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Post by bofara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:16

ЗОМБИ wrote:duck the question about the mitochondria: lessons from AI the number of mitochondria increases or not? endurance training -- how to be with them..
If not conducted additional studies will Express my thoughts about it: simple pumping muscle - it's to a greater extent cell division, right? However, there are some traditions in which /and I could tell by the bodies exercising etih traditions/ attention /of course this is just one of the areas-effects/ is directed at improving the quality of those cells, in particular of mitochondria, their content, functioning, etc.
Now think about it - in the AI /first step/, especially if you use with additional amplifiers, specified Goldiam /as fasting, cold water etc./ - where 'followers' are not at all certain bodibildery, and Vice versa - do not have large muscles, and 'like it should'.
p. S. and still - Goltis, if I understand correctly, every 10 years or something/ makes a sharp starvation - ie, essentially removes from your body a LOT of cages with the mitochondria/, and then replace them with better cells.. Educa rebooting the operating system, to avoid bugs /crashes in the system.
About endurance - in my opinion - you can use, but not only them.. For example - that's a runner for long distances /he is tough, huh?/, if you stop to run-to train - to satellite very efficiently and quickly /had a mate/. Such 'training', IMHO, need to be woven into life itself - regularly edakii lifestyle, I like to see.. ie the very habitat /for example, most of the animals, and dolphins, etc./ should be 'exercise'. Here, in this world, have some sex as a means of improvements to the quality of the cells in the body. :lol: And most people - the environment - the couch at home and office at work.

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Post by АКВО » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:29

The invasion of the nucleotide sequences. (the magazine "world of science" 2004 12)
Power plant of cells, mitochondria have their own DNA. Perhaps their predecessors were once independent organisms that were integrated into cells. Apparently, they still behave as invaders. Scientists from the Pasteur Institute in Paris, carried out the scanning of the human genome, focusing
in the nucleus, found 211 DNA fragments corresponding to the sequence contained in mitochondrial DNA. The researchers suggest that these fragments came here by mistake during DNA repair. It turns out that the process
introduction mitochondrial DNA in the nuclear continues. 27 of the detected fragments tend to only Homo sapiens, therefore they are "embedded" in the chromosome after 6-8 million years ago there was a modern man. In the September issue of Public Library of Science Biology, the researchers suggested that the tendency of mitochondrial DNA embedded in the genes located in the nucleus, may lead to losing some of the nucleotide
sequences, hindering the development of tumors. In addition, the introduction into the genome of mitochondrial DNA could contribute to the evolution of Homo sapiens. This is evidenced by the fact that different ethnic groups in the genome contain specific sets of nucleotide chains of mitochondrial origin.

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the Main prize of the EU for science, which were presented on 2 December 2004 in Prague, scientists have found for the use of quantum teleportation and testing of the mitochondrial hypothesis of aging.
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We are engaged in the genome of mitochondria is a single entity, organelles having their own genome. They serve as energy stations of cells and to provide energy, produce a lot of toxic waste. Our group, which includes scientists from Finland, Italy, Sweden, France and the UK, did a great job, identified the functions of key genes in the genome of mitochondria and were able to link a mutation with specific diseases, both hereditary and senile.
And now we are close to testing the mitochondrial hypothesis of aging, according to which waste is destroying the repair system of the body, first and foremost, the DNA of the mitochondria themselves. We've managed to perfect the mouse, in which the mitochondrial DNA is very poorly protected, and this mouse really is aging ten times faster than normal! Through this model, the mechanism of aging is associated with mitochondria, we will be able to move quickly to find the means to prolong life and treat many diseases caused by disorders in energy production.

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In their book, the authors oppose the dominance model of beauty and efficiency, which allegedly can be achieved only sweating in the gym and working a lot. Their main thesis is that not only stress, but the excess sports reduce life expectancy, because increase the production of the notorious free radicals, unstable molecules that have only one electron instead of two and therefore, tend towards equilibrium, adding an electron from another nearby molecule and the result is a kind of chain reaction leading to the emergence of new instability. As a result of cellular metabolism free radicals into hydrogen peroxide, which damages cells, accelerating aging.

Excess physical activity affects negatively, as in muscle cells, increasing the activity of mitochondria, which are the main center of production of free radicals and the energy center of cells, where the reaction of the respiratory chain. All of this means again the appearance of hydrogen peroxide, which must be dealt with by consuming the antioxidants, for example, in fruits and vegetables. Or, as ironically suggest Peter and Michaela AXT, "doing nothing".
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Post by bofara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:38

АКВО wrote:have their own DNA. Perhaps their predecessors were once independent organisms that were integrated into cells. Apparently, they still behave as invaders. Scientists from the Pasteur Institute in Paris, carried out the scanning of the human genome, focusing
in the nucleus, found 211 DNA fragments corresponding to the sequence contained in mitochondrial DNA. The researchers suggest that these fragments came here by mistake during DNA repair.
About babe /external origin of those formations/ if I'm not mistaken, mention whether Andrew, or Oleg Patrushev.. And one book /remember that Michael has expressed my opinion about this author on Ω/ - again, written is - Pyatibrat..

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Post by АКВО » Thu Apr 24, 2014 14:22

Interesting:
the Hypothesis of academician Skulachev
Academician V. P. Skulachev put forward an interesting hypothesis about the existence of some genetic program of self-destruction, which gradually destroys the body.
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In his report Vladimir Skulachev in General terms explains the complexity of the chain of transmission of commands to self-destruct. In his opinion, the final performers are the mitochondria, the catalyst of the process, reactive oxygen species.
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According to the scientist, in order to "ban" the mitochondria produce a poisonous substance, an antioxidant necessary. But if you enter a certain amount, the body immediately begins to either develop even more dangerous oxygen, or reduces the synthesis of antidotes, i.e. of all the forces committed to their sinister program of phenoptosis.
However, the drug is synthesized, allowing a 1000-fold increase in the antioxidant reserve of mitochondria is a cationic antioxidant which accumulates the electric field inside the mitochondria. A dose of antidote organelle is unlikely to overcome. The first stages of testing of hypothesis have already been implemented and have yielded positive results.


The fungus podospora loses the ability to aging, if disturbed function of intracellular organelles - mitochondria. Usually the life of podospora about 20 days. At the same time, podospora with abnormal mitochondria lived for years without any signs of aging.

Other results: Method Skulachev, increasing life expectancy.
a worm in 7.5 times
fruit fly - in 1.5 times
octopus - 6 times
salmon - 6 times

Active work started in 2004. Now in St.-Petersburg Vladimir Anisimov checks created substance on mice.

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Thu Apr 24, 2014 16:10

I bought two books Skulachev, nichrome not understand :lol: :lol: :lol: there's too deep a knowledge of the processes needed... the time will uscany books, lay out time in principle, you only need to do...

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Post by Михаил_ » Thu Apr 24, 2014 19:14

I'm not a supporter of the theory Skulachev. Everything is easier and harder at the same time. And yet wrote ONLY about the function of MAO and not about the impact of mitochondria on the biocenosis of the whole person.
Yes, there is need knowledge of the process to the picture to make it, but for General understanding will have a few common items enciklopedicheskogo sense.
Those who has a non-zero level of development widełki is a plus - activated correct integration of information more or less itself and that easily allows the basic information to correctly close in on each other, and exclude is not true the conclusions of men of science from consideration.
The result is easily verified just by synchronizacia with each other.

Bopara about Pativrata once mentioned, but he is more drawn to high-quality crazy city, although in these difficult times I least like to label it. He and some of his picture of the world at all, which it seems to retranslyator some hard egregore. BUT part of some about the biology hooked.
By the way, the decrease in body temperature when raw food diet, some energotaktika, breathing techniques (Frolov, Strelnikova, Buteyko, etc.) and in some other cases - in my view is also connected with a decrease in active mitochondria, t/e/ a "factory" normal oxidation shitty food is replaced by other processes, more natural. Where everything is still all right with the digestion of food, but it seems this process is a science in this form has not been studied at all.
The theme of the mitochondria was involved in academics, but I do propose to return to the subject to MAO.
Which by the way is a dark area, if about the MAO-A still from aizuchi (it affects the neurotransmitters and we know someone is choking) what about MAO-B - silence at all, no research)

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Thu Apr 24, 2014 20:30

Михаил_ wrote:by the Way, the decrease in body temperature when raw food diet, some energotaktika, breathing techniques (Frolov, Strelnikova, Buteyko, etc.) and in some other cases - in my view is also connected with a decrease in active mitochondria, t/e/ a "factory" normal oxidation shitty food is replaced by other processes, more natural.
I was asking about training for endurance-there is the idea, says Bopara to weave into the lifestyle of a regular sequence -- running 10 miles on the trail.day dry/wet hunger, the next day the juices and fermented food... every 7-14 days is to do... in order to extinguish the oven periodically... Oh, and a day of hunger in the morning washed prakshalana

plus there is the idea of combining hypoxic-hypercapnic training with an infrared cabin... to reduce oxidation even at the expense of external energy from the IR i.e. the heat, kind of like separates -- oxidation energy body is not necessary because, when the outside bakes

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Post by Михаил_ » Thu Apr 24, 2014 21:51

so it is necessary to try :) experience is a great thing :) it is likely that well....

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Post by АКВО » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:08

Михаил_ wrote:about MAO-B - silence in General, there is no research
Just found it.
http://www.dissercat.com/content/kompyu ... -novykh-in
Михаил_ wrote:In a normal state they are remarkably reduced in its volume due to the built-in mechanism of nerve cells (they are just "hiding" in a special sinus)
And this found nothing.
Especially important is the role of MAO in the Central nervous system, maintaining the right balance of neurotransmitters determining emotional status. In other words, with MAO's brain is teetering between euphoria and depression, between normal and mental disorders. And not only that. The ratio of different monoamines determines the rate, or disorders of many vital parameters of the body: blood pressure, heart rate, muscle tone, activity of the digestive system, coordination...
This is the question of the Olympians... Maybe some new MAOI tool + xenon therapy(or something of similar effects).

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Post by Михаил_ » Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:03

bofara wrote: p. S. and still - Goltis, if I understand correctly, every 10 years or something/ makes a sharp starvation - ie, essentially removes from your body a LOT of cages with the mitochondria/, and then replace them with better cells.. Educa rebooting the operating system, to avoid bugs /crashes in the system.
yeah, and back to the question with MAO, says Goltis, in the mode at the peak of starvation (when the "factory" of energy in the form of mitochondria devoid of work completely and probably therefore minimized for preservation) increases the expression Goltis "aduaneros" (and implemented a simple thought but often that did not have time to podomatic)
I in addition to the reasons for body cleaning and see as important other reasons is aligned only TO normal levels of neurotransmitters in the body.

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Post by Petr99 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:50

Selection of references:
Remote and not remote village of about body temperature: 1, 2, 3;
Another view on the issue: the Unexpected sight of academician Bekhtereva to the problem of prolonging life;<

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Post by Petr99 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:09

I have a feeling that this whole system with regulation of hormones not done just so, and managed it should not outwardly, and the human brain - consciously. Subconsciously and partly consciously this works well from successful people who know how to change ourselves and the world around, but apparently not enough all Maslikov and the man rolls down, gets stuck, probably because going in the wrong direction or overworked and can't stop and change course, succumbed to external motivation due to the fact that was interesting to some egregore, and couldn't get out. This whole hormonal system works to control its system of human motivation. I think it is the system of motivation (self-motivation) is important (an important) for a person who has the opportunity to develop to develop and build your own world
Took the addict of pure hormones and all the more of a life does not need anything - he's happy. That have placed athletes on the outside (though soft) motivation system - the big question good or bad it is for them. Ie who is it good for? and what is useful for the development of the athlete as a person, and if stuck, stuck in this (and you it is not interesting), then went personal recourse and all that it owed.
It follows that it is also very important to feel that you need that is not enough for further development, time to reorganize, to spit on his career, out of band management - out of the circle of outside interests and become others. And then, when you learn the fact that not enough to repeat all the same as before, and again be different in the outside world (if you need it).
It turns out that the contours (outline) of the broader vision.

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Post by Михаил_ » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:52

MAO - a whole artificial system is implemented in person.
And their home - one that produces (and removes) neurotransmitters

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Post by АКВО » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:47

How much more in this garbage?

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Post by С. Альбатрос » Sat Apr 26, 2014 17:13

Here's what caught about MAO B
So, monoamine oxidase type B carries out the oxidative bioactivation 1-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6-of tetrahydropyridine to the neurotoxin 1-methyl-4-phenylpyridine, selectively damaging dopaminergic neurons <that is, prevent the action of dopamine> and causing effects of Parkinson's disease in primates and humans.
Ibid.:
Described at least two isoenzymes of MAO: MAO-A in neural tissue, dezaminiruet serotonin, epinephrine and norepinephrine, and MAO-IN other (non-nervous) tissues, the most active towards 2 - phenylethylamine and benzylamine.
(those that are produced by the body)
(taken from here: http://humbio.ru/humbio/endocrinology/000b8ea8.htm )
About benzylamine anything sensible did not find.
Phenylethylamine (2-phenylethylamine, phenethylamine, β-phenethylamine, 1-amino-2-phenyl-ethane) — a chemical compound which is initial connection to some of the natural neurotransmittersand its derivatives are by psychedelic drugs and stimulants.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%E5%ED% ... 0%EC%E8%ED
Dopamine is one of the chemical factors internal reinforcements (FIR) and is an important part of the "reward system" of the brain because it produces a feeling of pleasure (or satisfaction), what affects the processes of motivation and learning. Dopamine is naturally produced in large quantities during a positive, subjective view of human experience — for example, sex, eating delicious food, pleasant bodily sensations, as well as drug[4]. Neurobiological experiments have shown that even memories of positive encouragement can increase the level of dopamine, so this neurotransmitter is used by the brain for evaluation and motivation, consolidating important for the survival and procreation of the action.
Dopamine plays an important role in providing cognitive activities. Activation of dopaminergic transmission is necessary when processes of switching of attention from one stage of cognitive activity to another. Thus, the failure of dopaminergic transmission leads to increased inactivity of the patient, which clinically manifested by slowness of cognitive processes (bradyphrenia < – a pathological slowing of mental processes>) and perseveration < — a steady repetition of any phrases, activities, emotions, feelings>. These violations are the most typical cognitive symptoms of the disease with dopaminergic deficiency, for example Parkinson's disease[8].
(taken from here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%EE%F4%E0%EC%E8%ED )
In fact, MAO-B blocks the production of new neurotransmitters in addition to their inhibition, also inhibits natural "extensions of consciousness", inhibits the creative component of the person deactivates the decision-making system (which also responds to dopamine), prevents the absorption of a positive experience.<

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Post by Gelios » Sat Apr 26, 2014 18:29

There is still such a point that if you raise the level of adrenaline, norepinephrine, and serotonin, the appetite as a phenomenon disappears almost completely and the attitude to food will change. Well, just to be clear as possible what is there to eat, to eat and generally what to "eat" :) Well, unless there's too much hard physical loads, otherwise the decline in physical capabilities over time will make themselves known.

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Post by АКВО » Sat Apr 26, 2014 18:34

С. Альбатрос wrote:also blocks natural "extensions of consciousness"
Blocks controlled by ISS.
So more correctly will. :)

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Post by С. Альбатрос » Sun Apr 27, 2014 0:00

AKVO, thanks for editing :)
Gelios, yeah, to purify, physical activity in the fresh air, creativity, falling in love also helps.
Just then the movie got, with the theme resonated, "Divergent". The film's tagline "be careful what you wish for..." http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/582101/ They say the book is more exciting, but I have yet to read.

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Post by Petr99 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:19

removed about drugs
On stave to put in braking the functioning of mitochondria, the production of MAO A and MAO B
You can set the task for the UK and together with the stub
I think that we should not expect to provoke abrupt changes
I think it is possible to put mentally to yourself (your body) the problem into the background, respectively, everywhere to add the wording: "the best and safest way for me and the world in the short and long term," +surfing
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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:23

stop-stop-stop-stop :)
do not need is drugs, huh? :) I have not commented in detail on the subject, wait a few days

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:41

the Lord with the device for transfer - I'm sorry, but you are here not in the subject, I'll take it.

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Post by XUPOH » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:46

Indeed, Anor, will not PR, Michael alternative technology!
It is incorrect to undermine the business))

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Post by Михаил_ » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:10

Yes business that have nothing to do with the more same SC, excellent coping with of info transfer - free product, available to all, technology is published and effective. Just your personal correspondence on the subject Strannik devices in this topic - not the topic. For about another topic. You section waved Malek, on the forum there are plenty of other topics that are more appropriate, about the water for example (if migrating to it) or more about that.
By the way with info transfer copes free matrix panacea :) that too many verified and confirmed on the forum.

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Post by Анор » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:46

Yes, something I'm in the wrong section. Sorry.

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Similarly

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