EXAMINATION

[Талласиец]

This section will discuss practices, techniques and technologies of third-party authors. I propose this topic in the framework of the club it is because here in the most people experienced enough who has studied many practices that use different techniques, technologies and products of different authors. That is not going to fall for "naked" is, and reasonably understand by "pebbles". I think many people have in mind different systems, which seems to be interesting, but knowledge is not enough, and in a cult or under the influence of some of the egregore to get reluctant. And the conclusion as the recommendation of the owners of the forum could lay out to the public to warning or Vice versa - recommendations.
And of course you need permission for placement in this section, links to resources, about which there is a desire to ask.
What do you think? If not successful, then delete the theme.

[к-13]

Fallaciesand if you ask You to explain the reason for creating this topic specifically for You (personally)? That is, You want to hear the opinions of others about the techniques that they tried on her? Or related to any third-party themes? Why should You?

Personally in my experience I have tried many things, did many things with my own hands (and still do, only as gifts - most do not need)... Just give it to someone other than myself?

[Талласиец]

K-13
Do not have tried on myself. Just a lot of opinions , different points of view helps to understand, isn't it?
Let's say he caught the eye of some kind of system, technique, technology. The reviews on the site just super. Explain the principle of operation is also scientifically justified. Or not scientifically, but enough that would be interested. But we all know that reviews can be falsified. Justification is also sometimes invent these, that's amazing. And most all know it is impossible. That can be discussed with knowledgeable people possible to provide the results, or is it manipulation of the minds of the inhabitants, only the item "provisional government" for much. You say that many able, experienced, and therefore know a lot, not theoretically. So can an informed opinion to Express.
As a result, several different points of view in debates can occur knowledge and personal experience that I think will be of interest to Club members, including negative, but you never know...
Here you made the "arbiter". It is similar to the system of "Turbo-suslik". I am familiar with this system engaged. But I was always irritated by the end of the protocols. Where it was argued that our subconscious mind is our servant. Right here well not taking a shower and everything. In "the Arbiter" is softer.
But that's not the point. Such "Turbo gopher" system to work with the subconscious a lot. But the one that interested me. Baibak. Creator Nikolay Zuev. Perhaps you are familiar with this system. So please let us know what you think!
And then there's "Quantance" Alexander Ordering...
Although I will repeat, if there is no interest for Club members, what to talk about.

[к-13]

FallaciesYou want to understand all the techniques on the Internet based on someone else's opinion?

The point of all techniques is that most of them work. Just works and - if you choose this specific path and follow it to the end without distraction more than anything, I will come to very good results. But so hard to choose any one path... And stay on it at least a little longer than one session of surfing the sites of self-development)))

The meaning of the draining network of a huge number of working techniques only one - loss their value against the background of the fact that there are many other at least as good. In such circumstances, no one will be able to go on one way - there are certainly better ways (easier, more interesting, more cool, more popular, more exotic), you will have to leave here and start anew there, and there again there is something new (and there is already not so interesting...) and around again...

Endless running in someone else's wheel, not closer to the cherished goal step. The brain of the squirrel running is the focus on the "clip thinking", not able long to keep attention on one thing, it applies to the whole life of modern humanity becomes morally impossible to live in the same house (well, at least with the same couch/TV/kitchen/Wallpaper...), to maintain a relationship with the same love, drive on the same machine to use the same phone... People from seeking to light creatures with an immortal soul turns into a consumer, Autonomous self-propelled digestive tract, whose sole purpose is the recycling of product waste, for which he must continually give up energy in the form of work - interchangeable cog in the system, for the best matrix fragment biomass, a source of continuous circulation of money and negative emotions.

so you did, "the decider". It is similar to the system of "Turbo-suslik". I am familiar with this system engaged.

Want your honest opinion on this? It's not like You set it up. Familiar can be, and that surface, again apparently only reviews from other users who also with it only superficially familiar with. But did - the big question.

Somehow, many members of the forum now there's a very interesting pattern to send in PM the link to ask to see (often still require registration), to understand and then to explain to them and generally to evaluate is worthwhile or not.
You, Fallacieswent even further and created a theme to which others must carry everything on a platter)))
For me - if you read about something and do not understand - do not even try to understand or find someone who will explain, chew, appreciate and help to start... If you just do not belong to the soul, hence to lay down its not worth it - if the time comes for this, it comes into my head and become clear. And to listen to a crowd of anonymous advisers I altogether bad experience.<

[Русалка]

Although I will repeat, if there is no interest for Club members, what to talk about.

I am an opponent of the topic. For will return to normal Internet crap, pardon the expression. Someone's running technique and he's happy, the other does not work,but he loves the equipment Used, and the authors technique And considers narrow-minded quacks. On the forum there are threads for links to other resources for self-development. The one who is usually happy, others may draw their own conclusions. Any technique it is possible to find both positive and negative feedback.
Here, I agree

For me - if you read about something and do not understand - do not even try to understand or find someone who will explain, chew, appreciate and help to start... If you just do not belong to the soul, hence to lay down its not worth it - if the time comes for this, it comes into my head and become clear. And to listen to a crowd of anonymous advisers I altogether bad experience.

[Талласиец]

Well. I will not argue with the GURU but still in the club. Jump to conclusions to begin to teach is the trend however. Topic closed and will be filed with the request for its removal.

[нева]

I agree in principle that any technique will or will not work depending on carrier relationships. And subject to endure is optional. The theme can be applied..for example Doing a particular job under a particular technology -- something happened, something failed, what is wrong when it did not, and why?

Than not examination?

[нева]

Where it was argued that our subconscious mind is our servant. Right here well not taking a shower and everything

Here the subconscious and does not accept. But there are subtleties.) If you release the subconscious "into the wild" not the fact that people quickly will not drink too much, or will not develop schizophrenia..

[раданов]

Fallaciesis this trend simply a single person . however
for theme follow with interest . to endure is not worth it .
I will explain why he will not answer the third-party products and techniques that authors use to make any objective conclusions and to talk about the results in the slice out-nepoluchilos we first need to have at least one process has been completed , such in my practice there .. whether crawling slowly ,or techniques such a deep across all practices used in the current time gravitate more to the disclosure ,the experience I describe in the different branches of the forum .. so to say stop to consider the process from the outside and to draw conclusions means in the current situation to be at least biased ,but all the people here are educated and open to communication and exchange of experience ,do not want to give wrong, incomplete or biased information . something like this

[к-13]

Well. I will not argue with the GURU but still in the club. Jump to conclusions to begin to teach is the trend however. Topic closed and will be filed with the request for its removal.

I'm telling you - "clip thinking". Even to compete for your ideas have no desire... Enough of someone's hasty conclusions, so again without hesitation to curtail from the chosen way... there is too Much other people's paths to follow... But to discuss them online is certainly needed, but more, panagoulia, tricky... And finally someone else to blame for their own failures, one of the reason is my own laziness. You have listed me as many systems that are similar with TC and "the Arbiter", but neither one of them You really have not tried. You and a topic that has created a that someone else told You what to choose, what to pay attention to what else I can learn... But in the end, then You personally will not benefit from this - well acquainted with a dozen systems, ways, methods and objects... And then what? Forget about everything and will just continue to live never having tried? Consider that I have carried out the examination of Your way of self-development. Studied, considered and made findings with practical recommendations. You really do not want?

First, prove that my conclusions are hasty, and then blame me for it. Even just the question answer clearly and why is that? Not me - myself, yourself, honestly. And what can insights-just correct, but our own position is not very?... I have a lot of experience with different people - in person and on the Internet (I started as a volunteer at the center for psychological rehabilitation of victims of local wars - after their household snot and spiritual wanderings are perceived quite differently), if a person wants to fix something, I will be able to help him to do it. Sooner or later, one way or another! Just to fix something, one must first understand what was the error, not just to ride, like a horse Tavdinsky out of the rut in a rut, so in the end nowhere and not moving (and often only exacerbating the situation).

Or continue to take offense and then waste precious moments of life clogging the head with excessive information, self-deception and shifting responsibility on others. A strong man never does. And the weak are not able to go on the chosen path (because, among other things, that does it all the time). Only the choice of the man himself - the struggle for the best or the worst comfort - envy in the eyes of others or pity. Or - or.

Tallasee, this trend is simply one person . however

Well, I don't work for this company - I do not have potential clients to please, to appease and tolerate silent their shortcomings))) My goal is to help people become better (they're all here for this, right?). Some stupid Pat on the head (sensible heads assistance is usually not really needed) it is very hard to do - and sometimes you have magical wedgies to use blackmail to go, and even for CDA to drag in the desired direction. Moreover, we have here the Internet and all the freedom of speech - creating a theme on the Internet should initially be prepared for the fact that not everything written in it, the other will be easy and pleasant. C'est La Vie.

Here You personally, radanovwhat exactly do not agree with my words?<

[Талласиец]

K-13 Proposed the topic for discussion, joint discussion. Not found support (at the time of your response). No court, no, the tragedy of this was not going to do.
Prompt, where I wrote an application to the examination of my personal life, to psychoanalysis, to whom and what was I supposed to prove? Where in the rules of the club the count: "I Want to create a topic for discussion - prove-To-13 , you deserve it!". What kind of nonsense is that anyway?
Resentment? Rather puzzled. Your mistakes and weaknesses I know myself perfectly, the help of a psychoanalyst, even unauthorized, do not need. Your motive: to teach all and Sundry may be good, but we all know where such intentions pave the path.

[Иван Славов]

The theme is quite normal, in my opinion.

Fallaciescan feel completely free to put Your questions and opinions, there is a club. Another question - if he /she/ which will be able to respond correctly and adequately.

[к-13]

Fallaciesand You just pay attention to how this section is generally called...
"Materials Club Self-Development".
Here participants are offered things that are available only to club members. You personally in this particular topic what specific materials for members of the club offer?

this section will discuss practices, techniques and technologies of third-party authors.

Another chatter about nothing, only in the narrow circle of owners of club cards? Note that the presence of the card (which is free retail sale) does not necessarily imply you have its owner all these great qualities, is able in Your opinion to radically change the content of the discussion, the better... the Map only confirms the fact that the owner paid for it.

Even here the issue is not that if someone create a topic in this section (all worthy) - we are talking only about its practical usefulness to the club. My opinion about its practical Uselessness, I just expressed. It is not necessary to look for ways to kill time or to spread the attention of a bunch of unnecessary information, distracting from the practice.

What sense then was to create a private club in order to discuss that, and so online at all the corners of the packs stuck?...
If You are in the open section of the club proposed a similar discussion (to consider different schools, perhaps in order to attract one of the leading representatives of the most popular participants of the school for an exclusive online classes for club members), the question would not have arisen.

PS: You absolutely nothing about my "paved path" worried))) feel Better about your mind.

[к-13]

the Theme is quite normal, in my opinion.

Fallaciescan feel completely free to put Your questions and opinions, there is a club. Another question - if he /she/ which will be able to respond correctly and adequately.

Wang, such a great idea lies in the core of the club is to create a community of people United by certain common stock for all of the artifact in the form of membership cards, which will develop together, going towards their goals, supporting each other. It is not necessary to turn into a banal Smoking room, where there is nothing but empty chatter, for this is enough sections.

[Иван Славов]

I hope, obvious enough is my opinion, if nothing prokomentiruyu, Roman.

[к-13]

AchimYes , I already said everything I wanted. Does anyone know where to read about it?

Specialised software package the Club Card is free, included in club dues and is one of the common resources and possibilities of the Club. The programs that are activated on the Club Card based on the so-called "U-system" deployment of natural qualities in a single field changes.

[Евгений Борисович]

http://www.mindmachine.ru/club/u-system.htm

[Русалка]

does Anyone know where to read about it?

definition of the programs of the club card is more complicated than neocolonial because of the program u-systems are ancient,formed over the millennia software. In General, claim 1 is an overall description of the essence of the work package, and the rest is detail. When tuned into a particular program you have to understand that this is a Convention, more than in the programs of nokolaev.

The package "Will (power) perception of the world" (WARRIOR)

1. Axial movement (see the Function U-system volume)
2. Switch (power transition with high power variant of lines)
3. External synchronization of the movement of energy
4. The complex of the winner (something only in the second place, it is necessary in the first place)
5. Activation of volitional centre
6. “The nagual” (the controlled heat of passion)
7. Arrow (program intent)
8. Tornado – spiral vortex cleaning
9. Fist – collected and concentrated for action energy
10. The hunt for power – the search for energy sources in all aspects and manifestations of the surrounding space
11. Expansion

Package "Perception through the mind" (SAGE)

1. Extension (refer to U-system volume)
2. Taxonomy+ (synthetic knowledge)
3. Code deep reactions
4. Satori
5. Creativity+ ver.2_1
6. Level Of Existence
7. Eureka
8. Info-system of the world (realm of ideas). Ideas as you know flying in the air, it is to some extent true, the realm of ideas is one of the terminals of GAAP, through the program the operator has access to and can draw ideas formed by anyone at any point of the Earth
9. Slow rhythms (high-quality work of the brain occurs in a slow rhythm).
10. Protective program “the Fog” (“Shroud”)
11. The increase of information density
12. Energy thoughts

Package "Sense (at the level of anahata) worldview" (the PRIEST)

1. Spiral motion (refer to U-system volume)
2. The Necker cube (combination of levels)
3. 12 conditions of proportionality
4. Internal synchronization of the movement of energy
5. Egregorial pumping (energy management egregors)
6. Satori – provide a snapshot of insights and knowledge is inexplicable from the standpoint of logic
7. Third eye
8. "Cat" – a shift of consciousness in the subtle worlds with deduction of consciousness in the physical world
9. Coexistence
10. Integration
11. Installation of external relations
12. The atmosphere of the planet
13. Introduction

From here: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=5920<

[Овод]

K-13 Proposed the topic for discussion, joint discussion. Not found support (at the time of your response). No court, no, the tragedy of this was not going to do.
Prompt, where I wrote an application to the examination of my personal life, to psychoanalysis, to whom and what was I supposed to prove? Where in the rules of the club the count: "I Want to create a topic for discussion - prove-To-13 , you deserve it!".

The fact of the matter is that the problem is not K-13,and you. Yesterday you agreed to-13,today, agree with the Gadfly,and tomorrow you take the point of view of some Пети666,and his opinions have no who shout louder for that and go.
As default you are very insecure acting,created the theme and immediately write to her your concerns about who and how your idea will belong,so long and the critics did not have to wait(you begged) and they started discussing you,not your idea.
You default,in this thread you are the captain,and behave...more the captain's confidence in their own position and a bit of nerve and all will be good,and if you can't you better close the topic.

What comes to your idea about creating a theme in which people will share their experience in the study of various artifacts,magical schools, and religious systems,and then on the basis of collective analysis to make generalizations about the effectiveness of/defectively/harmfulness/usefulness of magic schools,religious organizations,a magical artifact or some kind of spiritual practice,this theme of unconditional needed,only for its correct implementation need not unsuited channelinger which are now a dime a dozen,and need people scanners. Here they once again lacking,their principle on this site is not much,but within the club at all units...

[нева]

Generally Fallacies interestingly enough the idea of community developed. The bottom line: When people are "looking together in the same direction" we are a community to a greater extent than "Swan, cancer and pike" ( go together and look the same way and say to each other..mind the pit..) So when friends, or a man and a woman, or company..together through the movie in the cinema, after watching there is always something to discuss and share experiences..it brings due to the fact that people learn better from experience and other opinions about what they saw or heard. Discipline in the classroom at school or in the army in the ranks. this is partly achieved by the direction of attention..one way, e.g. a teacher. If the teacher(commander) competent, and generally friendly class friendly class is a good community, and a strong egregore.
But when people do not look in the same direction, and at each other..looking for weak spots..(the position of the predator)..this is the situation of confrontation. When two people swear to each other, always watching each other in the eyes, and there was someone who passing.
The ability and understanding of "cooperation", it is possible to say an important point in any community that is not totalitarian.
As for development, it is possible Fallacies just not very clearly expressed. And so do everyone ought to start to practice development "in the kitty" , to read, say, all the available gospel and the Koran along with Buddhism and Zoroastrianism..(regardless of past experience) and for each to write the abstract of the villages for five, and then ten pages, the overall comparative analysis. The need for the development of manufactured Intelligence work is (super -)..)
Man who spent month on this work, in tens times will be more developed than the other person is not pursuing such work.
Therefore, the subject is a normal, no only mental work.

[нева]

Fallacies
It would be interesting to read Your reasoning.. a large sect.. Radostea. I mean how so many people have a crush on ? What hypnosis is? What kind of technology? If there is at least some grain of truth? What is destructive? etc.
Let's try to conduct the examination.

[к-13]

Neva - in an open forum at the time of writing You this message:

Total posts: 125564 | Topics: 2215

More than 20 thousand pages of the volume, the forum has already caught up with all the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (all thirty volumes of small print together, but like if he's at least a hundredth part of informativeness?).
You little discussion of different views and divided into nearly 6 thousand users experiences? And then you need the duplicate?

Not to be confused with self-development and Internet reading... no One gets better from others that know more than others about how to be better - for this you need to change yourself. You're all trying to chase the huge number of birds simultaneously, with the purpose of not having to grab at least one in hand... Why? What are you going to do with? Collecting how expensive cars? Just to have, not even trying to use? A worthy goal... in the end your collection and rot unused, and you nothing, but frustration will not get. The only result will be a desire to convince others that you have once "passed on their own experience" and there was no no - all the hype and pustoslovstvo.

Fallacies do not propose to discuss something specific, he created another theme for just about everything - he's even a category of discussion has not advanced - and practice here, and technicians, and all who on that much... have You ever though one of the variants of development of this topic in something other than regular trash, see? Honestly, based on personal experience? I do not see. Because many do not know - never seems enough and I want more and more and practice time is longer is a scourge of all scientists, theorists, never go into a practice... They produce a lot of work mind, but often there is nothing new in the world do not bring - just chew someone else's discoveries...

It turns out then that our self-development is just another way ostentatious vypendritsya in front of others... Typical psychology of the consumer...
"How do you so long to do self-development and still don't know anything about spartakusbriefe megadermatidae of consciousness from John DOE? Yes, you goof! I about it still five years ago heard!"
"Why are you still not learned the schedule sanjaasurengiin? After all, without this it is impossible to develop normally! Immediately ceases to hold his shit and dive into the world of lines, circles and dots!"
"You still got that astral and lucid dreams? Yes, it's last century, lame and a waste of time! Holotrop that's where the power and move forward!"
In the end, a full head of enlightening knowledge, and without things lying around, just taking up space in the hope to someone's intelligence Shine...

Real self-development begins only when man definitely chooses his own path - one in which he will go to his personal top at this stage of life and not just read about it will write on the forums, as it is commonly... Movement on a particular path does not interfere with watching other ways, but each path leads to the top in different ways- jumped on his on the next and seems to be forward all the time went, and he brought you to where you were on the old way and sometimes even to the foot of the mountain. There are, of course, and direct way to speed recovery (e.g., the beginning of the story of Carlos, apprentice of don Juan), but they are very difficult to stop in time to not fly top of head over heels and not roll to the opposite foot.<

[нева]

Present the self-development begins only when man definitely chooses his own path - one in which he will go to his personal top at this stage of life

"Your Way" choose to be proposed? Not pre-acquainted with the full list.? After Selecting the Way..might have to go to the end, but it requirements to those already on the Way, but most of looking for wander along the winding wild boar trails in the deep woods on a dark night and without a compass and matches. And suddenly every lost sincerely believes that he is already on the Way, and ready to reach your personal peaks moving in the night through the swamp, and moved obnaruzhiteli that the path ended and there was no Way back... if only with the dawn.)) Maybe ... that question to yourself...what the Hell have here..is a criterion of the beginning of development..and the Way..he is not somewhere out there to understand, but just a tough road to Home.

all of You here trying to chase the huge number of birds simultaneously, with the purpose of not having to grab at least one in hand... Why? What are you going to do with?

....So if the goal is to grab the hare, it is a common thing. You definitely need to try..just to chase birds in the huge field on the SUV, not in order to catch..but in order to understand. Wild rabbits love to play and socialize, and fill it with positive. Gonyanie three hares in the field.. a very positive event(active rest)..especially when the hare got away too quickly...stops and waits to catch up, if you know what you have in mind is no problem to shoot. Someone walks to feed the squirrels .Everyone is free to determine how to spend their leisure or spare time, including creating threads ..which are still active..thanks to our with You ..and Achim and Gadfly.. and all are participating in the discussion.efforts..)) In particular ..this..) Happy reading by the way..this topic..and invisible verbiage..
Gadfly ..for example, gave the keys to the development of type.. just the default..and the cards...)
I don't know of course, but for me, these expressed thoughts have value..)

If people are not being, and all..this forum is to be on the top ten pages..)) And while the verbiage..it is a living book..type the Book of Life..where a..record your thoughts..and no crime.. in that thought.. different people.. different...and structural properties and strength.))<

[нева]

Fallacies do not propose to discuss something specific, he created another theme for just about everything - he's even a category of discussion has not advanced - and practice here, and technicians, and all who on that much...

The fact that He just genuinely was involved, what is the real value. Just part is different, but no bad reason, I can't see..)
Contributed people in the process..intuitively or subconsciously and this is Your merit.....for it is You ... the expert on the awakening of the subconscious..)).. and now what..? In self-realization.. all ..will be limited..?).. I think..this is optional..) And generally the person 23 posts of all the new people on the forum, the topic asked.. see here the power of the spirit..take responsibility..and take the initiative. Sure..He's a good member..)

[Иван Славов]

By the way /by the way why only/ - reading the posts in this thread and referring U-system and description of archetypes can /must/... to think deeper about their archetypes

But we are always dealing with the interaction of these types with each other in any community system. It may be society in General, and the Club of Self-development as a natural community. That is why natural systems are in constant dynamics and balance, subtly reacting to any changes that occur with each element of the system.

... and, of course, if enough force/.