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After a long study and reading the forum, decided to buy a mind machine. Dear professionals and people like me "beginners" - ask for advice - which model and which manufacturer is better? Photosonix or MindSpa? Apparently there are people who made up the small in the use of these machines. Anyway and all the same sensible advice in support of his interest and beliefs, it is always better hype...
And yet, I travel a lot on business trips, and size probably matters, too, but only because this would not be desirable to lose in quality and quantity of "bells and whistles" of a mind machine. Please potderzhat my desire practical advice or experience

Дмитрий Украина wrote:Hello!
After a long study and reading the forum, decided to buy a mind machine. Dear professionals and people like me "beginners" - ask for advice - which model and which manufacturer is better? Photosonix or MindSpa? Apparently there are people who made up the small in the use of these machines. Anyway and all the same sensible advice in support of his interest and beliefs, it is always better hype...
And yet, I travel a lot on business trips, and size probably matters, too, but only because this would not be desirable to lose in quality and quantity of "bells and whistles" of a mind machine. Please potderzhat my desire practical advice or experience

Tada essesno innerpulse with colorstream or premium...In MindSpa session is not loaded, and they are only 12 but they are quite enough, and compact..+ 2 glasses included...If hotsya bells and whistles,innerpulse!!!!

And from the point of view of compactness they are essentially the same. One thicker, the other is longer, but both can easily be fit into a jacket pocket.

Thank you!
And what do you mean not loaded? Ie if you delete the 12, other do not add? And what do you mean bloat?

No wipe,no add nelsya...and the bells And whistles,the changes ripple points,side flashing,tones.noise..Yes a lot of things...he ESO not all was dismantled (over a year!!!!!!!)...

Ie innerpulse with colorstream or premium is considered to be the quality and options better?

... MindSpa like later... Thought and gadgets will be more...

Compare with MindSpa InnerPulse with Сolortrack is different weight categories. Some points Сolortrack are almost as MindSpa.

I have MindSpa InnerPulse and when I want to relax choose MindSpa, as it is much easier. And with him to take it is possible if to go somewhere. Plus, you can open eyes to use.

Here is their comparison http://www.mindmachine.ru/articles/foto_report.htm

In any case, each of mindmachine is a decent choice.

Никонов Владимир wrote:Compare with MindSpa InnerPulse with Сolortrack is different weight categories. Some points Сolortrack are almost as MindSpa.

I have MindSpa InnerPulse and when I want to relax choose MindSpa, as it is much easier. And with him to take it is possible if to go somewhere. Plus, you can open eyes to use.

Here is their comparison http://www.mindmachine.ru/articles/foto_report.htm

In any case, each of mindmachine is a decent choice.

I agree. This can be a way out - just two (but the queue to buy expensive)!
However, I understand that no one can specifically say HOW the USER clear advantages or disadvantages of these machines.
PS And go to http://www.mindmachine.ru/articles/foto_report.htm is the first thing I did

Join the words of Vladimir

Никонов Владимир wrote:Compare with MindSpa InnerPulse with Сolortrack is different weight categories. Some points Сolortrack are almost as MindSpa.

1. Technology (improv). In the InnerPulse comes with 4 built-in (improv) session. The technology that each segment of the session when you run starts with a randomly selected frequency (in the frame specified for the session range) and has a randomly selectable by the processor the duration. Carrier frequency and phase are also selected randomly.
Each newly launched session is unique.
You can control the speed changes via the Options Menu.
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If every day to listen to the same favorite, but not changing session at MindSpa (after all, choice is not something special) then over time the brain will get used to it and the action of the cars will weaken.

2. MindSpa small muffs-plugs, unlike invoices in InnerPulse, which I think on any better.

3. In MindSpa 12 sessions in the InnerPulse as much as 64 plus the ability to load 25 more sessions, plus the option to do your session under.

4. InnerPulse has many, many options.
The options menu allows you to set various parameters (see the InnerPulse manual). One option is the installation of different light intensities on the right and left eye (not found in other light and sound devices). This option gives You a variety of stimulation to the hemispheres of the brain (see the book "Of Two Minds", Schiffer, - what does it do).

MindSpa does not allow to change anything at all except brightness and volume.


Conclusion - InnerPulse just incomparably better MindSpa.

Карил wrote:1. Technology (improv). In the InnerPulse comes with 4 built-in (improv) session. The technology that each segment of the session when you run starts with a randomly selected frequency (in the frame specified for the session range) and has a randomly selectable by the processor the duration. Carrier frequency and phase are also selected randomly.
Each newly launched session is unique.
You can control the speed changes via the Options Menu.
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If every day to listen to the same favorite, but not changing session at MindSpa (after all, choice is not something special) then over time the brain will get used to it and the action of the cars will weaken.

2. MindSpa small muffs-plugs, unlike invoices in InnerPulse, which I think on any better.

3. In MindSpa 12 sessions in the InnerPulse as much as 64 plus the ability to load 25 more sessions, plus the option to do your session under.

4. InnerPulse has a lot of settings and the ability to write their session just do without a computer. MindSpa does not allow to change anything at all except brightness and volume.

Conclusion - InnerPulse just incomparably better MindSpa.

But it is a good argument, I like this and compared! Thank You Karil. And such indicator as quality of information transmission is? Ie "In this-the audio quality-waves-of information better and to the worse...", or depends on the quality of the headphones and all?

However, I understand that no one can specifically say HOW the USER clear advantages or disadvantages of these machines

I can I have 2 they are. InnerPulse, of course more professional and has more possibilities. Seriously, it is, of course, InnerPulse. And if you like the toy and entertainment MindSpa.

Никонов Владимир wrote:can I I Have 2 there. InnerPulse, of course more professional and has more possibilities. Seriously, it is, of course, InnerPulse. And if you like the toy and entertainment MindSpa.

Thank You Vladimir, I think I have decided, and You finally confirmed my decision Sometimes it's important to ask than to waste time on riddles and VD in the head. Honestly, to this question, I am probably very seriously... Information for the day so that the brain "boils" relax zero, lack of sleep etc.... And problems just like everyone...
ISS and theosophy study about 11 years, and unable to think what that experience have The website for the machines you get is not the first time, and after each times thought - nonsense divorce... But 4 days ago still went to the forum - I think give read... Honestly did not think that so will delay . It is necessary to try!
We have had correspondence on the forum: Dimas, Pavla, Carilo, Patrushev (of course ), and other visitors of the forum. Noticeable, and the dates and correspondence - TRIED and grew up with correspondence on the forum and this is very important for beginners like I...

MindSpa is a technique used with open eyes and accordingly glasses with clear glass already in the kit.
This greatly expands the possibility of its use already in the basic version.Transparent glasses to photosonics can only be bought separately.
MindSpa glasses have a more "soft" light and 6 LEDs for the eyes.

Димитрий wrote:the website for cars get is not the first time, and after each times thought - stuff - divorce...

I think everyone except those who really have nowhere to go and have to try everything to find a way out. Well, those who are just curious and have the money...

So the site administrators, I would put on the first page of the review, Vladimir Nikonov "impressions from the mind of the machine" instead of the text that is on the main.

There is of course all right, but I like the text too much either... not impressed He is too scientific and abstruse, and like the texts I believe only if they are in school or at the University told... There is a wonderful transfer of "shopping" there is also a lot of EXTREMELY useful and EFFECTIVE devices sell on all right occasions. And then they say that creates a sense that all sorts of remedies for weight loss well, just be sure to help And in fact, utter garbage... :twisted:

Карил wrote:I think everyone except those who really have nowhere to go and have to try everything to find a way out. Well, those who are just curious and have the money...

So the site administrators, I would put on the first page of the review, Vladimir Nikonov "impressions from the mind of the machine" instead of the text that is on the main.

There is of course all right, but I like the text too much either not impressed... he was Too scientific and abstruse, and like the texts I believe only if they are in school or at the University told... There is a wonderful transfer of "shopping" there is also a lot of EXTREMELY useful and EFFECTIVE devices sell on all right occasions. And then they say that creates a sense that all sorts of remedies for weight loss well, just be sure to help And in fact, utter garbage...

TOTALLY AGREE! First impression was identical to that impression after watching the above ad (To be honest, my wife bought a "butterfly against cellulite )
But wanted to tell you why I pushed for the decision to still buy a machine:
Two months ago (after the next "hit" on the website of machines), uploaded Programul any type of "Shrink", etc. Began to try according to prepricani program authors... the experience lasted a month, what do You think - there are changes! (and this despite the fact that all these things just sort of "demo mode" mind machines ! But most likely acts more-hypnosis, self-hypnosis, to some degree... As he wrote to Vladimir Nikonov that, "if as a toy and entertainment" likely to understand WHAT IT is or even HOW IT WORKS, have fun on siih programmulina. Now we have to try "the original version of" machine

And yet, MindSpa - new model, glasses, and gadgets I think, not for gorami - can be acquired, Photosonics also not all there?
The only bad - there is no normal competition among manufacturers of machines...

At least if I understand what it is, you can purchase Photosonix...

Димитрий wrote:And in the extreme case, if I understand what it is, you can purchase Photosonix...

Pancake and... well, as you can compare them at all.


If there are doubts about the effectiveness of mind-machines as such, I advise you to read the book by Anna wise "Inspiration to order" - http://www.koob.ru/annawise/

The difference between own-occupation and stimulation mind-machine, the earth and sky. Are doing exercise, and then think right or not? And mind-machine just need to relax, not to interfere and not to think (if possible) and all. After 10-20 minutes, there is no doubt that you are in the alpha state.


Drives Andrei Patrushev do not forget to buy. I would even say "Explorer" sure... If you want to increase the ability to concentrate and mental work that "Massage brain". Do not doubt the validity of the remaining disks, but for these two I bet your head.

Thank You Karil! I meant that I'm first for the "development process" I want to take MindSpa (as still more convenient - and often far to drive), and then if this investment works definitely and Photosonics! But what, it is a matter of time, and money. And Shrinks and Bugey for me "finished" . Drives decided it is better to be pressed down, but to buy everything at once (13pcs.) and not to soar brains with delivery then. Live in Ukraine, it's expensive to ship (for some reason )

Димитрий wrote: then if this investment works ,

I think this is the best investment you can make in your life! I have a machine with the new year, in principle, do not use so often (not enough time), but definitely say it HELPS in many situations!
:idea:

To mindmachine must have audiostrobe drives. To feel the full effect. In MindSpa a bit of built-in sessions. So you can add audiostream.

Никонов Владимир wrote:To mindmachine must have audiostrobe drives. To feel the full effect. In MindSpa a bit of built-in sessions. So you can add audiostream.

Definitely. Do take drives Andrei Patrushev, and then we will see!
Still, after reading a bit decided to take MindSpa Less sessions, etc. but on the road, and for a beginner I think it will be better. I agree, if these results, it is advantageous to purchase the machine more, and the bells and whistles for more. What to issues such as their Welfare (not referring to money, etc.) are extremely serious! Example: fishing!

...Yeah, and I bought Iner+Kolor Trek...

Димитрий wrote:...yeah, and I bought Iner+Kolor Trek...

Well and how impressions??