and five years of such conversations. People love to flatter yourself, even if it means a little poolnight :) You can say it is improper to continue beyond :oops:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:actually, IMHO, this is a too mechanistic view of the brain. 8)
But this is the easiest test. I doubt that I personally can briefly and clearly explain unencumbered by knowledge in psychological diagnostics of the person as guaranteed to determine the transition from logical thinking to diamond without the aid of a questionnaire. The picture is working, albeit primitive methods are used.

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:47

Question hemispheres)

If more developed that the left almost all) that developing right and balancing are not lost if the elements lgica and so on ? Or with the development of the right and the left even more than the latter is also pulled to the right and it turns out the balance? The crux of the matter is that a lot of the League does not happen) and I want to buy not losing it that is)))

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:45

Works the same way as exercise - what works, and develops that does not work - expires. The left hemisphere the average person works all his life, and the right only occasionally. Therefore, the left hemisphere is pumped and usually does not require activation for balancing. But the right needs to be trained at least to achieve the level left before the start of training. This, incidentally, is quite difficult to do the typical right-handed people the left hemisphere will still dominate, and the right only slightly closer to him on the activity (but long enough to appreciate the results and to decide whether to continue). Nothing is lost - only supplemented. The brain, of course, it will be much faster to develop than increasing muscle tissue, but efforts still have to apply regularly and quite impressive.

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:57

the Lord of the practitioner!

Anyone have any results with exercises and sessions?

Someone has already entered into a state of flow when you exercise or is it just raids for a few minutes do?

Should start the second part of the synchronization phase or to give more time to lose?

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Sat Mar 16, 2013 13:29

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I write to you what else... and it's not there...

In General, I would have three or four days (not counting today) kicked himself the alphabet, for ISS to happened just that one time, preperenses in the day to work, locked in the room, drinking a mug of chicory, adaptogens and a tsp of horse meat, after playing harp for about 10 minutes, listening to the session 7 minutes, playing the alphabet 10 minutes... potichok like nasuverse
in the morning 20 minutes alfaria and 20 minutes of Snake Food -- by the way, a good alarm clock

By the way, are there any known rhythms of thinking... I have until then every 5-6 minutes ”a systemic failure has occurred” – play alphabet in five minutes the aggravation of VD such that do not have time for letters... I found the first few times playing for 5-6 minutes... then 10 minutes two times crashing, 15 – three times a failure...

By the way, I play with pause m/dy shows 2 seconds more until you try...

Yesterday did only the morning session listened and did nothing else... came from a birthday party and fell to sleep...

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The session listened to Opry did not register did

W
Session gate 20min
Sol-FA for 10 min, Viga-finger 5 min
Session 20 min, the Fig-finger 10 min.
Session 20 min.
Sol-FA 10 min.

MS
Session no gate in the morning 20 min
Alphabet 6 min
Session 20 min.
Alphabet 6 min
Session 5 minutes
Alphabet 7 minutes
Session 5 minutes

Thu
Session with the gate 30 min (bottled braking)
Alphabet 10 min.
Alphabet 15 min.
Session 10 min.

PT
Session gate 12 min
All :(

SB
Session gate is 20 minutes
Harp + blue + adaptogens + session + alphabet = like it

Oh, and I know how ears wiggle-in the future game alphabet ears :D
even alfaria haotichno use

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:04

There is a question ...novel and you can write a short tutorial at the beginning ....sorry for such a blasphemous phrase) ..and I will explain what I mean...

Seven times he read the thread like all first chewed that for what we do thank you so much! ..but the campaign is the development of the play ..pardon the workshop received additions improvements and recommendations and the result is confusion all right and how do!....

maybe some kind of brief summary of the type ...

1 the first week ....that fact and that .modified files these...
2 mm doing that and files these....
3 ..........

well, the files were corrected after all! for example many like the brightness of the strobe was increased ...although I have in the Navigator, throwing it on the map they are so bright that the plants put a minimum of 25% and manual at the bare minimum! ...

It is not laziness question ...for transparency ..especially when we always have to refer to the manual checking of what to do next! Risk to assume that sigurnosti and confusion of the chronology is a little scary re-decided)

Of course I can copy all that is necessary to each other and print the sheet as a guide) ...but here's the catch exactly know the correct files and you never know what has changed in the course!

With respect .

RECORDING ....it would be nice for beginners mini golzari ...

And it is not clear what to enter into the stream ... not that it did not read like all but he could miss (less stupid questions will be here well and you PM people to clog nebudet)) ..although it is hard to be believed)


here is the second day of listening with MM ....didn't get the feeling ...especially in the evening on the track of the ocean seems to be OK but manifestations fiction, morning track the rain a small voltage in the frontal part and then a little head ...and connected feeling between the CE and well, almost nothing ..without causing particular discomfort..

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:13

ЗОМБИ wrote:I have another three or four days (not counting today) kicked himself the alphabet, for ISS to happened just that one time, preperenses in the day to work, locked in the room, drinking a mug of chicory, adaptogens and a tsp of horse meat, after playing harp for about 10 minutes, listening to the session 7 minutes, playing the alphabet 10 minutes... potichok like nasuverse
The average person just 10 minutes of normal operation with the alphabet needs to cause involvement in the high performance state.
ЗОМБИ wrote:by the Way, are there any known rhythms of thinking... I have until then every 5-6 minutes ”a systemic failure has occurred” – play alphabet in five minutes the aggravation of VD such that do not have time for letters... I found the first few times playing for 5-6 minutes... then 10 minutes two times crashing, 15 – three times a failure...
Information processing on the verbal level is based microcycles at 2.5 seconds, where 2 seconds reception and interpretation, and half of a second - the results of the appointment (can not remember where data is, when I was given).

Plus in the late wakefulness the brain approximately every 15 minutes resets the stored information in the buffer and restarts. Time until reset is determined by the load on the information processing system - the more powerful the flow, the less time will pass before perezagruzki. During the reboot it momentarily falls into a trance - only function alarm system - this is used Ericksonian hypnotists (for example, Roma receiving an overload, when the two fortune-tellers at the same time the racket in both ears client to each his own, at the same time gauging the condition at the time of the failure to restart is enough to give the team a deeper dive - a trivial "SLEEP!" and the client is ready - you give a purse, jewelry, and even wouldn't remember). When you reset reset internal monologue and usually changes the object of attention (people just distracted - for example, worked-worked and suddenly finds himself happily staring out the window - "thinks the Raven", although most such moments are not recorded in memory).

Here is the reboot you get. In a state of flux data goes to the buffer without reloading in real time. And cage only without interpretation of the inner monologue.

A buffer is a place in which to accumulate data for day to night processing in a dream to enroll in long-term memory or sleep place with the processor to go into the far corner just in case (nothing is completely from memory does not disappear).
ЗОМБИ wrote:in the morning 20 minutes alfaria and 20 minutes of Snake Food -- by the way, a good alarm clock
Yes, I like it too.

In General, I understand. You're not ready yet. Try to work exercise not less than 10-15 minutes at a time. Exercise "Fig-thumb" it is better to complement other systems, for example, in addition to gestures to call them out loud and clearly present on the internal screen at the same time is three times will increase the efficiency and not easy. Or Supplement the work with the invoice and directions.<

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:22

K-13
Ohlin, theory of hopping in your head :wink:

thank you, buim the friction on
ААААА wrote:of Course I can copy all that is necessary to each other and print the sheet as a guide) ...but here's the catch exactly know the correct files and you never know what has changed in the course!
That is what we should do, and then who knows, maybe tomorrow the forum will not be (I'm optimistic), I copy and save in folders... stage 1 – manual – files stage 2 – manual – files with gate files without strobe – additional exercises and programs... plus more keep the subject fully in a separate folder
Thus it will be possible to repeat the workshop independently
ААААА wrote:AND it is not clear what is to enter the stream
In a sports game played ever... long and grueling... or quickly scribe what to think once?? Anyway you have to think his change in status notice... I've also not really far... need more practice... I especially helps app alphabet, especially if you do not cling to is not properly raised hand or spoken letter roll... quietly.
ААААА wrote:night at the track the ocean seems to be OK but manifestations of fiction, in the morning on the track with rain
It's like the tracks from the previous stage...

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:32

Thanks ..here's copy))

Yes, the tracks from the beginning ....all as then every time I go ..something ..colourability pause doing something like that..

earlier, MM was listening to Meiling ..kinda liked ...and the head light was..how it work faster .but after the initial files as all with a buzzing head a little bit annoying)

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:43

ААААА wrote:Have a question ...novel and you can write a short tutorial at the beginning ....sorry for such a blasphemous phrase) ..and I will explain what I mean...
Seven times he read the thread like all first chewed that for what we do thank you so much! ..but the campaign is the development of the play ..pardon the workshop received additions improvements and recommendations and the result is confusion all right and how do!....
Write a book, I feel 400 of Pages of explanations and razzhevyvaniya. Online psychology in action - too much information is unsettling - what kind of information will not get all the time you need more - though the same in other words, but hand, and then another, and comment, even if to say nothing. While doing nothing I want to - suddenly, somewhere there is something more simple and effective.

Among my testers, only one sits in the network - they understand everything the first time:

- here files, listen to morning and evening, three days to wear glasses dim. And listen. Any attempts to apply techniques and anchoring, no "why the melody sounds wrong", no "my eyes get tired light"... Two even without glasses work (I only have 4 available MM, which uses these files) and everything works.
- here is the program, two letters aloud call the top, bottom says which hand to raise no explanations, no excuses for the words of NLP trainers or explanation of principles of work, but on the fourth day, half reaches the state of flow.

There is much more chew, explain the principles of explain... And still there are those who prefer to "read between the lines", not noticing what is truly written with the overall results worse...

If I chew briefly, but the vast majority of these "many letters" and will not be read - once you start to ask. Therefore involves only those who started from the beginning, for the rest execute multi-page descriptions after graduation.<
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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:53

ЗОМБИ wrote:Ohlin, theory of hopping in your head :wink:
So, who knows what - suddenly third world or the end of the world, and I children will not be able to explain why the Earth is round, fire is hot, and the neighboring partisans can't read :lol: And without school can be competent kind of followers to educate.

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 15:27

к-13 wrote:
ААААА wrote:Have a question ...novel and you can write a short tutorial at the beginning ....sorry for such a blasphemous phrase) ..and I will explain what I mean...
Seven times he read the thread like all first chewed that for what we do thank you so much! ..but the campaign is the development of the play ..pardon the workshop received additions improvements and recommendations and the result is confusion all right and how do!....
Write a book, I feel 400 of Pages of explanations and razzhevyvaniya. Online psychology in action - too much information is unsettling - what kind of information will not get all the time you need more - though the same in other words, but hand, and then another, and comment, even if to say nothing. While doing nothing I want to - suddenly, somewhere there is something more simple and effective.

Among my testers, only one sits in the network - they understand everything the first time:

- here files, listen to morning and evening, three days to wear glasses dim. And listen. Any attempts to apply techniques and anchoring, no "why the melody sounds wrong", no "my eyes get tired light"... Two even without glasses work (I only have 4 available MM, which uses these files) and everything works.
- here is the program, two letters aloud call the top, bottom says which hand to raise no explanations, no excuses for the words of NLP trainers or explanation of principles of work, but on the fourth day, half reaches the state of flow.

There is much more chew, explain the principles of explain... And still there are those who prefer to "read between the lines", not noticing what is truly written with the overall results worse...

If I chew briefly, but the vast majority of these "many letters" and will not be read - once you start to ask. Therefore involves only those who started from the beginning, for the rest execute multi-page descriptions after graduation.
copying the entire thread ..just finished..))

Roman thank you!

Here is a summary of a lot already! ... of course not everything is clear but the brain is so constituted that he showed a straight line which going and he is no trying to find where the edge facets on the left to the right of the track which don't come)) so I ask))

Only here it is slightly confusing number of files..) ...thanks for the variety anyway !

Lesse here is everything on the shelves will decompose and be chic and Shine!) ...The way and share what you have accomplished testers because they go ahead of everyone!?

And primary theme files are no longer available because it was a later option?<

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 15:54

Novel! Question ....what colors are best to put on the gate in the Navigator which option is random or fixed , the triggering of chords or something else? What would you recommend, or does not matter?

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Post by ААААА » Sat Mar 16, 2013 16:26

From Keeper of Dreams AS leads in the sleep and the relaxation , what's the difference between this track from others?

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 16:47

ААААА wrote:Roman! Question ....what colors are best to put on the gate in the Navigator which option is random or fixed , the triggering of chords or something else? What would you recommend, or does not matter?
Does not matter - no significant difference with closed eyes, no eyelids still only the red component will pass - in the same blood vessels, the capillaries (and if used with the recommended brightness, the color will not be recorded, only the presence of outbreaks, we hope, about the rods and cones do not need to tell :wink: ). I prefer the white. The most secure Indigo (red + blue).

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ААААА wrote:From the Keeper of Dreams AS leads in the sleep and the relaxation , what's the difference between this track from others?
To sleep takes because the body used to fall asleep in a deeper state of relaxation. Over time, the user develops the habit of MM to maintain a wakeful state, not only on the lower levels of alpha, but theta range. Characterized in that he base - musical composition and the duration is almost 2 times less. The melody is calm, itself is relaxing and the nature sounds neutral.

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Sat Mar 16, 2013 21:27

к-13 wrote:the average person
I zombie already bit me, so to me this is not true... 8)
к-13 wrote:Or complement the work with the invoice and directions.
with a score like clear look from 1 to 10 and 10 to one I believe, account for every movement... but about the direction I do not understand... how?

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Post by к-13 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 21:46

ЗОМБИ wrote:I zombie already bit me, so to me this is not true... 8)
Well, you're closing sidushki something shove, let your computer bite - suddenly, starts to feed on electricity and binary information to digest at breakneck speed :lol:
ЗОМБИ wrote:with the score is kind of clear-back and forth from 1 to 10 and 10 to one I believe, account for every movement... but about the direction I do not understand... how?
Yes, everything is simple - during cotton eye upward, beautifully represent the number 1, down - 2, right - 3, left - 4, up - 5... direction vertical - aloud called what fell on his left hand horizontally on the right (it will be 2 times one and too, but is the only benefit). You can articulate the arm to change every range of fields or in dozens. You can count to 10 and back to 100 and back after each error to change the direction of account. It is possible to fiege and the thumb up, add the rock, scissors and paper and drive in a circle (but this is for those basic exercises are too simple - there is great potential for complications)

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Sat Mar 16, 2013 21:58

mother of God! I remember trying to dance to go longer in childhood -- complex engines are bad at it

I went to the computer, let them bite :)

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Post by Неон » Sat Mar 16, 2013 23:54

about the results of anything specific I can not - it feels as though a more focused and faster became, but it's just some elusive state. Do try to schedule 15 minutes MM and about 15 minutes with a player three times a day, though of course much time to allocate every day is hard and not always possible

and about the descriptions, Roman, you stubbornly refuse to believe that the description is too concise and broken in meaning. a Prime example:

you have one line
к-13 wrote:- here is the program, two letters aloud call the top, bottom says which hand to raise
and at http://www.newcode.ru/doku.php/alphabet-game text 11 thousand characters. But I did not have after reading a single question...

So here is the description brief, but the questions do not cease to go... of Course, you are not required to do an in-depth description, but also to requests to paint more in detail is not necessary so to be irritated in this case...

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Post by Неон » Sat Mar 16, 2013 23:59

for AHHH - about the state of the flow http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%81 ... 0%BA%D0%B0 :)

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Post by к-13 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 0:08

Неон wrote:about 15 minutes with a player three times a day
Just the player here is not a prerequisite. We need to engage with exercises, preferably longer than MM. More efficient to start with would be to devote 15 minutes at a time than three times at five to work out. You need to catch the state of the thread to understand what it is.
Неон wrote:and about the descriptions, Roman, you stubbornly refuse to believe that the description is too concise and broken in meaning. a Prime example:

you have one line
K-13 wrote(a):
- here is the program, two letters aloud call the top, bottom says which hand to raise

and at http://www.newcode.ru/doku.php/alphabet-game text 11 thousand characters. But I did not have after reading a single question...
This line is an example of how I verbally described the program as its. Moreover, it is enough to simply start working with the program. Here posted better - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5226my last post is the last issue of the distribution of (Vladimir Nikonov yet, and sending it head - don't even know when will be released). And then, in the subject, I more specifically described. Where I sent for reference, a description of the program and it is more than detailed. I didn't set itself the goal to acquaint participants with the "alphabet" - I just gave it as example of a simple and effective workout, so do not going to chew and to describe.
Неон wrote:and here the description is brief, but the questions do not cease to go... of Course, you are not required to do an in-depth description, but also to requests to paint more in detail is not necessary so to be irritated in this case...
What is something you take for irritation, it does not mean that it is. I really do not care, although I try to introduce an element of emotion in the responses.<

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Неон wrote:for AHHH - about the state of the flow http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%81 ... 0%BA%D0%B0 :)
That's it, you can Google more the"high performance state". These two very similar state as characterized by the alignment of the activity on the chart - the picture becomes more symmetric.

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Post by ААААА » Sun Mar 17, 2013 0:36

к-13 wrote:
Неон wrote:for AHHH - about the state of the flow http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D1%81 ... 0%BA%D0%B0 :)
That's it, you can Google more the"high performance state". These two very similar state as characterized by the alignment of the activity on the chart - the picture becomes more symmetric.
Close as it was after a month of training with mm and prescribed Mexidol)) after coincided nervous feelings and the beginning of the workshop, and now is not the status!)) already experiencing with him was fun!

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