Astrology - science or fairy tale?

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Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by Надежда Лещенко » Sun Aug 06, 2017 22:57

Today I want to talk about ASTROLOGY, Not about the one that is used in horoscopes, but about the one that has secrets.

Example:Zodiacal circle.
In the zodiac of the constellations 12-13 Why I said that? Yes, because the current astrology is completely removed 13th Zodiac sign - Ophiuchus. Its size is twice less than other signs first, only 15 degrees instead of 30, and he is oddly divided between the two neighbouring signs - Scorpio and Sagittarius. But more curious -

Ophiuchus history: help
In Latin, this constellation called Serpentarius, or Apheuhus, in translation, it really means Ophiuchus, "he who has the serpent." This "man carrying the serpent", "the man with the serpent" is a literal semantic translation. The constellation is known for a long time. It is constellation, which incorporates the full range, all the wheel of karma Land on which they close and open the rings of rock. So it consists of two parts: gold and silver snake, or white and black snake. One of them, with a black head, tied to the last 7-th degree of Scorpio, the other is the first 7 degrees of Sagittarius Here, the key meaning of the same part of the zodiac called the Via combusta, that is burned way, and the mystery of Phaeton here, it is us — the mystery of TrueTone crawling into battle with azhi-dahaka with a three — headed serpent. We have Ophiuchus holds the snake, not two, but three. Ophiuchus holds the snake, not two, but three And maybe, on the contrary, the third head is the azhi-dahaka, the. Our three snake heads, and the person who wins these snakes. The triple helix — triple ring, which needs to be overcome, to defeat, to break, to completely overcome all the action, all seal the fate of all seal rock, which is not you set.

Otherwise, Ophiuchus is the zero point , the beginning of the cosmic cycle of the Solar system. The vernal equinox point. It follows that the zodiac is the orbit of the Sun in a certain system. And the cosmic cycle of the Sun is equal to 24 to 26 thousand years. Ie, the Sun runs around of something with such a period. It is easy to calculate that the radius of this orbit is approximately 7000 years. It remains nonsense to calculate the location of stars at this distance or a small Black -White hole, or some object, which is the center of OUR little GALAXY, so to speak.

Now, take the place of a lot of things. First - the planet Nibiru. It can be either on the inner ring of the system or to the outside relative to the Sun. And could be a larger star than the Sun. Otherwise for us its influence will be negligible. When orbiting our Systems closer together - quite possible Cosmic accident, like the flood. So here are the myths and legends do not lie. And the disappearance of Atlantis well within the timeframe of 12-15 thousand years ago we had a meeting like that.

Itself this system is already in orbit around the ring of the Galaxy. And I have to say that the centre of a large Galaxy at a distance will probably not be the same as accepted today. It will vary on the size of the diameter of the orbit of the Sun in this system -

Further to our mythology Ophiuchus is holding THREE snakes............ If you take that and Kolovrat contains three axes of rotation - is not accidental. Triple helix - this, incidentally, is a model of the Universe. Yes, you are right - here I am getting insights from your Single Universal law of Gravity/Fields. all fits. And physics, and esoteric tales designed to hide these details.
By the way, the esoteric symbol of two fish, it seems to me, symbolizes this sign. or stolen from here and connected to the needs of other concepts. As the cross is in the Kolowrat is present as a cross, and triple spin.

Yes, and our heroes fought almost always with the three-headed Serpent-dragon. See how the intertwined tales, myths, history, physics Only one sign.. But if you dig deeper?<

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by ИНОСТРАНКА » Tue Aug 08, 2017 15:49

Good afternoon . Dear Hope you are confusing concepts . The Zodiac sign and Constellation. Zodiac signs has always been and remains 12. And Ophiuchus refers to the constellations ,and the constellation it's part of the Ecliptic. and they are two different things.
and the vernal equinox happens in spring ,not fall. It is March 21 when day and night are equal.
22 July is the summer Sun standing, and September 23-the autumn equinox.The winter Solstice on December 22. When the Sun enters the sign of Capricorn.
Next ."The arc extends from 15 degrees of Libra to 15 degrees Scorpio is known as the "Via combusta". Related to this symptom of nomadically in horary astrology the most controversial and many astrologers simply ignore it."
This is horary astrology. One of the classical branches of astrology.
But if " And if you dig deeper?". it's best to go to a good school or Academy of astrology.( And this is from 2-5 years and then almost all life)
And generally questions on astrology, it makes sense to ask on astrological forums.

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by ИНОСТРАНКА » Thu Aug 10, 2017 15:02

Good day to all .
Perhaps this film will be of interest to someone . It tells about the great Russian column astrologer Sergey Vronsky. He worked in Hitler's astrologer, and then he worked with Sergey Korolev and our astronauts.
youtu.be/oWsBEtRCiHQ . Just not inserted . Please hammer this link on YouTube.
And about the astrology of the tale or not? Of course the story, if you read it in yellow Newspapers. :roll:

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by Надежда Лещенко » Sat Aug 12, 2017 20:40

a FOREIGNER
Good day to you! About Astrology - signs and constellations of the Zodiac was originally 13. Ophiuchus simply removed La the ease of calculations. The beginning of the astronomical year of the Earth indeed, on March 21.
I'm not going to study Astrology. But what of the zodiacal circle is the orbit of the Sun in a system, and that the beginning of the Astronomical year the Sun exactly where the middle of Ophiuchus is definitely. And that the radius of the orbit of the Solar system about 7-8 thousand years - is also unique. Just sit down, calculate, and compare what can the stars be at this distance. Or pulsars, or black hole. This is worth our astrologers study horoscopes and not to be and all that nonsense

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by маринамих » Fri Mar 02, 2018 23:17

Love astrology and everything associated with it. Yes, and in General trying to be unusual. Even just recently went for divination on the Tarot cards to Neonella. Not even the thought that her prediction of the future so will definitely be true. Very satisfied. So I will continue to search and study something like that. I will leave a link on her site that it might also be useful https://gadanie-neonella.com/.

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Post by ММ » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:00

And even the Indian priests - Pandits working with astrology when doing a ritual Yajna. Type experts on the Vedas.

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by Константин_ » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:19

Надежда Лещенко wrote:a FOREIGNER
Good day to you! About Astrology - signs and constellations of the Zodiac was originally 13. Ophiuchus simply removed La the ease of calculations.
Zodiac signs and constellations are in the sky when the Sun its path on the Ecliptic(also called zodiac) on the sky during the year - different concepts

Zodiac signs can only be 12 because that is the number of observed full cycles of the moon during one solar cycle

The names of these characters symbolically probation and has nothing to do with the actual constellations at one time or another finding the Sun in the sky

The signs of the Zodiac are the 12 equal parts of the Ecliptic from the vernal equinox

In reality, all the constellations are of different length and are not there :)

Ophiuchus never removed because he is not here at all and just not included in the symbolism of the Zodiac :oops:

All with the coming astrological (and astronomical, too) New Year ! :D

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Post by ИНОСТРАНКА » Wed Mar 21, 2018 18:00

Yes, yesterday was the day of the ASTROLOGER!!! Everyone who loves and is studying astrology :D :D :o :o :ay :ay

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by Богдар » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:31

Why astrology has always been associated with something fantastic and reading reflections in the subject calmed down and even began to wonder what will happen next... But in life there are certain matches and the Trident of Neptune, and do a three-headed Serpent dragon!

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Надежда Лещенко wrote:I'm not going to study Astrology.
Надежда Лещенко wrote:this is worth our astrologers study and not horoscopes be
Extremely inconsistent thoughts! Something like "did not read, but condemn" you get))) I, at the time, also had very strong opinions on this topic, but thank the stars had the first considerations to explore before making final conclusions. Astrology was in the same degree with science in which science is archeology or history - is everywhere facts and their interpretation, and it's not the same...

Looking at the Natal chart we can see, for example, Jupiter forms a square to Mars, and this is a fact, but its interpretation can be quite arbitrary, it all depends on the experience of the astrologer, from his knowledge in astrology and General knowledge/education in General. The same map two different astrologer decipher, but with a very high percentage of matches. Another important point is that we must convey to the client the required information so that of it was good. If the client is, to put it mildly, but primitive notions in the head nothing is the problem if the astrologer is not well suspended language is another problem.

Third, in my opinion the "rough" the problem of astrology - the lack of most astrologers coherent concept of human existence in this world. You must have a clear, albeit not quite the right idea about who we are, where we are, how got here, who and why it was needed. If only a hypothesis, but you need to have. Without a starting point, stable without this it is impossible to build a normal line of interpretation. It is a question of methodology.

As for the "fabulousness" of astrology, so everything is simple))) Who study and practice - dealing with the reality of who tops picked up - that live in a fairy tale.
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Post by ЕвгенийР » Fri Oct 05, 2018 21:26

Warlock, now Astrology it is the tale. To start with the assumption that the Natal chart is determined by the moment of birth. In fact - not defined, there is always a time offset. Therefore, Astrology is coming up in the amusement of the audience, ready zanedorogo fun. While Astrology as the impact on humans of Cosmic energies are objective and amenable to hardware verification and research. But nobody does it, it's easier to use instant noodles.

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Post by чернокнижник » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:16

ЕвгенийР wrote:now Astrology it is the tale
There have always been people owning the subject sufficiently, and was all the rest, whose share fell only discussion of the subject of the fact that they do not suspect. In this sense, You are right.
ЕвгенийР wrote:Start with the assumption that the Natal chart is determined by the moment of birth
It is not quite clear what it is about You... Nativ, literally "born", and the Natal chart is a map of heaven at the time of birth. No assumptions, everything is clear. If You meant something else, please specify.
ЕвгенийР wrote:actually - not defined, there is always a time offset
Question: are You in any relationship with astrology? That is what determines, and what the offset meant? In controversial cases, when time of birth makes it impossible to build acceptable accuracy of prediction, the so-called rectifying, that is, the clarification of the moment. Thus, by and large, it does not matter what is considered the true moment of birth - first breath, first cry or the moment when cosmogramma. The case is thin, and there are several methods, both ancient and modern.
ЕвгенийР wrote:Astrology invent for the amusement of the audience
There is, even among "reputable" astrologers. But this fact does not negate the existence of quite adequate people))) I Suggest not to confuse astrology as a science of "astrology for all".
ЕвгенийР wrote:Astrology as the impact on humans of Cosmic energies
Among the astrologers periodically there are conversations on this topic, but astrology works without hardware verification. Once the mechanism of interactions will become clear to us, it will be a feast! However, little will change, except that the astrologers will have the opportunity to clarify their data.

This conversation would be more focused if You devote a little time studying the topic. I started with raids on shops in search of explanatory literature and believed horoscopes manually, computers had not yet went to the people))) I Know, how sad to realize the mistakes after a whole night of calculations and buckets of coffee? :( It is now much easier forums enough reference data are instantly and make the map even on the phone - bliss!<

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Post by ЕвгенийР » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:33

Warlock, I use Astrology purely practical and I always work within the models, which I checked experimentally. But it's not that with varying degrees of success trying to convince the public. Now official astrology is a development of several centers that emerged on the territory of post-USSR over the past 30 or more years. Each centre is blowing in your version of the model for marketing reasons, mainly conducting mass training in order to suggestion their version of the tale.
Perhaps only the peoples can be considered the author of the scientific approach to the study of the subject. But he was attracted to statistical modeling resources office, the forecast which was in fact compromised.
The predictive capabilities of the most famous leaders of the existing schools and Academies match the performance of the above organization. The results are usually zero, if you subtract commercial or other component.
As for binding the Natal chart at birth - this binding has a blur to a maximum of approximately day in both directions. This is verified experimentally by results of application of developed models to real people. They know the time of birth are almost never the same, which leads to the results. Then, even the perfect binding of a Natal chart has no practical predictive accuracy. In the populist sense. The Natal chart is associated with a person within certain limits, but it does not determine the further life events. It affects the very structure of man, but not his decisions. Decisions are determined more by culture and environment, but not in Natal chart.
Any other claim is an attempt to inspire their own hypothetical version of Astrology, having almost zero connection with reality. Practically, this is proved by the fact that some of the well-known Academy of Astrology are not for training no approved list of internationally recognized literature on Astrology, and invent their own versions using their own written manuals.
The past studied Astrology perhaps Vronsky. But did he Astrology for predictions is unknown, because in his speeches he talked about contacts with psychics who could see the future directly, not by using computational crutches in the form of Astrology. Perhaps Vronsky was himself the psychic, and he used Astrology as an explanatory cover otherwise obtained information. He was a master of camouflage, otherwise when his profession for any of the options would not exist.
All the rest of your views about books, their study with the extraction of them is something working is more a matter of faith. This is now mainly a do - trying to convince the public model, in which the authors are directing traffic and the Guru. But the most superficial inspection of the authors POPs up immediately obvious practical incompetence, repeatedly checked almost simple comparison of their predictions with subsequent events.<

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Post by чернокнижник » Sat Oct 06, 2018 17:52

I also use Astrology almost purely)) In the framework of my query - it works well enough. The problems start if I want to "with a screwdriver to hammer a nail" - every tool has its own scope. Astrology is given to us in the form of concepts and multiple modalities, neither of which completion while nobody speaks. As in any science, astrology is a constant search of the most accurate methods and definitions, and if You want more - more should be carried out! Alone or in the company of like-minded people, building on previous achievements, or denying them does not matter.
ЕвгенийР wrote:Natal chart is associated with a person within certain limits, but it does not determine the further life events.
Well, Yes, the stars incline but do not oblige. This is the FIRST thing that you need to know and constantly remember any astrologer. Astrology deals mainly with real objects, and they are very capricious)))
ЕвгенийР wrote:you do not have to teach any General approved list of internationally recognized literature
To the level of worldwide recognition astrology will rise very soon. However, this does not prevent us to independently analyze a situation, make assumptions and, whenever possible, to use the results. Experience again all to review, to amend its judgment. And so on.
ЕвгенийР wrote:your views about books, their study with the extraction of them is something working is more a matter of faith
Well, why faith? If something is found it works, it goes from the category of faith in the category of knowledge, as confirmed by the practice.
ЕвгенийР wrote:This is now mainly a do - trying to convince the public a certain model
Do not generalize. I, for example, did not suggest anything - I am lazy)))

PS. By the way, my card I was forced to recalculate adjusted almost 12 hours and you know what? A lot in the past coincided, but not all, only the key points. Further predictions have been problematic, only the current situation, within two or three weeks. And so almost at all, even the deep digging and taking into account the "correction for the wind."
PS.PS. Trying to convince the public - not our business. This issue is the relationship between inspiring and heed. You have enough independent thinking to not look at those who are still in the way. Who should be - he will take from this thread is enough and he will figure everything out, because without personal efforts in this direction and not a step to step)))<

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Post by ЕвгенийР » Sat Oct 06, 2018 18:24

warlockin Astrology, despite the fact that the effect of Space and is measured objectively, a very strong degree of auto-suggestion operator("astrologer").
Astrology is historically based on the principle of the Analogy of Hermes Trismegistus. It is argued that the events associated with the person, similar to events associated with the Planets, the Constellations in the form of Signs and Stars, if not to take into account other secondary factors.
And here there is a very strong uncertainty. According to the existing algorithm of calculations of the effect on human astrological factors it can be stated that the timeline is constantly filled almost continuous stream of astrological events.
And immature minds of pseudo-experts from Astrology on this basis, saying you see a connection the slightest movements of the client, the flow of his unborn thoughts and waves has sunk into the streams of Time karmic returns with the cards in on their computer astrological program. There, he always pop up like a Jack-in-the-box out of the box of the desired aspect or planet that explains the clientele strange things with a truly scientific, Astrological of the bumps.
Then you can have nothing to write, because Steaua besides the standard algorithm, no one now, nothing applies. But that's safe to carry customers with such nonsense is necessary for you to believe in it, otherwise it is inconclusive. Therefore, in the Academies of the people and incubates the years in groups - to convince each other that all the studied melodrama really is the place to be. Otherwise, for what then paid for the training?
So if we compare the timeline of man and the astrological, in this primitive interpretation of the principle of similarity of Hermes not valid. And the whole Foundation of the current version of the parody of Astrology immediately crumbles. Nothing works and work in this approach will never.
Astrology works on the principle of Parallels, and on the principle of modulating the internal matrix of the person. This modulation can be positive or negative, helping or constraining some aspect of the individual, if available. Despite the fact that the principle of free will, even in the presence of promoborudovanie matrix of the individual scenarios can be an indefinite amount.
And here everyone is trying to fool some funny attempts at astrological.<

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Post by чернокнижник » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:12

Eugenio - I understand your position, moreover, agree with her on almost all of 146% :o I'll even illustrate the situation once I brought it into the form all known planets, asteroids, fictitious, midpoint, did not scruple nodes distant planets and even a couple of satellites (some insist that the satellites should be taken into consideration - lol). Then, because I did not considered all aspects of the Underwater... Their there seems to be 44 pieces for the fifth space.... In short, the picture pleased me)))) Solid ink stain instead of cards.

It was a wonderful, productive day! Looking at all this mess the first time I was puzzled, and what really works? So regardless of the "school" or "directions"? Eventually left for yourself gentleman's set of the major aspects of angular houses and planets to Pluto. Of the methods only transits. In my humble opinion, to get lost and that is enough))) And analyzing the map if I have nothing to say - I put it up. Thank goodness I don't have practice (the office), and I don't get. And that would also astrological factors to study and economic.
ЕвгенийР wrote:we can say that the timeline is constantly filled almost continuous stream of astrological events
This is the most vexed question in our day of the aforementioned ink stains relevant? Every "authority" and every "Academy" decided the extent of his vision, and we, the Academy is not finished, it remains to remember another Golden rule - which is not in the Natal, that may not be in the forecast. A good filter, right?

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Post by ЕвгенийР » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:23

warlockand you know what the modulation matrix of the Cosmic Energies can be disabled or enabled in accordance with the objectives? You can remove negative influences and use positive. Or you can create a positive purpose - if needed?
It does leave professors from Astrology without pants. Although they have their personal matrix also can be modulated as to non-specialists. :oops:

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ЕвгенийР wrote:the modulation matrix of the Cosmic Energies can be disable or enable
Unfortunately I have no idea about the matrix and what value You bring here. I'm even more sorry about that modulation matrix - double-incomprehensible to me. If possible please explain in simple words, preferably such that do not require additional definitions. I want to get a little clarity on this issue, because, "who thinks clearly - clearly States".

The concept of "the matrix", "modulation" and "on-off" themselves is familiar, but in reference to astrology, and even in this form is not met.

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Post by ЕвгенийР » Sun Oct 07, 2018 13:49

warlock, the Natal chart is a diagram of the location factors at birth. This scheme affects the internal structure of the person, since birth is stored as a standard. But remember with blur at the time, as already stated and that you yourself have personal experience set.
So - this standard is stored by the body at birth, and briefly call it the matrix, or,more precisely, the deformation of the matrix Space effect, can be changed. You can remove negative strains and to create an enabling influence.
In the language of "astrologers", it means an arbitrary change in the Natal chart. Do not, for example, to move anywhere, as suggested, and it is possible to remove the negative deformation of the matrix Ascendant. Or any other planet. Or you can connect the energies of Mars and Venus, if you need to swap these types of energy in the relevant structure of the matrix.
The matrix, in brief, is the internal structure of the person supporting it in the living state. Or complex functional systems Anokhin, providing work absolutely all of its biological systems.
Thus, you mentioned the sacred cow of Astrology - Natal chart, is converted into an ordinary puff. Then extinguished the candles and parasites, loudly call themselves "astrologers", start combing through the Internet looking for another cushy job, following the example of Shura Balaganov, a son of Lieutenant Schmidt.

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ЕвгенийР wrote:you Can remove the negative deformation
Astrologers, whom You are constantly trying to lower the floor, it was always called the study - the study of planets in a house or sign, or study of any other factor. I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quotes, but it seems so.... "You must make good out of evil, because it anymore no what to do." Here we invade the sphere of philosophy, gradually moving away from astrology.
ЕвгенийР wrote:thus you mentioned the sacred cow of Astrology - Natal chart, is converted into an ordinary puff.
Fu how rude))) Here I would like to remind you that astrology is somewhat older than the model Anokhin and certainly older than your opinion about all this. Once again, please stop confusing the concept - let's discuss the flies and cutlets separately. Astrology and astrologers - the different categories. And your outrage about any "guru" course, they really became a lot, and they are sometimes such nonsense... Let's talk about astrology, regardless of noise around the topic.

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ЕвгенийР wrote:you Can remove negative strains and to create an enabling influence.
It may be of interest to many on this forum. I also wonder. To start I would like to deal with the deformation. When talking about the deformation of something, imply that the object has a normal status. How do You see the norm?

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Post by ЕвгенийР » Sun Oct 07, 2018 16:14

warlockthe norm is when a functional system of Anokhin's works in the framework of programs that provide fulfillment for her body goals.
And so on throughout the hierarchy - from the most primitive to the most high-level systems. The functional system of Anokhin have the property of self-similarity structure systems is one and the same at all levels.
The power is in the person based on the principles of Cybernetics - is the overarching principle of any system. And the theory of functional systems Anokhin is the Cybernetics of living systems. Cybernetics of Wiener's theory of non-living systems.
The principle of Analogy of Hermes Trismegistus is the principle of functional systems too. The principle of Analogy is the Great Principle. A property of functional systems as a result is output in the form of a principle of Analogy of Hermes Trismegistus. Any functional system of the same level such a functional system to another. And since everything is working works on the principle of functional systems - it is the principle of Hermes. Which is otherwise dark and mysterious.
In accordance with this, the analogy can be arranged not only Planets, but also with other systems. Which in essence is the extract of the functional systems.
If you use the principle of Analogy with these systems, the influence of the Planets can be tracked, to assess the sign of influence and to undo the negative or enhance the positive.
The influence of the Planets pinpoint how the deformation of these functional systems. People knows about it and can answer correctly the questions posed.
And the truth of it all is checked by practical and respond to the attached exposure. If the parameters improve that later manifested in the improvement of his condition, the models and insights from them is correct. If no response to the impact of no - then the model is inaccurate.
Not all very difficult. By Anokhin, any living system is able to forecast his fortune. Using this property, it is possible to trace the influence of the Planets on the person directly - in the form of his own responses about this effect.
In this sense, the analysis of the influence of the Planets does not differ from the analysis of the influence of Tarot cards or Runes. Is presented question - and get an answer.
Read our exchange with the lawyer Martin in the topic "the Great Battle of the Magicians" when I wrote to him how to test Runes and what is their impact. He, as a lawyer, led a fantastic arguments. And I actually the facts. The topic of Runescript also about it a little bit.<
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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by чернокнижник » Sun Oct 07, 2018 16:42

Evgeniy - something tells me that we need a separate topic for discussion of the functional systems. Try to formulate the results of our dialogue:

In the Natal chart are reflected (if properly read) factors that may affect the configuration of the functional systems of the living being. These factors are objective, and are not a penalty because their action can be modified or even cancelled (the last one is doubtful). A functional system is the organization of activity of elements of different anatomical supplies, aimed at the achievement of useful adaptive result. In this sense the Natal chart is a pointer to the source and nature of the problems, so to say the description of the initial set of potential problems. And you say "zilch"))) Know the problem and its source is half the battle. The Natal chart is a useful tool, if not at the level of the horoscope, so at least at the level of cosmogramma. There is, incidentally, a terrific statistics on the "medical" degrees. Reveals an influence degree on a human body structurally and functionally.

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by ЕвгенийР » Sun Oct 07, 2018 16:53

warlockthe influence of the Planets can be ascertained, even without a Natal chart.
Or, having a Natal chart, it is possible to make the wrong conclusions about the influence of the Planets on a particular person.
Well the influence of Astrology on health described in the multivolume Vronsky. There is often found a hit - but the exact determination of the moment of fixation of a Natal chart. You have, for example, is the place to be the local time 08:32:52 - try to check on their methods.
Yes, all the influence of Astrology is its impact on the running functional system. But usually these systems are hidden from consciousness until the beginning of their collapse. Therefore, the thesis about the inevitability of the subordination of the person to the influence of the Planets - scientific.
About this and Vronsky wrote in his books.

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by чернокнижник » Sun Oct 07, 2018 20:36

ЕвгенийР wrote:the influence of the Planets can be ascertained, even without a Natal chart
Is there a way?
ЕвгенийР wrote:you can make the wrong conclusions
Mistakes are possible in any case.
ЕвгенийР wrote:you Have, for example, is the place to be the local time 08:32:52 - try to check on their methods.
This is to what?
ЕвгенийР wrote:Therefore, the thesis about the inevitability of the subordination of the person to the influence of the Planets - scientific
I did not put forward such a thesis. I said - the stars incline but do not oblige. This is the FIRST thing that you need to know and constantly remember any astrologer.
ЕвгенийР wrote:About this and Vronsky wrote in his books.
Vronsky lot of what he wrote, including the impact astrological factors in human. What more should we believe the books of Vronsky or your logical constructions? Personally, I learned a lot of useful things from his writings, and it was on astrology. And why only Vronsky? Very much in the history of astrology of names of equal stature! Or are they all nonsense worked for you? Some dedicated to astrology, the whole of life. Anticipating a possible answer I will ask - and what for you is the criterion of scientific character?

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Re: Astrology - science or fairy tale?

Post by ЕвгенийР » Sun Oct 07, 2018 20:51

warlockmost mostly nonsense.
I wrote that the influence of the Planets is measured at the instance of any Characters.
Check the time, maybe you would be more precise to work with.
And actually, I information reported, and you think over it. Like interpreting please.
To me interpretation is not interesting, I have another task - to find and eliminate the negative. And what he looks at the person in the form of the evil eye, migration, or the negative influence of the planets - totally indifferent.
Yes, it is possible to permanently remove all the interfering influence of Planets and for all to benefit from a positive influence. There is a special technology.
Most "astrologers", as most "homeopaths" or other professions always go on the same track - first spend years studying the subject, I'm trying to use, and then some people type of Tina Turner says it is these professionals-pests almost got sent to the light. Eventually there comes demoralization and "experts" understand that what they studied all my life - not working. Starts running around psychics and astrologers - should-still try to escape if possible. But psychics and astrologers themselves are usually looking for who would be saved.
warlockand you thought, looking at Vronsky, why is the count Russian language is not native? Usually children remember the language for a long time, even speak without an accent. And count Vronsky - a terrible accent. It is necessary to check all. Writers especially.
The criterion of scientific character? Not thought about it yet. Know another definition - Truth is what works. I need to always work, the rest I leave to the public.
Although - I can say that the Astrology you practice the form - totally unscientific. Science always requires repetition of the experiment. And a specific customer "astrologer" everything is always as individual as the individual themselves "astrologers". So this kind peyzanskoy Astrology refers by definition to the mantic systems of divination systems. Astrology by definition does not have the property of repeatability.<

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