ALTARIA.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 0:45

Александр86
You also pay for long-term research, for licensing, for the construction of a plant for the production of medical equipment, etc to develop nothing, its what the Lord God from heaven descended to us, or what?

Opensource projects, eh, well, that's what a habit other people's money count? Compared medical device and player

Know how much it costs to get permission to manufacture and sell medical devices to undergo clinical studies etc., by the way, time also can be measured by money. Now we count How much people spend on anti-depressants, sleeping pills, cigarettes, and then other medications that are supposed to "treat" the fact that the person earned, antidepressants, hypnotics, etc. (outgoing health risk estimate?)... And now take 8700 RUB and divide by 24 months-2 years and 30 (days in a month)... (warranty period and the appliance will continue to work, too,but without the safeguards,well in General it applies to all electronics), and it turns out that within two years we will daily spend 12 rubles .08 cents on their health and well-being. And how much do we save?
there you have it, try smotrert wider

Александр86 · Post by **Александр86** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:29

Compared the medical device and player

Well, I compared the appliance and appliance - like to be honest

Dimas wrote: You also pay for long-term research, for licensing, for the construction of a plant for the production of medical equipment, etc to develop nothing, its what the Lord God from heaven descended to us, or what?

And iPod ? It also developed, build factories, license technology, marketing, advertising and more

How to develop it is necessary nothing

Here I mean that it's a simple electrophoresis, doesn't it? Everything has already been invented.

opensource projects, Eh, well, that's what a habit other people's money count?

Well, why not someone else? I just think their money - after all, I pay for it!

As you can see the comparison with the iPod: very correct.

Александр86 · Post by **Александр86** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:33

Dimas wrote:Now calculate: How much people spend on anti-depressants, sleeping pills, cigarettes, and then other medications that are supposed to "treat" the fact that the person earned, antidepressants, hypnotics, etc. (outgoing health risk estimate?)... And now take 8700 RUB and divide by 24 months-2 years and 30 (days in a month)... (warranty period and the appliance will continue to work, too,but without the safeguards,well in General it applies to all electronics), and it turns out that within two years we will daily spend 12 rubles .08 cents on their health and well-being. And how much do we save?

Well, you're painted as the cure for all ills ...
Besides, what if it fails? We get 12 rubles of losses as much as 2 years

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 13:13

Александр86
the iPod did not require clinical studies, that's what I mean. And trade players and medical equipment are two big differences as speak in Odessa.

Here I meant that it's a simple electrophoresis, doesn't it? Everything has already been invented.

Transcranial electrical stimulation (TES) — impact on the structure of the brain stem pulse currents of small amplitude (up to 3mA) with a rectangular bipolar asymmetric pulse shape.

This impact leads to the activation of the alpha rhythms of the brain normalization other brain biorhythms, increasing the concentration of serotonin,acetylcholine, met-enkephalin and beta-endorphins. Activation of the alpha rhythms of the brain (in the range 8-12 Hz) leads to a state of relaxation, which reduces tension, stress, normal mood, perception governed by different types of pain.
So it's not a simple electrophoresis. If You are interested in is the electrophoresis, You can go to the district hospital and receive a free referral for this type of procedure

And my iPod ? It also developed, build factories, license technology, marketing, advertising and more

Okay, then what's stopping You make your own device, pass all licensing, clinical research and sell cheaper? We gladly would have bought You such a device, and sold for the money that You would recommend

Well, you're painted as the cure for all ills ...

We are not painted, and the professionals who conducted research and received appropriate conclusions based on the observation of the subjects.

we get 12 rubles of losses as much as 2 years

So for You the glass is half empty..?

Александр86 · Post by **Александр86** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 14:43

Dimas wrote: the iPod did not require clinical studies, that's what I mean. And trade players and medical equipment are two big differences as speak in Odessa.

Yes, he demanded of other studies.
This medical equipment - the same appliance, mikroshemka + battery, just easier... so the difference in the production here, except that the process ipoda complicated and expensive.

Transcranial electrical stimulation (TES) — the impact on the structure of the brain stem pulse currents of small amplitude (up to 3mA) with a rectangular bipolar asymmetric pulse shape.

Yes, you can call it whatever you like, the principle is simple - a current beat. Any "crown" to the language try

Okay, then what's stopping You make your own device, pass all licensing, clinical research and sell cheaper? We gladly would have bought You such a device, and sold for the money that You would recommend

Well, this is a typical excuse of "do it better".
PR of AVTOVAZ to the question, why is shit Yes, at that price, you might as well be answered. And I think you and them would disagree.

So for You the glass is half empty..?

Don't quite understand ... For me the glass is either full or empty. i.e. the device either works or not. But I didn't want to put samnenia performance, I asked: why is it so expensive? Because in my subjective opinion the red price it 4000.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 14:46

Александр86

I understand.

Накс · Post by **Накс** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 14:12

Question to the developers.
The earlobes are multiple cysts of the sebaceous glands. Surgery is needed.
Is it safe to use this device in this situation?
And whether the device is effective after surgery?

Лукас · Post by **Лукас** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 17:22

I have a question: acute depression no, but often, overly irritated, first say, then think,a lot of fuss, at work sometimes a stupor, reluctant to do anything, can't gather my thoughts, well, in General common problems of the urban dweller. Sometimes, often worry for no reason, so much so that knocks in temples. In the summer I went to driving school, drive turns out bad, again, probably due to internal unrest. In General, sometimes in life I feel insecure. As you see, ALTARIA help?

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 17:38

Lucas
I think I should help you, where she go

сергин · Post by **сергин** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 21:11

And will Alfaria just boost confidence, well, there is communication and stuff?
And there was still here such question: I heard that in Bashkiria has invented a method of treatment of psychological disorders based on the technology using alpha waves (like ALTARIA?), but there's ,like, patients removed individual alpha brain waves, stitched in music and recorded on disc. So, it was something individual about each person alpha waves. Most likely I something did not understand, but I would like to hear your opinion.
And at the expense of delivery: do you deliver mail?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 21:47

is it possible when buying Alfaria to choose the disks j.Thompson?
drives Andrei Patrushev already has everything (

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 23:03

sergin
Yes,mail delivery is possible.
To better understand what is ALTARIA, read here:
http://www.mindmachine.ru/alpharia/index.htm
About personal alpha waves..or You something not so understood,or Bashkir inventor of the "not so" explained

Guest
unfortunately, the gift is provided only drives A. Patrushev. But in very rare cases we can make exceptions for our loyal customers

Альфа · Post by **Альфа** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:52

Накс wrote:Question to the developers.
The earlobes are multiple cysts of the sebaceous glands. Surgery is needed.
Is it safe to use this device in this situation?
And whether the device is effective after surgery?

Recommend surgery is to tighten and to apply the device after surgery. Application Alfaria will be effective: after all, we do not act on the skin in the earlobes, and use of the earlobes as the most affordable and easy way of supplying the excitation on one branch of the trigeminal nerve.

сергин · Post by **сергин** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 18:12

Dimas
Thanks, decided to take a month after that

наира · Post by **наира** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:50

to write that produce serotonin, endorphins, etc. is always possible, but who is checking? was conducted research, at least using EEG and what are their results? I asked, as a physician, I was not sent anything except one article where the device was used after disorders of cerebral circulation.
devices Transair - at least in the Institute of physiology was studied carefully and the articles very much. I would like more scientific articles and the results of applying Alfaria, not commercials. In addition, the lobes of the ears, there are many reflex points - how it affects them and other bodies associated with them?
Probably tests were conducted using the EEG, confirming the production of alpha-rhythm under the action of the apparatus. Where can I read the results?
And it was proven that the application of the apparatus through the earlobes, not the point of the head(as Transaero ) has a similar effect?
In General more studies want, not advertising. Waiting for an answer. With respect

Альфа · Post by **Альфа** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 13:02

Naira
Good day!
These studies were conducted. Please let us know the email address to which you can send You article.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 13:03

alpha
Can these articles to post here or give references to them?

МерКаБа · Post by **МерКаБа** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 13:44

Dimas
Please tell me how much a set of spare electrodes?
Thank you.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 13:45

Merkaba
250.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 13:53

Dimas wrote:250 rubles.

By the way, given the fact that they deteriorate after 10-15 sessions, and the meter leads are not very soft 2 clips and the connector that it's expensive!

Will there be a price reduction due to mass production?
at the price of 100-150 rubles, you would have been on every 3-5 sessions to use the new electrodes:)

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 14:00

Жека3000
Why spoil?I have at home and in our office the devices are used once a day - nothing is wasted

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 14:04

Dimas wrote:Why deteriorate?

My pillows are darkened and began to break away and a bit rzhavchiny covered zhelezyachki.

Dimas wrote:at my home and at our office the devices are used once a day

And were there any cases like the one I described in the topic "contra"?

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 14:26

Жека3000

my pillows are darkened and began to break away and a bit rzhavchiny covered zhelezyachki.

did not notice.

was there a cases like the one I described in the topic "contra"?

not heard.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 14:28

Dimas wrote:never noticed

I have so!

Dimas wrote:not heard

Now I heard!

Т@ня · Post by **Т@ня** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:13

And I machine helps...despite the fact that you don't feel the claimed ease and tranquillity during the session!

I guess everyone has their own feelings!!!
Here's a question: I bought 2 sets of spare electrodes. It is strange that proizvoditeley the announced price of 400 rubles, and You have 250. What's the catch????