About the Creator, the Universe, and about us......

[Смелый]

The idea to open this topic arose spontaneously. Accidentally got into one of the topics in the club of self-development, just read, just waved his sword.
Then realizing that I can't be the author in this club, and the opponent is no longer interested, but someone in my head, put so much information, it's time to share with the forum.
Besides, "Talk about everything", more people happen.
Sponsors I invite Mimohodom and Sterifilt.
I have to both of you please. Material a decent amount. In the process of presentation topics will be some of the ideas placed in the canvas of this material, but requires an additional, separate discussion.
These points I will emphasize, you need to remember in the future to ask me more detail or vision.

So, I'm Alexander!
Mimohodom - Igor!
Sterifilt - ?

Offer to communicate on "YOU"

The letter "b" starts a word war. In the old days, when we were going to start a war, and said: "Go for YOU"
The word friend begins with the letter "T".

[Смелый]

Let's start again from here.

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You can see all, but we need the animation of the motion of the Solar system in space. The beginning of 4.0 minutes.

What do we see?
The sun flies through space around the galactic center. The planet as a tethered, rotating, flying over the Sun. I have the feeling that I'm afraid to fall behind. Monitoring the flight of this group of individuals allows us to understand that the planets flying with the Sun moving in two directions. As if in a circle, and at the same time, forward, to follow the Sun. Circular motion is not closing the circle, as it were, walking into the space forward, forming a helix. That is, the planets of the Solar system, following the Sun fly on a spiral trajectory. This is the first.

Second.
And the planets and the Sun but their motion in space somewhere ahead, and even rotate on their own axes. They are moving, as if screwed in space. Not just fly, and screwed. Remember whatever comes to mind. Drill bit from a drill or drills, buriki, the auger from the combine etc. a Rule of Thumb, finally.

Third.
The animation is seen. The sun attracts the planets. On the contrary, where it then rushes forward in its solar business. And the planets just fly after him. The sun Leading and the planets are driven.

Fourth.
If this is all true, it becomes hrenovato.
Because, by itself disappears the question of the attraction of the Sun to his planets of its system. While dull and foggy? Clarify!

But something emerges that is contrary to the official Canon. But whether still will be!

[мимоходом]

Interesting to listen to )) the Forum revived.

About the video... on the one hand it is. And on the other not so. All the planets lie in the same plane with the sun is just a fact of astronomical observations. And the fact is confirmed by a simple visual observation by astronomers of planets for thousands of years. This is called the Ecliptic. The planets are behind the sun, and are in the same plane as shown in the heliocentric coordinate system. Nevertheless, flying behind it as shown in the video.

Let me explain a little differently still. The sun travels at a speed of 230 km/h. But exactly the same speed and have the planet in this direction. They do not need to lag behind as shown in the video is not consistent with observed reality. Just speed 230km/h has the entire solar system as a whole. When the sun gave birth to the planet (and it was protocolary a single disk the size of a whole solar system), he the time flew 230 km/h. Then this disk was formed about 30 seals-planets, which is in the plane of the disk and left. Then the planets collided with each other, increased their weight, choose the best orbit. And the result was what happened... But the same disk of the Ecliptic and remains - no one no one is lagging behind, although it's distorted gravity, but just a little bit, not like in the video.

The official canons are not violated here -- Just the author who created the video is not very literate ))) Maybe it's a shame, but it's true.

[Смелый]

Fifth.
The planets fly on a spiral trajectory, rotating around its own axis. But, all of them, the whole Solar system revolves more around the center of our Galaxy. Another path to...., on all the planets, the participants of this movement. But let's talk about our Land.

Our Galaxy is not the center of the Universe. It is also where the flies, revolving around something, and screwed in the space. The trajectory of our Galaxy and its required screwing in front of him (after all, Galaxy also flies on a spiral trajectory) is the same and our trajectory. Thus, we capture in its movement, more and more of space of the Universe.

Sixth.
In turn that system around which we revolve, is also part of the next, the spiral dance. And we along with it. And so perhaps to infinity. Because this space is INFINITE!
And there may be a snake effect, unsuccessfully trying to catch its own tail, but slightly promahivayas.

So, our Land, is all the nooks and crannies of the Universe.

[мимоходом]

Walking in the Park and slowly leaving behind at 3 km per hour, we simultaneously revolve along with the surface of our planet around earth's axis at a speed of 23 km per minute at the latitude of Moscow, revolve with the Earth around the Sun, every second leaving behind the 30 km with a speed of 230 km per second cross the expanses of our Galaxy and with the speed 6111км/h together with the galaxy rushing to the center of the cluster Virgo

Sometimes some nauseated and throws out of the body on the corners (just kidding)

[Смелый]

Just the author who created the video is not very literate )))

Probably what I do too. But I will continue. In the end, not in our world of "ultimate truth".

Sixth.
The Sun has no engine pushing it in a certain area. As there is no engine and its accompanying planets. But nevertheless, all we have to go fly in space.

We fly because someone Invisible, Extremely Intelligent and Infinitely Powerful, constructed space of the Energy track. Mono rails trains on the electromagnets and so on. Here on this energoalem and moves everything in the Universe.

Thus, the whole universe is bound by these energoresursami. We drove along these routes now. Someone before us. And who you will pass later.

[Смелый]

Sometimes some nauseated and throws out of the body on the corners (just kidding)

Such a great deal. It is sufficient to stroll through some cemeteries. By the way, Igor, you here is an example, please remind then that would together took it apart. It is very important. Thank you for bringing him here.

Walking in the Park and slowly leaving behind at 3 km per hour, we simultaneously revolve along with the surface of our planet around earth's axis at a speed of 23 km per minute at the latitude of Moscow, revolve with the Earth around the Sun, every second leaving behind the 30 km with a speed of 230 km per second cross the expanses of our Galaxy and with the speed 6111км/h together with the galaxy rushing to the center of the cluster Virgo

We all know that the entire universe, a huge, limitless ocean of ENERGY. This is what is called "the PRIMARY MATTER". But the fact is that this Primary Matter, Energy, space-filling - THINKING stuff!

Simply put, everything around us is energy-SPACE!
Energy-information. That is why, we are Energy-Beings.

Thus, the Creator of the first filled space Energy-Matter, then sliced in this space of the road and then began to create all have to be more dense and material (planets, etc.). Then. Otherwise, they simply had nowhere to go. Hanging they can't. They can only move. And so!

Here is energies. Did the ball/planet/system, put on energies and let the rolls/rides. And He begins to sculpt next. And so on to infinity.<

[Смелый]

Something I've already piled.

Creator Space. Thinking Stuff. The Creator fills the Space of this Thinking Matter. Cuts the road. Creates a planet and system that sends them to travel on these paved roads.

But that is not right? But what about this?

"In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. It was in the beginning with God. Through him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that was made" and verse 14 of the same Chapter: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth..." http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_wingwords/314/%D0%92

Here at least says something about intelligence. And scientists proposed the option of creating the Universe in the Big Bang and it is not. Took everything apart to the smallest particles, the stages of their appearance and all. Why these processes were carried out, what was the driving force of these processes, the question does not even arise. Moreover, frankly admit that probably, before the Big Bang, it was more that that, but modern science on this question to answer not.

Thus, neither the words, the reasonableness of the process. Don't know? And can be consciously lead us astray from realizing the reasonableness of this process, in the direction of molecules and atoms?

[мимоходом]

By the way, modern science is quite advanced it appears the information in Mat models. For example, when a black hole collapses eventually evaporates via the Hawking - there is nothing left of what she swallowed. Where does it all go... On the Mat the model enters information. What is not, but it's there. These are the esoterics, these modern scientists

[Смелый]

these are the esoterics, these modern scientists

To the scientists we will come back, maybe they are not so guilty.

And while to the Big Bang and the origin of the Universe. There was some initial, whether hot, or cold status. Some sort of super dense mass. Then it exploded. Something out there something out there from the beginning to be separated, reformatted, began to appear the particles, quarks, and much. This is obtained by a barbarian, then start to connect and so on.

Question! And where is the Creator, which all now recognize? He was doing and where he was at that time? At the time of the explosion. Hiding in the shelter?

Or is the Creator just went this way when you create the Universe? By the explosion of enormous masses of matter? And then worn by the newly created Universe, caught created by the explosive molecules and atoms, and then combined them into the substance, the substance connected in the body and so on?

What kind of hard! And nowhere is it mentioned that the Creator of the Universe were collected by the debris.
Whether they gathered themselves, or someone else behind him did. No, Its the Creator here.

But there is a logical chain: "1) the CREATOR CREATED the UNIVERSE! 2) THE UNIVERSE RESULTED FROM THE BIG BANG!"

So it is that, pyro? The Demoman? Then what it the role of the Creator in creating the Universe?

Something here doesn't add up! In General, the Creator is and what he has Created - this is not! Not visible!

And I here that the Creator has filled the space of the thinking matter, paving the road/energies, creates the planets and systems and sends them on a journey through the newly laid energodialoga. In this situation, no explosion in this system does not fit. Just don't need this bomb with this organization, creation and production. The explosion of such power - the sheer madness and lack of reason. But under my proposed scenario, the Creator is really the Creator. Creates, builds, develops, spreads and so on. Constantly working, constantly at work.

And in that theory, he's just a barbarian. Blows up, breaks down, and someone then clean up, or cleans all by itself.

Question: "WHO NEED THAT the CREATOR had BROUGHT BEFORE US IN THIS GUISE?"

I'm exaggerating? Then you associate the functions of the Creator, as the Universe and the Big Bang theory.

Next question. Igor! I am weak in knowledge of physics. Is it possible to sum up the past processes in the Big Bang, the laws of Thermodynamics? Is there an analogy? Coincidence?<

[мимоходом]

is it possible to sum up the past processes in the Big Bang, the laws of Thermodynamics? Is there an analogy? Coincidence?

Not, this is the biggest snag. According to the laws of thermodynamics in a closed system is possible only increase entropy, i.e. increase of chaos. And we have seen how chaos is reduced more and more - the formation of new galaxies, stars, planets, life on them... Thermodynamics is crying in the corner.

To recognize the loyalty of her laws one way, considering that the universe is NOT a closed system, and it is that, a kind of structuring force, not yet understood. It is actually something probably is information (unmanifested).

By the way, is now in the Tank check the alternative model, in which the big Bang and the universe has always existed. To prove this it is enough to create a tiny black hole artificially. As soon as it is received - this will prove this theory, in which also there are many parallel universes. The very hole, if you will create the safe, it will vanish for a tiny fraction of a second, will disappear. But if it will - it will be a revolution in physics and changing postulates.

[Смелый]

to Acknowledge the loyalty of her laws one way, considering that the universe is NOT a closed system, and it is that, a kind of structuring force, not yet understood.

That is, recognizing (just, let, let, admitting) that the universe is not a closed system and infinite, and that it is a kind of REASONABLE STRUCTURE, MANAGEMENT POWER, we may these processes be considered from the point of view of the laws of thermodynamics?

Just, just assuming!

Guessed it - got it? So?

[мимоходом]

I guess it is. And matter all the time seeks to come to a state of chaos. For example, if the car in the Parking lot to leave for ten thousand years - it is into dust crumble. However, new machines in spite of the desire of the entire system to collapse. According to thermodynamics, any system tends to equilibrate, and this condition within the universe - one cloud with the same density and temperature at any point. That is jelly.

And organizing force in this jelly makes globs ))

[Смелый]

Probably so.

Thanks Igor!
In this case, continue your fantasies.

The Creator is an Intelligent Power that filled space in a Reasonable Matter! But let's try something simpler. Intelligent Matter filling the space, this is Reasonable Force. The same Creator. He has always existed, exists now and will continue to always exist.

I offered a variant of its action as a Force making the owner of a cafe, creating, moving and so on.

But someone had to go from temperature, expansion, compression and so on.

We are assuming that it was, but adding this origin in mind, I came to the conclusion that these processes can be considered from the point of view of the laws of thermodynamics.

But someone began to examine these processes from the point of view of the Big Bang. Exploded and that's it.

Thus, eliminated the possibility of presence in this process, the characteristics of Reasonable Structure, Force!

Igor, how much time there is this theory? When she was born and the authors brought it to the masses.

[мимоходом]

Soviet physicist Friedman on the basis of Einstein's equations predicted that the universe is expanding (and indeed it is). And once it expands - he suggested that she used was all in one point from which began to rapidly expand. The rapid expansion just called explosion, but it's just a characteristic of the fast process.

By the way, some say that when the universe starts to shrink back - the time will go back ))

[Смелый]

Rapid expansion just called explosion, but it's just a characteristic of the fast process.

Nice working with you! You react quickly and act fast, have good instincts at the beginning of the situation.

So all the same rapid expansion?

But the big Bang is an instant extension?

With this rapid expansion still implies some kind of organization?

And the explosion then everything instantly turns into chaos?

Am I right?

Igor, I will not argue with you. You and I are the co-authors of the topics and searching for the truth. We do this in a way that would not present the readers insights/truths, what would have been a visible process. And what this process is. Further we climbed and into the Subconscious and collective unconscious and so on. Do not get lost.

[мимоходом]

Yes, I also do not argue, just write about the most accepted theory. And after a century a different theory will take is still developing )))

In the model of the big Bang in the first milliseconds, the temperature dropped to trillions of times and began to form the first sverdsvette which produced all the elements of the periodic table (if esoterically to dream, why not the first Archangel). To 4 seconds, I think they already exploded into an even more powerful explosion, flown apart matter throughout the universe. The substance of these very first stars we made, like everything else - galaxies, stars, planets...

In General, the shards of the first stars scattered in the form of dust, this dust was the reason (why?) to twist into a funnel around suspected black holes forming galaxies. These protogalactical the discs rotated by the funnel harder and faster, the gas was heated until it caught fire.

This fire was formed protsvetanie drives, again rotating, of which again in the center of a condensed sun, and around it in orbits of the planet condensed, again forms a funnel, which again warmed up until the sun broke out and did not rise to life on Earth.

[Смелый]

Yes, I also do not argue, just write about the most accepted theory. And after a century a different theory will take is still developing )))

Here you write it.

And once it expands - he suggested that she used was all in one point from which began to rapidly expand. The rapid expansion just called explosion, but it's just a characteristic of the fast process.

And here here so.

In the model of the big Bang in the first milliseconds, the temperature dropped to trillions of times and began to form the first sverdsvette which produced all the elements of the periodic table (if esoterically to dream, why not the first Archangel). To 4 seconds, I think they already exploded into an even more powerful explosion, flown apart matter throughout the universe.

1) the Extension, even if it is very fast, still not in milliseconds occurs.

2) Any explosion implies an increase in temperature. And you're misleading about its catastrophic, instantaneous reduction. How is this possible?

[Ольга Лагуза]

Where a hurry? With this rate, the pile will then not raking.
We cannot assert that between the planets and the sun there is no gravity, it may simply not coincide with our ideas about it. The more that our visible Sun, in reality is just a reflection of the Central Spiritual Sun.

[мимоходом]

Any explosion implies an increase in temperature. And you're misleading about its catastrophic, instantaneous reduction. How is this possible?

And this is according to the laws of thermodynamics. When the volume expands, the temperature drops per unit area. All is good, but it is not clear why condensation in the form of stars and other things, but not uniformly warm cloud. Wasn't supposed to happen, if the original point was not irregularities. And by definition, could not be, it's a singularity. It turns out the singularity formed absolute chaos. But to organize themselves into a funnel, he began under the influence of information, external influence (probably), however it's unscientific, but just my guess.

[Смелый]

somewhere in a hurry?

Normal workflow.

With this rate, the pile will then not raking.

No raking is when you don't know what rozhranim to do. And I have a clear concept of what I want to convey to the public.

We cannot assert that between the planets and the sun there is no gravity,

You don't say! I guess. What planet in the Solar system are not moving because the Sun attracts the planet towards itself and thus the whole system is flying in space. And each object moving in its own way paved for him the way. They simply have all the track laid close to.
Here in the picture cutting grooves inside the artillery barrel. Grooves a lot, but the result is the same. The projectile accurately at the target.


Imagine that our Solar system is the same projectile. And all the parts flying in its grooves/tracks but all together in the same direction. Because the shell is also not a whole of parts.

[Смелый]

And this is according to the laws of thermodynamics. When the volume expands, the temperature drops per unit area.

So all the same according to the laws of thermodynamics was the process!

Not with a Bang, when the temperature increases! As the temperature is decreased, as there was a thermodynamic process.

After all, right?

[мимоходом]

The process itself since the explosion yeah, thermodynamic. It is not clear if this is only self structures, it is to thermodynamics does not fit

[Смелый]

the process since the explosion yeah, thermodynamic. It is not clear if this is only self structures, it is to thermodynamics does not fit

Well, thank you!

Now I have all this mosaic blinded together, and you look carefully, and if not, show me.

What happened in the us models of the Universe in the Big Bang theory, not all parameters fit into the accepted, and most importantly, fully understood the understanding of how the explosion actually happens.

On the other hand, this model does not fully meet and thermodynamic laws.

Here tension and tolerances there, too. Thus, without full and clear, final idea of what happened there actually, but since the process approach is partially different physical laws, the creators of the model just picked one of these processes, and his name is called the beginning of the creation of the Universe. The Big Bang. But could on another call. For example, the Great Transformation, Beautiful Moment and so on.

Thus, it is possible to recognize that the name of the model of the Universe "the Big Bang"not fully consistent with the model, is conditional and in this case, accidental.

So? I correctly formulated?

[Ольга Лагуза]

Alexander, so You still for the explosion, and the absence of a Creator? Or I not correctly understood You.