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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Михаил_ » Sat Jan 28, 2012 21:00

Dimas :)
The upbringing of the child(or rather the establishment of a harmonious contact with him) by the way starts at least with the prenatal period - to talk with him and have a lot of mom and dad, good in hearing, can be mentally... it greatly affects the development of the baby.
The rest - a little later.
Due to lack of time I will describe briefly and briefly.
In General, the information above is enough to grab the rest of the network, but later today will return to the topic.
Firs - I see nothing special around me, a lot of people with this or a smaller or larger number of children but in General around then, besides the plans for a much larger :)

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by МерКаБа » Sat Jan 28, 2012 23:33

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Be interested to hear your recommendations, as planned my wife and child.

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by елей » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:27

Michael,
you, apparently, quite busy schedule. I understand that the primary responsibility lies on your wife - three children and breastfed baby. what is the daily routine of a person who is in charge of four emerging personality, without any help? this is not an idle interest. how does she do it?

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:42

In my chart children a priority. Straining the wife is also not there, but it's constantly two eldest from his first wife live nearby, but separately. When they have (often, especially the holidays, especially the summer), is even easier - help them a lot including me with work.
(well, I have among other things "work" is not only what is seen on this website)
Routine wife - free, for personal interests and the interests of children in General their and my pleasure. Ie she does his small business, their interests, children, travel, get-togethers, not really straining at all.
When EP (natural parenting) children harmonious family members, and not a burden for which you need to constantly keep an eye on.
As I wrote above - if the kids are sick of the attention on the ears, they are wonderful can for example play in a long time, but when you have parents or relatives there is a time for leisure - of course happy. As different collective activities, walks, trips and other-other-other.

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by елей » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:02

you must all the time talk to them. children are curious creatures, rumble incessantly. you do not want to drown in a week-long silence? :) (this is similar to an interview, but I think, I wonder*)
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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:58

Well. Recommendations.
1. We have a lot of friends that pregnancy prepared before such - and rightly so. By the way anticipated in advance the child in every sense of the word more blessed (power, health, etc.).
2. in many cities in many CIS countries and not only there are different courses good. In Moscow is clearly "magical child" http://www.magichild.ru/ there are many others, but some odious, some people like only themselves, some are fixated on the paradigm of calling it what ever the origins. However, it is useful to know which is which.
Walsh. child - the place is popular among a fairly wealthy business layer of Moscow recommended to friends and acquaintances and it is often possible to accidentally meet anyone you knew from other places-business.
3. to know which is which - it is useful to search for the Internet community. This has a number of advantages. Firstly not bound by geography. In the second chat with like. Many different communities. Some have closed because of "attacks" system-level. Through the community can be a good idea to go to a regular children's and adult parties, gatherings and so on.
This is very useful even for level "all baby." Firstly because these "just babies" perfectly communicate without words with their own kind. I'm not kidding. They have it great and as soon as you see even-aged. The second party is an outlet for mom's to her roof did not go from sitting at home. Thirdly there are mixed-age children and the children socialization is not the level of "kindergarten" and the level of communication with their peers and with Straseni and adults.
The truth is after giving birth. But before the birth it is useful to attend to the correct process themselves.
For this purpose, there are mentioned courses (a lot of information in one message not to push in any way) and various other sources of information (e.g. the aforementioned log home kid to have the website).
You need to understand that the birth in a modern hospital. even paid, in the country (or countries speaking about the former USSR) is moaning and crying. Even a lot of money still he (moan and cry). Well, if you know of course what is happening there.
And happens like this. A natural process that can be traumatic not completely safe and pleasant (I misspoke) and for mom and child turned to disease diagnosis (pregnancy for modern medicine is the diagnosis!) and in many cases trying to "cure".
The most frequently used methods of "treatment":
- feeding during pregnancy women different ways of pills that were not useful (and because we experience love, Russia and Ukraine are the cheapest polygon testing new drugs for Western pharmaceutical industry), and also because the "doctors" often just operate on the old stereotypes.
- wrong advice on nutrition
- incorrect interpretation of tests (which are also so often not necessary to take generally for real medpokazany).
- excessive ultrasound for no reason (they actually have an impact on the child and it is scientifically proven, and the reaction of the kids in it clearly visible)
By the way there is in Moscow a CTA (centre of traditional obstetrics) - a good office, but leading doctors pregnancy there are different.
at the stage of childbirth that I love to do really not very good:
- having a C-section all in a row with no real need to hurry himself to shoot or to play it safe. (bad that is more than reliable information about the very serious impact of this method of birth for all child's life - and there are hormonal different than occurs naturally, and most importantly the child does not receive the archetype of overcoming difficulties in your character is more than real, not my invention). Many mothers, becoming conscious for 2 or even third generations manage to give birth naturally after a caesarean (although the bulk of hospitals will say that it is generally not possible because the seam from the surgery, but in most cases this is not a problem if under medical control). Now the situation brought to the absurd. By reading reviews expensive commercial hospitals you can understand that moms just want their "accessarily" type is easy and hassle - idiot (sorry).
Thus doomed to difficulties if you go decide to go the natural way and the baby in serious difficulties raised from birth (a violation of a number of natural energy, biological, and psychological mechanisms).
next is often very like to enter into the process of childbirth to a woman of different "medical care". Namely obessolivanija epidural
(http://onarkoze.ru/anestezija-pri-rodah ... rodah.html - here to read, so you might think that it is a holiday) In fact, for both mother and child is a shock thing. Mother because many then the lower half of the body still for a long time remembers that ushered in the spine. For the child because the mother is "anesthetized," although the correct natural childbirth should not be painful, is that their hospitals are doing so. But the mother is numb feels nothing "from below". I.e., she gives birth to a child with a dead lower half of the body. Instead of the mother hurt the CHILD! And finally, in Europe a long time statistics spent. All types of drug intervention in childbirth lead in children to extremely high percentage of drug disposition. According to the statistics the picture is more than sad. Ie mother stabbed to her an hour did not hurt and raised the child a drug addict, good price?
Similarly ( but not so tragic) things with a thing called "medicated sleep".
And that everything went smoothly and well without the injections - you need to get the information in advance. Muscles to train in advance (there is a special exercise). And to know the correct for the baby to breath and comfortable for mothers poses.
And in maternity home it is still permitted to do - to be a good father (and support for giving birth is great) plus to have a contract with adequate hospital and know what to do what is necessary.
That's adequate training.

Next age "baby."
Typical error of the classical approach and what is to read.
At komarovskogo (esctacy pediatrician child known to have his thick book to sell and probably the network) to read JUST ABOUT HARDENING, it is not necessary to coddle the baby. In a room temperature of 20+-2 degrees in a child of perfect thermoregulation. He doesn't need socks, hats and lots of clothes. From them he's HOT and he's crying (typical story).
A light diaper or blanket (to lay on during sleep), sleep - naked.
Ideally then there will be no colds-snot.
Tested by many mums-dads.
Igrid Bauer to read "Life without diapers" - be Sure!.
It's a really important point. It not only will save the child from this beach time (we somehow raised without them) and from disorders of thermoregulation and violations of sexuality later (caused by the permanent closure of parts of the body in infancy), and will save parents a lot of time and money. And without the hassle. believe me. The child is weeks old he is able to signal that it must be "planted" to pee or to poop.
Diapers - just for the street. We have, after 8 months they and the street was not used. Missing out on many times since removed - it's DRY, the child himself suffers (well, who wants in his pants then). If it does not take him long, not to introduce the practice of planting - so I this story for a long time, because the child breaks a natural mechanism, and he learns not to hold back yourself and immediately pour into the pants. It is necessary to you?
I recommend reading Lindloff.
next. Most proper sleep for infants - mommy's side. The crib is a place for children's clothes stall stacks in General, it is not needed. For a minor one is bad. And with parents - cozy, warm and reliable. Mom's the word, breath, heat, heart rate. In this mode, everybody sleeps at night.
Since the diapers are not used, then used disposable diapers and their consumption is insignificant as well (by the way, they are German not reusable absorbent "tsanovska").
Generally the Europeans and in particular Germans, this is very good. And instead of diapers they have reusable nappies made from environmentally friendly materials, with natural antiseptic properties and so different of other goodness there, and so on.
This we do not know about it ... wild.
Same story with wearing children in a sling. On TV trying to spin some kind of dill. Well, I'm not talking that sling (which is a lot, but the sling-scarf http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text ... k=1&lr=213 ) roots and the ancient Church frescoes clearly show that Jesus is dragged very even nothing :)but the main thing that in Europe and the USA is a typical and expensive commodity. Again, natural materials, different fabrics, and so on. These products are from cheap to very expensive (more than 1000-1500 euros) and the Europeans and the Americans of course are idiots? :) and they there is nothing trying to denigrate. It's just there.
The meaning is that both at home and on the walk-and ride - a child is calm when mom is sleeping or eating "on the spot", not crying and mom has free hands.
Full freedom of movement. If I leave prepared normally and the mother weren't injured - that from birth almost (well in a week, and at home before).
In order to learn such an "interface" between mom and baby (or dad and child, dad hauling kids and it's convenient to a year or more) have a special lingoconsult that a professional can show you how. Or ACC. parties there are those who do it just for the occasion.

Next.
while the child is growing slowly need to start thinking about its development.
I.e., the right toys, books and more. Here simply. Not to change the message in the book - in the above places there are proper products and information. Children's educational books are now is very different. It's good to take directly from publishers in the collective procurement for myself, or wholesale (small wholesale think of it as if to gain another bag of different needs children's educational books).
but besides the games and books need certainly normal exercises (a La dynamic charging)
then you need video and if mum and dad are new at this, it is possible and someone showed.
Not overly necessary, but a reasonable approach the child very much and he quickly starts crawling-sitting-walking and so on :) further small probability of accidental injuries and other nonsense.

Well, there is swimming, which is better in a large tub and not small (it also has a lot of information, videos, etc.)
There are more air baths.
And much more.
About vaccinations (what was the beginning of the topic) even think to say stupid - a lot of material there. Some of them you can count written by conspiracy theorists. But if you look at the situation in some countries such as Latin America now (where increased generation of those vaccinated-the vaccinations, the who), it becomes not to jokes. Since there are IVF conception now in Vogue at the level of government subsidies.
The observations of children are not vaccinated at an early age, they almost do not get sick. The teeth are cut with a slight runny nose and all. It's not one or two, this statistic many parents, including in cases when the family is vaccinated children (usually earlier). Naturally, everyone decides for himself on the basis of available information. Yet (perhaps not for long) we have it is legally possible to refuse vaccinations, including the first, in the hospital. Better to warn about this immediately. In the Moscow hospitals the scale bounce high, they have prepared paper forms for such failures. Something where they just offer.
some of our friends giving birth on the periphery, in the process of rejection of vaccination, was just referring to the involvement of myself to be supporters of the Church :) (this idea im the doctor threw a surprised asking - "are you from the Church community" :) to questions then it was not so they said it would help to remove unnecessary questions and attempts to persuade.
Of course I do not call to refuse vaccinations and only tell how it is :) the business personal as the saying goes.
Well, I think that's enough to start. The rest of the information then falls on the channels of "collective intelligence" by which to communicate in person and online parents of healthy children.
Information this is more than enough.
Yes, there is a tendency of the state to crackdown. But there is a legal basis for competent work with this.
No need to put yourself and child as "an anomaly".

By the way I highly recommend to attach the child (if needed) to some of the departmental commercial the clinic doctor to call on the real neobhodimosti (they are all the old saying - a quiet horror), and figure out the coordinates of the traveling child's pediatrician recommended a community in your city or area. There are also.
Again, some questions are better not with the doctor.
For example what concerns GW (breast scharlemann) is better with the consultants, many of whom the issue and paid and even free. For example, the doctors somehow don't know that GW can be recovered(actually always) if it was interrupted (happens for example if the mother's health after childbirth was something wrong, and so on), the doctors somehow do not know if to be decanted, to maintain a harmonious rate of milk is extremely difficult and always will be torture. and a lot of what they do not know the average weight. there are certainly a lot of competent - counsel with the people! this is the Internet.
HS to a year or more - a pledge that the child is not sick or sore easy cold, which takes place by itself. Now full new Western studies that showed that breast milk after a year is not "water" as the doctors say of the old school, and a very useful thing.
doctors love to convince you that the child needs to drink water (delirium, he gets all of the milk until you start to be interested in other foods) and that complementary foods need to enter almost 3 months (also nonsense).
There is generally a "pedagogical feeding" - highly recommended. This is true provided that the parents eat less healthy food. For a long time on GW + pedagogical lure will be due to the fact that You never know what jars of food, their heating, porridge and so on. Ie this is no problem either you or the baby. Asked to believe is much better for all :)
By the way, another completely unnecessary thing is the nipple. Honestly. And in the form of "butylate" in the form of dummy (psychological gag-Mama-substitute, if the child is crying need of the mother and not the plug).
If silicone and rubber in your everyday life too, no heap of problems with their washing and other things, and your parenting becomes pleasant and carefree and kid a lot better :)<

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:01

Talk - of course. rumble - no. More precisely, Yes, but often on business. They're in the parents ' business, ie constantly busy with something and only part of the business - joint. A lot of things-personal, them.
No, the silence don't want. absolutely. in silence there is this energy of the atmosphere that young and adult.

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:10

A little more about the actual birth.
In the hospital there is a small chance that they tulsiwadi the cord, but if the place of birth and there is no conflict rhesus or blood group, you agree to not cut the cord immediately.
Exist http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%BB ... %B5&lr=213
but let's leave it is not for beginners and requires another procedure of childbirth (by the way I already wrote, in the same home of the child recently published a world map with marks where natural childbirth is possible and where not).
So. In fact, before the war, the umbilical cord is not immediately cut. And during the war began to take a blood transfusion. So.
And since there is no war, and its all cut and have come up with justifications why (new) :) so here's the catch-there's up to 30% of baby's blood.
If you cannot avoid quick cutting, consider delivery of the cord blood stem cells.
(for example http://gemabank.ru/) because they are relatives for the child. no strangers to any but him. Store can be roughly forever.
And yet, the actual placenta is your property. And it's easier to pick up. Possible. And it is not difficult. In the hospital refrigerators. Frozen take home. Then either bury it somewhere (there is a tradition to plant a tree) or there are methods for the preparation of immunostimulirutuyu potions from it (find online), but even if a tree, it is better than leaving a much. Let me explain. The hospital to sell the placenta for expensive cosmetics. But genetically it is associated, and the mother and the baby. Issledovaniyam the same P. Garyaev, communication via gene is extremely strong. Ie if some old lady smeared the cream from the placenta of your child, it is rejuvenated, but is the impact and back. Of course the child's health potential is huge, but you need it?????<

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:13

Generally, in the modern world, it is always better to take study into their own hands, or thinking that doctors or other specialists "Know everything" can easily be in a situation where someone just watches over their interests. The benefit is there is public information in the network is very much possible to read a fairly wide range of opinions, draw conclusions, and so on.

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:39

well, since the question was about education: http://freeedu.ru/modx/bez_shkoly

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Michael_BIG thanks for the info! :)

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Post by Димас » Sun Jan 29, 2012 14:22

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Mike, thanks for the info. I read a lot about already, about the cord was surprised. This is a reasonable approach. About cesarean Yes, when I was in addiction worked, there was one exercise from "purple courses" birth canal called. This exercise was recommended as one who has not been through natural childbirth. Man wrapped in a long carpet. his hands pressed against the torso, legs together. It stood above the people and pinched the carpet between statelock, and the man had to climb a distance of at least 7 metres away, in the dark, dust, chained with the feet/hands, and the top people kicking the carpet shrink. For fun, I once climbed...acucena 8)

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Белый Камень » Sun Jan 29, 2012 14:27

A bit of history :) for the interest
When Peter I came to Russia many Western doctors whose opinions are not encouraged to criticize. Thus began to form a medical science-based "masculine" approach to the process of delivery, forcing the naturally intuitive "feminine" management of pregnancy and childbirth. Although until the early nineteenth century "the doctors not only could not study midwifery on the human body, but if a doctor examined a woman giving birth without midwives, it was given to the court" (V. P. Lebedev, 1934).

With the beginning of the development of capitalism yesterday's peasants who were coming into the city, lived in much more bad conditions than in the village. With the growing size of cities begin to change the moral foundations are eroding status of the family. In cities, a growing number of illegitimate pregnancies. The government was forced to organize maternity shelters for the poorest urban residents. Maternity institutions were originally intended exclusively for women from the poorest strata of the population, and for unmarried mothers as a secret refuge. To give birth in the hospital were ashamed, so many of those who wished to use medical care, was invited midwives at home.

In 1764, by decree of Catherine II in Moscow, the University opened an Educational building and under it Maternity ward for unmarried mothers, which was organized in Moscow the first specialised institution of the Maternity hospital for poor women.

In 1771, by order of Catherine II in St. Petersburg was opened the educational house, and when it was established the first midwifery hospital for poor and unmarried mothers (now the Maternity hospital №6 them. Professor V. F. Snegirev).

In tsarist Russia it was decided to donate a large sum to charity. Maternity shelters were created like the shelters and asylums from philanthropic motives, and not because of medical need.
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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 16:29

in addition to the above quote.
Now there is a clear ordering to denigrate the idea of natural childbirth. In this regard, criminal proceedings against mothers and midwives in the death of a child at a home birth (even if the situation was such that the hospital would be no help), lifted television and other news hype.
This has been observed in the present and the recent past.
Nevertheless, the situation looks like this:
- the majority of women have experience several genera, noted that the visit to the hospital stops (sometimes for long) labor. (the official setting, the emergency Department, all sorts of treatments, etc.). If earlier it could safely watch and wait are now the majority of doctors tend to introduce incentive funds (they would by the end of the shift to home anyway).
- in many civilized countries of the world is "home" or other maternity centers. I.e. places where there is a supervision of a physician, but in General it looks comfortable, quiet home. The difference from home is that reduced risks - medical care potentially near, it is sanctioned and the norm.
- in many European countries the presence of the husband at childbirth is the norm and the anomaly of his refusal to do so. We is still exotic stifle commercial rates and lots of references from husband.
Britain has legalized home birth
according to the new law on health care we are open to question, although many practiced.
doctors like to artificially induce labor if a woman in labor "perekashivaet", although there is no reliable information that this is bad, on the contrary, is the reverse, that the time of gestation can significantly differ in a big way. Artificially induced deliveries which are not physiological.
- if the woman not to touch, in the sense of different interventions, the delivery can take place as natural, are actually externally stimulated process. From the energy point of view, it looks like opening a channel of energy. After birth, when the channel is closed from the woman starts shivering (the flow of energy is finished). If at the time of birth giving birth disables the head, uses the breath (special techniques) and the voice (the battles propekanie) that the process takes place with minimum discomfort entirely compensated by the moment and the joy of it. The release of endorphins and other natural factors can't be compared with drug.
only in some of our hospitals, mainly in those who are different maternity centers and courses, know what physiological position for birth - upright, semi-sitting or other but not lying on the back! the last thing is not convenient for mom and for baby and convenient only for the physician.... although branded generic beds are equipped with lifting backrests, footrests, and other pieces for the position of "squatting" ordinary women it rarely shines. Although in the same Vidnoe the hospital lucky and many of those who are not under contract.
- nutrition during pregnancy and just before birth has a significant influence on the fabric of a woman.(but this is better courses will tell)
- massage the vagina do in the last weeks of pregnancy can significantly reduce the need for incisions and the probability of fractures.
- oddly enough, but contrary to the opinion of doctors, natural lacerations usually heal faster and better (not diverge when re-birth) in contrast to the medical cuts.
- on the territory of the former USSR and not only gaining momentum in popularity as a solo birth, although it is much more risky from the point of view of logic of the event than just Pets. solo means no-one around, the woman turns off the head and everything. One reason for this is clearly that the Institute lost midwives, and modern medicine too traumatic and unnatural process.
Head pregnant say operating on its own (there is almost one intuition often) and because they are drawn to such an extreme. Don't think it's good or bad. Better of course when there is a number to help.
- in spite of the assaults of state for home and other hospitals are not controlled by labor, real problems in them is much less than in hospitals. They just can not be in General, so with a strong desire to find something that will catch on.
- one of our friend who teaches prenatal courses and has a master's degree (she's a professional obstetrician-gynecologist), worked for many years in the hospital, took a lot of births. She has three children. All three are having a long practice, she gave birth... at home...
- as the country is gaining momentum every YU and the new law on the health of citizens, their own, different from standard applied to medicine and the process better not to advertise :) before government entities.

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and yet, if money allows, immediately after birth, buy a commercial contract for medical care of the child in any clinic where there is neonatally or microperimetry (separate for babies) or just in a normal hospital. That is, if you are concerned about the presence of a doctor at hand. And send to..... and a little further on the patronage of local p-Ki (they come when they have a piece of paper from the hospital will come if there is a difference for example birth in the field, p-ka in the city, it does not come, it you will). And there send examination. If they really need something to complete them commercially. Otherwise, you will spend a lot of time on a cyclical process the queue of snotty p-ke for pieces of paper that need primarily to physicians, then the snot from this, the doctors home, the statement p, q and so on in a loop :) in short if you will cling to this system of "district n-ka" it is a separate big pain in the ass. can recommend the contract with the foreign Ministry clinic. The amount not consumed at the end of the year.<

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by елей » Sun Jan 29, 2012 17:24

Михаил_ wrote:doctors like to artificially induce labor if a woman in labor "perekashivaet", although there is no reliable information that it is harmful
and what if the woman perekashivaet and the fruit is quite large and each additional day increases the risk of injury?

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Jan 29, 2012 17:52

professionals who has worked for many years say that this is nonsense. Ie there is no such risk at all - imagination doctors (said by doctors). At the time of physiological (not induced) birth tissue the most ready to process. I.e. the risk of injury as the time of stimulation.
Known cases of very long perejivaniya and totally normal births. But other cases are just not known (i.e., different - hypothetical logical conclusions).
thousands of years were giving birth without stimulation and then suddenly the doctors came up with that they are smarter than nature and know how to help her - nonsense actually. Here a competent midwife can help - that's true, but her assistance would be less necessary and more effective if the process is natural.
Incidentally the author of sugioka Pak Jae Woo, the mother had endured almost three months - great to be born healthy.
Known and documented cases where, during the war, women used to delay pregnancy for an average period of their consciousness and appeal to the child(worked in the factories, it was not possible to give birth), and walked so for several years, and after the war gave birth to healthy children. Search to search - find.
And much more known.... but not medicine :)

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Post by елей » Sun Jan 29, 2012 18:16

used to delay pregnancy for several years?! wow! I wonder what the circles in my head.

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Michael_THANK you.

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Post by Димас » Tue Jan 31, 2012 23:57

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Mike,please tell me the algorithm of actions at refusal of immunizations upon admission to the hospital. What you need to say/write, to whom, in what form and how to ensure that the child is not vaccinated fraudulently?!

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demAsin the hospital everything just tell me what you do in the clinic and they'll leave you alone :)

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Post by Михаил_ » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:45

1. depends on the hospital of course. Some say do not say...
2. actually, I remembered that about the hospital not all important wrote, now I will add in General is IMPORTANT for the child to in these days and times he was always close to his parents. If parents are so close - as he can do something fraudulently?
3. It is desirable to know who will take delivery (subject to contract childbirth is practiced), to notify the doctor in advance about your vaccine refusal. Vaccinations make children's pediatrician, I don't remember exactly, I think on the second day after birth. In the hospital later on the second day asked the mother's opinion and brought the form of failure. You can have your completed application with you. If labor is contracted, and dad, too, lies there (usually this is only possible if single room) it is doubly hard to do something without asking parents.
4. on vaccination it is better this question in the relevant communities to clarify and in the hospital where you will give birth. If you are counting on "where the ambulance will take" - that is the height of negligence :)

Now the essence of the process after childbirth.
1. in normal hospitals do it themselves or suggest - just put the baby to the breast. You need to seek. This is important.
If the child wants it, he will suck if he wants to sleep, we lie on mother's breast it is important - there is a smell, heat, heartbeat - all native.
Ideally, it put in at once and waiting for the birth of the placenta. If you do not know - this is the second stage after the birth of the child, but the placenta is soft and therefore the process easier.
Doctors are not in the subject and inadequate start to talk nonsense from the "he's tired" or "mommy's tired" or "still there's no more milk" and so on. In fact, it is the actions of the child, then it sucks, cause real and fast, perfectly natural contraction of the uterus after childbirth. What is important to quickly and without problems the placenta was born (there are problems if it remains inside and the woman immediately falls on or after a "cleansing" of the uterus. In General, the constant hovering of the child on the mom's breast the first few days and weeks - the key to her(mom) is fast coming back to normal and no bleeding. To regulate how much the child needs. Again, this depends on the speed of arrival of milk, but milk from mom is even more valuable for baby product - colostrum and let drip in the first number, but he needed the child, and the child in his exhaustion for her.
2. Is important not to give the child to a separate room in the hospital. That is, that he was with his parents, well at least with mom. Otherwise he a poor will scream and this is the first days of his life, but not only that. Further, the employees of the hospitals sometimes think that even mother and child to be in spec.wheelchair-crib - nonsense of course. Backyard at mom it better be. he would quietly and well. Proven expertise. Children in the hospital yelling out together in solidarity. Those that have a mom - just ask the chest to soothe and and all.
In some hospitals just bring babies for feeding - it is not the best option. No one has the right not to give the baby to a mother, even if her condition is not perfect. The truth is all it needs (including) my dad's help, at least (in extreme cases) to day incoming mode (home it is of course all much easier...). In General, you need to ask a child to him. If there is no confidence to go to look like they are there stacks of one and yell. They generally can not enter what is going on - walked into this world and then left them alone in some cradles but still wrapped (and movement binds and hot and wet - delirium shorter).
3. IN ANY CASE not to give birth of a child to lure syrup! not only that, it's not a good thing and can affect metabolic processes in the organism of the child (there is calculated that the first months he receives only milk), but then it's a long problem with feeding, perhaps for the entire period thereof. We known mothers who after the syrup all breast-feeding was performed through a bottle - the perversion is stimulated. First was decanted into it and then fed. Why? because of the nipple from the bottle flows quickly and simply by itself. Only swallowing. And from the breast - work to do child. And here again the question is not only the health and normal sleep parents (when the child is asleep - this is the normal sleep of the parents, if not to fool with feeding on the clock, or is there shifting it immediately after falling asleep in a separate bed, and when it should out of the bottle - it's not a dream, it's torture already), but it (the question is will it work by sucking milk or syrup or "ready" easily) and the question of identity formation and psychological types, i.e., the question forming the rest of his life. Ie, not joking.
Hospitals lure syrup all on the right and left. And to convince them that it is not necessary is possible, but would you believe it????? You may control it only if the child is with You.

In view of the foregoing it is not a process to be attributed to chance. Better all questions to discuss with your doctor if contact birth, if necessary with the head of the hospital and so on. You can always negotiate. Well, in a pinch for the money individually.
Especially with the legal side then you're always right.

And yet - in the process of childbirth it is advisable to control that the child is not pulling from the head, and that the birth was natural (of course nehrenovo if the mother was instructed courses on the topic of normal breathing and proper muscle function, wrong - then the bruises on his eyes and face in the nads is not a figurative expression but a fact of life, many do not know how the right muscles straining in vain attempts and allowed the tension in the face, and it trains well before birth, but... and more this is especially true when mom vision is not Tae or pressure of which is not). After birth, if doctors begin to sing songs about the muscle tone of the child or something else that is better out of p-CI and the hospital to a good pediatric osteopath is to remove the consequences of possible injuries at birth of the child.

postpartum is hard to swaddle a baby, it is generally a one piece jumpsuits or bodysuits with open legs on the buttons, open sleeves, of course - mittens on the child - the loss of tactile sensations to fingers, an important part in shaping his world view. Well, given the fact that hospitals are usually still hot, and often just diapers, enough clothes, another thing is that before discharge to screaming (they have the same shock will be) possible to wear.... by the way when the child does not have extra rags and diapers - a thing only for walking, no "diaper rash" which is constantly struggling young mothers have children "the normal cycle of cultivation" created by our civilization just does not happen. Diaper rash from the air to a body comes. But if the body is breathing - they just immediately pass.

if you have time - I highly recommend the Express pass though of course in some Walsh.REB, or wherever there will tell 10 times more than I do, there is one more issue what to take to the hospital and so on.
that's about it.

Oh, and you should understand that when dealing with the staff of the hospital should be good psychologists. It is not necessary to swing right, it turns counter-party. It is better to negotiate gently but persistently, i.e. to look somewhere persistent compromise with a shift in the right direction. Well, somewhere tough course to indicate its position. Anyway - the tone of communication plays an important role. Position of confrontation - it is not profitable. Better you feel peaceful cranks :)
By the way, in many hospitals, a lot of respect for those who come to birth KNOWING what will there be and knowing something. Because of the large mass of girls gets there with a complete lack of understanding for their actions and with zero information about the process.

in case the stay in the hospital contract (by the way there because the places where it is more or less expensive) then there will be significant relief for the fact that you can take with you and what things you can do to have your ( and power).
It was very funny to watch when for example in the same videnska the hospital to bring my mom has that first week is generally not recommended :) and that did not have allergies in the baby and because many of those or other problems during childbirth and going to the toilet - the problem is some (if not straining the seams on the breaks-cuts, which, as I said, more than real avoided altogether, and the weight-size of the child is not dependent, depends on the preparation of the body of the mother, nutrition, exercises, massage of the vaginal muscles).
So a bunch of things useful for the baby and mother should be brought (and even pre-cooked).
In some hospitals (see reviews in the net) generally transmission pipe without bribes.

hmm.. there are still things that I write on the forum probably can't :) then just tell.
In General described I think it is clear that literate parents stay at the hospital turns into a show :) to uphold the best algorithm of all... and it's tiring.
You need to understand that during childbirth the head of the woman is generally somewhere separately, she might not understand words and references. Ie hopes that it is at this time there is something logical to explain to the doctors - it's possible, but not the fact that all will. Communication with staff it is just for dad :)

Well to a little positive note to finish the anecdote from real life. Told friends (the girls in the profile of the group in LiveJournal wrote this story if I remember correctly, ie actually told the participant of events, given birth). Childbirth in the hospital. Protracted. The husband of the expectant mother from is in a semiconscious state (well, there are impressionable Pope) in short, the future Pope almost passed out. Mothers all goes not quite actively, for many hours, and the disclosure is not sufficient to give birth, she is very tired and the doctor recommends turning to her husband, "nipples, nipples massage" (it stimulates contractions of the uterus, stimulating contractions and opening the birth canal). A husband who nearly fainted himself and thinks apparently only about its condition, the eyes in a pile, slowly and resignedly starts to massage the nipples THEMSELVES :D :D :D :D :D :D
All of the staff and giving birth precipitate with laughter :) and childbirth immediately starts to go much bolder :) more precisely it is, if you remember wrote - "I, too, roared with laughter and after 10 minutes gave birth to :)".<

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Димас » Wed Feb 01, 2012 23:58

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Thank youMichael_
A special thank you!!!With the hospital decided like.The difficulty is that the wife suffered an attack of suppurative appendicitis with operation on 26 week of pregnancy.Can refuse in a conventional hospital and to send in hospital to avoid possible complications.

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Логик » Thu Feb 02, 2012 0:01

Димас wrote:the Difficulty is that the wife suffered an attack of suppurative appendicitis with operation on 26 week of pregnancy.Can refuse in a conventional hospital and to send in hospital to avoid possible complications.
DemAs, isn't on this website are instruments to influence the situation?

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Re: Vaccinations for children

Post by Димас » Thu Feb 02, 2012 0:11

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"God helps those who help themselves!" :)
Devices and systems help in different situations,the key word HELP implies a human action. I think it will be of little use to put me and the wife mind the car or some module and wait for it all there will be born and cut his umbilical cord, Russian literature refusing vaccinations. What's unusual is that I ask you to share the experience of "older" friends they have?

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