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Buyer issues :)

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:49
by Михаил_
Good day old-timers forum!
Want to ask a few questions minmachine, maybe they where already sounded and I looked materials, but still...
I read that chronically is not recommended to combine mindmachine and alcohol consumption. Here such moment - I myself do not drink, but wanted to buy a gift for a friend, and he's keen... if I won't do him podlyanku this gift, i.e., something bad can happen with him (it'll make you crazy, or just crap, or even addicted ?) In General, what can be the negative ?
Each programmer, he generally chronic fatigue and schedule around, I want it to replace the glass on other means of relaxation, but I'm afraid not to make things worse....

Second question - is it possible to give the machine easily excitable child 3rd class, as a means of lowering excitability ? What session to put ? And what about the glasses he size of the child, the standard will be by ? to break or make a homemade ?

The third question I realized that we first need to choose one direction, and to engage in its study. Well, for example if it is important for me relaxation from overwork, to begin work only with this, then add other sessions and other work ?
How long ?
If you want to raise intuitive reaction and at the same time do not enter into a sleepy state what to choose in terms of sessions ? Ie a working state when it is necessary to make important decisions, but the head should be clear, calm and so on, but not a dream :) in short, the task for the head and minesweeper :) where error is not acceptable...


Now the question on points - the choice of the site was seen, but the message Patrushev and somewhere else in the materials saw that there are more points Indigo two color ? useful in specific cases. Do they happen to sell and so is the effect of them ?

The fourth question, like is the last, if I take it along with machine mental game, not whether the development of these two "toys" overload for me, if you do it at the same time, more turns, but to start both ? or better to share ?

If you give a typewriter to try friends with all the mentions here about the "SAUCE" that it is better to bet to obtain the most probable effect, that is to say to provide the first positive impression ?

With respect, held almost a buyer mindmachine (to the city from the country drive and purchase going).

PS I couldn't figure out what to take points. And friend, if not dissuade transparent will probably take to it straight for the computer to use, not looking up from his work ?

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:53
by Михаил_
And!!! one more question forgot :)
For Nova Pro, as I understand it, is the editor sessions.... but if I want to buy InnerPulse and then be able to edit the session ?
Or you can instead use some brainwave with the possibility of the formation of audiostrobe ?
And as you can see how ready session ?
If you buy software separately for innerpulse (native) how much will the software ?

Re: Questions for the buyer :)

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 17:11
by Андрей Патрушев
And You, Hello!
I'll try to answer.


I read that chronically is not recommended to combine mindmachine and alcohol consumption. Here such moment - I myself do not drink, but wanted to buy a gift for a friend, and he's keen... if I won't do him podlyanku this gift, i.e., something bad can happen with him (it'll make you crazy, or just crap, or even addicted ?) In General, what can be the negative ?
Each programmer, he generally chronic fatigue and schedule around, I want it to replace the glass on other means of relaxation, but I'm afraid not to make things worse....

From experience I can say that alcohol in conjunction with a mind machine gives an effect like drinking ten times more... on the one hand, it seems there is nothing terrible, on the other hand, people can quickly grasp the fact that what...

Second question - is it possible to give the machine easily excitable child 3rd class, as a means of lowering excitability ? What session to put ? And what about the glasses he size of the child, the standard will be by ? to break or make a homemade?

Excitable child, I would like to recommend his CD "Star wanderer". His glasses still too early. Better with the 14 years to do it if the excitability is not accompanied by cognitive (non-distractibility) problems with the study.

The third question I realized that we first need to choose one direction, and to engage in its study. Well, for example if it is important for me relaxation from overwork, to begin work only with this, then add other sessions and other work ?
How long ?

From experience, I would like to advise everyone to take a course of 2-3 weeks alpha-theta of relaxation, trying all the session from this class. As a result, many it would seem the problems to resolve themselves.

If you want to raise intuitive reaction and at the same time do not enter into a sleepy state what to choose in terms of sessions ? Ie a working state when it is necessary to make important decisions, but the head should be clear, calm and so on, but not a dream :) in short, the task for the head and minesweeper :) where error is not acceptable...

In General, session to the alpha-theta of relaxation just ensure that at the same time relaxed and alert state during the day. Asleep will have You only during light and sound sessions, and not during the day when you have to make decisions.

Now the question on points - the choice of the site was seen, but the message Patrushev and somewhere else in the materials saw that there are more points Indigo two color ? useful in specific cases. Do they happen to sell and so is the effect of them ?

Effect of Indigo by any other points is not reproduced. This is based on the physiology of vision. Remember how baby three-dimensional images, which is necessary with two-tone points to consider.
Indigo gives an interesting three-dimensional images.


The fourth question, like is the last, if I take it along with machine mental game, not whether the development of these two "toys" overload for me, if you do it at the same time, more turns, but to start both ? or better to share ?

No problems with the combination will not. Except, perhaps, to the difficulties in achieving results in the mental games, if you held a light session on relaxation.

If you give a typewriter to try friends with all the mentions here about the "SAUCE" that it is better to bet to obtain the most probable effect, that is to say to provide the first positive impression ?

Most likely, this "morning" session, which you can download on the website.

PS I couldn't figure out what to take points. And friend, if not dissuade transparent will probably take to it straight for the computer to use, not looking up from his work ?

No, friend, not necessary transparent, and it can not work. Then there is the presupposition of flashes of the screen with points will overlap - not even a predictable result. Would it be advisable to better just resting my eyes, but in them, the images are rather poor - the companion will drop quickly from boredom. I think Colortrak now on the market are the coolest, in terms of entertainment, followed by ultra-bright White, spectrum Pro, then Indigo. But in terms of the effects on the brain, all the same. There is, however, another aspect: Indigo and Ultrabright Blue (blue) more secure, if there is the slightest suspicion of a tendency to photoepilation. Again, Ultrabright Blue is a very nice treat insomnia, but too tedious...

And!!! one more question forgot
For Nova Pro, as I understand it, is the editor sessions.... but if I want to buy InnerPulse and then be able to edit the session ?
Or you can instead use some brainwave with the possibility of the formation of audiostrobe ?
And as you can see how ready session ?
If you buy software separately for innerpulse (native) how much will the software ?

To Innerpulse editor is sold separately. Audiostrobe for disks neither on that nor on the other do not. There is a separate editors (the same Brainwave).
The complete structure of the sessions can be viewed using the free software Library which can be downloaded from the website.


Good luck running!

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 19:09
by Malvina
to provide the first positive impression
I first tried the built-in session. Visual images, Yes, but the sound somehow did not like. Long session I did not want to listen to 10 minutes maximum. Then switched to listening to CDs with audiostrobe. And very much. And the more I listen, the more I like him. And, interestingly, now built-in session, like it, like it long.
I use CDs when we first met.

Re: Questions for the buyer :)

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 23:14
by @ndrey
Of points I would advise Kolor track or premium white.I have tried all types of glasses and these give the most beautiful "picture".As an option-transparent glasses PV-stim white premium.I now use these.

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:45
by Михаил_
Thanks for the replies.
And Colortrac supersedes the other ? ie it can operate in the mode just Ultrabay ? mode Indigo ?

And by the way, do I understand that the store (office) is closed on the weekends ?

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:44
by Андрей Кабанков
Color glasses color track:
1. Frequency tracking (ColorTrack)-color changing frequencies, respectively included session
alpha green; sensory-motor rhythm - orange low beta - red; high beta - Indigo; gamma - fuchsia.
2. Red
3. Amber
4. Orange
5. Gold
6. Yellow
7. Green
8. Light green
9. Yellowish-green Chartreuse
10. Sea wave
11. Blue
12. Blue
13. Blue
14. Indigo
15. Fuchsia
16. Dark red
17. Light pink
18. Off white
19. White
20. Right red, left blue
21. Right blue, left green

19 color - white,14,20 -Indigo

Mode of operation office :mon-Fri 10-18,Saturday 10-17 ,Sunday closed.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:47
by Михаил_
Until the end and did not understand whether the mode is "Indigo" in colortrac, analog two-tone glasses Indigo.

Understand that the new have not yet purchased but have already selected a toy, will make me a good satrani article in the near future :)
Because the choices a lot :) and many want to try, including transparent glass and so on.

By the way proskynesis network in search of information on mindmachines, found that their weight,and that there is a certain piece of hardware, it seems Sirius is sold at the world from the selling price of 99 dollars (and I do not understand is the price with glasses or not). There are not presented because photosonix much better-cooler ? Or are there any other reasons ?

Session from devices from other manufacturers similar to session machines of photosonics or are they different ? compare has anyone tried ?
And here on some domestic website the seller advertises that he can buy fused in the format audiostrobe session on a CD-ROM, from different machines (from different manufacturers).
Well, okay, I was wondering you need it to someone or not.

I'm just used to approach the study of new directions quite thoroughly, in General, of course I wouldn't want to buy 5 different cars and compare :) but curiosity afraid of torment .....

By the way, the same question applies to bare devices, on the market there are several species, although as I understand it, mentales comes with all.
The pictures kind of sensors are different.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 13:32
by Андрей Патрушев
Until the end and did not understand whether the mode is "Indigo" in colortrac, analog two-tone glasses Indigo.

No, Colortrac change the color consistent and Indigo in there just the name of one color, and glasses, Indigo give a combination of two colors that the brain reacts differently. Such a "stretching" and constructed effect of these points.

By the way proskynesis network in search of information on mindmachines, found that their weight,and that there is a certain piece of hardware, it seems Sirius is sold at the world from the selling price of 99 dollars (and I do not understand is the price with glasses or not). There are not presented because photosonix much better-cooler ? Or are there any other reasons ?

We orientirueshsya on mindmachine company Photosonix as firmly believe that the ratio quality-price, currently, this is the best products on the market. :P
Sirius rather primitive machine (this does not mean that it doesn't work), there are no binaural beats (just the ripple) and audiostrobe (in a similar flash in the glasses are synchronized with the change of volume of any audio programs). According to user reviews - "not a fountain" :D If we take the car cheaper, it Люма10 out of competition.

Session from devices from other manufacturers similar to session machines of photosonics or are they different ? compare has anyone tried ?

Yes And no. The ranges are the same, the sequence is different. Still nobody can say that session to do just so and not otherwise. While it's art. Session for Photosonics did renowned neuroscientists, having experience with svatopluka.

And here on some domestic website the seller advertises that he can buy fused in the format audiostrobe session on a CD-ROM, from different machines (from different manufacturers).
Well, okay, I was wondering you need it to someone or not.

Yes, God knows who needs it. Except that those who have not mindmachine, and only the decoders of audiostrobe. Audiostrobe provides for interesting music, and if there all the same, "Dun, Dun, Dun..." as in triple sessions, then what's the point? For those who are mindmachine, usually "chase" one or two of any session, that is even a built-in potential is not fully used...

I'm just used to approach the study of new directions quite thoroughly, in General, of course I wouldn't want to buy 5 different cars and compare :) but curiosity afraid of torment .....

I did so, but "first love" - Photosonix - was stronger. :P

By the way, the same question applies to bare devices, on the market there are several species, although as I understand it, mentales comes with all.
The pictures kind of sensors are different.

Metalgama "go" only with devices ThoughtStream and Mind Reflection. Other devices have (or not have) their software

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46
by Михаил_
Andrew, thanks for the replies. They came new questions:
1.
not found points of Indigo the price of the website, does this mean that they are not worth to order from the manufacturer ?

2. Questions about cars from other manufacturers are asking not out of a desire to buy something cheaper, and that's because I want to understand the difference. And the choice I did, at least on a typewriter.
Friday drive to the city, take innerpulse. Glasses and decided.
Colortrak not yet understand what his rush,but probably going to start with them. Will remain for experiments on Indigo and then transparent glass.
But about Sirius did not understand until the end, and what are binaural beats it no ? like if the machine allows to program the illumination of the diodes, then can't you get any ?
In other words, does this impact on the efficiency of written sesii ?

And another question - about the boss, and what's the difference ThoughtStream and Mind Reflection ? the pictures sellers have different sensors like ?

Thanks for the detailed advice :)[/quote]

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:51
by Андрей Кабанков
Glasses Indigo is on the website under "points".In Russian they are called "red - blue".These glasses can be bought from us.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:57
by Андрей Кабанков
ThoughtStream device of the old generation,connects to your computer via COM port.The manufacturer of the mental games -the company audiostrobe released its more modern model of the Mind Reflection.Connection via USB does not require drivers,improved quality of feedback.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 13:00
by Андрей Патрушев
not found points of Indigo the price of the website, does this mean that they are not worth to order from the manufacturer ?

This red-blue

Colortrak not yet understand what his rush,but probably going to start with them. Will remain for experiments on Indigo and then transparent glass.

Each color with the same session gives a different picture, and in the process of the session, the change of colors gives a lot of different and beautiful images.

But about Sirius did not understand until the end, and what are binaural beats it no ? like if the machine allows to program the illumination of the diodes, then can't you get any ?
In other words, does this impact on the efficiency of written sesii ?

Binaural beats are sound. About them You can read in detail in my articles on this website.

And another question - about the boss, and what's the difference ThoughtStream and Mind Reflection ? the pictures sellers have different sensors like ?

ThoughtStream is an older version

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 13:56
by Михаил_
Once again thanks for the replies!
About the boss understood everything I wanted :)
About car realized even earlier.
The glasses understand that calotren replaces a bunch of other, except Indigo and gives its advantages at the expense of polychromy.
About beats and things went to teach materiel (article Andrei Patrushev).

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 14:27
by Михаил_
By the way, what tuning to breath, declared in Innerpulse ?

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 16:41
by Андрей Кабанков
Quote from the description:

Setting respiratory steps

You can create the respiratory session on the pattern of your breathing mode BrP
Click PLAY
When the session starts, press SELECT until the mode oPL
Click PLAY
Press SELECT until the mode BrP
You are in the mode of setting session breathing pattern
Press the UP button while inhaling on the growing tone in the headphones and release it at the end of the breath.
If you need a breath-hold after releasing the mouse button at the end of the breath hit her for the period of delay.
The unit will begin repeating the same cycles of breathing.
The display will show the number of complete respiratory cycles per minute.

Re: Questions for the buyer :)

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 0:59
by Михаил_
I hope I'm not tired of your questions :) ?
Just information is not so much on the subject... from the article site I read. Forum threads probably almost all.
In General, children's cinema-journal want-all-know :)
Андрей Патрушев wrote: I read that chronically is not recommended to combine mindmachine and alcohol consumption. Here such moment - I myself do not drink, but wanted to buy a gift for a friend, and he's keen... if I won't do him podlyanku this gift, i.e., something bad can happen with him (it'll make you crazy, or just crap, or even addicted ?) In General, what can be the negative ?
Each programmer, he generally chronic fatigue and schedule around, I want it to replace the glass on other means of relaxation, but I'm afraid not to make things worse....

From experience I can say that alcohol in conjunction with a mind machine gives an effect like drinking ten times more... on the one hand, it seems there is nothing terrible, on the other hand, people can quickly grasp the fact that what...
After a week of deliberation, decided this time to defer.
First get own experience with glasses, but with the alcohol will not get because they do not upotrebu in any form at all, but something I was slightly strained at the possible consequences.
Glasses sure thing technical, but somehow it comes to mind that the combination of alcohol and various practices are usually very bad and leads to bad consequences.
How interesting this question generally at a wide circulation of machines around the world ? times there are negative reviews then it's probably nothing and I should not tense.
Андрей Патрушев wrote:
Excitable child, I would like to recommend his CD "Star wanderer". His glasses still too early. Better with the 14 years to do it if the excitability is not accompanied by cognitive (non-distractibility) problems with the study.
Drives all Your buying, along with the machine.
As I understand it to the best effect(and generally was), you need to drive the headphones to listen to ?
Problems with the study, the child mostly no, there are other problems related to family situation is quite complicated, we can say that the child's depression, regularly turning in strong emotional outbursts. How would I know how to treat it without any disks, but my wife and I divorced, the child can see two days a week and factor in my personal influence is the smallest, so we try to influence the situation, by something.

And one quite General question. Here courses - by all appearances, a good thing mindmachine. Strange how I missed such a direction and never until recently never heard...
Was discovered almost "by accident", by analogy. A friend saw I have a different device and said that this site would interest me.
I can not understand, and what they have is not on every corner really ? That inhibits the growth of popularity ?

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 20:41
by Михаил_
Took 13 CDs of Andrey Patrushev and the machine.
Study....
By the way inconvenient that the samizdat (discs) are not signed, moreover, covers not everywhere the names are (by design).
I'll go sign them.... to not confuse them.

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 21:28
by Андрей Кабанков
Unfortunately, at present number of user of mind machines and great to release a CD of Andrei Patrushev the industrial way is not yet possible.
The issue with the fact that the disks had individual registration will be resolved in the near future.We apologize for the inconvenience of CD packaging.
Hopefully, the internal contents will not disappoint You :D

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 21:43
by Михаил_
So it's all clear :) well signed from the hand marker :) convenience is paramount :)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 0:10
by Михаил_
First impressions:
1) have all tried family members a vivid reaction from the first time (not images, but there is a certain effect).
2) the wife while listening to "evening" session Patrushev reflection found in problem areas on the body. Interesting strong effect.
Of course while about something concrete to speak early, a little time has passed.

Also received a "Guide", the disk is really (from the point of view of the text) is very thought out, thanks to the author's great, great, competent work.

Tried glasses pvStim - came to the conclusion that it is possible to use them fine and with my eyes closed, the effect is due to more "parameterdesc" the location of the diodes is good.
Apparently the next series will be making heaps of "homemade" :) for experiments.

Not got to actively work with mentalgaming, but when the first attempt to found that is either not very able to relax, or nearly always so relaxed :)
Play some more - we'll see.

In General, all very much, and all.
Though of course the kind of innerpulse, as I already wrote in a branch about glasses surprised by circuitry of the ' 80s. Now this in funkcionalnosti piece of metal, you can make many times more economical on diet, fucntionally and more beautiful. Not to mention do not end up neat stamping of the housing and the lining.
Stupid segment red display and multiple blunt control system...
In my instance even slightly naughty connector external audio input, sometimes leaves one channel.
Apparently through mesyachishko going to feel the glands from other manufacturers, to understand and to compare.

Thank you all.

Re: Questions for the buyer :)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 14:09
by Андрей Патрушев
I hope I'm not tired of your questions :) ?
Just information is not so much on the subject... from the article site I read. Forum threads probably almost all.
In General, children's cinema-journal want-all-know :)

No, of course not tired. I intentionally promote (in terms of information) mindmachine on the Russian market for several years now, as indeed I believe that by using these devices, people in Russia can solve many pressing problems, and thus "life has become better, life has become merrier"...

by the Way, You question. Judging by the posts You such devices have long been interested in and understand them. The site is called "Psychotronics", this means the impact of technical means. And we'd like to collect the most complete collection of such devices. Can what prompt?

How interesting this question generally at a wide circulation of machines around the world ? times there are negative reviews then it's probably nothing and I should not tense.

Manufacturers, of course, the negativity is not write, but they never met too. But from experience: one lady actually got knocked out after a glass of wizened (celebrated my birthday). I didn't know where to go with it. For the first time noticed that the dose, which is lightweight, has decreased significantly.

Drives all Your buying, along with the machine.
As I understand it to the best effect(and generally was), you need to drive the headphones to listen to ?

Yes, definitely headphones.

And one quite General question. Here courses - by all appearances, a good thing mindmachine. Strange how I missed such a direction and never until recently never heard...
Was discovered almost "by accident", by analogy. A friend saw I have a different device and said that this site would interest me.
I can not understand, and what they have is not on every corner really ? That inhibits the growth of popularity ?

First time I read about mindmachine in the journal "technology Youth" in the Soviet times. It was written that the canadian oil platforms (the Arctic circle) has been reached amazing results with regular use mindmachine. Decreased level of depression (a common thing during the polar night), the result of significantly decreased the number of accidents and injuries. There was also a PostScript, in the Bekhterev Institute are already doing domestic mindmachine (and where is it?).
I think people are intimidated by the media and the Church about the effects on the brain (all we love senselessly staring at the TV :wink: ) and it stops many sellers. On the other hand, mindmachine even abroad have not yet reached the level of consumer goods (ugly, not very comfortable, functional) and it also deters those from abroad unlucky in Russia, all sorts of things. Then the price is clearly too high for the Russian market. And it turns out that even if someone hears something in passing, you will not understand - why is it necessary, and even postebatsya (go, for example. the forum site Optical illusions and read there comments on my article). Because we have in Russia the best advertising is the advice of a friend.


the idea is that mindmachine already can be embedded in a cell phone. Glasses to replace the compact Cup with soft edges and built-in LEDs.
Long had their Russian machines to produce, but it does promote good.I have developed the idea mindmachine better than abroad, Yes, but no one can do...

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:05
by Михаил_
No, of course not tired. I intentionally promote (in terms of information) mindmachine on the Russian market for several years now, as indeed I believe that by using these devices, people in Russia can solve many pressing problems, and thus "life has become better, life has become merrier"...
Yeah, me too, after acquaintance to materials on the website came up with this idea and I think it actively. But IMHO, if the advance, this should be EN masse and not in the calculation on the esoteric shops or casual site visitors.
So if I think of that idea may become a competitor, but I'm still not convinced of the harmlessness of this glands.
For example, some people argue that the standard brainwaves presets are not very useful for the brain and the action is similar to the glue point. (I wryly quoted from another forum). In General, it is not clear what the drunk who dashed off this whole set of sessions and how it was tested the effects from them. Judging by the available free sessions, most of them are very primitive, in comparison for example with Yours. There are serious the impression that it's more of a publicity stunt than a precise work of specialists, as the session begins to be selling element one more.
Since the reviews are mostly positive - I believe that the effect is mostly positive, but I fully trust only their feelings. And then there's just before, not a lot of time has passed.
Additionally this can be also an intermediate option, when the "side" effects are, but there are a number of people for whom still more useful than without.
In General, until a clear opinion recommend to anyone will not, it is still a head :)
Although his family now run when we are in Moscow, let say "fly".
By the way, You question. Judging by the posts You such devices have long been interested in and understand them. The site is called "Psychotronics", this means the impact of technical means. And we'd like to collect the most complete collection of such devices. Can what prompt?
Oh no, this is a wrong opinion on my posts.
I am interested in this and close the subject for a long time.
But prefer most often cost on their own. Without the thingies. Although in my life there was a period when I played in the little machines are different, the truth is more about medizinstudentin profile, like krotkovskeho GDV, etc. Kept as a hobby medical center reflexology with a variety of advanced diagnostic methods.
Then I got tired much.
That there was no polatok - I'm not a doctor, I don't know who I am :) but the profile of past activities Internet and software. Or should I say the management and production of projects from scratch :)

As gizmo mentioned in my post, which you can say that got me here, I think needs to be known and so is the intuition exerciser arbekovskiy, can be found on their website.
Thing is a little wacky and definitely not for everyone. By the way the manufacturer has not resolved the issues with the possible effects of current and so if you buy a trainer they make you sign a piece of paper that says I'm generally not sick, perfectly healthy :) In General, dumb thing Taser sell, INM steep roof, so let them in the games and play.

Appliances that come to my mind for "analogy" to the word psychotronics is unfortunately not commercially available and take up too much space. For example I remember kaznacheyevskiy hypomagnetic tube, probably heard.
But it's a half ton of parmalee and price accordingly :) Yes, still have to resolve issues with the patent holder :) and that they do not burn with the desire to duplicate it. Although the site MNYIKA all died, don't know what they have now, I have stopped contact.
Although someone Kravchenko from Ufa, the same issue easier making a coil of a multilayer of fiberglass, but still, it's exotic. So useful do not give advice.
There was also a PostScript, in the Bekhterev Institute are already doing domestic mindmachine (and where is it?).
I think people are intimidated by the media and the Church about the effects on the brain (all we love senselessly staring at the TV Wink ) and it stops many sellers. On the other hand, mindmachine even abroad have not yet reached the level of consumer goods (ugly, not very comfortable, functional) and it also deters those from abroad unlucky in Russia, all sorts of things. Then the price is clearly too high for the Russian market. And it turns out that even if someone hears something in passing, you will not understand - why is it necessary, and even postebatsya (go, for example. the forum site Optical illusions and read there comments on my article). Because we have in Russia the best advertising is the advice of a friend.
The one from the Bekhterev Institute think of the intelligence services. And it could sink into oblivion too secretively :)
About intimidated - I don't know. 8 people who I could tell, not in the form of advice, but in the form of interesting news, immediately perceived adequately, many asked to try.
the idea is that mindmachine already can be embedded in a cell phone. Glasses to replace the compact Cup with soft edges and built-in LEDs.
Well put, except that points have more headphones, as I understand it, the requirements of hard and little plug-in lugs are not very good ? So the cell probably still nikagda the fact is that we all have the same electronics behind.... and then the question of compactness and beauty. Such things are now well the Chinese are doing, not only not reliable, but normal.
Yes, for example with the same mindplay second office in kongkong that probably also points to the roots of production.
The matter is not the way to promotion, this is problem number two, and that for the production of normal, not low volume cars you need
on the stage of development and setting the production sunk a sickly amount, otherwise, it's another photosonix on the circuits yesterday. The thing just primitive, but the point is that when available on the Western market toys if to do something, then korennym way more efficient, or dramatically more compact and more beautiful-more comfortable or much cheaper.
Better than all three components at once.
It will end because those Chinese throw on the market a cheap technique and Zapruder her everything.

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 14:20
by Андрей Патрушев
Yeah, me too, after acquaintance to materials on the website came up with this idea and I think it actively. But IMHO, if the advance, this should be EN masse and not in the calculation on the esoteric shops or casual site visitors.
I do not agree that this should be EN masse. In my opinion, it should go to whom do you want.
So if I thought smart enough, you may become a competitor, but I'm still not convinced of the harmlessness of this glands.
For example, some people argue that the standard brainwaves presets are not very useful for the brain and the action is similar to the glue point. (I wryly quoted from another forum).
If you exceed over time the impact of 45-60 minutes (individually), and like that "glued together" state.
In General it is not clear what the drunk who dashed off this whole set of sessions and how it was tested the effects from them. Judging by the available free sessions, most of them are very primitive, in comparison for example with Yours. There are serious the impression that it's more of a publicity stunt than a precise work of specialists, as the session begins to be selling element one more.
This apparent primitiveness. And I'm in my sessions used data from domestic physiologists (little known abroad). Unfortunately, these guys somehow does not respond well to feedback. I asked them to do a simple amplitude modulation via light and sound with a number of adjustable parameters, they duck some obscene nonsense breathing did. So you have in the sessions so izgalyatsya segments.
Because the reviews are mostly positive - I believe that the effect is mostly positive, but I fully trust only their feelings. And then there's just before, not a lot of time has passed.
Additionally this can be also an intermediate option, when the "side" effects are, but there are a number of people for whom still more useful than without.
Of course, there are side effects, such as improving the quality of sleep, normalization of pressure, improve the immune system.... :P
Although one Kravchenko from Ufa, the same issue easier making a coil of a multilayer of fiberglass, but still, it's exotic. So useful do not give advice.
Yes people conventional coil shakes, connects their headphones instead of the temporal lobe and drags...
the One from the Bekhterev Institute think of the intelligence services. And it could sink into oblivion too secretively :)
Yes, if the intelligence services... When I was on retraining in Moscow, there is just the guys from FSB brought our teachers a primitive Czech mindmachine to brag about. Aplomb, of course, as expected, there were many...
About intimidated - I don't know. 8 people who I could tell, not in the form of advice, but in the form of interesting news, immediately perceived adequately, many asked to try.
I say that the best advertising is the advice of a friend, and in what form it is given, it doesn't matter. :)
Well put, except that points have more headphones, as I understand it, the requirements of hard and little plug-in lugs are not very good?
No there are no special requirements. All binaurally arranged in the middle range.
Yes the thing is that we all have the same electronics behind.... and then the question of compactness and beauty.
Yes, nobody is now in our base and not doing, and theirs is quite compact and cheap. The beauty is also you can if you want to restore.
the matter is by the way not promotion, this is problem number two, and that for the production of normal, not low volume cars you need
on the stage of development and setting the production sunk a sickly amount, otherwise, it's another photosonix on the circuits yesterday. The thing just primitive, but the point is that when available on the Western market toys if to do something, then korennym way more efficient, or dramatically more compact and more beautiful-more comfortable or much cheaper.
Better than all three components at once.
Well, we did the beautiful and unique array of therapeutic capabilities of the machine Hephaestus, money vbuhali, as You say... what's the point? No promotion, almost no one takes, and stuff where only the lights flash (I'm not talking about mindmachine :wink: ) make out with a whistle... of Course, it is only those who have a different production and marketing established, but there is sooo much inertia.

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 15:55
by Михаил_
About the mass - there are looking to compare..... Which is better, the young beer and Telekom poison, or better develop and also success in school improve ?
I do not know....I do not know.... I think :)

And priborki sort of Hephaestus - that's another story. This is a more specialised thing, about the health we usually think in last turn. All live power habits from outside the graft.
To push effectively you just what can be bulk, then would you have left if it was the machine for weight loss :)
sorry actually...

About the sessions - I mean, personally, I don't know how and what experts photosonics (or other companies) has been programmed.
I am too often faced with the fact that the claimed science was "science".
By the way do not understand that a difficult to do any form of signal for light and sound, it's solely a firmware issue, and that in turn is so easy for such devices that the issue is a labor-month of one programmer....
By the way IMHO the easiest option :) stick a second sound card in the machine and one to use as audio and one as video output. Here is mindmachine with unlimited programming capabilities...

Okay. I realized that still more neglected than I was expecting....
I will study this further....