The cylinders and unimodularity... does It work?

[Мирта]

Mirta
I otnositelnye do with the fit,no unwanted side effects not experienced (those from which I would start to worry).Noticed fit effectively relieve almost any pain..sorry about what's going on in my blood I can not say,but so far everything seems PAH-PAH-PAH,nothing bad fit can't say...of course the Only thing I don't understand what EXACTLY is going on with my body when I deagu.Your post is about intoxication with metals made me wonder if something I-will accomplish your goal.But at first glance I think this worry is unnecessary,as we are every day in contact not only with metals but also with other connections that have the potential mogliby to cause irreparable damage to health.

Really don't care? But what about the taste of blood in mouth, dizziness and nausea, changes in stool, the reduction of individual muscle groups, the forum observed when using F. TS.

Adaptive reserve of the human body to xenosapien and other pollutants the modern living environment, it is necessary to put really big, considering that overall the impact of the disastrous state of the environment on health is estimated at no more than 10% ( or less ), but obviously this should not be an excuse for frivolous, "and Maybe this time they will do" when I read the topic, make sure that the users attributed to the effects CF this movement of energy, "feeding" it ( the "energy" will come down and the flow of electrons ( insert correct word ) between the electrodes-rods ) and certainly nobody would like to get together with "energy" more that be are obviously not as inert as we would like to think opponents of the rods of gold/silver.

P. S. However, all that I have said above, only in other words. I am sure that when working with such things as the C. F. when according to my assumptions the harm possible ( for hedgehog no one has been able to refute them ), rely on subjective feelings lightly or should I say reckless.<

[Guest]

and what about the studies which are conducted with cf more than 20 years?

[Мирта]

and what about the studies which are conducted with cf more than 20 years?

Please give me a link to the text of the research

[Карил]

1. A constant sense of longing in the legs; constantly needs to move them.
2. Strong tremors throughout the body.
3. Sudden tremors and shooting pain in region of heart.
4. Contractions and spasms of certain muscles.
5. Can't stand wine, even in the smallest quantities.
6. Weakness in the stomach around 11 an hour. am.
7. Deep intense pain near the last thoracic and first lumbar vertebrae, rather worse sitting than when walking.
8. Burning along whole spine.
9. The patient can urinate only while sitting cross-legged, even with a full bladder.

1. In the legs, nothing special did not notice.
2. That's straight to Dragana and direct throughout the body... well... definitely not. There is an internal tension, some increased tone of the nervous system. Willingness for hard physical work. Brains against this background, I think worse, but I think it's natural.
3. The pain in my heart from time to time it happens was before I bought the fit.
4. Reduce this type of foot is suddenly twitched? Don't think so. Only when I sleep sometimes. But I sleep without fits. Cramping was not very long ago. Once in the river repurchased.
5. Don't know because I don't drink.
6. Don't even know about the weakness. Heartburn happens, but again, not from the fits, but by itself and for a long time. But then again if you eat normally, the stomach problems disappear completely.
7. The vertebrae do not get sick, except for those with whom the problems. Yes, and the problem has ceased to bother.
8. Along the spine a complete zero. Nothing at all.
9. Disgusting is what it is. God forbid. There is no and not necessary.

By passing the already described dry palms can add tension in your chest. It's not muscle tension, but something like high nervous excitement. Feeling pretty strong and quite unpleasant. Appears from the very beginning and reaches a peak after 40-60 minutes. It happens by itself, without the fits, but in a much less pronounced form. Even the index fingers start to hurt after a while, if too tight squeeze it fits. Not outside, but inside as if in the bone.

So the descriptions of the poisoning I flew all the way... And although some of the symptoms I have, but I would say a very long time and the fit has nothing to do.<

[Guest]

Symptoms are a subjective thing, and was given increasingly to attract interest in the question, not as an algorithmic tool for diagnosis ( do and myocardial ischemia is no pain ). If we dwell on the symptoms, it is necessary to emphasize that one should not look for symptoms in the "acute" experience, you need time that is associated with the accumulation of the necessary concentration ( of course, this may not apply to allergic manifestations ) in the body.
But what's really interesting is the answer to a question I already asked (whether at Mr. Kovtun over 20 years of research data on "...the concentrations of Zn, si, in the blood or other fluids, body tissues prior to and after ( various time intervals ) applications of fit" and whether anyone "...to explain why the metals will not be able to go through the skin, damp with sweat, in the presence of a potential difference in the internal environment of the body"

[Guest]

Hereto through these cylinders are such huge doses of metals, because of their inappropriately to Tuscany with him constantly.Maybe they get in kokoto on the skin depending on the type of leather.Etim doesn't it?But to get through the skin into the body! then, following your logic, all who would like to share with TSF shall be at mensei as disabled and it's a scandal and their inventor bylby of resolution,removed from the structure and sent to OTDELENIE designated as said ranch.

[Мирта]

Haugeto through these cylinders are such huge doses of metals, because of their inappropriately to Tuscany with him constantly.

And many do not ( especially Cu ( an order of magnitude more toxic than Zn )

But to get through the skin into the body!

A similar mechanism was discovered by F. F. Reuss in 1807 and is considered one of the most important varieties of electrokinetic phenomena. ( Electrophoresis - directed motion of colloidal particles or macroions under the influence of an external electric field. The speed of a moving particle is approximately linked with the electric field E by the equation of Smoluchowski. Electrophoresis is one method of physiotherapy, which is the simultaneous influence on an organism of a constant electric current and the input (through the skin or mucous membranes) ions of medicinal substances. It is proved that during electrophoresis increases the sensitivity of receptors to drugs, which fully retain their pharmacological properties. The main features of the electrophoresis - pronounced and prolonged therapeutic effect of low doses of drugs at the expense of creating a skin depot of the drugs, as well as the ability to exert local effects in some pathological conditions (for example, local vascular disorders) that hinder the flow of the drug in the pathological focus from the blood. For electrophoresis of both electrodes with pads moistened with a solution of medicinal substances have on the skin, or one of them is placed in the cavity of the body; in some cases instead of laying use the tub with a solution of medicinal substance, which lowered the carbon electrode ).

Interesting, but how many actually can take place under these conditions, and can take place at all?

[Guest]

what's the bet ? you can really get intoxication !!!
for example, mass disease in ancient Rome due to lead plumbing or view safety in hazardous industries ... everywhere warn of the accumulation of the harmful effects ... the body fights, adapts ... but one day ... drop by drop wears away the stone

[Guest]

and do not need to praise these cylinders , as the apotheosis of the achievements of ancient science )))
science that is not so perfect , and no one else used these cylinders in the ancient world and after , while metals become more available ...

and yet it was treated different gold and diamonds ... the same story ...

[Guest]

Grave will cure hiss and hiss fix.

[Лилия 747]

Looking for a book Lily Kim... can anyone in the al. the option is there

[Карил]

> Are there over the 20 years of research on TSF data "...the concentrations of Zn, si, in the blood or other fluids, body tissues?
> In contact with zinc are observed burning and metallic, or sweetish taste in mouth, weakness, headaches, dizziness, nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, chills, cramps in the calves. Possible allergic reaction (red skin rash, itching). A constant feeling of languor in the feet, strong tremors throughout the body, sudden shocks and shooting pain in region of heart, contractions and spasms of certain muscles, weakness in the stomach around 11 an hour. in the morning, deep intense pain near the last thoracic and first lumbar vertebrae, burning along the spine.

The Response Of Vladimir Kovtun.
Dear Karil. Since 1976, the Cylinders are already tens of thousands of people. Many - for decades. No such case was observed and could not be observed. For the manifestation of these symptoms requires the flow of significant quantities of zinc INSIDE the body. Nothing like in case of brief skin contact with copper and zinc occurs. Let me remind you that this LCD short strength and time of contact with the zinc and copper plates takes place in some methods of electrophysiotherapy. Moreover, in this latter case, the supply of zinc and copper in the body much more significantly than when you use the fit because of the plate to an electric current. But this amount is completely insufficient to cause the indicated symptoms of poisoning. Sincerely, V. P. Kovtun

[Анор]

Hello people!

Myrtle of course you know best from the cellar about the fit, 3.14 zdet (sorry) not researching to do.
In General, the dog barks, the caravan moves on.

Glad Carilo objectively assess the situation with fits, in the sense that before the use of cylinders was a skeptic too if of course I do not confuse

[Guest]

are There any over the 20 years of research on TSF data "...the concentrations of Zn, si, in the blood or other fluids, body tissues?

who and where they failed ?

[Карил]

Glad Carilo objectively assess the situation with fits, in the sense that before the use of cylinders was a skeptic too if of course I do not confuse

By and large the words Kovtun can not be verified. We can only believe or not. Of course he, as a producer, protect your product. Cell phone manufacturers also defend, but cellular health is affected, in spite of all the assurances of absolute safety.

Again from the letter it is clear that no studies on the concentration of zinc and copper was not performed. So categorically to speak about security is not worth it. Smoking cancer also not everyone gets.

Honestly, I do not believe that objectively assess. The experience of using the fit is small, so as a lab mouse I don't really fit. At the moment no deterioration in health was not noticed, as well, and improvements. Subjectively observed warming of the upper half of the body.

[Анор]

You're still young and sores you have, and if there is something in its infancy, as I understand it. This with your physical health impact can only be noticed if you work with energies, and since you don't work energies, respectively, and to notice nothing.
I actually by and large do not care about what others think. For me fits an assistant, especially now, after recent events.
Just in all this demagogy touches me the opinion of "experts" in the eyes not seen the subject matter!
It's like saying how crappy it happens to astronauts, with most never having been in space.
In General, I think all understand what I mean. And I write here because "purely neighing"

Good luck to all!

PY.SY. Then someone asked for a reference to the results of research. On the manufacturer's website it's all there: www.cyl.ru

[Guest]

http://gazeta.aif.ru/online/europe/73-76/03_03
http://www.apatity.mels.ru/polezno/cirkon.htm
http://www.medik.al.ru/circon.htm
weakened and the elderly helping organize any stress ... hardening , physical loading, anoxia, and so forth ... t after stress disrupted homeostasis of the body and it trying to restore it raises the bar higher , what would a new the same stress he was not knocked out ... and youth strap in which you emboss stress is much higher and such fits do not work , you have to lift weights or clubit up in the morning .......

[Guest]

more effective reecie body can receive and auto-suggestion and meditation , so if someone has real information about the studies, the influence of cf on the body give the link to the website http://www.cyl.ru/index.php?lang=ru&page=5 makes no sense ....
and the text VIEWS of PSYCHICS AND PARAPSYCHOLOGISTS only adds to the skepticism

Cylinders that have a therapeutic effect on the organism through bioactive points of palms.

Doctor of medical Sciences, senior researcher of the research Institute of Emergency Care. I. I. Dzhanelidze M. A. Nikulin in the process of medical studies on the effects on the human body of cylinders of the Pharaoh, gave the following interpretation: "If there are any abnormalities in the human body observed temperature asymmetry plots of patients in relation to healthy. Taken up the Cylinders equalize the pathological thermoasymmetry, indicating that their therapeutic effect".

Interesting results of preliminary experiments, conducted in Oncological Center in Pesochny doctor of medical Sciences, leading specialist of Institute of roentgenology and radiology, M. A. Blank. Dr blank made the following comment: "There is a parameter that characterizes the functioning of cells-the respiratory waves of cells. Oncological condition of the organism suppresses those respiratory waves, but the Cylinders of the Pharaoh, on the contrary, improve that parameter. But cancer is a very serious barrier. The cylinders may help prophylactically. One thing is clear: where cancer makes things bad, the Cylinders try to make better."

[Алексей А]

Friends,something you from constructive directions got lost in "you goof!No I did not goof!".It seems that there is no obligation to prove anything to anyone.The forum participants were interested in the fit and eksperimentiruya on himself,sharing his impressions. And skeptics here and heaps(he is),but to discuss the subject in another key, wait, the cunning businessmen not constructive and not interesting.For example,I bought the fit,I wanted to experiment.I like it,and it's interesting to hear the opinion of the same.Today for myself deduced that the fits work.We can feel their beneficial effect on recovery after exercise.On the other hand,in a long run (1H and more) with the fits in his hands,their impact is not noticeable.Most likely due to the fact that the body operates in the stress mode and "drowns out" the action fits.Of course, there are more effective ways of impact on the body,who would argue,but to talk about the mysterious TSF is much more interesting than trying to expose and all!

[Алексей А]

Here it is,the correct format of communication !Thank you!Informative.

[Dimas]

Anor
Respect,well, finally, though the specifics go!Thank you!Now I don't do with cylinders,I feel that, again becoming more excited.Fit good comfort,expect 2 weeks not to touch them,and then to begin to engage critically evaluating the results.AnorTell me,and as You Turbosonic?You REALLY feel any changes?If Yes,which ones?If it is possible-more in detail.Before the holiday I began to pour the polarity and "handle it",had pieces 40 all...like nothing has felt so far...

[Анор]

Dimas
For a start let's "you".
Don't know how the moderators would react to our offtopica, but let's try
I have a Turbo gopher does everything as stated. I'm also not much far away from you, the only difference is that you finish both the list and in the course of the day come up with a new polarity and topics for study. All as was stated in the book, it works. I began to notice that there is no potential or voltage where he had been.
In situations when the idea is to experience irritation or frustration to notice that he is not and how much not I keep replaying the situation in my head, negativity is not appearing. In General works for me unconditionally.
Became more time to arrive in a state of emptiness. But not so radically as we would like. Yes, and what to expect from first stage. Pendulum like until caught, but then again, maybe it's a smooth fit.
In General, Turbo-Gopher it!
And in "Commonwealth" with the fit in General THING.

Recommendations of the best cylindermodel!

[Карил]

You're still young and sores you have, and if there is something in its infancy, as I understand it.

I agree, a reasonable assumption I think so too. A second option does not exclude the first - not enough sensitivity.

On this with your physical health impact can only be noticed if you work with energies, and since you don't work energies, respectively, and to notice nothing.

Speaking about working with the energies you meant a session of polarity (hand-foot rest), and breathing exercises with the Pharaoh's Cylinders?

[Андрей Патрушев]

I've made sure that the cylinders work... Put on the neck (under the head) and on the coccyx, Yes has fallen asleep accidentally. Woke up from a sore throat. I looked in the mirror: Tang (he was just in the projection of the upper cylinder were) much swollen, and even bleeding. So guys - follow the instructions!

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Carilo
Speaking about working with the energies I was referring to energy.
Qi, prana, the force, call it what you want... But that would work with it it is necessary to feel or develop sensitivity.
Ie need to know what you're doing.