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Post by Смелый » Wed Sep 08, 2010 13:02

Михаил_ wrote:
Смелый wrote: Who is against. Wrote and wrote.
Then who wrote the Koran who wrote the Talmud?
Why do different people worship different Holy books?
What in Your opinion are the main?
Each contains its own model..
The world consists of the amount of models, and the separation of different - gives pole and improves opportunity management.
Stronger reading is embedded in a specific model.
Why model is the only method of control.
One person has freedom of choice within the General trajectory of the world, it cannot fundamentally change the world if it is not already mortgaged most optimal energy trajectory (i.e., the principle of direct rolling from the hill, not on a plan there's that). The world's too big compared to one person.
But if people will write a very popular book -it can dramatically change the world, affecting masses of people who will be involved in the process, their weight will be commensurate to the changes.
However, most of the even very brilliant books are not considered Holy Scripture.
Therefore, in this case we are dealing with authorized (i.e. approved by someone) systems changes the world, operating from different angles and run at different times.
The difference between a popular book and a Bible in depth a large group of people in a new picture of the world. For us now it is covered with "history", but it just appeared, and the depth of the planet's history much, much more.....
To me personally, anyway. I asked these questions to adherents of the Christian faith just. For me, this question about who these books are written, whether they are the Holy Scriptures, etc. - does not exist. Because all the ones on the ground of religious denomination, I belong to egregorial associations. And absolutely sincerely believe that the meaning of the incarnation of man on earth — the development and expansion of consciousness to the one. And if someone fell into the category of people control other people, I do not envy. But not sympathize. As a person who controls other people with the help of invented models of the world bears some measure of responsibility, than just a performer. And, accordingly, the load of possible errors in the execution of its governing regulations, which the person takes with him into another world — is not commensurate to above. Because there is always the risk that the author has created not quite, and took not entirely in the wrong direction. We already mentioned about the creation of man "in the image and likeness". Let me remind you, I already wrote about this. According to the model and likeness, means "THINKING". Capable of thinking. Because the Creator is called the Creator or the Creator. Because he Creates and Creates. It never called the "Administrator." Any created and implemented a model of human development and the management of certain people or groups of people, a big headache for its Creator. In the future, in another world. Because it deprives a person of freedom of choice. Russian Krishnamurti is well understood.
Well, something like that. Not for the sake of controversy but for the sake of expression, not mandatory for others.
Good luck to everyone!<

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 13:09

I would like to hear the refutation of the calculations and of the facts presented on the website or a different interpretation.I think this is the analysis of information.
Assuming a priori that it's necessary to the doctor you go by the facts,and they are interesting.

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Post by Dimas » Wed Sep 08, 2010 13:27

Andrey Kabanov
The analysis is different, to begin with. When you go to market and see the rotten apples, the same does not hold biochemical analysis, don't turn them over to the lab and write the report so that you can'T buy them, and make a conclusion on the basis of past experience, they say ate once a worm,not liked, etc. By the facts I passed, I looked at almost all pages of your website, remember "the rule of Goebbels" for all realized :)
But understand this: either the author of the site makes fun of that,or it's time to the doctors are :lol:

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 13:55

I wonder where you got the personal experience on the issues addressed on the website.

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Post by Dimas » Wed Sep 08, 2010 13:56

Andrey Kabanov
:lol: I have personal experience of perception of the information

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 14:56

Do you think one from another,considering the priority that they received repeatedly.Neither one nor the other is not confirmed by your personal experience.
I'm not saying that the sky 17 sun,but the approach seems wrong.

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Post by Dimas » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:06

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Why are you such a dick?! :) I understand what you mean, but I'm talking about this particular project and being created it :) And the fact that the earth is round I'm on a personal experience, seen from the plane :wink:

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Post by Новик » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:38

I do believe that in terms of esotericism and other "was amazing incomprehensible" And especially any conspiracy need to read and forums to hang out at all....
I at one time and Castanedas fond of and OSHO(in student years) and then it just came to me understanding that cheto not...
A young mind can take everything for face value so nafig nafig....
I'm more impaniruet approach when you have 2-3 checked online and you are already in evaluate this or that old.
P/S
After all, not everyone can recognize what is on the stage of development when: "he knows only what he doesn't know or anything"

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:44

And I think we need to get as much information from various independent sources,to analyze it,to look for connections and to interpret to the extent possible.

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Post by Новик » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:50

Andrey Kabanov
How do you feel about the link, which gave Humpty about "Revelations of the INSIDER"?
Is it real or fake?

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Post by Просто_идущий » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:52

From topics on BJ:
Santos:
http://openmagic.org/ph/forumdisplay.php?f=2 - here is given the method of manufacture of the BZ , the description of the work modules, etc. (by the way the author repeatedly refers to this website and to drives a,Patrushev)
Made myself but the effect (noticeable) is not observed.
Interested in the opinion of Andrey Patrushev, and other "Pro Energo-informational technologies"
Whether thus it is possible to make a "Charm" that will actually work???

Dimas:
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Kabankov:
I think you should carefully study the material before you draw conclusions.Judging by the people involved should treat the subject more seriously.

Dimas:
Andrew Kabankov
I have enough to read manufacturing technology, "amulet"...
Dimas, no offense!

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 15:58

Новик wrote:Andrew Kabankov
How do you feel about the link, which gave Humpty about "Revelations of the INSIDER"?
Is it real or fake?
I think I have not yet reached that level,when could adequately assess this information,so I will answer - I don't know.And the division into real or fake consider unnecessary,there are a lot of things and in the middle between these polar assessments.

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Post by Раймис » Wed Sep 08, 2010 16:25

Просто_идущий wrote:From threads on BJ:

Dimas, no offense!
Somehow I also remembered this story! :?

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Post by Новик » Wed Sep 08, 2010 16:34

Raimis
All her remembered :lol:

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Post by Шалтай Балтай » Wed Sep 08, 2010 17:51

Новик wrote:how do you feel about the link, which gave Humpty about "Revelations of the INSIDER"?

Is it real or fake?
Let's simplify the problem:
http://www.insiderrevelations.ru/forum/ ... /topic531/
this is a fake?
och it would be interesting to verify the existence of this publication.
If indeed IT was published in 1991, the man who wrote it is a genius. Because he knew how to think abstractly, i.e. "not as man," although it is clear that he was only "rung" of the hierarchy. It is a plus if he is aware of this.

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Post by Шалтай Балтай » Wed Sep 08, 2010 18:08

Here's the key:
IS that YOU ALLOW US to DO EVERYTHING WE WANT. That you play kings, chiefs and presidents. It you need a goat leading sheep to the slaughter. There is a class of slaves IS the CLASS of PARASITES. Latest IS us. We are few, but we are smarter and more United you. We do not want to produce. A lot of slaves. But we want to consume. Want luxury privilege, because we ideenositeli. The mind rules the hands, not Vice versa. We are few, but we did a lot. You have a lot, but you even a little not.
This is an ordinary virus.
Only on the mental level.
example: religion is a virus that has led to the emergence of a class parasites.
it's just a disease.
but on a sub-conscious level.

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 21:36

Here's another entertaining.
The Grandfather Of The Eagles.Clarification.
http://www.radosvet.net/file/video/onli ... -1-ya.html

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Post by Новик » Wed Sep 08, 2010 22:25

Humpty Baltay
Well, the Insider and more the pressure was on development and as a consequence possible understanding of what the.
GORDEEVA and this stupid separation in the social. the plan, although if I could find was this article in 1991, PTS. interesting...

I'm here about something else I wanted to say: Every educated person is one way or another think about such things as the structure of the world and how it works well, etc
But this kind of article, revelation books revealing some conspiracies like that, I PTS right all....
I don't know I have a feeling that it is a prefabricated which we give and thereby distract from the essence and what is really important...
Wrote ugly well as I could :(

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Post by Андрей Кабанков » Wed Sep 08, 2010 22:36

Новик wrote:I don't know I have a feeling that it is a prefabricated which we give and thereby distract from the essence and what is really important...
Wrote ugly well as I could :(
And I have the same feeling,probably all actually much more complicated insider just resting.

I think Michael and To share their videniem world order.The amount of information that Michael has processed for the formation of his vision,I honestly staggering and I am glad that he decided to start sharing it.

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Post by Новик » Wed Sep 08, 2010 22:52

I Think Michael and To share their videniem world order.The amount of information that Michael has processed for the formation of his vision,I honestly staggering and I am glad that he decided to start sharing it.
Zhdems :)

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Post by рыжая » Wed Sep 08, 2010 23:31

Андрей Кабанков wrote: I think Michael and To share their videniem world order.The amount of information that Michael has processed for the formation of his vision,I honestly staggering and I am glad that he decided to start sharing it.
Andrew, You're talking about the information that Michael promised to put in the subject of the UK? That You can add to this? Not for the press, please. :shock:

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Post by Михаил_ » Wed Sep 08, 2010 23:36

I posted a link because absolutely convinced that the author truly believes in everything written. Moreover, he calmly convinces physicist by education (not the worst universities graduates). It is interesting that not all information on the website is a fake, or delusion of his sick mind. But the clarifications are based on the closest to him opportunity to explain HIMSELF, what the hell is going on.
Ie he ran on certain facts that have not been able to banish. And he had to build a new picture of the world that just don't go to a doctor. Ie, he really saved himself from one of two things - either from the asylum or from the problems of a split personality (one of the options he would have had to hide the facts found in the depths of yourself and live with it, forcing himself not to think and not believe what he found himself.

Now, one more thing - he gave an analogue of the scheme on which he fell out of the usual picture of the world in his. And many (not all of course) is catchy.
Well, there are a number of factors. For example, it would be better to cling to those who are in search of some alternative to the public world, which also, no doubt, is not so good as we would like.
A simple example. I as a test mentioned on this site a friend of mine. It is very easy to start to believe this information until I slightly braked process.
Why? Was a great lead. In her suburban kategna village lives an astronaut, including recently being in orbit for a long time. So she knows how many - there was only drunk....
Well, to tell the neighbor.
Here, for the consciousness of lead, which can settle the discrepancy of picture of the world.

I gave a link to this resource for two reasons.
The main of them - is an illustration of how the unusual information perceived as true capable of giving rise to person a completely DIFFERENT picture of the world, and to attract to him a number of followers who are sure is the truth.

The second reason is a graphic illustration of how real, but inexplicable facts. I seriously believe that not all the texts are nonsense, nonsense in the first place the CONCLUSIONS, some facts, for example about how to implement the new cosmology, about the space program and, oddly enough, about heat spots, which man perceives as 12 suns, there are other interesting points which, for objective reasons and other data, deemed me quite accurate, credible, but man it's all just squashed..... Just the conclusions he did only those that could, based on their data about the world. And the reasons may be quite different, as insights.

I later throw another link. Those who are still looking at this crazy website, you will find a strange analogy from a completely different author and historian. And so to speak about the events of long ago.

Times in different places in a completely different time and a different way of similar information, apparently there are some objective reasons. But the attempt to immediately explain them in an accessible way creates ugly explanations and theories.
Either people are all trying to return to the stable state, otherwise explaining troubled his mind information some esoteric jokes, such as "comes into contact" with "minds" or what he's doing. Then we hear about reclustered, transitions, dimensions, and still figs knows than.
Popular end of the world, his followers give him two categories favorite explanation is purely materialistic hypothesis, or purely esoteric (and then providing a physical consequences in their descriptions)

However, there are objectively visible processes, and what I was most surprised(or not surprising), that they (their view or analysis)there is not a single version of events.
NO.
Ie fooling melchisidek and orlovyj for some reason beneficial.
And it all fit exactly the same story - man knock out the ground from under its model of the world and it will quickly generate any nonsense, mixing fact and SPECULATION.
The most sophisticated those who missing trying to get through some contactarse technology.

A broad group of people looking for information alternative plan (not necessarily esoteric), have an extensive menu choice on which version to get hooked.

Some fun really began is not even funny. For example there are stories about what has changed the frequency of the noise.
Go to some esoteric crowd and everything say that I know that it is true and no one can tell who is where and how measured. Because no one anywhere. Contactees written.<

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Post by Михаил_ » Wed Sep 08, 2010 23:48

рыжая wrote:
Андрей Кабанков wrote: I think Michael and To share their videniem world order.The amount of information that Michael has processed for the formation of his vision,I honestly staggering and I am glad that he decided to start sharing it.
Andrew, You're talking about the information that Michael promised to put in the subject of the UK? That You can add to this? Not for the press, please. :shock:
I'm in SK promised in September to open or to announce the opening some to get rid of unnecessary dogma and rigid framework of the workshop and lectures (it might be decorated in something separate), but I didn't want to impose his view of the world. I much more like to show the facts and one of the possible interpretations. Maybe not correct, but in my opinion logical. This is not the world this is my perception of what is happening and takes place on the basis of experience rather than texts and put it on his "facts" from different texts.
If you examine all of the versions that is in the books and networks, then just to the doctor.... in my opinion the only healthy (in the sense of safe for health) way is to trust their experience and to analyze the information, which is detected in Brede as reasonable points. Understanding that personal interpretation of the authors sometimes just crooked and different (I gave the example with the stone and chair, a rock and a remote control), but often it is still tied to interest certain objective forces that in the history of the world is already butting heads and not really flaunt it (or Vice versa, sometimes advertise).
Their interpretation at odds with the accuracy.
Not to become merely a conduit for other people's ideas and to be myself, well a picture of the world to keep on building itself.
It's better to be "white spots" than other people's speculation.
Don't you think?
I many times saw people were involved in a model and often in dense the faith of its bearers, and either drowned in the (ceased to perceive an objective reality), or deep disappointment after seeing the distortions and lies.
And I have not seen it to be different, with the exception of cases when people left the independence, choice and analysis and build a picture of the world themselves.
Even if the received information somewhere.
But it's hard enough.
Since there are different "schools" and when people begin to get information out, they constrewed with their models and on the principle of resonance, start all over to get confirmation of their truth.
Ie they see the world through a particular filter.<

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Post by рыжая » Thu Sep 09, 2010 0:00

So open already, Michael! Wait. And even with impatience. :)

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Post by рыжая » Thu Sep 09, 2010 0:03

But it's good that You are constantly reminded not to accept Your statement of dogma.

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