Here is where those who have committed accidental murder. For example, the driver knocked down a pedestrian. A careless Builder dropped a brick on the head of a passer-by. The hostess incorrectly prepared dish and accidentally poisoned guests, etc.
The degree of guilt of the victim is irrelevant. Pedestrian trapped under car, may be drunk, besides, he can jump under the wheels. The driver still to blame. Why?
To whom and when to get out of this life is decided by the angels. If the person died under the wheels of the car - so he deserved it. If the person died under the wheels of your car - so you deserved it you personally. And again, by the will of the angels.
Previously it was written that accidental deaths do not happen. Anything casual does not happen. So if injuring people and your innocence proved, the court - still you are responsible, and it is an occasion to reflect on his life. Something in it goes wrong, and the angels gave you this sign.
Random killing even an innocent man leaves an unpleasant aftertaste in my soul for life. To be remembered!
Also on the fourth level are the thieves and liars. Not everyone, of course, and the worst.
Yes, from the point of view of the angels, lies the same crime as theft. Thieves steal man's property, liars, thief's soul.
Remember, sometimes the idea that you cheated, much stronger and more painful hurts the soul than the loss of money. Especially frustrating when you lied to the closest person you trusted.
All varieties of lies and theft to consider, it makes no sense, because their great variety. One has only to mention the difference between the earthly criminal court and the heavenly angels.
In the criminal court term and the severity of punishment is directly dependent on the amount of the caused material damage. The heavenly Supreme Court also drew attention to what emotional damage was done to the victim. For example, you can fool some grandma, not inflicting any material damage. Simply put, to take and to offend people. And this act, from the point of view of the angels, will be much worse than, say, if you stole from some rich guy a couple million dollars. Why?
Just on one side put the experiences of grandmother, and the other - the feelings of the rich. And compared - what is stronger. Very often a word of a lie put out more than the loss of money.
The fourth level of Hell is very different from the first three. The first three floors of Hell the souls of the stupid serve their sentences. And on the fourth floor of the shower gets a chance at redemption. Sometimes some of the most worthy, the angels can give simple work. And if a person coped with it successfully, then as a reward he can afford to choose their new life on Earth.<
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and this level of fall for the following sins: adultery, bitter drunkenness, godlessness. And those women who performed many abortions willingly. On this level the soul holds 100-150 years.
Consider all of these sins in more detail.
Bitter drunkenness
This is the case when an alcoholic, Spivey, causes much suffering to the people around him - tormented family, rowdy, etc.
What is adultery?
It is believed that adultery is adultery. But this is a misconception. In fact, things are different.
From the angels ' point of view, adultery is the closeness between people who are not experiencing loving feelings toward each other.
Simply put, it's sex with someone who you don't like. After the sexual act with such partners feel a sudden spiritual emptiness, irritability. The man had just had sex a burden, I want him to leave.
Adultery is committed for two reasons - calculation and lust.
What is the calculation is clear. It's sex for money, prostitution, the desire through the bed to make a career, to improve their financial situation. This includes a marriage of convenience. Yes, adultery can do, being in a legal marriage. If the wife hates her husband, but sleeps with him only because he is rich, is a great sin.
What is lust?
If after sex you have nothing to talk about with a partner, if it is not causing your interest as a person, as a person - so it was lust.
Lust is a purely carnal attraction without any emotional intimacy. On the fifth level of Hell is where those who did adultery to their profession, i.e. prostitutes.
Those who committed adultery in moderation, not so much, those expecting the seventh level of Hell.
Consider all of these sins in more detail.
Bitter drunkenness
This is the case when an alcoholic, Spivey, causes much suffering to the people around him - tormented family, rowdy, etc.
What is adultery?
It is believed that adultery is adultery. But this is a misconception. In fact, things are different.
From the angels ' point of view, adultery is the closeness between people who are not experiencing loving feelings toward each other.
Simply put, it's sex with someone who you don't like. After the sexual act with such partners feel a sudden spiritual emptiness, irritability. The man had just had sex a burden, I want him to leave.
Adultery is committed for two reasons - calculation and lust.
What is the calculation is clear. It's sex for money, prostitution, the desire through the bed to make a career, to improve their financial situation. This includes a marriage of convenience. Yes, adultery can do, being in a legal marriage. If the wife hates her husband, but sleeps with him only because he is rich, is a great sin.
What is lust?
If after sex you have nothing to talk about with a partner, if it is not causing your interest as a person, as a person - so it was lust.
Lust is a purely carnal attraction without any emotional intimacy. On the fifth level of Hell is where those who did adultery to their profession, i.e. prostitutes.
Those who committed adultery in moderation, not so much, those expecting the seventh level of Hell.
Personally for me ideas N.D.Walsh is more like it 
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Dear me, a soul mate GOING FORWARD! (I'm following with interest your statements ) You probably can see just how preposterous and contradictory these "messages from the guardian angels", aiming to manage people in a primitive intimidation.
If You'd care to delve into the concepts presented in the books of Walsh, You will be free from many misconceptions and fears. I tried, but did not find any contradiction to common sense and his attitude.
Here you can download http://www.koob.ru/walsch/
This is from Book 2 Conversations with God
God: "Hitler went to heaven"
Walsh: "How a man like Hitler could go to heaven? Every religion in the world ... I would say that each, declared him accursed and sent straight to hell."
B: Hitler went to heaven here is why: there is no Hell, so there was no other place he could go.
His actions were what you would call mistakes, actions undeveloped beings, and mistakes are not punishable by condemnation; they provide an opportunity for correction and development. Errors committed by Hitler, did not hurt those whose death they caused. These souls are freed from earthly shackles, like butterflies leaving their cocoons.
Survivors mourned their death just because they did not know what joy to enter these souls. No one who has experienced death ever mourns the death of the other.
Your statement that their deaths were untimely, and therefore was "wrong", suggests that the universe could have happened something, which is not supposed to happen. However, in light of Who and What I am, it's impossible.
Everything that happens in the universe totally and completely. God doesn't make mistakes.
When you see absolute perfection in everything - not only what you agree, but (and perhaps especially) in that with which you disagree - you achieve mastery.
It all starts with you. All. All. All.
You want to change the world? Change your own world.
Hitler gave you a Golden opportunity to implement it. In this sense, the experience of Hitler, as well as the experience of Christ is very deep, it reveals to you the truth about you.
Hitler was not sent to you. Hitler was created by you. It arose out of your Collective Consciousness and could not exist without it. This is the lesson.
The consciousness of separation, exclusion, superiority, "us" against "them", "us" and "them" - that's what creates the Hitler Experience.
The consciousness of Divine Brotherhood, of Unity, of a Whole, "our" instead of "your" or "my" - that's what creates the Experience of Christ.
When the pain is "our" and not just "your" when the joy - "our" and not just "my", when the sense of a full life is Ours, then it is a true feeling of Life.
Each event is the work of God. It was My Will, My Will is that all of you have a Free Choice.
But if you're free to do what you want to do, if you know that you can make to silently suffer for what you don't do what I want? What kind of choice is that?
Y: It's not a question of punishment. It Is A Law Of Nature. It is only a matter of the consequences. Karma.
B: I see that you are well taught all these theological structures to let you keep Me for a vengeful God, without making Me responsible for it.
But who invented these Laws of Nature? And if we can agree that I should install them then why should I installed such laws, why? May be in order, and then to give you the strength to overcome them?
If you believe that God is a selfish God who requires attention, adoration, recognition, and craves influence, and kill you for this, then your theology begin to merge.
If you believe that God has no ego or that He doesn't need anything, if you believe that He is the source of everything, the basis of all wisdom and love, then your theology will crumble to ruins.
If you believe that God is a vengeful God, jealous in His love and fierce in His anger, then your theology is perfect.
If you believe that God is a loving Goddess, joyful in His love and patient in Your love, then your theology is useless.
And I'm telling you: the purpose of life is not to please God. The purpose of life is to know and recreate Who You Are.
About suicide in detail in the book "Home with God. Last conversation with God"<
If You'd care to delve into the concepts presented in the books of Walsh, You will be free from many misconceptions and fears. I tried, but did not find any contradiction to common sense and his attitude.
Here you can download http://www.koob.ru/walsch/
This is from Book 2 Conversations with God
God: "Hitler went to heaven"
Walsh: "How a man like Hitler could go to heaven? Every religion in the world ... I would say that each, declared him accursed and sent straight to hell."
B: Hitler went to heaven here is why: there is no Hell, so there was no other place he could go.
His actions were what you would call mistakes, actions undeveloped beings, and mistakes are not punishable by condemnation; they provide an opportunity for correction and development. Errors committed by Hitler, did not hurt those whose death they caused. These souls are freed from earthly shackles, like butterflies leaving their cocoons.
Survivors mourned their death just because they did not know what joy to enter these souls. No one who has experienced death ever mourns the death of the other.
Your statement that their deaths were untimely, and therefore was "wrong", suggests that the universe could have happened something, which is not supposed to happen. However, in light of Who and What I am, it's impossible.
Everything that happens in the universe totally and completely. God doesn't make mistakes.
When you see absolute perfection in everything - not only what you agree, but (and perhaps especially) in that with which you disagree - you achieve mastery.
It all starts with you. All. All. All.
You want to change the world? Change your own world.
Hitler gave you a Golden opportunity to implement it. In this sense, the experience of Hitler, as well as the experience of Christ is very deep, it reveals to you the truth about you.
Hitler was not sent to you. Hitler was created by you. It arose out of your Collective Consciousness and could not exist without it. This is the lesson.
The consciousness of separation, exclusion, superiority, "us" against "them", "us" and "them" - that's what creates the Hitler Experience.
The consciousness of Divine Brotherhood, of Unity, of a Whole, "our" instead of "your" or "my" - that's what creates the Experience of Christ.
When the pain is "our" and not just "your" when the joy - "our" and not just "my", when the sense of a full life is Ours, then it is a true feeling of Life.
Each event is the work of God. It was My Will, My Will is that all of you have a Free Choice.
But if you're free to do what you want to do, if you know that you can make to silently suffer for what you don't do what I want? What kind of choice is that?
Y: It's not a question of punishment. It Is A Law Of Nature. It is only a matter of the consequences. Karma.
B: I see that you are well taught all these theological structures to let you keep Me for a vengeful God, without making Me responsible for it.
But who invented these Laws of Nature? And if we can agree that I should install them then why should I installed such laws, why? May be in order, and then to give you the strength to overcome them?
If you believe that God is a selfish God who requires attention, adoration, recognition, and craves influence, and kill you for this, then your theology begin to merge.
If you believe that God has no ego or that He doesn't need anything, if you believe that He is the source of everything, the basis of all wisdom and love, then your theology will crumble to ruins.
If you believe that God is a vengeful God, jealous in His love and fierce in His anger, then your theology is perfect.
If you believe that God is a loving Goddess, joyful in His love and patient in Your love, then your theology is useless.
And I'm telling you: the purpose of life is not to please God. The purpose of life is to know and recreate Who You Are.
About suicide in detail in the book "Home with God. Last conversation with God"<
Well, just prospect!!!Хозяин wrote:in my opinion,it is better to learn to pray and believe in the one who changes the water in the Aquarium.and MM will help to maintain the brain in an appropriate state.to learn to meditate.the scheme is painted more than once.all in all about 12 weeks.some,however,this is not enough,and some will aggravate the condition
I somehow doubt that the samurai after admiring the nature, socenv verse... and with the discarding of the right hand to the side and backwards goodbye with the body will go immediately to hell... So back to the base of the base - in the faith will be rewarded.
It seems to be discussed the topic of moral and mental training by the Beginning, and came to religion, and she - something very personal, and refers to her need as well as to genitalia ( not vystovlyat postoronnim people, and not shoved down your throat children).
It seems to be discussed the topic of moral and mental training by the Beginning, and came to religion, and she - something very personal, and refers to her need as well as to genitalia ( not vystovlyat postoronnim people, and not shoved down your throat children).
Than guilty of Blavatsky and Roerich?Соловей wrote:Anatoly
Why? What is the purpose? Learn to meditate in order to meditate is not a goal but just words, at least for Your subconscious. But to improve health, to return bright and cheerful children's perception to the pleasure of bringing up grandchildren (and a good case, great-grandchildren) - that's the real goal.
If 500 dollars is your pocket money, not a means to an end - buy, but only the machine itself, without purpose and regular classes won't teach. If the cash supply is rather critical, is clearly not worth it - you'll be fine and a simple candle.
Sometimes people suffer years trying to learn to meditate, to walk in all sorts of mugs, read pseudoculture literature( for me Blavatskaya and Roerich wrote the most harmful books - meditate, literally - to think, and if you do severely - brain-fornicate You will learn - but will you want to?...) can't meditate, and some grandpa in the village, work hard on 12/7, at the end of a hard day, sitting on a bench and watching the sunset "meditates" so deeply that envy takes, and he is aware of not giving - it's so natural.
More specifically, tell me what You want, we'll tell.
Nonsense!Where to put those girls and guys who died because of unrequited love?Not for nothing is said about them:"They fly in the heavens on the wings of love!" So in love will enter immediately to God in thy bosom.Where to put the priests who refuse to bury suicides,and then it turns out they were helped to die?A lot of these cases!I know only one law:Priests are intermediaries between God and people.They should teach people how to live,not to judge them!It is the prerogative only of the Creator more than anyone!Идущая вперед wrote:
post here info about the 7 levels of hell - messages from guardian angels
The hardest and most painful level of Hell is a lower, first floor. It contains the biggest violators of God's laws - suicide.
All religions of the world to suicide are extremely negative. For example, the Orthodox Church does not permit the burial service over them. Suicide is forbidden to be buried in the Christian cemetery, they can be buried only in the cemetery fence.
Punished souls are languishing at the first level of Hell up to 1000 years. No hot pans, boiling kettles in Hell not - it's all fiction.
It is actually much worse. The souls of sinners experience pain comparable to severe dental pain, labor pains, multiplied a thousandfold. Such torture lasted for a thousand years. Only after this tormented soul once again sent to Earth, she is again given the chance to live a new life
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I feel closer to this concept.
Neale Donald Walsch "Home with God: the Last conversation with God. Life never ends"
Walsh: So You're saying that suicide is not subject to any punishment?
God: the world, which you call the afterlife, there is no such thing as "punishment". Were punished only those who still live. They experience a severe shock, and not everyone is able to fully recover from it. All these people are experiencing enormous grief. Some of the rest of his days blaming himself for what happened. They try to understand what I did wrong, and kick yourself thinking how you could have prevented the incident.
The sad part is that those who take their own life think they will be able to change something. But it is not. When a person settles scores with life, to from something to escape, he creates not the situation that would allow him to do it. If you're going to kill themselves to something to avoid, know that you have conceived possible. The desire to avoid pain is normal. This is part of the human dance. But we are discussing the case of a man trying to evade the experience that soul chose to survive, not to escape from him.
Walsh: Sorry to return to this theme now, when we talk about suicide, but You said death is beautiful. Why would the man whose life unbearable, do not wish for death, if she so beautiful?
God: what you call death is really great, but not better than LIFE. Actually, death is life - just in a different form. I want you to understand this question. On the other side of death you will find yourself the same as you out of here. And then there will be a funny thing. You make yourself another physical life in which you have to work out all that flawed in the previous one.
Walsh: So, I'm back to physical life? I can't "work out their problems", while in the nonphysical, spiritual realm?
God: I can't. The meaning of physical life is to give you a context where you can relive the experience that you have defined for yourself, being in the spiritual realm. So, by leaving physical life, you can't run from anything, since it is back in the physical world - that in that situation you tend to avoid... But now you have to go from the start. You don't see this as a "punishment" or "an emergency", or "burden", because it will be out in the world on their own, knowing that this is the process of self-creation, for which you exist.<
Neale Donald Walsch "Home with God: the Last conversation with God. Life never ends"
Walsh: So You're saying that suicide is not subject to any punishment?
God: the world, which you call the afterlife, there is no such thing as "punishment". Were punished only those who still live. They experience a severe shock, and not everyone is able to fully recover from it. All these people are experiencing enormous grief. Some of the rest of his days blaming himself for what happened. They try to understand what I did wrong, and kick yourself thinking how you could have prevented the incident.
The sad part is that those who take their own life think they will be able to change something. But it is not. When a person settles scores with life, to from something to escape, he creates not the situation that would allow him to do it. If you're going to kill themselves to something to avoid, know that you have conceived possible. The desire to avoid pain is normal. This is part of the human dance. But we are discussing the case of a man trying to evade the experience that soul chose to survive, not to escape from him.
Walsh: Sorry to return to this theme now, when we talk about suicide, but You said death is beautiful. Why would the man whose life unbearable, do not wish for death, if she so beautiful?
God: what you call death is really great, but not better than LIFE. Actually, death is life - just in a different form. I want you to understand this question. On the other side of death you will find yourself the same as you out of here. And then there will be a funny thing. You make yourself another physical life in which you have to work out all that flawed in the previous one.
Walsh: So, I'm back to physical life? I can't "work out their problems", while in the nonphysical, spiritual realm?
God: I can't. The meaning of physical life is to give you a context where you can relive the experience that you have defined for yourself, being in the spiritual realm. So, by leaving physical life, you can't run from anything, since it is back in the physical world - that in that situation you tend to avoid... But now you have to go from the start. You don't see this as a "punishment" or "an emergency", or "burden", because it will be out in the world on their own, knowing that this is the process of self-creation, for which you exist.<