Copying discs with high frequencies

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 15:55

As there is definitely to say? Listen to the third track "Stars of the wanderer" with bells. If bell sound is clean, pleasant to the ear, the quality is not affected if a bounce or "karyabaesh soul", so it is necessary to alter.

и-Ван · Post by **и-Ван** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 23:00

I have a iPod Photo 60 (holds 60 gigobayt data), which I bought to replace the deceased his death (from old age) of a CD player, without which since it is bypassed.
Want to buy disks of Andrey Patrushev and the mind machine.
Question: it does Not hurt the quality of the content purchased by CD if I convert the disk files from CDA to WAV and WAV to iPod flood buyout and I will include in a mind machine?

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:19

И-Ван wrote:I Have a iPod Photo 60 (holds 60 gigobayt data), which I bought to replace the deceased his death (from old age) of a CD player, without which since it is bypassed.
Want to buy disks of Andrey Patrushev and the mind machine.
Question: it does Not hurt the quality of the content purchased by CD if I convert the disk files from CDA to WAV and WAV to iPod flood buyout and I will include in a mind machine?

This topic in my opinion is exhaustively explained above or in another thread,let's see...as it turned out,the quality is lost (you try)...

и-Ван · Post by **и-Ван** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 13:30

Dimas looked at the word iPod, found only in this branch, and here above we are talking about using gatih formats (OGG, FLAC) and firmware in connection with them.

I have onboard iPod 60 gigobayt and for me the problem of compression and loss of quality in connection with the COMPRESSION does not exist.

My version: take for example, a disk Explorer, make CDA WAV (as far as I understand these two formats are essentially the same, only the extension is different), and then WAV to upload to the iPod and enable iPod for mind the machine is sidyuka, which I do not.

If my option does not preserve the signal quality, you have to buy a CD player that there is additional burden on the budget.

Here's the dilemma.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 13:35

I did not write specifically about iPod,other player,but with the same features..personally I quality lost (noticeable by ear)...Well...try with iPods..but You have nothing to compare...and so and so...I listened through many sound sources and came to certain conclusions...and so...

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 14:48

И-Ван wrote:I Have a iPod Photo 60 (holds 60 gigobayt data), which I bought to replace the deceased his death (from old age) of a CD player, without which since it is bypassed.
Want to buy disks of Andrey Patrushev and the mind machine.
Question: it does Not hurt the quality of the content purchased by CD if I convert the disk files from CDA to WAV and WAV to iPod flood buyout and I will include in a mind machine?

The translation of CDA to WAV possible errors. if You take a DVD, then there is a source, therefore no distortions should not be. And here is how Your player plays, I cannot say (I do not have).

и-Ван · Post by **и-Ван** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 15:36

Andrew, thanks for the reply. Buy DVD.
IPod subjectively better plays the CD player that I had. Although of great importance are the headphones, which again is a matter of taste: friends praised Handsfree 600, and to me they are not very good, I bought Sonya MDR-7509.

evgeniya_ · Post by **evgeniya_** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 22:02

All good health!!!
I have DVDs (Explorer, etc.), and as it turned out from the computer I can not listen to( CD "endorphins" is not working as it should, accordingly, think etc. drives too). So I decided to buy the player. And then I have some questions:
1. Probably DVDs CD player will not work?---therefore it is necessary to buy new drives, but the SD, or copy using NERO?
2. And can you please advise which player to buy, what would be the optimal ratio of price and quality.

Post by **Андрей Кабанков** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 23:10

You can copy the discs to CD discs at speed 4 in the audio CD format .Then listen to them on any CD player,no special requirements no.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 13:48

evgeniya_ wrote:All good health!!!
I have DVDs (Explorer, etc.), and as it turned out from the computer I can not listen to( CD "endorphins" is not working as it should, accordingly, think etc. drives too).

On the computer you can listen to any track from the DVD, if You have the drive reads DVD and have the audio player Winamp, Windows Media Player.
Unfortunately, most sound cards shirpotrebovsky much fill up the high frequencies and audiostrobe from the computer plays badly.

evgeniya_ · Post by **evgeniya_** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 17:28

Thank you.
And another question: what is the difference between audio CD and CD ISO?

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 14:09

evgeniya_ wrote:Thank you.
And another question: what is the difference between audio CD and CD ISO?

Audio CD recording format is slightly different from the one in ISO. There are the files (tracks) are somewhat smaller by reducing the degree of duplication of information.

evgeniya_ · Post by **evgeniya_** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 22:52

If I understand correctly ISO record better audio ???

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 19:08

evgeniya_ wrote:If I understand correctly ISO record better audio ???

Hmm... better for what?

evgeniya_ · Post by **evgeniya_** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 20:49

For the best audio frequencies and audiostrobe.

Максимус · Post by **Максимус** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 21:56

And EAC (Exact Audio Copy) does not save when you copy these discs?
Soon as I find where to copy............

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:00

evgeniya_ wrote:For the best audio frequencies and audiostrobe.

Duck, depending on what proigryvat...

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:03

Максимус wrote:And EAC (Exact Audio Copy) does not save when you copy these discs?
Soon as I find where to copy............

The EAC, in my opinion, a very good program, but it does not always give good results.
I really do not understand - what for to break spears?

11111010111 · Post by **11111010111** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 21:33

Take the 4 track disk ultramesh (new world integration, ultra brain, star flight)
applied compression FLAC'om

was:
837 312 584 B ~ 798 MB

was:
466 707 602 B ~ 445 MB

the compression ratio was: 1.794
I guess it's worth to say: NO LOSS.

Listening on a PDA loox 718, lineout so - so- 85-90 DB.
To convert I use CDex 1.7, it is free.
For playback on a PDA - Pocket Player 3.01, version 2.8 this program, the flac format will not play.

There are other formats to store information lossless: Aiff, Alac, WavPack, Shorten.
Diagnosis - not tried, don't know. I will be glad of information from You.

Met a statement that wma is able to compress lossless audio to wav 700 MB to 280 MB - not tested.
Who can find a program to convert to wma lossless - thanks in advance (he wasn't really looking for).

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:24

Great!!(on the technical side).Now try to listen to the original week (clearly noting all the nuances and changes in the psyche),and then copy written so...Compare the result (as in advertising:):))!Believe me...It's about-about-about-very different!:)

11111010111 · Post by **11111010111** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 19:06

The difference between a file in FLAC and WAV for the dynamics there. The speakers in the speaker system serves exactly the same signals. The only difference in the decoder, you can decode WAV and FLAC you can. FLAC decoding is more complicated.

As mentioned earlier:
If you bought CDs (with the labels on the tracks CD .cda), and perform reproduction of the disk, the deterioration of quality is possible due to the low redundancy of the CD format, i.e. correcting code does not allow the player drive to fix all errors recorder (and other reasons). To record audio disks, it is considered that should be written at a reduced speed (up to 16x better, we're talking about a CD), use better (although I personally have not noticed a difference compared to nero and some other programs) special programs such as Exact Audio Copy.

Errors when copying disks with such files as mp3 should not be (because they are written on "data disc"). However, fatal error in principle possible, but their probability is much less than cd-audio, and is caused by various factors, including the poor quality of the drive. So sometimes my drive can't read a data disc which he recorded.
So if you write mp3 or wav files on a data disc (not audio CD), you can write at a higher speed. Although due to various factors, including speed hard drive, low-quality discs and drive, I cd write at speeds no more than 24 (speed taken from the bulldozer), given that in principle could at 48x.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:50

I tried to copy the Explorer from the original,at a speed of 4x...Signal audiostrobe became less clear and bright!!!!!In the intervals appeared the hole..as In...I understand that if audiostrobe is recorded on high, the rest high also suffer when overwriting....??!!

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 13:02

Dimas wrote:I Tried to copy the Explorer from the original,at a speed of 4x...Signal audiostrobe became less clear and bright!!!!!In the intervals appeared the hole..as In...I understand that if audiostrobe is recorded on high, the rest high also suffer when overwriting....??!!

Well, 15000Гц more or less normally copied, and then to be responsible for anything impossible. So need to copy from the source DVD.

ирина · Post by **ирина** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:00

a chto na schet mp3? toesti voobche eto nerealino ?

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:33

Ирина wrote:a chto na schet mp3? toesti voobche eto nerealino ?

Yes, audiostrobe fully clipped.

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