The choice between InnerPulse, Nova Pro 100 and MindSpa

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:18

1. The site indicated that the Nova Pro 100 has a better sound. In what ways? And if possible please provide supporting arguments technical specification or at least decipher your empirical experience with these models.
2. For InnerPulse indicated the presence of technology "PhaseErase" ( designed to suppress specific frequencies in the brain, which is useful in the treatment of certain types of deviations ), is there more detailed information about using this feature.
3. "... All sessions, Nova Pro 100 come to InnerPulse, but not Vice versa." You might think that the new session will be created by the manufacturer, or by enthusiasts with the expectation of a new model InnerPulse, and given the lack of backward compatibility, the Nova Pro 100 will gradually go into oblivion. ( Read the materials on the website make sure that the range of sessions and their progressive upgrade and addition to the traditions of the company and its fans ( Compare with brevity and militantly MindSpa with its properly placed in accordance with the harmony of the surrounding world by the Providence of the Creator 6 + 6 diodes white light and the ability otaplivaya and prilepova opaque film to change that is to say the style perception of reality. P. S. the film, of course short-lived, but this option is obviously more interesting 2 pairs of glasses from Photosonix, in the sense of economic viability, if by the way to immediately determine whether you want with open eyes or not to have self-knowledge, and to forget about the existence of this low-cost solution in the form of a film.

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 16:17

Apparently looked,

6th generation MindSpa programmable Neuro-Programmer 2 ( the Creators recommend ). However, Andrei Patrushev continues to insist on audiophile qualities of the Nova Pro 100 in comparison with the MindSpa and other, without going into details, however.
Dimas says MindSpa "to introduces much tougher and uncompromising, so to speak...I ( Dimasу ) it is difficult to find words to convey his feelings on the matter... ), and given the rare ( and therefore priceless ) criticism of the users, in relation to the InnerPulse ( the action of the apparatus is zero, the relaxation - prelacies on the program with the promised sleep is not sleep), I start to wonder. No, of course, Dimas, or Patrushev then answer about the need for a gradual entry, adaptation of the brain to perception and readiness for anything new/good (disease de than one year are earned), but as always I want to hear explanations, additions, approval... As you know for the same price ( not in money happiness ), competition for resources ( den. signs ) between the above models is the place to be and of course there is an irresistible desire to see in the pages of this website, ( and if not then please give a link to the material online ( albeit English., the benefit of the ability to use gratuitous automatic translators God has not deprived ), a more sane analysis of differences in consumer characteristics, characteristics of devices than "photos", the number of wires and ease of inserting into the reticule.

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 19:15

Continue to answer your questions.
Regarding "PhaseErase":
Mit dem Begriff "heruntertrainieren" beziehst Du Dich wahrscheinlich auf die PhaseErase-Funktion des InnerPulse (vermute ich jedenfalls). Hierbei geht es jedoch nicht darum, die Frequenz zu trainieren herunter, sondern die Amplitude der Gehirnwellen auf einer spezifischen Frequenz. Dies geschieht durch unregelmäßige Unterbrechungen der Stimulation auf der jeweiligen Frequenz. Dies ist zum Beispiel sehr nützlich bei ADS-Patienten (ohne Hyperaktivität), die auch bei offenen Augen eine sehr starke Theta-Aktivität aufweisen, welche für das Konzentrationsdefizit verantwortlich ist. Mit Hilfe der PhaseErase-Funktion soll es möglich sein, die starke Gehirnwellenaktivität Theta im-Bereich (oder in anderen Anwendungsfällen auch auf beliebigen anderen Frequenzen) abzusenken. Ich habe leider noch keine wissenschaftlichen Untersuchungen über dieses Feature zu Gesicht bekommen, weshalb hier ist man gezwungen, den Behauptungen des Herstellers zu Glauben schenken. Um ganz ehrlich zu sein, da bin ich selbst immer etwas kritisch, solange eine solche Behauptung nicht von unabhängiger Seite bestätigt wurde.

Карил · Post by **Карил** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 22:34

Мирта wrote:to relax - not relax, on the program with the promised sleep is not sleep

My InnerPulse. I'll try to describe their condition.
Session on relaxation behaves.

The first part.
After the beginning of the session after 15-30 seconds off the internal dialogue, they evoke the emptiness and freshness in the body some nervous excitement. If something like that should happen and I should notice and remember all the details. This condition is sometimes stronger, sometimes almost not noticeable.

The second part. Occurs within 3-8 minutes. I don't watch the clock, so to speak very roughly.
The excitement subsides. In the head themselves appear thoughts, inner speech. More than half of the time I don't even know what I think. You have to make an effort not to float away in thought. I try to get out of your head and nothing to think about, including not to think about the sound and light mind machine. At about this time I notice that relaxing time. Arms, legs, warm, heavy, as sleepy, lethargic. In short relaxed and himself talking.

The third part. If it turns out not to waste vosparenie first (void) status and not be distracted, then comes a new 3rd state. Nervous care is replaced by a passive, indifferent observation. Internal dialogue is either missing or very muted. Condition in the mind like the freshness, but little else.

The fourth part.
At some point, emotionally, comes a wave of joy, optimism, will to live. But it is not the willingness to remember something or fear to miss something. And just the joy of existence in its purest form. In the moment when there is joy, in the murky dark (although the eyes are covered with glasses really) start to appear black and gray images. If I thought about the machine, it suddenly can be quite a strange model, with a lot of small details, you notice almost no scratches on the hood. As I understand it, that see the car, the image fades-blurs-blur. After some time, you may receive another image, such as a detailed. It may be some kind of machinery or an ordinary water faucet.

The fourth state lasts literally 30 seconds and I fall back predydushie in 3rd relaxed and empty, without a sense of joy. If this time not concentrate, you fall for another as below. Once again thoughts arise, begin with yourself to discuss something.

Forgot the pressure in my head. It's a strange feeling, as if physical pressure inside the head. And pressure can be left behind. And yet with some desire, this feeling can move from left to right, you can distribute all over the head. The condition of rather quickly within 3-5 minutes drops to nothing, but if you stop and predloziti play with it, can get a headache. Most of this pressure was evident in the beginning of my experiments with mind-machine and especially with the CD "brain Massage". As I understand it is a transitional state between normal and heightened health-care. I guess the brain needs some time to learn to use more glucose, to consume more oxygen, to increase the pressure and blood flow. Head started to hurt just because the brain tired to work in the strengthened mode.

If I feel tired, I slept and was overloaded with work, the fourth condition does not hold in General, 2-5 seconds. And pronounced it very poorly. And the whole session is swimming between the second and third. If you do not make any effort, only by itself, holding only the second condition. But the fact is that due to fatigue no effort to make it not want at all, and you want to relax.

The end of the session.
After a mind-machine will cease to buzz and blink, I removed the glasses, headphones and a while lie. To move at this point do not want at all, muscles are relaxed. Think especially do not want too, if before the session was tired, then fall asleep-slumber very easily. So what about the sessions to relaxation assure that this was definitely the plan all right. Another interesting feature heard very good different quiet the noise is usually not noticeable. It could be the janitor who cleans the snow and I live on the 15th floor and the window I closed. Honking cars, screaming people, all those sounds that usually pass by, but here they literally attract attention. This acute hearing is lost after 2-3 minutes. After some time 5-10-30 minutes stretch up and feel fresh and rested. This unusual cheerfulness lasts an hour, maybe half.

If after the session you need something to do and no time to lie, you stretch and get up, but feel dizzy. Plus in my head Pustota and buzz, and I have some time, do not understand, how would fall out of the flow of your thoughts-goals. But in a moment where returning to normal. Quiet external sounds do not perceive. The state of vitality, gives a splash rabotosposobnosti. What is important to me. Better to spend half an hour on a mind-machine, but then an hour and a half to feel fit and healthy. Tired than two hours to suffer some sort of garbage types of movies or lasagna on the Internet, while not having goals and, accordingly, at least some results.

Now, about the sessions for sleep. I used them a couple of times with the sad result of what I will write next. I do not remember completely the session in detail, whether it is also a transition state, but the final as I remember quite well. This state of reduced emotional activity, i.e. my thoughts and words do not cause a response in the body, the emotions. If I think about something frightening or exciting me, my thought does not cause ordinary sensations. Of course it will if I will follow and support the state. I would not say that it was a dream, it's like my thoughts are squeezed from all sides and I feel pressure and heaviness. The weight is different from the pressure in my head which I described earlier, it puts pressure inside the head, and that was sent out. The head is really heavy and you can tell sleepy, although this is not entirely true. But I think it is because of this severity and sonnosti session was organized as causing sleep. This state is not sleep, it's like waiting for that I'll go deeper inside yourself. What will happen if this happens I don't know, but since I was expecting to fall asleep and listened to before bed, then I fell asleep. Another is the usual point of this and all other States – the lack of internal dialogue.

Now the sad results. The fact that in those two times when I decided to take advantage of a sleepy sessions I was rudely awakened. It was the slam of the door, then turned on the pump-a vacuum cleaner for inflatable bed, you shouted something. In General, the next day I instead of a good sleep, got a good headache with nausea. State something identichnie hangover, except for the thirst, the vibrating conveyor body and weakness. All day I couldn't concentrate, I was sick, sick. In General, I was very bad. As it wasn't the hangover the body is felt as usual. Perhaps the condition is called diffuse inhibition. The second time I decided to listen to the carotid session I also woke up and although it was only once per night and not as dramatically, but enough for me. I got the same bottled braking, although in a much less pronounced form. In short until I know for sure that at night nobody will Wake up the third time I will not try.

I never listened to Nova Pro or MindSpa therefore unable to say anything as to compare with the InnerPulse. And one more detail, these premium white. And a couple of months ago I bought a Sennheiser HD555. Compared to walking included with the InnerPulse I think they have a cleaner (transparent) sound. But I'm not an audiophile and can make mistakes. Another very important point covering all the ear earpieces. In those days when I had a cold and I have had an ear infection, use standard interpolyatsii I just could not. It hurt to wear headphones that put pressure on the ear. But I listened to wonderful mindmachine in Sennheiser that on ears do not press.<

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 13:46

Mindmachine (any) - it's not enema,

- she's not doing for You, and only offers a certain status.

If You are ready to let go of yourself and surrender to the process, the effect proposed in the session, if not ready, it has no... I, for one, and for that I love ABC you always have a choice, unlike the same chemistry.
Take any rich in sound file in wav format and compress, making two files with bitrates 320, and 128. If at the hearing between the three files for You there is no difference, then the difference between Innerpulse, MindSpa and Nova Pro 100 You feel.

A comparison of the devices of the company Photosonics can be found here http://www.mindmachine.ru/articles/table.htm

Князевский · Post by **Князевский** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 14:53

Mindmachine (any) - it's not enema,

I knew it!

фланирующая крыша · Post by **фланирующая крыша** » Sat May 10, 2008 3:36

so take my e -?
Want Nova - Pro, the money is there, but nothing to spend it for senseless option is not desirable. Really advise.

Read the comparison table, particularly memorable phrase about the fact that Innerpulse no analogues, is a leader. The difference between the bitrates hear, I prefer Andrea Bocelli

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat May 10, 2008 19:13

Took Innerpulse:
Technology (improv). The instrument has 4 built-in (improv) session. The technology that each segment of the session when you run starts with a randomly selected frequency (in the frame specified for the session range) and has a randomly selectable by the processor the duration. Carrier frequency and phase are also selected randomly. To the question of the possible addictive.
One option is the installation of different light intensities on the right and left eye (not found in other light and sound devices). The original brightness is not equal ( and not only Innerpulse, as I read in the forum ) and requires manual fine-tuning, so to speak ( Though ideally you do not succeed... )

A slow start up and shutdown, the session begins with a gradual increase of sound volume and light intensity and ends with a gradual fading of both. This gives you the opportunity to avoid a kind of shock as when turning on and turning off session. At MindSpa getting rough again, according to forum ( demAs and hedgehog with him ), in General can according to their assurances to experience a small shock of the sudden end of the session.
Among the shortcomings:
Power supply to use did not work, alas, which already wrote ( see problems of my mains )
Oh, and be careful with people when communicating, despite the fact that I am by nature a very shy person and used to say to swallow everything after the alpha course sessions, erupted out of nowhere, as I said, the rudeness on my part that a couple of times almost ended very badly, because I kept myself, as I have explained, not social. status . ( DemAs, and not only, by the way, noted the same )

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Sat May 10, 2008 19:18

The guest was Myrtle, re-installed the system, well...

Новичёк · Post by **Новичёк** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 0:57

Andrei Patrushev
Good evening.
THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS TO HELP THIS ONE.

1.Tell me, please, which is better InnerPulse or Proteus.
2. In InnerPulse supplier writes:
New glasses are moving, the circuit provides separate control over the intensity of these two sides, allowing breath walked, the excitation sine wave and the different left/right levels. Independent control of the left and right of the light used for the intensity in hemispheric specialization and the control points of the color (a single color can be controlled separately from the other). The choice of monitoring the sine wave of the lights (a pleasant gradual slide, or reducing the lights, very soothing to the eyes), square wave or control over PhaseErase (lights flashing in different intervals, continuously changing the timing of the pulse).
What are these points? Standard, Premium, pvStim, ColorTrack
What points are best??
3.The Proteus is control lights in real time with the use of biofeedback ThoughtStream.
What it is and how important it is??? Does InnerPulse?
4. Can I use MM to learn foreign languages???
Who has visited??? What session?? What is the result?? Please share with us.
5. Does MM on the head when using it or not???

Thank you in advance.
Thank you!

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:48

Новичёк wrote:Andrei Patrushev
Good evening.
THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS TO HELP THIS ONE.

1.Tell me, please, which is better InnerPulse or Proteus.
2. In InnerPulse supplier writes:
New glasses are moving, the circuit provides separate control over the intensity of these two sides, allowing breath walked, the excitation sine wave and the different left/right levels. Independent control of the left and right of the light used for the intensity in hemispheric specialization and the control points of the color (a single color can be controlled separately from the other). The choice of monitoring the sine wave of the lights (a pleasant gradual slide, or reducing the lights, very soothing to the eyes), square wave or control over PhaseErase (lights flashing in different intervals, continuously changing the timing of the pulse).
What are these points? Standard, Premium, pvStim, ColorTrack
What points are best??
3.The Proteus is control lights in real time with the use of biofeedback ThoughtStream.
What it is and how important it is??? Does InnerPulse?
4. Can I use MM to learn foreign languages???
Who has visited??? What session?? What is the result?? Please share with us.
5. Does MM on the head when using it or not???

Thank you in advance.
Thank you!

Hello.
1. About the same.

2. Read the description on the site of the present Russian language.

"What type of glasses are better?" - for what?
3. ThoughtStream need to buy an additional - not much less worth than Proteus.
4. Can. The forum is a topic.
5. This is the reason.

Contact

Новичёк · Post by **Новичёк** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 16:28

Andrei Patrushev
Good afternoon.

Thanks for the replies, but it is possible more in detail!!

1. It is clear that InnerPulse and Proteus is intended to be the same. I was more interested in the reliability of the MM and its functionality TK. better to buy tried and tested products,
which works without problems, there is a normal software, no glitches, etc.
I wanted to know Your opinion, as an expert that it is better to choose?

4. Sorry, haven't found the topic and feedback on the learning of foreign languages with the help of MM. Tell me where.

5. I wanted to know the negative impact of MM, if available.
A lot of positive feedback and it pleases, but no one writes about side effects?
What problems might face the user MM.

6. The participants of the forum wrote that after a course of alpha-beta sessions become nervous and irritable. Was calm, and began to break on close. It occurs in all the early use of MM or individually?? How can I avoid this?? How fast is it??

Thank you in advance.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 14:59

Новичёк wrote:Andrei Patrushev
Good afternoon.
Thanks for the replies, but it is possible more in detail!!

1. It is clear that InnerPulse and Proteus is intended to be the same. I was more interested in the reliability of the MM and its functionality TK. better to buy tried and tested products,
which works without problems, there is a normal software, no glitches, etc.
I wanted to know Your opinion, as an expert that it is better to choose?

4. Sorry, haven't found the topic and feedback on the learning of foreign languages with the help of MM. Tell me where.

5. I wanted to know the negative impact of MM, if available.
A lot of positive feedback and it pleases, but no one writes about side effects?
What problems might face the user MM.

6. The participants of the forum wrote that after a course of alpha-beta sessions become nervous and irritable. Was calm, and began to break on close. It occurs in all the early use of MM or individually?? How can I avoid this?? How fast is it??

Thank you in advance.

1. About the same.

4. http://www.mindmachine.ru/viewtopic.php ... 1%EA%E8%E9
http://www.mindmachine.ru/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=0
5. php?t=878&highlight=%EF%EE%E1%EE%F7%ED%FB%E5+%FD%F4%F4%E5%EA%F2%FB">http://www.mindmachine.ru/viewtopic.php ... 5%EA%F2%FB
6. Everyone is different... From my own experience - from 1996 to 2006, almost every day several people - none of them had such problems...<

Новичёк · Post by **Новичёк** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:03

Andrei Patrushev

Good afternoon.
Thanks for the replies

Prompt please, programs written for InnerPulse, you can ispolzovat in Proteusе ?????? In detail if possible.

Thank you in advance.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:54

Новичёк wrote:Andrei Patrushev

Good afternoon.
Thanks for the replies
Prompt please, programs written for InnerPulse, you can ispolzovat in Proteusе ?????? In detail if possible.

Thank you in advance.

Hello.
No, you can't (much much more...

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