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syndrome usher and MM

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 15:49
by Дмитрий В.
Is it possible to use MM or disks for the treatment of this disease?

The aggravation from a friend, want to help.

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 22:07
by Колисто
Yeah, what a treatment with MM??

about pokazatelnoe medicine heard anything

Usher syndrome is a genetic disease, and is currently not curable, the only hope for gene therapy in the future.

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:55
by Дмитрий В.
If it was good, but was bad, so was the process, then there is the reverse process of this. Perhaps the brain needs to be convinced that you need to run the reverse process.

He's not with torn membranes were born? and the eye itself is no punch.

Although why I'm asking that to know the opinion of guests.

p.s. read about "evidence based medicine". You probably even did not pay attention, almost all of what is discussed here and implemented, is contrary to "evidence based medicine" :)

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 13:27
by Андрей Патрушев
Honestly, this has never not met. Talk with experts from our Academy. - Sometimes it helps Retinalamin (not parabulbarno - maybe even to blindness lead) in combination with Normiflo... But it is still left to the experts.
It is not excluded that real benefits can have ALTARIA, but should again consult with a specialist.

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 19:19
by Дмитрий В.
Spasbo!

and drive Healing to try is not harmful?
and do alpha/theta?

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 19:39
by Андрей Патрушев
Дмитрий В. wrote:Thanks!

and drive Healing to try is not harmful?
and do alpha/theta?
No, of course not harmful.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 0:16
by Колисто
Дмитрий В. wrote:If it was good, but was bad, so was the process, then there is the reverse process of this. Perhaps the brain needs to be convinced that you need to run the reverse process.
It only means that the disease progresses, as it has. It is important for the patient not to build unrealistic expectations, because their collapse would bring even and trauma, in addition to the underlying disease.

When the disease is of genetic nature, to heal (to heal) it is possible only through gene therapy and in no way different.

Everything else can only give a slower development of the disease (at best) and a weakening of the symptoms.
Дмитрий В. wrote: He's not with torn membranes were born? and the eye itself is no punch.
You see generally have no idea what is a gene, DNA, how genes are activated and other beauty. And even arranged a hearing of Isernia
Most of the mutations responsible for Usher syndrome lead to a loss of hair cells in the inner ear and a gradual loss of rods and cones in the retina. Degeneration of these sensory cells causes hearing loss, balance problems, and vision loss characteristic of this condition
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http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=ushersyndrome

As you can see what a normal eardrum and entire eyes, may deteriorate hearing and vision at the expense of degradation of other parts of the system.
Дмитрий В. wrote: Although why I'm asking that to know the opinion of guests.
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Well, I'm not a guest, I am so the voice of reason in this folly :)
Дмитрий В. wrote: p.s. read about "evidence based medicine". You probably even did not pay attention, almost all of what is discussed here and implemented, is contrary to "evidence based medicine" :)
even as drew<

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:16
by Дмитрий В.
Calisto,
all is clear, thanks for the info.
But there is one "but".
Why contrary to normal genes in healthy people just lost sight, hearing, impaired metabolism, etc., etc.? And the reverse process is? I think anything is possible, but not investigated.

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 15:40
by Колисто
Дмитрий В. wrote: Why contrary to normal genes in healthy people just lost sight, hearing, impaired metabolism, etc., etc.? And the reverse process is? I think anything is possible, but not investigated.
Well, a lot of diseases that affect different areas of the body. The reversibility of the process depends on many factors, but in this case the syndrome Usera, the reversibility is only possible with gene therapy.

Not really something you are naive to think that what the sounds and flashes of light can change the genetic program of development of the organism??

In this case, the only thing you can do is to reduce the factors that contribute to progression of symptoms (deterioration of vision and hearing). And possibly search any medikamentosny means which reduce Estestvennye the process of degeneration of the disease affected tissues of the body.

Well, if the age is still young, we hope that in the next 20 years, genetics will figure out how to deliver pravlenye genes in DNA. But even clinical trials there.

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 20:09
by Дмитрий В.
Not really something you are naive to think that what the sounds and flashes of light can change the genetic program of development of the organism??
but in spite of genes, without the sounds and light of the people, conversely, could podnasrat and change their genetic program for the worse? well, for example obesity, cancer, infertility, heart, lungs?

I'm not arguing, I'm just asking, I'm curious.
Whether human activity is to make changes on the development of his body against his genetic soundness? Whether the result of mistakes in life, or just invisible mistakes, be a change of heart, its a physical change? I understand that square in spite of it's genes will not be :)

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:35
by Андрей Патрушев
Колисто wrote:Not really something you are naive to think that what the sounds and flashes of light can change the genetic program of development of the organism??
But an internationally recognized authority, the disciple and follower of Milton Erickson, Ernest L. Rossi, in his book Gene Expression is naive to think that you can do with hypnosis... As a sound and light training obespechivaet mild hypnotic state even "not hypnotizability" people (and of course matter - what attitude of people to this training starts), it turns out that the naivete of a human does not know borders... :?

PS: It's nothing that You're so naive. :) Just do your Thing and don't worry about the naivety of others... :wink:

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 0:30
by Колисто
Дмитрий В. wrote: but in spite of genes, without the sounds and light of the people, conversely, could podnasrat and change their genetic program for the worse? well, for example obesity, cancer, infertility, heart, lungs?
the genetic program of one cell may change, hence cancer.

Everything else is not from the genetic program depends polagaem that was not with genetic disorders. Ie, these violations are dependent on other factors. The genes themselves in order.
Дмитрий В. wrote: I'm not arguing, I'm just asking, I'm curious.
Whether human activity is to make changes on the development of his body against his genetic soundness?
most genetic diseases are currently not curable. After all, what is the activity of genes. Some molecules send chemical signals that others pick up those signals and produce these actions. If this chain is somewhere broken( or some molecules do not produce the desired signals, or other are not vospriimchivosti to them) and then get a thread violation.

With age, the DNA in the cells may be different from the DNA at birth, due to inaccuracies in the copy, free radical damage etc. This is one of the theories of aging.

But if birth cells are not programmed to do something, for example cells of the pancreas to produce insulin, it does not force them to do it, except for gene therapy.Only in the case of insulin, people came up with to do injections regularly and in principle is quite possible to live a normal life.
Дмитрий В. wrote: Whether the result of mistakes in life, or just invisible mistakes, be a change of heart, its a physical change? I understand that square in spite of it's genes will not be :)
well, the bugs lifestyle and genetic errors is a different level of challenge. A genetic error so to say the problem is with the cell, and error lifestyle is a problem outside of the cell.

Well, a long established fact that those that play sports heart a bit more than those who do not. As well as can build muscle - it is not a physical change.
Many ate smoked on the couch was lying, and after 40 had a heart attack - also polecam quite the physical change is the part of the heart muscle is replaced by connective tissue.<

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 0:42
by Колисто
Андрей Патрушев wrote: But an internationally recognized authority, the disciple and follower of Milton Erickson, Ernest L. Rossi, in his book Gene Expression is naive to think that you can do with hypnosis... As a sound and light training obespechivaet mild hypnotic state even "not hypnotizability" people (and of course matter - what attitude of people to this training starts), it turns out that the naivete of a human does not know borders... :?

PS: It's nothing that You're so naive. :) Just do your Thing and don't worry about the naivety of others... :wink:
yeah in his book he can think of anything, and I don't know who it credibility. I don't. Only science is not based on authoritarianism and on evidence, and one of the hallmarks of science is reproducibility of results.

Besides Gene Expression indicates that the gene is switched on at the right time, themselves genes in the DNA chain are in place. or he promises to move a gene from one place in DNA to another?? In all cells of the body? To one a single? Well, then there's even Koperfild resting. Or do you believe that Copperfield, the great magician?


Maybe I have this thing is to do exposure.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:00
by Guest
Колисто wrote:With age the DNA in cells may be different from the DNA at birth, due to inaccuracies in the copy, free radical damage etc. This is one of the theories of aging.
And tellingly, one of the reasons for the accumulation of errors in DNA, believe in America(at least in the books about a healthy lifestyle recommended in the colleges and a complete list of references and where to get it) just call it stress, because when DNA is not copied, but "plugs" at the ends of the spiral is not "devuyst" that drive to a partial split of the spiral and to nepolnoi replication thereof(it turns out not a normal spiral, and u-shaped)...

So the sound and lights still how can you deal with problemami genetics, and uvelichivat protsentnoe a normal ratio gennov.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:15
by Guest
Колисто wrote:But if the birth cells are not programmed to do something, for example cells of the pancreas to produce insulin, it does not force them to do it, except for gene therapy.Only in the case of insulin, people came up with to do injections regularly and in principle is quite possible to live a normal life.
Again, the inaccuracy, the cells programmed to produce insulin, but the candied membrane cells and leads to their isolation. It is a vicious circle - the cells have to produce insulin, and they can't function because syaharani. Moreover, insulin from the outside though, and removes pathological sugar levels in the blood, but at the same time tells the body that insulin is enough to produce it is not necessary - and the cells responsible for its synthesis otmeraut unnecessary. And when external insulin ends - again, there is insulation. In a word, the vicious circle due to inertia. Moreover, the necessary outgrowths of cells of columnar outgrowths of cells can be any cell, but to get it to make only very literacy supply of insulin, calculate insulin doses for each of the times and a gradual reduction in dose. Just in Russia there is a doctor, he defended his doctorate, five years of sitting in the Lenin library in Moscow... He's just this spetsializiruetsya. Can not remember the name, if anyone wants it can find, but not immediately - it will be necessary to call sangamam. So that you don't need to talk about something they don't know. Any disease can be cured, you just have to know where to look for a Doctor with a capital letter. Any one cancer(at least just remove the tumor without operetion and then deal with the defects of the immune system), even though epilepsy(in the provinces of China there is a clan specializing in this - they can).

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 13:40
by Колисто
Anonymous wrote: And tellingly, one of the reasons for the accumulation of errors in DNA, believe in America(at least in the books about a healthy lifestyle recommended in the colleges and a complete list of references and where to get it) just call it stress, because when DNA is not copied, but "plugs" at the ends of the spiral is not "devuyst" that drive to a partial split of the spiral and to nepolnoi replication thereof(it turns out not a normal spiral, and u-shaped)...

So the sound and lights still how can you deal with problemami genetics, and uvelichivat protsentnoe a normal ratio gennov.
very interesting and most importantly very well informed conclusion. As from what you've written implies that the "sound and lights still how can you deal with problemami genetics".

Assuming you are female, because a very peculiar "logic".

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 14:26
by Колисто
Anonymous wrote: Again, the inaccuracy, the cells programmed to produce insulin, but the candied membrane cells and leads to their isolation. It is a vicious circle - the cells have to produce insulin, and they can't function because syaharani. Moreover, insulin from the outside though, and removes pathological sugar levels in the blood, but at the same time tells the body that insulin is enough to produce it is not necessary - and the cells responsible for its synthesis otmeraut unnecessary. And when external insulin ends - again, there is insulation. In a word, the vicious circle due to inertia. Moreover, the necessary outgrowths of cells of columnar outgrowths of cells can be any cell, but to get it to make only very literacy supply of insulin, calculate insulin doses for each of the times and a gradual reduction in dose. Just in Russia there is a doctor, he defended his doctorate, five years of sitting in the Lenin library in Moscow... He's just this spetsializiruetsya. Can not remember the name, if anyone wants it can find, but not immediately - it will be necessary to call sangamam. So that you don't need to talk about something they don't know. Any disease can be cured, you just have to know where to look for a Doctor with a capital letter. Any one cancer(at least just remove the tumor without operetion and then deal with the defects of the immune system), even though epilepsy(in the provinces of China there is a clan specializing in this - they can).
Actually I commitment an example of a genetic disease (do not know whether such a disease really) as a variant of a method of dealing with this bolesiny.

And now about your inaccuracies. "Candied membrane", "cells candied" yeah sounds. Only first in no blood sugar blood glucose. And cell this is not honey to sugar.
Insulin injections therefore are made the body does not produce enough insulin. In the insulin pump for example is continually monitoring the level of glucose in the blood, and if the value is beyond dopustimye the border, is the automatic injection of insulin. The body is given the opportunity to produce the necessary insulin, but what he produces is just not enough.

Well, not the bar and stem cells, firstly, and secondly, any cell can be grown only from embrionalnuju stem cells. When * other specializations can wirasti already not any cell. The doctor has been practicing for stem cell treatment?? And the poor Zapadnoye colleagues are only eksperementiruyu, how to make embryonic stem cells turn into a cell of the pancreas but not in liver cell for example. And where he takes embryonic stem cells?? Cloning I guess. We have allowed the cloning of human embryos??? I'm not arguing this is a promising direction in the treatment of diabetes, but it was at the stage of experimentation only.

And for that he five years was sitting in the Lenin library?? (the weird name for the zone :))))

Yes there is cancer and epilepsy, some won can surgery without vsakih tools to do one session to remove all damage, and other wonderful things.

Who of us here doesn't know anything I personally have no doubts. Hear the sound but don't know where he is..

But we have strayed from the topic<

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 19:37
by Guest
Indeed, it can be anything you want to correct the psyche, but it is necessary to submerge ourselves into the desired state and set the program installation clear on the level of performance follows and all will be.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 21:12
by Соловей
Kalisto
I'm not saying that I'm a medic and know the correct terms, but at the level of the fingers I explained correctly, you can ignore what I write, to laugh or not to laugh at the wrong terms, any pridiratsya names, or to stick to glucose - the essence does not change. If you read correctly again, I said that a good doctor the correct dosage of insulin prostimulirujte the growth of cells responsible for sintekh insulin. I do not know for whom the Moscow Lenin library area. Maybe for you... But selatcia for studies abroad, and any medical investigations to put it mildly is not critical. Official medicine says that insulin is responsible for the feeling of hunger, then why diabetic patients intensive feeding? On account of cancer, in General there is no divination no man pierced a month loading dose of antiseptics(as many pridiratsya names, vitamin C and similar to him in any language and under any name will act the same), and within one to two weeks is placed in a bath at the head with hot running water, bringing the body temperature up to 39.9 degrees Celsia. The production of antibodies should eksponentsialnogo law of the temperature, the tumor disappears(of course this is controlled on the instruments after each bathing). This of course will not cure cancer, but the time for further treatment give.

And generally the task of the doctor, for someone who follows the oath of Hippocrates, to play in science, and treat patients, and what is not important! Though the placebo effect, whatever works. There is no smoke without fire - why go to his grandmother zagovarivatsya, and some of them help someone. If you can't like them, maybe you rushed into a career choice?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 22:32
by Guest
Anonymous wrote:Really, can be anything you want to correct the psyche, but it is necessary to submerge ourselves into the desired state and set the program installation clear on the level of performance follows and all will be.
why Guest ?

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 20:20
by Guest
[quote="Colisto age of DNA in cells may be different from the DNA at birth, due to inaccuracies in the copy, free radical damage etc. This is one of the theories of aging. [/quote]

there are statistics, the meditator Nations, life expectancy is much higher than ours.

Hypnosis turns affects DNA? you do not believe, I say too.

But the fact that external hypnosis can affect external exposure of the cell which makes the cell work differently - a fact. and you know it, for "die, bent and curl" in spite of the programmed functionality of the cells.

Accordingly, the brain when hypnosis and true goal setting is able to provide such external influence capable of altering the activity of cells in the best(any) way, apparently, according to common belief, no violations of the DNA )

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 20:21
by Дмитрий В.
my last message

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 16:53
by Guest
Соловей wrote:Kalisto
I'm not saying that I'm a medic and know the correct terms, but at the level of the fingers I explained correctly
Yes, where is it right, poke your finger

Соловей wrote: If you read correctly again, I said that a good doctor the correct dosage of insulin prostimulirujte the growth of cells responsible for sintekh insulin.
Well, as columnar cells??
Соловей wrote: Official medicine says that insulin is responsible for the feeling of hunger, then why diabetic patients intensive feeding?
If she says so then and there, and the reason can be something very far from the insulin.
Соловей wrote: On account of cancer, in General there is no divination no man pierced a month loading dose of antiseptics(as many pridiratsya names, vitamin C and similar to him in any language and under any name will act the same), and within one to two weeks is placed in a bath at the head with hot running water, bringing the body temperature up to 39.9 degrees Celsia. The production of antibodies should eksponentsialnogo law of the temperature, the tumor disappears(of course this is controlled on the instruments after each bathing). This of course will not cure cancer, but the time for further treatment give.
And how antibodies help fight cancer?? You have an obvious misunderstanding of what cancer cells . These are the same cells only slightly mutated, and so the body does not recognize them as foreign and not fighting with them. So raise not to raise the level of the antibody (although antibodies to cancer cells does not happen) but cancer cells do not care for it.

You want to learn more about transmission, see Ala "Morning with Malakhov". Today uvidel her friends ( so I do not watch TV). been told there about the fight against flu. Well, it's a damn scribe. I now understand why all the people dumber and dumber. Better to be told about how the virus gets into the cell, how it multiplies, how antibodies help in fighting the virus.
Соловей wrote: If you can't like them, maybe you rushed into a career choice?
Well I can't do them, because if I start to heal then you can go to jail for the respective diploma I have.<

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 17:00
by Guest
Anonymous wrote: there are statistics, the meditator Nations, life expectancy is much higher than ours.
Also there are statistics that our nation occupies the first place in alcohol consumption, and the last place in terms of life.

Hypnosis turns affects DNA? you do not believe, I say too.
Anonymous wrote: because "die, bent and curl" in spite of the programmed functionality of the cells.
Well, there is such a thing as apoptosis - programmed cell libcl. So all is not yet understood.
Anonymous wrote: Accordingly, the brain when hypnosis and true goal setting is able to provide such external influence capable of altering the activity of cells in the best(any) way, apparently, according to common belief, no violations of the DNA )
Well, where scientific issledovania on this topic?? Or is it just a belief based on an article published magazines , not scientific.

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 17:01
by Колисто
yeah, it would be better banned, not registered users to leave messages