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Who knows what regulations, laws to take the baby without vaccinations in kindergarten, school...

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there is still a transfer of vaccination

Тяфа wrote:to take the child without vaccinations in kindergarten, school...

Why give a child in kindergarten and school?

Support the question of Vladimir.... I don't understand why.

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Владимир Никонов wrote:why give a child in kindergarten and school?

Vladimir Nikonov
Michael_
For social adaptation (socialization). In order for a child to learn to interact with their peers, have developed adequate skills of being in the outside world ( to fight, to negotiate, to interact, to play ...our Zhi-and-and-life - GAME!) so in adulthood, not became sociophobe, a scapegoat, a whiner and didn't suffer from infantilism. To peers and then colleagues, not "shown him the finger" and called "rain Man."

Dimas is the opinion of an adult, which is still not much in the subject.
The children of those who won't give them back to kindergarten(and often school) is much better socially adapted than those who gives. It's not just empty words but in concrete experience, and multiple.
In General on this subject and a lot of literature and can be found in the LJ profile of the parent group.
Since the topic was created, I later will odnopolnyh a few, now with time is tight.

The vaccination issue can be solved (there are standards, there are proven mothers behavior patterns according to these rules, which are forcing the leadership of these organizations to stop the show and take the children no problem and is in professional communities discussed).

But with the social. adaptation everything is exactly the opposite of what might seem at first glance.
Naturally, in order to any, you should not just child not to give into the garden, but to actively engage in development.
The form "adaptation" in kindergartens and schools, gives the worst option, but now is not the time to decipher a long message.

What attracts in the garden is a child's play in the team, and then come to you and I, Yes we with you.....
To school, of course, a lot of questions, especially about the knowledge that she gives the flow of this knowledge

Михаил_ wrote:demAs is the opinion of an adult, which is still not much in the subject.

Possible. But my preparation for the profession meant a mandatory visit to the different SEI Centres for psychological-pedagogical rehabilitation and correction. In particular, children were tested for school readiness. I have spoken with many moms with similar views (did not go to kindergarten, do not want to go to school, but these centers move as a job). So, the data the children are not socialized and even to school not ready. Cannot distinguish living from nonliving, basic tests can not pass, bad talk, with peers acting as Mowgli afraid of them, until the hysteria with dragonium feet on the floor (witnessed). And it's not 1-3 of the child, it's almost ALL observed these centers, parents for new-fangled ideas don't want to "spoil" their children to our kindergartens and schools. Don't want to play the role of devil's advocate and say that our Russian schools and gardens the Acme of perfection, but whatever it was, they perform a significant role in the upbringing and socialization of the child, who would what was not said.
About vaccinations I almost agree, but the question you need to vent more thoroughly.

the Yip
The school is more important even not knowing that the baby can get. An important process of socialization and education in the first place. Of course the question is, how well the educational institution to cope with it. Knowledge (information) as time the child can receive at home. And the process of education is not a process of informing Education is giving the image of the child, which includes the socialization, and education (education=feeding if you want, and not every parent, as practice shows, is a good teacher, in fact I study it for 5-6 years and even then not everyone) and deliberate cognitive activity.

There is a very interesting school Schetinina. It is a pity that the nearest such location not found There would be sent without hesitation!

there???? here is an example of advertising and pripudrivania brain.
There is not generally, there is a barracks.
I was not talking hearsay, I was there, and I know of graduates and it's an old story.
There is a cult of one personality. And even if in this case disclose any ability (fact, seen) that is completely pressure independent. Next, people either run out, or for life become accustomed to the fact that everything needs an external command.
As well thrive on such things as the ban on personal friendships, which people continuously mixed between the rooms where they live and many different charms.
Except that I've been inside this thing with one of my friends visits (by the way it was right after the fire, when they rebuilt again, and the fire, i.e., arson, certainly not too out of the blue happens), I also had a chance to listen and hear all of the above 4 minium reliable sources, including people who studied there.
So the need to filter not verified the information carefully.

For me, kindergarten was a big psychological trauma. There is the buried root of bitterness in the state system and social phobia in the end.
If my child decides not to go to kindergarten I will support him, be with him. With the school about the same but a bit more complicated. And yet, according to one of the Sens, on such places as schools, shows that geopathic radiation.

Michael_are we talking about the same school..? There I certainly was not, all the information only from the Internet, I had a very positive attitude towards this school, but after your words I do not know what to think It seemed to me that there just developing in children independence, desire to cognize the surrounding world, and vzaemodia too...

Vladimir, Mikhail,
and in Russia it is actively practiced? I'm asking regarding the campaign of the children in the kindergartens and schools.
as a child gets education? private Tutors? after all, not every parent is capable of teaching the child what is necessary for a basic level of development. in addition, it is probably very expensive...

Smart parents - Yes, often practiced. It's very cheap. Does not worth it. Because tutoring is not a replacement. An adequate substitute is the normal communication and contact with parents.
Repetitory can be replaced only by specific rare items.
In one example, when the child of our friends was injured in the first grade and kept to himself, they actually withdrew from school and left to nature to live... no one touched any claims to it was not. He perfectly passed all the exams as an external student and enrolled already on their own in College, technical, strong. It's his choice on interest.
So all this time he taught himself, with an interest in the world around them. The task of parents was that interest to awaken and give him the opportunity to get the information (books, textbooks, etc.).
The parents of this child are low fin. plan, but it was not a problem. Superior total contact with the child and not the special Tutors.
It should be understood that every child is an individual. For example the other son in this way is not passed, and for several years studied in school, but not first class and not to the last.
Naturally you need to understand that now in many countries and in Russia in particular, tightening the nuts in this regard and to do everything legally, ie carefully. Now up to criminal liability for failure to provide schooling for the children.
It does not prohibit home schooling, but only imposes the duty of all legal issue. (external for example).
In reality, such laws are designed to keep the society under the strict control of the SOC. programs for generation of the required format of the person.
For example in Israel recently, as far as I know, introduced mandatory kindergarten with 3.5 years (read the news about a month ago).
In Germany home schooling is generally banned and the reason is it fear of social formation different from the total population of groups of people. and so on.

I have many friends whose children are educated at home. Across the country they are negligible. I just have a circle of friends. Naturally, all these children are very intelligent and socially adapted better than many adults (not kidding).<

Тяфа wrote:Michael_are we talking about the same school..? There I certainly was not, all the information only from the Internet, I had a very positive attitude towards this school, but after your words I do not know what to think It seemed to me that there just developing in children independence, desire to cognize the surrounding world, and vzaemodia too...

Yes. It was about this. You the information internernet believe? and I believe the people and their own eyes.
By the way, the level of education there is so-so.
Methods of work with immersion in one subject not by detinunam invented at all. The meaning of it is that bad beat for 40-45 minutes or even a couple of education. Need something to do, and then fully switch. And it is good to do in different team with different depth of knowledge of the subject. So it can be at home to practice (especially if the children more than the 1st) or in private schools, this also applies, and so on.
But otherwise in my opinion it is a horrible place.
Michal Petrovic his own mind a tough leader, completely not thinking about others. Frankly do not know whom exactly he was thinking.
Don't understand.
And apparently according to some specific areas - where Yes, everything looks nice. I'm in the movie, and saw with my own eyes, after the fire, in a reconstructed building girls painted wall without the sketch - collective consciousness. But when in other places it is not even an army, but worse, I for the breaking of children's lives ... in short, it is good that I am a peaceful, good for him.
Offer this to close the topic, do not like to remember that.
Of course there are positive aspects and you can learn from. But for this, no go there no need to drag anyone out. You just need to understand what it's for moments. And look around.
Huh?

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Михаил_ wrote:In one example, when the child of our friends was injured in the first grade and kept to himself, they actually withdrew from school and left to nature to live... no one touched any claims to it was not.

I understand that parents in this situation do not work. in any case, one should definitely be near the baby most of the time, and so approximately the first ten years (at least). how does it go? for example, the mother, by profession a doctor, who all this time sat at home, wants to go back to work (she likes to be a doctor, it's her vocation), what is she doing with the child?

Children whose parents (both) are constantly working don't think are discussed at all. My understanding is abandoned children.
There is always the opportunity to find a flexible solution for any calling parents.
In the above example, the parents work part time. Just in a creative field. Bards - go on tours, hold seminars for different parents and kids are doing (daddy) landscaped professionally), teaching music at school (mom at the moment) and so on.
This does not prevent them to feel free, and they 5ро and in the history mentioned only the older two.
Undoubtedly I have other examples where one parent is constantly working and my mom takes a break until children reach secondary school age (where they become self-serious, especially considering that children with such independent development already from the first years of life in a very meaningful way).
By the way non-violent independence is a great thing.
This is when the child is constantly with the mother (sling, co-sleeping, prolonged breastfeeding), the parents on the one hand feel that they are free (in the context of "artificial" children who are thrown into strollers, Cribs, early weaned, etc.). Ie, in this embodiment, oddly enough, parents have more opportunities to live the same life, the child does not cause trouble and is not a burden, plus in fact, not sick at all.
And then, the child receives the "fed up" parental attention and affection he "gets off" and is looking for autonomy within the framework of his personal development. It is interesting. That is completely different than when parents force him to be alone with the hard world, and before that forever deprive their attention (these strollers-cots).
Ie the level of development, perception of the world and other terms is equal for children.
In General I wrote a lot on this topic on your forum and I will once again repeat itself.
As I said, there are quite a number of thematic groups in LiveJournal for example, where the parents hang out in the subject.
There is a wonderful magazine "Home child" and a lot more.<

Michael_
Well, you see, Misha, what different information we have. In any case, you know both points of view and be sure to include the head, because the stakes are high

You know, it is better the eyes to see. For example, where those children are.
And better to start before pregnancy or in its early stages (for example to visit the "magical child", if we are talking about Moscow, children's parties regularly held in the city at all times of the year, but more often in the summer and outdoors, etc.) continue this theme to adhere to.

You, as I understand it, is that young dad or future dad. And I have experience a few more will still 4ro and Junior infants and senior year through the school will end. That's not counting friends and acquaintances hold my same views. Of course I trust much more than someone's official opinion, or the opinion is formed because of the professional "features" of the teacher, for example.
There are lots of good children's educational institutions (the club), there are all sorts of a La Waldorf kindergartens and schools that is actually usually in our reality is not as often said about a certain method, how about trying to conduct there business maximum non-violent and life-razvivaya.
To address this need.
Many never catching up with this all my life. And then they wonder why the kids are screaming while the little? why are they yelling when grown up? why not listen ? (it is not stupid, listen to robots, kids personality, they certainly need to know reasonable limits, but should not listen to, and the example of the parents to take, and parents usually are planting them in childhood example of "I will lay you away" or "I'll take you to kindergarten"), and then, when older, parents begin to wonder why their children are generally ignored and bad habits have. And all this time parents wonder why the children get sick? I'm not talking about psychological causes, but the whole classical system of mass treatment of children, she creates health problems of the child.
And this on top of constantly added a lot of "innovation" seems to be useful, but in fact creepy, like diapers and other things.
The desire to think and to weigh - in here is absolutely correct. Because without this in any way. The main thing that it remained on the level of analysis only the model information of the mass plan.
because time is running out fast and fix bugs much harder than they do.
And as I wrote above - attachment parenting parents also saves a lot of time and effort. Because the child is positive, very rarely ill (and recovering extremely quickly without pills), independent and adequate. To sleep gives parents from infancy onwards, and so on. Ie the pros so much that ... but the templates is stronger.
Or as said some people on one day of the birth of one baby two years ago - "why do this to us, it will be better like everyone else." That's not only deadly for society (it must be positive serum flows from the inside the overall mass trend), but also very difficult and costly for parents because we get helpful, psychological problems, dependent and weak man, who from the school is shown working with a psychologist (and in fact, his parents).
Please forgive me that hard, but IMHO it is one of the main problems of our world, compared to where other (like ecology, crises, and wars bezrabotica) recede far into the background.<

Michael_
To summarize, what specific steps need to be taken to young parents, that was not

Михаил_ wrote: get helpful, psychological problems, dependent and weak man, who from the school is shown working with a psychologist (and in fact, his parents).

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If not difficult, to cover point by point!
I'm concerned about the education of the kid, God willing everything will be fine and will be a girl soon., so, it is now important to me.
study methods of raising children.

Mike, you are a father of four?! amazing and commendable. you have a lot to learn, in all respects

Dimas, thank you! this is a wonderful phase of life