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Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:55

Anonymous wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:actually both right (how to easily). When there is a flow of images and thoughts - there is a study. You just have to observe these images and thoughts, to anything not tied, nothing driving and not suppressing...
You know, Andrew, it seems to Me that this is not the flow of thoughts and images that should be worked on, and the usual domestics (blijaishee plans for the future, the events experienced per day, etc) When you meditate, you need to try not to get involved in the flow of these thoughts, and, as You say, to observe with detachment. But you need to make the effort. It is very difficult ! So the question is, is it worth to make these efforts or to completely relax and just let it go?

I am writing - as you want, and listen. But what about the fact netogo and the flow of ideas is, IMHO, fundamental error. Real meditation starts with taking...

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:57

Ростислав wrote:don't remember asking or not, well, I'll ask: before listening discs conductor, healing without glasses and turned to enter the alpha state consciously, now listening with glasses, I almost immediately osipau it is impossible to work with objectives why and how to deal with it?

If the goals clearly set before listening, you don't need to sleep on your health.

Триалект · Post by **Триалект** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:31

Let me speak about meditation and the stream of thoughts (the Guest). The flow of thoughts can be removed in different ways. The one you mean ("endeavour"), will mean the forced expulsion of thoughts. This way you can really achieve an absence of thoughts, but this way I followed Osho's considered unhealthy. Try to read the book by Anna wise on the forum mentioned. There is, in my opinion, very clearly and intelligibly set out more healthy methods to calm the mind.
In the most General terms - monitoring the flow of thoughts reduces the intensity of this flow. Observation of your own breathing in combination with a fully relaxed tongue leads to a quieting of the mind.
Neither just does not work, you need time and patience. But this way it seems to me preferable to the violent suppression of internal dialogue.

Ростислав · Post by **Ростислав** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:11

So it is just the fact that the goal is not to stay in the dream but more or less conscious trance, and audiostrobe obtained only dream... can energy need?!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 23:48

Триалект wrote:Let me speak about meditation and the stream of thoughts (the Guest). The flow of thoughts can be removed in different ways. The one you mean ("endeavour"), will mean the forced expulsion of thoughts. This way you can really achieve an absence of thoughts, but this way I followed Osho's considered unhealthy. Try to read the book by Anna wise on the forum mentioned. There is, in my opinion, very clearly and intelligibly set out more healthy methods to calm the mind.
In the most General terms - monitoring the flow of thoughts reduces the intensity of this flow. Observation of your own breathing in combination with a fully relaxed tongue leads to a quieting of the mind.
Neither just does not work, you need time and patience. But this way it seems to me preferable to the violent suppression of internal dialogue.

Thank you very much for the comment. But I was not referring to the forced expulsion of thoughts from the head, and the path of concentration on something else (on your breath, for example). Tell me, Trialist, what do You mean by nablyudeniem the flow of their own thoughts? If I get involved in their circulation, empathize with them here and now, is this surveillance?

Андрей Патрушев wrote: But what about the fact netogo and the flow of ideas is, IMHO, fundamental error. Real meditation starts with taking...

I would agree about the fact and not the flow of thoughts. But on the actual meditation... Prinatiya what? As I already wrote, I find it easier to relax and accept the thoughts, which themselves come in mind. But it seems to me that our minds are so cunning and crafty that he gladly puts on the path to spiritual perfection "sweet trap", which we are very greedy and trying to distract from the true purpose. Perhaps You meant that you need terpelivo and aggressively not just to resist these traps, and then after some time we will be rewarded?<

Триалект · Post by **Триалект** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:40

Anonymous wrote:
Триалект wrote:In the most General terms - monitoring the flow of thoughts reduces the intensity of this flow.
what do You mean by nablyudeniem the flow of their own thoughts? If I get involved in their circulation, empathize with them here and now, is this surveillance?

I use the term "observation" in the sense in which it is used Osho. According to Gurdjieff/Ouspensky that is called "remember yourself." One of the instances inside of you is the observer. It can not evaluate, draw conclusions, think. feel. He can not do anything, he can only watch.
But if you are involved in a cycle of thoughts and empathize with them, you just find yourself in one of the traps of the mind. Thoughts and feelings are never "now" and rarely "here". They is always either past (even quite recent, fraction of second), or the future, which, as we know, no.
It is difficult in two sentences to Express the whole doctrine. Read Osho, read Ouspensky, there is this detailed, accessible and interesting.

Юнкер · Post by **Юнкер** » Fri May 01, 2009 18:48

Andrew - "Explorer" - absolutely awesome! The first time when listening felt very powerful, with nothing comparable sensations in the chest appeared a clot of something at certain points in all parts of the body appear goosebumps - tingling, in addition to this, the body becomes impossibly relaxed, like a sack of sand. After the wiretapping effects similar to those described in the messages of other users: a calm and smooth mood. As it seems the Explorer is a much more powerful theta sessions, the mind-machine. No session does not give such a long and significant therapeutic effect of the.
Familiarity with the "Guide" for me has just begun, but the drive has already shown itself from the best side, I hope he will become a powerful tool for work.
Anyway, thanks for the invention

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sun May 03, 2009 14:59

Гость wrote:Andrei Patrushev wrote(a):
But what about the fact netogo and the flow of ideas is, IMHO, fundamental error. Real meditation starts with taking...

I would agree about the fact and not the flow of thoughts. But on the actual meditation... Prinatiya what? As I already wrote, I find it easier to relax and accept the thoughts, which themselves come in mind. But it seems to me that our minds are so cunning and crafty that he gladly puts on the path to spiritual perfection "sweet trap", which we are very greedy and trying to distract from the true purpose. Perhaps You meant that you need terpelivo and aggressively not just to resist these traps, and then after some time we will be rewarded?

Acceptance, of us all, and through it his thoughts and his mind... Inside You have no enemies, to set your trap.

Everything that occurs "here and now" in Your head, You need it "here and now", so just watch the thoughts and images as if from the outside, noting the beginning and end...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 03, 2009 23:34

Триалект wrote:I use the term "observation" in the sense in which it is used Osho. According to Gurdjieff/Ouspensky that is called "remember yourself." One of the instances inside of you is the observer. It can not evaluate, draw conclusions, think. feel. He can not do anything, he can only watch.
But if you are involved in a cycle of thoughts and empathize with them, you just find yourself in one of the traps of the mind. Thoughts and feelings are never "now" and rarely "here". They is always either past (even quite recent, fraction of second), or the future, which, as we know, no.
It is difficult in two sentences to Express the whole doctrine. Read Osho, read Ouspensky, there is this detailed, accessible and interesting.

What specific books of Osho You recommend, because a lot of them?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 03, 2009 23:36

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Acceptance, of us all, and through it his thoughts and his mind... Inside You have no enemies, to set your trap. Everything that occurs "here and now" in Your head, You need it "here and now", so just watch the thoughts and images as if from the outside, noting the beginning and end...

Thank you

Триалект · Post by **Триалект** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:33

Anonymous wrote:What specifically the books of Osho You recommend, because a lot of them?

He always speaks about the same thing, just in different aspects. If you are a woman and gender, take a book "About a woman". Or just any other.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 07, 2009 0:15

Dialect
OK!

Thank you. I have once again in the library of their pieces 15. All hands did not reach. Now, I think, will do.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu May 07, 2009 0:17

About the same,only more understandable language for Europeans, says Eckhard Tolle "Power of Now".

Иррина · Post by **Иррина** » Tue May 12, 2009 16:58

Hello

Please help to make correct installation to the "Conductor"for the speedy completion of repairs in the apartment - very delayed

Is it right is this: "We rejoice in good repair in our apartment," not going to happen so that we (ie members of the family including cats

) will be a long time to enjoy the repair that never ends???
Or better: "We're enjoying a beautiful renovation in our apartment"- again something, somehow I feel as if I enjoy the process of unfinished repair. A little confused

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue May 12, 2009 17:00

irrina
"We as a family love our renovated apartment"

Иррина · Post by **Иррина** » Tue May 12, 2009 17:20

Many thanks, Dimas

just want after the "" add some kind of fine, skillful, beautiful. What do you think???

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue May 12, 2009 17:21

Irrina
Of course,it's Your beautifully renovated apartment

Иррина · Post by **Иррина** » Tue May 12, 2009 17:40

Class

!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again

Will work

The results will be misleading, if you're interested

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Tue May 12, 2009 17:41

Irrina
Sure!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 12, 2009 21:17

Иррина wrote:Hello
Please help to make correct installation to the "Conductor"for the speedy completion of repairs in the apartment - very delayed
Is it right is this: "We rejoice in good repair in our apartment," not going to happen so that we (ie members of the family including cats ) will be a long time to enjoy the repair that never ends???
Or better: "We're enjoying a beautiful renovation in our apartment"- again something, somehow I feel as if I enjoy the process of unfinished repair. A little confused

What could be simpler: "We happily live in a well renovated apartment" - enjoy

Иррина · Post by **Иррина** » Wed May 13, 2009 20:25

Гость wrote:What could be simpler: "We happily live in a well renovated apartment" - enjoy

Thank You very much

Атаманов · Post by **Атаманов** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:00

the question to Andrey Patrushev.
I am familiar with meditative practice Goudieva "twin"(creative visual introspection). I am sure You also know her well.
at me truth of deistvie very relaxing - takes place in a dream or neproishodit nothing but listening to the disc. (of course you need practice and to develop a visualization).
my question is this.
firstly I would like to know Your opinion about the "twin".

and secondly, I'm unfamiliar with Your disc Explorer, but I would like to understand how it differs from the "twin" in the description the phrase "a Professional psychologist will guide You through your inner world, using archetypal characters." reminiscent of "twin".

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Thu May 14, 2009 16:16

Атаманов wrote:a question to Andrey Patrushev.
I am familiar with meditative practice Goudieva "twin"(creative visual introspection). I am sure You also know her well.
at me truth of deistvie very relaxing - takes place in a dream or neproishodit nothing but listening to the disc. (of course you need practice and to develop a visualization).
my question is this.
firstly I would like to know Your opinion about the "twin".

and secondly, I'm unfamiliar with Your disc Explorer, but I would like to understand how it differs from the "twin" in the description the phrase "a Professional psychologist will guide You through your inner world, using archetypal characters." reminiscent of "twin".

"Practice is the sole criterion of truth" (PITCHFORK)

Атаманов · Post by **Атаманов** » Thu May 14, 2009 18:45

I think I understand Your reluctance to fully answer here in the forum. you can answer in PM?

Ириска · Post by **Ириска** » Thu May 14, 2009 19:21

Good afternoon everyone!
I would like to share my impressions from listening to the disc, rather from disk

Start the second course and the results are on the face! For the first time as something tight everything was, the change was not special in life, only while listening to interesting status. But this time everything is just super!!!
Just listened for the fourth time: fatigue was off somewhere by itself, no fatigue constant, lightness, joy of life, generally from what we live, breathe, talk to people. The world around has become more colorful. The sky is bright blue, the clouds so thick and unusual, good people around and responsive, enthusiasm galore!!! In General everything is great!

Here I wanted to ask whether someone so that only during the second listening period, the changes are noticeable started to happen? Or is it just me such a reaction, like a time bomb

Indeed, in the first period nothing changed and feelings such was not.
And tell me, and if someone is that during the auditions goals were complemented by others that pop up by themselves. Me, by the way, for additional objective sleep came, though not immediately to formulate succeeded, but today it is understood, the words themselves came up with.
People share how someone is or was.