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Post by Идущая вперед » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:02

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oooooooo have You got a poltergeist fouled :) :)

never mix CDs and session... is fraught with overdose of headache and pain :) :) :)
disks separate session separately, the difference between 3 hours....
for thrill-seekers... take the disk...stick in there somewhere.... start the device... connect with mm.... for mm include the session you want Selenite(Thistle)... 10-60 minutes begins to pop the head off (because if you put a conductor which is in the alpha session and theta meditation as a result of the difference in frequencies is it that??? :wiz :wiz :wiz
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Post by Евгений Кош » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:05

Андрей Патрушев wrote:especially in the unconscious. :) These programs exist only in Your mind and more...
Andrew, how did you understand the research Habarta?
Where then, in your understanding, are stored engram?

"Engram (Dianetics by definition) is a complete, down to the smallest details, record every sensation before the moment of complete or partial unconsciousness, causing further aberration in humans (disconnect from rational thought or behavior)."

For example, here here, very well understood, and described themselves Grammy
http://runa-odin.narod.ru/rr5.htm
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My experience indicates that "engram" as such and the consequences of its work, is not even worth to ignore.
But the layers in which they are stored - I'm very interested to hear your opinion.
Because in my work with engrams, interaction model with records engram is through the concept of memory layers of the subconscious where it is recorded.

Using the same model is working on its definition ( the Query to the files of the subconscious mind) the definition of the word-key dates of its occurrence and damage in the body ( in fact.and subtle bodies) caused by the action of the engram.

(the model is working, as evidenced by the practice of working on such a model for over 10 years the people with whom I personally communicate and see the results of their work.. and how she exists at all - probably the same as dowsing )

p.s. according to the experience of more experienced colleagues, engrams of prenatal, delivery, and 0-5 years of life, are root causes of many diseases period of time.

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Post by Артемчик » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:02

Yes, the article is very interesting, has anyone tried this method to erase engrams?
Is there any methods other than the therapy of Dianetics and the same ease and efficiency?

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Post by Артемчик » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:05

Идущая вперед wrote:oooooooo have You got a poltergeist fouled



never mix CDs and session... is fraught with overdose of headache and pain

disks separate session separately, the difference between 3 hours....

for thrill-seekers... take the disk...stick in there somewhere.... start the device... connect with mm.... for mm include the session you want Selenite(Thistle)... 10-60 minutes begins to pop the head off (because if you put a conductor which is in the alpha session and theta meditation as a result of the difference in frequencies is it that???

Stewed fruit soup

(sorry, on a diet so the images all grace-vkusnaya)
And if the alpha with the alpha mix?

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Post by Евгений Кош » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:53

Артемчик wrote:Yes, the article is very interesting, has anyone tried this method to erase engrams?
Try and try :)
Hobart introduces definitions which can be laid like a model in PS for further work on recognition of PS such pathogens within the model.
But the methods further work with engrams - not necessarily take the proposed Habarta (a very dangerous circuit).
You can take the same method Sinelnikov. I really think that he has proved himself on the positive side. Moreover, as I remember, even Andrew works 6-step method :) But, IMHO, this method is not effective enough for point of impact.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Wed Jul 15, 2009 15:09

I don't like the model of the subconscious Hubbard - she shettima.
I again assert that in the subconscious there is nothing negative. All the negativity is just my interpretation of the consciousness of certain phenomena and processes aimed at survival in this world. Do not look for enemies inside, and that in fact "each will be rewarded according to his faith"... :?

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Post by Евгений Кош » Wed Jul 15, 2009 15:17

Андрей Патрушев wrote:I don't like the model of the subconscious Hubbard - she shettima.
I again assert that in the subconscious there is nothing negative. All the negativity is just my interpretation of the consciousness of certain phenomena and processes aimed at survival in this world. Do not look for enemies inside, and that in fact "each will be rewarded according to his faith"... :?
OK.
1. The concept of negativity is not entered. Is the concept of ineffectiveness of actions in a given situation leading to certain consequences.
2. Interpretation occurs on the basis of input data ( about the possible Reactions, including the Unconscious), where is it located?
3. How, then work 6-step method if the PS there are no programs (models) that can be ( and it works, you yourself gave examples regarding the reaction to tear gas) in terms of the choice of the WAY of their performance?

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All the negativity is just my interpretation of the consciousness of certain phenomena and processes aimed at survival in this world
The essence of the question. :) For me it does not matter how to call these phenomena or processes, the main thing that can be divided into processes that positively affect the system as a whole, or negatively - in the overall assessment of the same PS.
How is it determined? It's quite accessible. Introduce the concept of "system resilience" here and now. the concept of sustainability entered the state of healthy body ( when all processes in the body are effective), including processes occurring in the subtle bodies. ( the same connection between the chakras and between the subtle bodies). This figure is taken as 100%. and 0% is a complete lack of system coherence.
Then , realizing this model (as proposed for PS) it is possible to ask the subconscious (SC), using the same method of digital signals. "what now I have a measure of the stability of the system ? 0-10%? 10-20?" etc.
You will get quite a visible assessment of SS of internal processes.
We can to work with it to determine what would happen if ... the same food. What will happen if you eat this salad? The resistance decrease? will increase? will remain the same?
Same thing regarding the "condensed experience" obtained earlier.
Take for example some traumatic life event ( a quarrel or something like that). Ask about the stability of the system BEFORE it and after .. And you can even ask how much this situation has affected (and affects) the stability at the moment.
What am I doing?
It is quite difficult to deny the same religious purification system from situations through repentance and asking for forgiveness.
What do they work? I do not argue that the EVALUATION of a particular situation resulting in certain processes in man ( as in the system) . BUT! Then where are these "estimates" that trigger a particular response? I do not think that consciously :) Because human reaction to the offender is at the level of the INTERNAL reactions and is often not understandable , because consciously - man forgave the offender. But still the reaction is till you work with the subconscious.
That is, the goal that you set in the "Explorer" - reprogrammable, with which layers of consciousness it works? with a Conscious response, or all the same already with unconscious processes taking into account previous experience? (this question is not proof, and the question for understanding your views. Personally, I just think it's in THERE somewhere (in the files of the subconscious mind, with the mark - it was bad). The main thing that this remark "was bad" you can work, turning it at least "did not CARE" :) thus changing the chain (and sometimes very long) of related Reactions, including that can affect the body as a whole).<

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Post by Артемчик » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:16

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And you can link to these methods? I do respect Hubbard invented Dianetics he practically made a revolution in the advancement of mental health, but his followers made it into a good business. You have to pay a lot of money that would fully use the therapy with the professional auditors. Self-application is of little use.
I know there is a term somediing whether it has something to do with the above-described techniques?

About the conductor has learned the following.
The handler gives the opportunity to make a choice between one or another behavior. Earlier some of the things I do instinctively and thoughtlessly, reflexively. Now, in the same situations as me on the screen shows a few options of my reactions to certain events, including the option that was previously out of reflex.
The goal certainly put a positive, but neither came to any. The very formulation of the positive goals is already well :)

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Post by Артемчик » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:49

Евгений Кош wrote:you Can take the same method Sinelnikov. I really think that he has proved himself on the positive side.
And the efficiency is the same as for Hubbard?
And why do You think the methods of Dianetics threat?
IMHO I think that the most effective way is just "climb" in to the core engram is to realize it and thereby to erase, let it even be associated with unpleasant sensations. In addition to engrams there are still many other malicious installations that do not have in their structure a verbal command such as painful emotions or imitation of life "defender".
You can certainly start praying and repent of all your sins, in the monastery even to leave, but who knows how many will take the time (maybe all life) something has changed in the subconscious. Man is created for happiness like a bird for flight.
I agree with Andrew that there is nothing in man negative, negative only what the man himself considers to be negative. Just hard all my life to follow this principle.
And like Andrew the world in one unit. Evolution eventually lead to the ideal state of his soul and body without any interference. And now all that is considered irrational behavior is normal for our age, a condition that is rooted in those times when the person walked in the shoes of the wands, then early man, these engrams were useful for their survival in difficult conditions.

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Post by Евгений Кош » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:16

I agree with Andrew that there is nothing in man negative, negative only what the man himself considers to be negative.
The fact of the matter is that he can't understand why happened with Andrew to focus on. (or so I thought), but from your response I see that I thought one did not :)

This statement is not discussed with me for a long time.
Because it does not make sense ( in this literal notion of "a negative").
I would like to remove the focus from this and move it to the very essence - where is that again makes a person Reactive to repeat the situation which leads to inefficient (on the basis of the result) action?

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:44

Артемчик wrote:Dear friends!
Can you please tell or give a link where it says about the combination of MM sessions with a listening guide and how the effectiveness of this.
It seems to be not here discussed.
I want to try the alpha sessions to listen, you can do it? And what color glasses is most suitable for Conductor?

Listen to day 8 the Explorer the impression that some force prevents me from doing it: then the batteries will sit in the player, it is full of "woodpecker" begins to batter the wall somewhere nearby while listening, yesterday contact went away and all this is somewhere in the 40-50 minute.
And everything is OK - much better state than it was before - calm. :aa
Explorer integrated its session, it is only a SELECT button to go to mode AUS.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:34

Hubbard to the methodology appeared in the 50-ies of the last century. Just finished the War and in the minds of virtually the entire world is firmly entrenched in military thinking - the enemy, evil, to destroy, to erase from the face of the earth, etc. etc. and indeed Hubbard was an officer in the...
Judging by the results of studies of the brain (electric irritation of different zones), the whole experience, not just the engramic ever written on all the channels of the senses, like on tape, and any experience you can access at any time, under certain conditions... Engramic experience in some way isolated from the rest of the experience (which takes additional energy)...
Again according to Hubbard, - if the person is in a high tone, no engrams do not appear under any circumstances. As soon as one went down the tone scale, then that's when it all climbs.
Thus, IMHO, the problem is not to erase this experience, and to integrate with the rest, thus gaining possession of additional resources and energy. And integration is possible only if the person is in a high tone (about what Hubbard was repeatedly mentioned), otherwise you can only exacerbate the situation.
Now from the point of view of neurology. People with psychological trauma has a powerful suppression of the alpha rhythm of the brain and a significant functional asymmetry. Often during the alpha session is a "reactivation" of the traumatic experience, but on the background of relaxation and alpha waves, it passes gently enough, and next time even softer and completely transformered... Maybe prenatal cases and have a place on Hubbard (which I personally doubt), but IMHO, it's probably nadergat other people's pictures (again according to Hubbard) as another great Explorer of the prenatal experience - Stanislav Grof has never met anything like this...
Of psychological methods, in my opinion, effective and sustainable work in this vein, the same 6-step reframing and its interpretation (Holodynamics and Sinelnikov), EMDR, TAT, Deep peat (no ranking). And then, as they say, the only thing is - who had studied... :)<

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Post by Евгений Кош » Thu Jul 16, 2009 15:18

From Grof presented a little differently - as a system of condensed experience. (more easier to call them blocks).

Although the same Holodynamics offers to "negotiate" these blocks together :)
For me, subjectively, the game of words "to agree, to deprogram, to erase the" not so important. Because the meaning changes is the same. By itself, the information to erase (IMHO) is not possible. It is possible to change the emotional component thereby this experience with the concept of "engram" (which implies a non-effective response) is changed to the concept of just - experience. Thus freeing the flow of energy.
This if you ask PS (subconscious) until the retracting ingame "how many have existing engrams period 0-1 year of life", that is, for example xxx. And if you ask "how much do I have any engrams in the period from 0-1 year of life",figure there will be another :) It will mean that some engrams for whatever consequences resulting experience has passed into the rank of a simple experience, and left with the rank of experience with a specific blocking content.
But, considering the same 6-step method, Holodynamic, Sinelnikov. There is the same work by "erasing" the previous filling of the situation in the new, by asking SS about the change of behaviour (reaction) to the situation. Through the implementation of (proposal) for the new behavior.


But the question was different :)
And in General we both already answered it.
Tape records is in the subconscious.
Work to access it ( in both directions) is through the subconscious.
Changes in the reaction also goes through the subconscious.

The experience is not erased, and integrates ( for me this means a little more - it is cleared from the emotional component,which again and again can lead to imbalance ). About the tone - it's a different story. You can certainly cut device with reduced efficiency ( due to leakage of energy due to breakage) is not 110 volt and 250 having better performance and will not notice that his efficiency is still low. IMHO it's closing your eyes to reality.

Andrew, thanks for the replies :)<

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Post by Скайнет » Thu Jul 16, 2009 18:09

The choice of color?

What color is best suited to the Conductor?

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I'm afraid to seem boring, but the terms (erasing and integration) in this case represent a completely different approach (neither I nor anyone else here don't know what You have in mind :)) and different methodology (like effects).
6 stepper reframing absolutely nothing is erased, and only :) there is a new way of behavior (according to the method three :)), and the subconscious mind the right to choose - to use the old or the new, depending on the context. Thus, to the subconscious, we are showing trust and respect, since we do not consider old (Your negative) behaviour bad, bad, stupid, harmful, etc., etc., and just ineffective for a number of contexts (which for some reason, the subconscious believes is similar and applies to them the same way). We recognize that in some contexts (even for one), this method is adequate and can be applied (the choice of the subconscious).
Otherwise, our subconscious mind is to blame for poor implementation of the soih of official duties, :) what, according to cultural traditions (imbibed with mother's milk) shall be punished with all the attendant consequences for us... So I want to emphasize again that neither the subconscious or in the unconscious negative programs not and can not be, unless we do them there DELIBERATELY no shove.
And about the high tone is, in my opinion, a key question, and I imagine it not as the efficiency of the device is spoiled, and like a hologram recorded on the same plate, but with a different reference beam. And if the first - a dark gloomy castle under the low clouds on the dirty swamp, on the second - beautiful white stone town in the green Sunny valley, where the atmosphere of dobrozhelatelnost and mutual... :?
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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jul 16, 2009 18:59

Th-then I fell off automatic authorization. :oops:

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Thu Jul 16, 2009 19:02

Скайнет wrote:Selection color?

What color is best suited to the Conductor?

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Purple :)

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Post by Евгений Кош » Thu Jul 16, 2009 21:54

Anonymous wrote:Eugene Kosh
I'm afraid to seem boring, but the terms (erasing and integration) in this case represent a completely different approach (neither I nor anyone else here don't know what You have in mind :)) and different methodology (like effects).

Andrei Patrushev
I understand.
My opinion - we're talking about the same thing, only in different words , and with small nuances :)

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Post by Артемчик » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:48

In my opinion, even very simple people - it's all the same animal, only with the mind, one chooses to live on animal law and to react to like Pavlov's dog or to live according to the laws of the mind, and the mind selects from a million solutions to the rational, which is all well and myself and others.
Hubbard himself said that the strong engram in certain States of consciousness (high levels of emotional tone) can be transformed into positive energy.
So will be hard to cheer yourself up, and do not pay attention to the circumstances.
"Fun to whistle in the fire of his own apartment" :D

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Post by Даниил » Fri Jul 17, 2009 22:02

Good evening,dear friends.Please answer the question:just finished listening to guide,it is VERY DEEPLY rooted in the alpha breathing almost stopped breathing it was not simple needs(such as it was at the auditions magic Monroe at 27),it felt just incredible pain in my temples,I think it's because of the lack of oxygen to the brain.I got scared and dispersed breath,the pain subsided,but the impression is not pleasant(thought we all came :shock: ).Childhood was vnutricerepnae pressure.To listen was rather big load at the gym,then a hot bath. What I can advise,is it possible to enter deeply into the alpha?Whether it is possible to do if you transferred VD(is not worried)? bc Thanks in advance to all responded! P. S:had water,but a little(150-200ml),when dispersed breath, the dry trees appeared terrible,his mouth literally everything is dry.After listening to drank like half a liter. [/code]

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Post by Идущая вперед » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:38

Regular Sunday summer morning...noon.... In a stuffy Moscow melted asphalt.... Heat and fire... the sun is a big city which burns and consumes the heart...when you go outside – it seems that a huge number of tiny fiery petals begins to heat your skin to white... and the skin begins to give off water in response...
I'm alone in the apartment...the Whole family in the country... well in the heat lying in the hammock under the Apple tree in the garden and feel all the molecules atoms quarks of the body as just well to live in the world.... Just to catch the moment – an amazing moment between past and future...
The reason the apartment is apparently simple.... It's jam.... Jam cherry and raspberry jam... all over the floor posted this sweet, full-bodied... a familiar smell of childhood... he's warming to the soul and reveals the soul to meet it's delicious... the incomparable...the smell of raspberry and cherry...and accord to it such a slick astringency in the sea of sweetness mixed with the smell of newly brewed coffee with cinnamon.
In between boiling jam take the disc Explorer... put it in the player...
put on the headphones and find yourself in another world.... This is the world of perceptions and illusions...images and archetypes... it is somewhere in the middle of the head... in the heart of the brain....After the words – and now you spiral down down and toward the center in the depth I sink into some dark space.... I understand that my body is still lying on the couch and it has not gone anywhere – I is a white shell of my body.... translucent and flying.... Light and realizing...
Dark... I begin to discern a dim light in this dim light seeping outlines of dark houses... he's a multi-storey... there are a lot of floors... and the lower the floor, the darker and scarier... I'm on the roof.... And I realize... just realize – that this house - is my subconscious. And the floors in this house are layers of my subconscious... And the top floor is practically on the surface... something that is attracted to consciousness...
Get down from the roof to the top floor....dark stairs... and in a room of about 20 meters, without Windows and doors on the floor were scattered little black bundles of energy... they're not really black... they shimmer in black and gray energy...with torn edges and tongues of black flame... three of the clot more than others in size.... They seem to me...
Hey... I fear death..
Hello... I fear the pain of your...
-finally you came... I'm your biggest fear... fear of the unexplained and the unknown...the fact that you're already 9 years trying to drown himself.... Then what you're struggling with sleepless nights... for instance in itself the images are not of the material world... when you realize one simple thing? Good and evil, black and white, top and bottom, right and left, light and darkness, life and death – all in the world exists only in order to achieve dynamic Equilibrium, harmony and balance... and you my dear a clear bias toward the light of goodness and white...
Suddenly they began to come at me... they rushed to my shell violently and openly.... All at the same time... and I was in a horrible Chinese movie jumped spinning around its axis and hung from the ceiling – shoving these black essence hands feet head and with all my heart....
Suddenly tired... I'm tired of jumping... the entity is not going away... they were not fewer – but more did not become... static picture froze and I quietly sank to the floor... black oak laminate...
I leaned wearily against the wall... fears clung to the wall opposite... huddled in a shapeless pile and quietly and plaintively squeaking...
-let's talk... I turned to my chief fear – the fear of the unknown... here you've been sitting here for the rest of my life from the first moment of awareness... you've grown so big and fat... you're a part of me... come to me.... he came.... Leaned over and began to lick my shoulder, as a large and shaggy black dog.... Its red with black rim tongue cut into my shoulder – but I wasn't scared.... I am humbled and images, a stream pouring into my mind flooded the deep period of doing nothing – when I was a baby in the womb... Buried in your subconscious, I could only wait patiently – what is the way out give me the universe... and lay on the floor with an awareness of complete submission to what is happening....
All the fears, meanwhile, gradually began to get closer and break through my shell... they come to me... black in white.... They filled all of me and all my nature - I'm all of a sudden became a solid black stain... a stain of fear....
And suddenly from somewhere in the middle of the sternum... of the resulting black hole with ragged edges began to get a little sunshine... a Little ray of the Divine absolute... the absolute love, forgiveness and prayer.... Pink-white beam of joy of faith and hope... It was just a ray of white light in a dark room disintegrated in the colors of the spectrum and started playing cold purple.... Sizzling hot red... calm blue.... Joyful green...power-money... reviews of orange yellow and sky blue... And then anahatha breakdown of a flood.... The flood reached the roof of the house and turned into a fountain... stream from this fountain splashed my shell is gnawed black fears.... And they began to disappear.... To fade.... Until he disappeared completely.... They disappeared as it evaporates and turns into steam the water when she's hot...
This is only the first layer of my subconscious... the one that is closest to consciousness.... What is there below.... Let's see the Guide.....And thank you, Explorer.......
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Post by Артемчик » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:49

Going forward
Is that so? :shock:
I have to it has not yet reached, while wiretapping is nothing going on, or I have a poor imagination?
I've decided with the music center to listen as the player can the battery to sit down at the crucial moment, and the adapter is not present and in stores present.
Listened in the test mode, points are flashing only at medium volume, just above the volume and just start burning blue (I got blue). All the bass removed. Today I will try to fully listen.
It is strange that the instructions Indigo meets violet (light pink) color in the glasses, Indigo unassuming secondary: turquoise, blue, green, thread who agree with me?

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Post by Рустам Хидиятуллин » Mon Jul 20, 2009 17:27

Good day to You!

"Appeal to the Creator"

About the Creator, the one, the let me call you
For advice, help and wisdom for the answer.
To the questions that torment all your sinful children
When reading the Koran, the Zohar and the Old and the New Testaments.

Why you can not force someone to love,
You can only afford to be a little loved?
Why do you think the sin itself, someone to compare
Each chose their path and I hard for us to understand?

Why so eager hurry of the kids to grow up
Feel impunity adopted adult decisions?
And then we lost a child to hurt
Taking the loss of the fantasy child deprivation...

Why is material to comfort heights
Understand how spiritually poor and needy,
Live recklessly, as if no one will die
Well, the time will come, we understand that not gods?

Teach us to forgive by practicing forgiveness yourself
And not to believe in the deception by indulging in false desires.
Close the moment does not allow us to hurt, loving soul,
Belittling the years yourself to return attention.

Teach us to Primate your communication to us
When the heart knocking, but we remain deaf.
And like kids in a pillow crying in zahleb at night
Help vozvernut dear, we're not kept.

Light in the darkness to our divine path
In the words of wisdom of life and faith in your eternity.
Refrain from the temptation somewhere wrong to roll...
Take, a minute in time with the name Eternity.

All the best to You

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From me to you a balalaika.

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