Sedona Method

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:45

Татьяна wrote:
Любовь wrote:Hard to say... I only read the first Chapter and then did not. While I do in General. Take the emotion and try to let go. Here, unfortunately, is still in my head can not understand how fear of something can be associated with the desire to make it happen? Because when I'm afraid I have something hurts, then I do not consciously want to, but it turns out that subconsciously impose??? Just don't understand.
In my head, too hard to wrap,but I think you should continue.
Andrew, too, wrote that can be stupid to repeat the questions.

Now know that most often get sick on their own.
At work problem or something you want to avoid,and suddenly sick.
And unless we want to hurt?
My posts on page 2 Healing
Read at 280 pages about the fear and try.

I think the point here is not that if You're afraid of something, you subconsciously want that to happen (although there are such options), and that all, what You focus on, multiplies, so if You are afraid, then the probability what You fear is increasing. Thus, at the onset of fear it is better to let go and focus on something good.

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 14:30

I think the point here is not that if You're afraid of something, you subconsciously want that to happen (although there are such options), and that all, what You focus on, multiplies, so if You are afraid, then the probability what You fear is increasing. Thus, at the onset of fear it is better to let go and focus on something good.

Thank You, Andrew.

I guess this is my case.
Explorer to listen to finished on Saturday. Two nights in a row sleeping only 2-3 hours!!! Just lie there and not sleep. But in the morning I feel fine, like it should be (although before after this there was a feeling of weakness, at least). However, the dark circles under the eyes. In addition, I got a sore throat.

Sedona for the most part helps to let go of your current emotions just now appeared, but working with old more difficult. My husband says that this plan is better than the BSFF. I wonder how better: yet to explore Sedona and later connect to this BSFF? Or rukovodstvuetsya only one method and not mix?

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 14:40

ЖСЛ wrote:
Любовь wrote:That, unfortunately, is still in my head can not understand how fear of something can be associated with the desire to make it happen? Because when I'm afraid I have something hurts, then I do not consciously want to, but it turns out that subconsciously impose??? Just don't understand.
Mr. Patrushev ask.. He thinks he knows the mechanism of PS.
That, unfortunately, is still in my head can not understand how fear of something can be associated with the desire to make it happen?
Do you think Sedona knows?

In this thread I'm interested in the opinion of Andrey Patrushev, Tatiana, Dimasa, Eugene Kosh and some other regulars of the forum who prefer to share experiences and advice, as well as those who are working on a method Sedona.
To Your post I say the first and last time.

PS: by the Way, You have a sense of self-importance?

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 15:01

Любовь wrote:
I think the point here is not that if You're afraid of something, you subconsciously want that to happen (although there are such options), and that all, what You focus on, multiplies, so if You are afraid, then the probability what You fear is increasing. Thus, at the onset of fear it is better to let go and focus on something good.
Thank You, Andrew. I guess this is my case.
Explorer to listen to finished on Saturday. Two nights in a row sleeping only 2-3 hours!!! Just lie there and not sleep. But in the morning I feel fine, like it should be (although before after this there was a feeling of weakness, at least). However, the dark circles under the eyes. In addition, I got a sore throat.
Sedona for the most part helps to let go of your current emotions just now appeared, but working with old more difficult. My husband says that this plan is better than the BSFF. I wonder how better: yet to explore Sedona and later connect to this BSFF? Or rukovodstvuetsya only one method and not mix?

Yes, at the beginning of the current, and then (I have pretty quickly) notice that the old left.
BSFF uses a fundamentally different approach to the psyche than the Sedona method, so they do not help. But can they each other to prevent, hard to say, so it is better to work with them at a time - master the first one, and then, if necessary,

and another.

By the way, I am a supporter, so to speak, canonical approach to practice methods. If it is written, - "release the death wish" or something else (reasons for fears), it is necessary to do as the author writes, no matter if You believe that You have such a desire, or not (incidentally, it's the same working with polarities

). If that method is not present, and to make it impossible, at least in the next three months of regular classes on this method. These rules I made. Perhaps for someone they not true, but if in three weeks you have not started to receive the first positive rezultaty that, or for You, this method is not suitable or You have changed something in this method, typically, in Your opinion, is immaterial

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Щёкн Итрч · Post by **Щёкн Итрч** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 15:14

Chukchi comes home from Moscow, we all gathered in the tent - forward stories.
- Guys, imagine what I learned in Moscow?!

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- It turns out that Karl Marx is one person, and the Glory of the CPSU-no man!

So, Sedona (in Paradise) is a place in the USA where, on the one hand, there is a lot of anomalous phenomena and UFOs, on the other hand, there is a huge number of spiritual and educational centers. Gail Dvoskin is the author of the book the Sedona Method is working with his team there. In the literal translation of the title of the book will sound Sedensky Method, but the translator apparently thought it was not quite harmonious.

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 17:19

Well, then continue with the Sedonas. At the same time I will be on the husband to look (he just started BSFF). Understand that critical evaluation is necessary to some extent to disconnect, i.e. to read and accept as is. Although this is very difficult because of the nature of activity and studies have always something to analyze or to do some digging and look for any errors...

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 17:55

Interestingly it turned out,reviewed the movie the Secret.so it says that when a person has no negative emotions,he has everything in life goes the way he wants and everything goes smoothly...I found this similarity with Sedonas!By the way,after reading the book and working on emotions,the film (and I already watched 6 times) is perceived VERY differently!!Let go of emotions it seems to work,I noticed that if you start to think about the emotions and ask him questions,get distracted,and emochka goes,even as it is so fun to do!I still like it!

Татьяна · Post by **Татьяна** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 0:58

Андрей Патрушев wrote:I think the point here is not that if You're afraid of something, you subconsciously want that to happen (although there are such options), and that all, what You focus on, multiplies, so if You are afraid, then the probability what You fear is increasing. Thus, at the onset of fear it is better to let go and focus on something good

I agree. In Sedona they say, "On a subconscious level we expect or desire what you're afraid of.Should we accept this-and we're free"
I think often we expect trouble and do not want them.The uncertainty raises questions-what if? Know for myself,hearing the voice of the son on the phone ,I calm down. Fear is the need for security. So you need to get rid of the requirements that I'm trying to do. And of course letting go of fear

Татьяна · Post by **Татьяна** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:21

Dimas wrote:Let go of emotions it seems to work,I noticed that if you start to think about the emotions and ask him questions,get distracted,and emochka goes,even as it is so fun to do!I still like it! Everything is fine!

Here and I about it wrote Several times to repeat and then you need to concentrate to ask a question,and he is lost,blurred,and with it emotion. Think about something else.
Yes.Yes, like that happy,fun becomes.But the other extreme to become impossible. Going in a straight line-step right,step left -nizya!

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:10

ZHSL - O Great Guru and Professor of psychological Sciences.I'm not going to argue with You.Caesar's to Caesar,and ZHSLthe vehicle Laushkina
... as they say...the Theme is called SEDONA METHOD,further comments not on topic will be perceived as spam and will go in the basket.Statements should ideally display the author's own experience when working with the method, the rest of "mental Masturbation"(sorry for being rude,but some panelists, this concept is most clear), speculation,unsubstantiated evidence of his innocence,rude remarks, etc. will be deleted,including my own.
Hello!!!

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:17

Wanted here's what else to note...I Remember one such procedure that chemically dependent people perform every evening,passing a course of rehabilitation.This action is called Analysis of Feelings.People throughout the day experiencing certain emotions,including many negative,the patient should keep a diary,where during the day it records all the feelings that he had,under what circumstances,with what or who related feelings.At the end of the day everyone is going,everyone in a circle reads out what he wrote there during the day.The leader of the group begins to ask questions,if something is written it becomes incomprehensible.The purpose of this lesson is to help people to understand that there are feelings,distinguish feelings from thoughts,to understand negative emotions and their causes...I thought it was too similar to the Sedona,though there was not speech about letting go,I think this happens automatically,with awareness, paying attention to any emotions...once again,I THOUGHT SO!

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:06

Dimas wrote:that's what I Wanted to notice...I Remember one such procedure that chemically dependent people perform every evening,passing a course of rehabilitation.This action is called Analysis of Feelings.People throughout the day experiencing certain emotions,including many negative,the patient should keep a diary,where during the day it records all the feelings that he had,under what circumstances,with what or who related feelings.At the end of the day everyone is going,everyone in a circle reads out what he wrote there during the day.The leader of the group begins to ask questions,if something is written it becomes incomprehensible.The purpose of this lesson is to help people to understand that there are feelings,distinguish feelings from thoughts,to understand negative emotions and their causes...I thought it was too similar to the Sedona,though there was not speech about letting go,I think this happens automatically,with awareness, paying attention to any emotions...once again,I THOUGHT SO!

This method has one minusik... not everyone in the group will be able to tell others about their emotions. Too personal sometimes, when it seems that others do not understand. On the other hand, engage in a group or at least with a partner is more effective as it is easier to understand the origins of emotions, and you can help each other.
Although I'm not sure that it allows you to release rather leads to it.. But the difference of feelings and thoughts is interesting. Sometimes, on about any emotions start to invent something and to assume, as a result, these thoughts evoke a number of emotions, indirectly related to the first... ugh, never-ending process of some kind.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:28

I was a few years ago discovered (probably there are achievements someone) this technique works with the emotions - I could taste it. For example, was something that ought to cause aesthetic offense - when just beginning to emerge is a sense we need to first drink a SIP and savor it.... Feel the taste of oschusheniya in the body, smell and so and then there is the opportunity to make a decision - to let this feeling (emotions) to grow and get stronger or let him into your more...
A bit confusing I wrote. But it works.

Крапива · Post by **Крапива** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:54

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Above I wrote.

By the way, the insult on the taste of sour, angry and bitter... but everyone is probably different

Татьяна · Post by **Татьяна** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 22:55

Гость wrote:I have a few years ago discovered (probably there are achievements someone) this technique works with the emotions - I could taste it. For example, was something that ought to cause aesthetic offense - when just beginning to emerge is a sense we need to first drink a SIP and savor it.... Feel the taste of oschusheniya in the body, smell and so and then there is the opportunity to make a decision - to let this feeling (emotions) to grow and get stronger or let him into your more...

In the method the Sedona there are 3 of perception-visual,auditory and kineticheskoi.Kineticheskoi perception is physical sensation.
Only in the Sedona method, the emotion, accept and then let go

Крапива · Post by **Крапива** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:42

Hmm. it turns out I, not knowing Sedonas use. As I accept the emotion (taste), and then let go...

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 15:05

Андрей Патрушев wrote:
Любовь wrote:
I think the point here is not that if You're afraid of something, you subconsciously want that to happen (although there are such options), and that all, what You focus on, multiplies, so if You are afraid, then the probability what You fear is increasing. Thus, at the onset of fear it is better to let go and focus on something good.
Thank You, Andrew. I guess this is my case.
Explorer to listen to finished on Saturday. Two nights in a row sleeping only 2-3 hours!!! Just lie there and not sleep. But in the morning I feel fine, like it should be (although before after this there was a feeling of weakness, at least). However, the dark circles under the eyes. In addition, I got a sore throat.
Sedona for the most part helps to let go of your current emotions just now appeared, but working with old more difficult. My husband says that this plan is better than the BSFF. I wonder how better: yet to explore Sedona and later connect to this BSFF? Or rukovodstvuetsya only one method and not mix?
Yes, at the beginning of the current, and then (I have pretty quickly) notice that the old left.
BSFF uses a fundamentally different approach to the psyche than the Sedona method, so they do not help. But can they each other to prevent, hard to say, so it is better to work with them at a time - master the first one, and then, if necessary, and another.

By the way, I am a supporter, so to speak, canonical approach to practice methods. If it is written, - "release the death wish" or something else (reasons for fears), it is necessary to do as the author writes, no matter if You believe that You have such a desire, or not (incidentally, it's the same working with polarities ). If that method is not present, and to make it impossible, at least in the next three months of regular classes on this method. These rules I made. Perhaps for someone they not true, but if in three weeks you have not started to receive the first positive rezultaty that, or for You, this method is not suitable or You have changed something in this method, typically, in Your opinion, is immaterial

Hello, Andrey.
There was one, I think, a legitimate question. Regarding the combination of BSFF, and Sedona. In the rainbow program are You using and BSFF-text and Sedona-phrase. And then you write that they each other did not help... How so?<

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 19:23

Любовь wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:
Любовь wrote: Thank You, Andrew. I guess this is my case.
Explorer to listen to finished on Saturday. Two nights in a row sleeping only 2-3 hours!!! Just lie there and not sleep. But in the morning I feel fine, like it should be (although before after this there was a feeling of weakness, at least). However, the dark circles under the eyes. In addition, I got a sore throat.
Sedona for the most part helps to let go of your current emotions just now appeared, but working with old more difficult. My husband says that this plan is better than the BSFF. I wonder how better: yet to explore Sedona and later connect to this BSFF? Or rukovodstvuetsya only one method and not mix?
Yes, at the beginning of the current, and then (I have pretty quickly) notice that the old left.
BSFF uses a fundamentally different approach to the psyche than the Sedona method, so they do not help. But can they each other to prevent, hard to say, so it is better to work with them at a time - master the first one, and then, if necessary, and another.

By the way, I am a supporter, so to speak, canonical approach to practice methods. If it is written, - "release the death wish" or something else (reasons for fears), it is necessary to do as the author writes, no matter if You believe that You have such a desire, or not (incidentally, it's the same working with polarities ). If that method is not present, and to make it impossible, at least in the next three months of regular classes on this method. These rules I made. Perhaps for someone they not true, but if in three weeks you have not started to receive the first positive rezultaty that, or for You, this method is not suitable or You have changed something in this method, typically, in Your opinion, is immaterial
Hello, Andrey.
There was one, I think, a legitimate question. Regarding the combination of BSFF, and Sedona. In the rainbow program are You using and BSFF-text and Sedona-phrase. And then you write that they each other did not help... How so?

Duck because I changed the text there.

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Алекс78 · Post by **Алекс78** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 15:35

Андрей Патрушев wrote: Duck because I changed the text there.

Excuse me, but it is possible here more in detail...?

,
I now work separately with BSFF. The user manual was taken from the Rainbow, but its a little tweaked. Comparing two texts, I came to the conclusion that
You added a paragraph towards the end starting with "Our brain is able to explore ..", etc., and removed the installation on the subject of yawning, did I understand You correctly?
Yes.

Алекс78 · Post by **Алекс78** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 23:50

Have I replied to myself??? !!!
Oh the HORROR.. I'm a lunatic

Любовь · Post by **Любовь** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 23:54

Awww... The Moderators...
Strange things are happening on the forum.. Then the whole theme disappear (well, let's say they specifically removed the need), the messages themselves are responsible... it's strange

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:35

Алекс78 wrote: Have I replied to myself??? !!!
Oh the HORROR.. I'm a lunatic

Blame the wrong button pressed...

Татьяна · Post by **Татьяна** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 22:32

All was quiet! Sedona method master!
Yesterday I listened to the Healing at night. If before I was shivery,yesterday everything was fine.
Only woke up a few times during the night,but got up easily and cheerfully.
And the day before that was free from resistance. I repeat questions how many turns out. Recently got rid of the fear that was turning to panic.
But repeated questions 9 times.Until fear is back.
Love also wrote that Sedonas after Explorer easier..

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:51

All awesome works!Practice week.Many things are absolutely ceased to strain,look,even sleep was somehow different!!!!!Sedona - mega vesch!!!!!

Татьяна · Post by **Татьяна** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 19:45

ЖСЛ wrote:do not believe that removing the root cause can be from something really brush

ЖСЛ wrote:
Coordinatable: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:49 am post subject: Reply with quote
Dimas wrote(a):
All awesome works!Practice week.Many things are absolutely ceased to strain,look,even sleep was somehow different!!!!!Sedona - mega vesch!!!!! Everything is fine!
And to compare? Wink

After all everything is relative(

I feel sorry for You,ZHSL! And I can't believe it and nothing to compare with.
No Sedonas or a Gopher You are doing And understand we can't!
But there is a solution -to remove their ambitions and try the Sedona method.