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Post by Соловей » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:09

Here nakapila some experience to share. Only applies to psychology, no mysticism.

Usually people involved in frigotehnica hit one of two problems:

1.There is a psycho that she has worked by calling certain feelings are. For example, the technique of sugar man: You go in the sea, as you move the body under the water melts, dissolves,and you no longer feel this part of the body when the water covers your head, you dissolve, and immediately fall asleep.
There may be a problem how to stop feeling the body.

Another example of the decline in youth. You close your eyes, feel the fall backwards and land in the 20-year-old body. This psycho rejuvenation. There are problem to feel the fall.

2. Well, the second problem is the reverse: you are immersed in a trance and suddenly you start to feel something, to hear, to see...
In short all those healthy hallucinations which Schulz called autogenic discharges. Here the problem what to do with them until they poyavlyayutsya, for distracting enormously.

Why do they appear A. Patrushev have already explained repeatedly. Again, if in a certain state of consciousness, mood, well-being happened to something bright, it creates in consciousness a clear link "this state" <-> "such feelings". And if you're in this state was only once in my life, any little more or less eye-catching seems immediately bound.

For example, as a child you unfairly beat up classmates, though one of the most boleznyah strikes were in the nose. Then every time being in a state of resentment you will experience svoeobraznye impression in the nose. This reaction usually goes away if you quite often while in this state, nobody has, and tembolee on the contrary regret and consolation. In NLP such a link is called an anchor. It happens that such an anchor for all life. For example a young man during the first sexual intercourse pricked with a pin, and further to orgasm didn't come if that time sex was not stabbed.

In our case, with a light trance state usually associated with experiences of childhood. If you read carefully, somewhere it is mentioned that the children is the leading frequency of theta (synchronizes the rhythms inherent in the subconscious), and only during the transition period they are completely transferred to alpha-beta(brain rhythms, typical of wakefulness). Children prikticheski are in a light trance state - from here and overhovedet. So veroyatnosti narvitsja on memories of childhood is very large. So this memory should do. The most simple way is to ignore. It is not easy to do as to say. That would not pogatsa need to understand from where and that is. For example, when I dive into a dream\trance hallucination that occurs I'm going with a good acceleration of the head forward. Unpleasant sensation the routine expectations of a collision. Tried izmeniti impression(you will feel how to do it - how would you razvorachivat feeling), what would bringing heels forward, oops! feel I have acceleration and high speed. Drop back - in any. In side - effect swing - reaching to a certain boundary to the right begins to bear left, and Vice versa. All. This is more than enough to create a picture of a stroller. Of course the child is lying with his feet to the handle, and pull the stroller for a fast-impossible, but to push ourselves even as possible! The stroller also shake. In this case tracking the causes are not removed, but at least it managed to transform into the feeling that I smell and just shake.

Notice - the kinesthetic sense and memory is impossible to construct. And it is impossible to remember, not placing himself in such a situation or condition. It makes cysticerci memories are very difficult to work with, but extremely reliable. If you have a state of moral rise anchored to mursec the body. You will not be able to deceive themselves imagining the spine. Or you can feel them - and then moral Wake up or not. With colors, images, sounds - always possible single shot. With oshusheniye never.

But back to our problem. Often recognizing the reason for the hallucinations it cleans. For example, falling asleep in the huge basement, in a state of slumber, suddenly began to hear footsteps as someone runs the room from the other end of the hall. He opened his eyes - no one. Closed, running again. Sound gromkost increases until the source is very close to the bed. After and disappears after a short period of time all over again. Let's not rush to complain to the Ghost. Above the basement stairs, a man who lived with me had a habit of stomping his heels to escape from the stairs. That's exactly the sound collapsed into the subconscious began to come out in such nasty shape. As soon as I realized the cause of the hallucination disappeared. By the way these hallucinations in children - a common occurrence. However analiziroval its a lot easier than others...

Another option is to use your autogenic discharges, to enter into a trance. Just try to feel, there is only the memory of them should put you in a very light trance, which will allow you to call them, than you either deepen the trance, or fail in the desired state. Very reliable equipment, with the exception of you should ALREADY have experience of autogenic discharges or anchor to the desired state. That is a minus.

With the production of anchor tezhelo, I found nothing better than Pavlov's dog. Hard to catch the right condition,in the hands of the dish, the mood and pin it to the sensations. Condition or mood must be very bright and strong. If you read a couple anectdotal was pomislis and decided to put an anchor on the joy you have nothing. Joy must be sincere.

Now to the first problem. How to invoke certain feelings for actuation of same. You will also have to accept that some feelings in the moment and for the near future is simply not available. For example, the loss of the senses of the body - there's nothing you can do - if you can't consciously achieve a deep trance where that sense of course arises, "in good mind and memory" - that's all. Wait a little with this technique.

Well, some sensations are more like to develop. Again, they have really experience. Have a feeling of warmth in the stomach, put a hot water bottle. It should be the opposite feeling cold in the stomach, not smatest - some sobering effectively, it's time obosratsa ice cream. It is necessary to create a library of sensations. Do not be lazy to work for their brightness.

A good example for winter - how to nametnuti as not to feel ill. When books are recommended to cause heat, I want RosLada - in the cold challenge heat will pull better sleeping pills to sleep. In Chinese medicine it is written that Susitna qi floats on the surface of the body and under the skin. That's the feeling this protective qi can easily cause. Feeling fulfilled under the shower. Preferably in winter when the water is colder. Just take a contrasting shower - somewhere in the 5-7 shifts with the contrast raises the temperature. Only without the schlock, you should each time raskovoi to warm up the body, and also warm. After about 5 times you will feel that the temperature of heat and cold deeper than the skin does not penetrate. This feeling need to remember. However on the same day to use it will not work after these workouts, the body on the same day does not freeze... At the level of psycho-physical you exercise capillary system temperatury stimulus, and after this protective system includes causing a sensation.
AddIf you overdo it with the number of shifts of temperature You will get to feeling the tightening of the skin(Remember! Useful in the fight against wrinkles), which after transformirovalsya in tingling. This is that feeling even more valuable. At norbekova it is an exercise to rejuvenate the\regeneration - there just called then cold, then fever and! tingling. Now You know where this feeling is to take.
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Sometimes feelings have to vyrabatyvat very stupid way, for example the sensation of falling back down from the psycho back to youth, vyrobatyvaetsya literally fall back. To practice either on beds or on mats. If the mats don't forget prijimat your chin to your chest.

If you have questions - ask, if you know - answer. Comments and criticism is welcomed.
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Post by Соловей » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:41

This topic is generally someone besides me needed? Anyone drips in the same direction the psyche, or should I close the topic, and not to wear out the keyboard?

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Post by Юрий555 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 14:21

Соловей wrote:is This topic even somebody besides me needed?
Need. Very interesting to learn something from the experience really practicing (even if you have nothing to say on the subject).
Соловей wrote:Anyone drips in the same direction the psyche
So deeply - no.
Соловей wrote:or should I close the topic, and not to wear out the keyboard?
Fraying! ))
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Re: Kineticheskie feeling in psychopractice. Autorizzati.

Post by рыжая » Fri Feb 11, 2011 14:45

Соловей wrote: 2. Well, the second problem is the reverse: you are immersed in a trance and suddenly you start to feel something, to hear, to see...
In short all those healthy hallucinations which Schultz called authorizedly. Here the problem what to do with them until they poyavlyayutsya, for distracting enormously.

Why do they appear A. Patrushev have already explained repeatedly. Again, if in a certain state of consciousness, mood, well-being happened to something bright, it creates in consciousness a clear link "this state" <-> "such feelings". And if you're in this state was only once in my life, any little more or less eye-catching seems immediately bound.
Notice - kineticheskie sensation and memory is impossible to construct. And it is impossible to remember, not placing himself in such a situation or condition. It makes cysticerci memories are very difficult to work with, but extremely reliable. If you have a condition moralnoj rise anchored to mursec the body. You will not be able to deceive themselves imagining the spine. Or you can feel them - and then moral Wake up or not. With colors, images, sounds - always possible single shot. With oshusheniye never.
If you have questions - ask, if you know - answer. Comments and criticism is welcomed.
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Hello, Nightingale. A very interesting article. Can I ask: you have a goal or are interested in the process of practice? You can link to Andrei Patrushev, where he writes about autoritratti. Possible description what autorizzati. Do all people are prone to do, or are there any features of the nervous system? How to deepen the trance? How to maintain awareness during a trance and to manage them?
If you are interested in this topic, you get a sensible book about the TRANS. Trance by the man himself, deepening and management. And I like that, all she eksperementiruyu.

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Post by рыжая » Fri Feb 11, 2011 14:46

ЮРА5 wrote:
Соловей wrote:is This topic even somebody besides me needed?
Need. Very interesting to learn something from the experience really practicing person.
Соловей wrote:Anyone drips in the same direction the psyche
So deeply - no.
Соловей wrote:or should I close the topic, and not to wear out the keyboard?
Fraying! ))
I also dig deep, it is nice to know you are not alone in the Universe. To wear definitely.
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Post by Маг.нет » Fri Feb 11, 2011 15:27

A useful topic. Studying...


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Post by Соловей » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:38

ЮРА5-s,Red,MAG.no- Thanks for the feedback and support.
learn something from the experience of actually practicing human
There is not only my experience(I don't want to exaggerate it, and the merits of some authors cannot be left aside). I started somewhere twenty years ago as a boy. Thrown, addicted to others, and again vozrastala. Really, my experience does not matter. There are people for half a year, can overtake a man with 100 years of experience. Your experience is most important to You. Here all are equal.

People are interested in reading, try to practice these or other techniques. Here are just a number of books over the past twenty years Odnoralov several orders of magnitude. There are translations which was unthinkable before, but beyond the sea, frankly, disgusting books them and not notice. Not that people come to tezhi rake is not correct read the books now because of the abundance of literature there is not even time to stop and think about what went wrong.

In one of my first books I read indicou the tale of the stork. It was told that when the stork drinking from a saucer of water with milk, he drinks only milk. My goal aktsentiroval attention to "milk" common to many psycho-practices. At the same time to give a mood of caution, with which You will be able to get around the problems that I have not even touched upon, or about which I don't have a clue.
you have a goal or are interested in the process of practice?
Probably just can't live without it...
you Can link to Andrei Patrushev, where he writes about autogenic discharges.
He often strahil part of autogenic discharges, referring to them as "personal trance history." All topics find. Here is one:http://www.mindmachine.ru/viewtopic.php?t=2181 paragraph 13 :)
Can a more complete description of what is autogenic discharges. Do all people are prone to do, or are there any features of the nervous system?
They were first described by Dr. Schultz, when confronted with them in auto-training(self-hypnosis). This is a healthy hallucinations. Can be visual, auditory or feelings, smells, tastes. In principle, this is enough to understand what it is.

In principle, common to all people, but not necessarily appear at all. On account of the characteristics of the nervous system - Yes and no. Autogenic discharges depend more on human experience, but there are rare exceptions. For example Vladimi Levi described the case when the guy when practicing self-hypnosis opened a small feature - if he has to cause some clicking in the ears, it appears the thrill of flying in the abyss, and then he fell into a deep sound sleep without dreams. This is his feature. Why? You can find a lot of explanation, but the truth is no.
How can you deepen the trance? If you are interested in this topic, you get a sensible book about the TRANS.
Across books, though they mostly write like itself, and other programming. But there are about this:
1. R. Breg Hypnosis. Tutorial. - Primeval antiquity, but how clearly and concisely written! At the end of the book mentions about the sequel - "the Mental guidance of hypnosis", just ignore - sense from it a little. Some of the techniques of hypnosis already when tough approach will not work. Suggestion and anti suggestion go hand-in-hand. TRANS will bring, but can not use it already on these techniques have immunity. An experienced hypnotist will. Part of the book you can just flick through ... techniques psychics are no use to us.
2. Sergei Gorin. Have you tried hypnosis. is the direction of Eric Milton, it, unlike my direction, used a lot of verbal suggestion, with a very wide set of sophisticated techniques. Written in accessible language with a fair amount of humor.
Маг.нет wrote:the Nightingale wrote(a):
Eric Milton
Is a baseball player from Minnesota?
...psychotherapist Milton Erickson.
:oops: :lol:
These two books are more than enough. To read more, it makes no sense.

About the General concept of trance and its characteristics it is better to read the second book. In General, the TRANS can argue ad infinitum with no result. It is better not to learn and use.

About deepening the trance. Classically, the way in evoking sensations of total relaxation, warmth, heaviness, heat in the stomach and solar plexus, cold forehead. In the books mentioned above is called suggestions. It is possible to say, create a visual picture. Somewhere it was mentioned that yoga prefer to call kineticheskie feelings directly, which I recommend, if master, failures will not be. Another approach is to simply deeply relax and then these will come oshushenie for yourself. The relaxation of facial muscles is harder than the body - they need to pay more attention. There's a caveat, there is a direct correlation between brain activity and body tone. Therefore, it is desirable for complacency and to dampen brain activity at the same time.

Who would have known that the book about the brain rhythms of the Western researcher, there is a very useful technique - relaxation of the tongue - it stimulates alpha waves, which helps to deepen the trance and the creation of a "tunnel" into the subconscious... just East of the school often suggest to close the language at the sky... Then they would not help us.
How can you keep that awareness during the trance and to manage them?
Once, many techniques programmirovaniya themselves do not need to preserve consciousness in General - for example, a method Cue from the first book.
Each person has a limit where he can sohranjat consciousness, and which is losing. It is not static, the training it is possible to push deeper. For example Shlahter have a favorite story(he says it from first person, then third) as he got a job as a hypnotist in the circus, that he prodemonstriruet this boundary is deeper than vystupayuschego hypnotist.

Every time when you're TRANS you just barely push that boundary. Rude Association - downhill on the snow - initially, no trail at all, easy to break, but with each new descent You tread steps, where You retain consciousness. If you long to walk long steps with snow again falling asleep.
What helps: first position - better praktikovat sitting. And visualization when working with MM are not lying. The second object of attention. If it's not, the mind is likely to shut down. And at the same time attention practice(a trifle, but nice...). Classical Hatha yoga the object the attention during asanas - the body produces bodily knowledge. Us in practices such "God himself commanded" to develop it - control relaxation, at the same time a change of focus from the external world to the internal(what our body is not the inner world?) stimulate small TRANS and deepens the current. Plus bodily consciousness - facilitates self. A good exercise is to listen to the heartbeat and the pulse in different parts of the body. Attention to keep in one place hard, and if you track the pulse of the body - not so boring. Another classic object of attention - the breath, you can just schetayu to ten breaths and start again. Caveat is to follow the breath, not control. This is important when the forced breath control can narvitsja translation of breath with vegetativnoi functions on the conscious. It described Andrew Sidorskogo felts in "opening the Third power" or in "Yoga of eight circles." I almost ran, after that I have no misconceptions that I want to live or not. Want! :) The yogis there's a trick how to vyrabatyvat full breath. About it just do not write as about the obvious nonsense...

So once again, in addition to practical experience being in a trance nothing otbivaet the border. At least I have not seen other technologies.

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Post by Соловей » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:15

The first post is corrected in terms of spelling errors and there is a small addition. Fixed the word "kinesthetic" and "autogenic discharges" in the topic name.
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Post by Маг.нет » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:00

Соловей wrote:the First post is corrected in terms of spelling errors
Not necessarily:)maybe with mistakes is even more useful:)You know...
Соловей wrote:Eric Milton
Is a baseball player from Minnesota?

If you agree, a small "dilution" of the topic, willing to pay several Techniques of the therapist Milton Erickson.


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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:37

In terms of clarity and usefulness, I would add two books:
Lekorn (Le Korn) "Good force" and Heller and Steele "Monsters and magical sticks". The first practical, the second promotes understanding.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:44

Nightingale,
most likely, You are right to do all of autogenic discharges (as p. 11 and p. 13) associated with trance personal history, rather, is a phenomenon of the same order. Among them are pleasant, exciting, annoying, amazing, and there are unpleasant, painful and frightening...
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Re: Kinesthetic sensations in psychopractice. Autorizzati.

Post by рыжая » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:17

Соловей wrote: Notice - the kinesthetic sense and memory is impossible to construct. And it is impossible to remember, not placing himself in such a situation or condition. It makes cysticerci memories are very difficult to work with, but extremely reliable. If you have a state of moral rise anchored to mursec the body. You will not be able to deceive themselves imagining the spine. Or you can feel them - and then moral Wake up or not. With colors, images, sounds - always possible single shot. With sensations never.
Do never? Trance and sleep like? If you dream you are flying, say, where your body pulls the feeling of flying, because in real life, and few flies. And if the recurring dream that bothers to get into a trance, remembering the feeling of flying. So the brain is able to construct a feeling, which is conventionally called the flight. I think that as people of anchor, so you can peresekaetsya, otherwise it would not make sense. This is endlessly trying to do a lot, one of the reasons is the power over yourself and others.

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Post by рыжая » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:31

Соловей wrote:
RedI don't quite understand what You mean under the control of the TRANS.

Conscious human guidance for a particular topic, including visual, kinesthetic or auditory elements. Retention of awareness, when the dive is deeper than the surface and is for example, a number of images, quickly, and then jump out and don't remember what you just saw.

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рыжая wrote: Do never? Trance and sleep like? If you dream you are flying, say, where your body pulls the feeling of flying, because in real life, and few flies. And if the recurring dream that bothers to get into a trance, remembering the feeling of flying. So the brain is able to construct a feeling, which is conventionally called the flight.
Never. That indirectly confirms the view figure in NLP(in the second book it is).
Yes, sleep and TRANS similar to outrageous, in a trance like in a dream has its own memory and its own logic.

But the feeling of flying, it is a synthesis, simultaneous playback of multiple sensations. What? I'm gonna go on the trim that You have riding experience on a swing(single element). Or You were not thrown into the air the dad when You were little?(the same element of weightlessness). Or feeling during the voyage. The second element is a feeling of muscular ease during elation\good news. Sometimes they even say that he\she does not go a flutter. This is the second item. Weightlessness and feeling of lightness - is not flying... But I guess each bird would refute that statement - it's hard work... by the Way, because the second element of flight in a dream so attractive, because the muscular feeling of lightness always comes elation.
the Conscious guidance of a predetermined topic, including visual, kinesthetic or auditory elements. Retention of awareness, when the dive is deeper than the surface and is for example, a number of images, quickly, and then popping up and not remember what you just saw.
Again, not quite clear.
Stop at memory. It essentially developed the reflex(very strongly developed). But still the reflex component is present, and one of the parts reacting to what the reflex condition of consciousness. The feeling is that we have three different memory(there would be more States of consciousness - it would be more), one for wakefulness and one for sleep, one for deep trance. Although in reality the memory is only one. To connect them into one is not easy. Here Castaneda wrote that he it took 20 years. (Though he had to remember everything - we have this problem, fortunately, is not.) Same things with consciousness and logic behavior.

To join memory - you just need to regularly trying to remember a dream, TRANS. That no matter what, You remember - the memory starts to work better, that is if You can remember a dream, You can remember the sequence of characters when rendering. You can just try to remember what You did today before going to sleep. Like where does the memory of a dream\trance - but it works too. So the last option is preferable - a lot of exercises all the time is not enough, and there is not enough help to optimize the time to summarize the day, and still gives results.

There is one more exercise that do not seem logically connected with this topic directly, but help too. I their gave in another topic.

If they are to adapt for our purposes it's just trying to keep the attention on some purpose - though no matter how long you keep the attention and how well. Just during sleep supports brain activity. The object of focus can generally be transformed by a strange law sleep in something else. For example was a part of the body suddenly became a man\object\idea, You catch it and return back - That such attempts are very useful. You get experience in your sleep\the trance.

In principle, our behavioral programs are based on memory, so memory improvement should improve "mindfulness" in a trance to a certain degree.

I'm sorry that exercise on memory and awareness is very vague. In fact, exercise specifically on these areas neither tradition was not created, it always boiled down to "Go there, do not know where, bring it, don't know what." - that is to say only through practice. Well at least in India, and Castaneda offers exercises similar to those I gave(any of them can be reduced or remembering, either to the attention training). And so the necessary memory skills\ attention\ consciousness developed in the exercises the other direction. Here in the Taoist school I do the exercises in this direction is not seen, although there is a modification of the yoga of the dream... There trying to repeat the exploits of the monkey king from "journey to the West".

Yes, not worth to do some exercise at the same time, at least to master - quickly fold... Better to concentrate on a couple. If one is not given - it is not necessary to force yourself to go to another. Each exercise should develop all aspects of the TRANS at the same time at the beginning of practice, after effect differentialsa. On certain exercises to focus on when it is necessary to obtain an initial foothold. You can change the exercise from the same group for a change - but not worth all the bother. Better to hammer away at one point - it is not necessary to frequently change exercises.<

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Post by Соловей » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:05

Маг.нет wrote:If you agree a little "dilution" of the topic, willing to pay several Techniques of the therapist Milton Erickson
Thank You! Of course Yes! Especially You, with Your technical mindset. I'm sure You will explain them succinctly without too much water(as possible when touching of psychology).
Андрей Патрушев wrote:Lekorn (Le Korn) "Good force" and Heller and Steele "Monsters and magical sticks".
As for me, these books were written too in the American style - too many explanations and examples. But De gustibus non disputandum est! Thanks for Your posts, they add credibility to the subject.
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Соловей wrote: If they are to adapt for our purposes it's just trying to keep the attention on some purpose - though no matter how long you keep the attention and how well. Just during sleep supports brain activity. The object of focus can generally be transformed by a strange law sleep in something else. For example was a part of the body suddenly became a man\object\idea, You catch it and return back - That such attempts are very useful. You get experience in your sleep\the trance.
the support. You can change the exercise from the same group for a change - but not worth all the bother. Better to hammer away at one point - it is not necessary to frequently change exercises.
Hello, Nightingale. What do you mean, you catch and return back? And yet, You are so well versed in the subject, do you have no purpose? It's just amazing.

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Соловей wrote:
Маг.нет wrote:If you agree a little "dilution" of the topic, willing to pay several Techniques of the therapist Milton Erickson
Thank You! Of course Yes! Especially You, with your technical mindset. I'm sure You will explain them succinctly without too much water(as possible when touching of psychology).
Hee-hee, about a technical mind like :) .

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рыжая wrote:
Соловей wrote: ...it's just trying to keep the attention on some purpose - though no matter how long you keep the attention and how well. Just during sleep supports brain activity. The object of focus can generally be transformed by a strange law sleep in something else. For example was a part of the body suddenly became a man\object\idea, You catch it back ...
...What do you mean, you catch and return back?
As in ordinary hold the attention on any object (part of the body, the feeling, the sound of the mantra, the visual image...) in You will try to switch to something else. Vladimir Levi mentions that attention has its own rhythm - in the ideal case, You return attention to the object in this rhythm, or set the rhythm for yourself - to focus, after revokeservice, again focused...
(Dictation of rhythm - a very useful technique, it allows as a magnifying glass, to enhance Your skills - cost learn, but the concentration produced "power" approach is more valuable. So use only in the "not favorable" days, when everything is falling apart.)
So here - the same situation, just in time dreamer\trance does not care(or rather it goes away, but very tricky), and the object tries to escape through law of sleep\visualization. So as soon as You discover that the object is gone and You are focusing already on the other or just do nothing, put your attention again to the desired object.
And yet You are so well versed in the subject, do you have no purpose?
In one book it is written: "he who Knows does not speak who speaks does not know". I'm inclined to trust the source more than myself.

About the goal... They were once, as in a kaleidoscope alternated one another. Now they simply do not. And tellingly, nothing has changed...<

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Post by Малика » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:56

Good day! How timely this topic has appeared, thank you Nightingale! Started listening to the Endorphins, and then began: you hear that water somewhere flowing (running to look-of course nothing); you can hear someone walking (removes headphones-again nothing), and stuff like that - a little worn out with these problems... and here You are with these explanations. Thank you! Now I understand where the lugs...
In the future a little afraid to start listening to Hypnosis CDs, as I often spontaneously fall into a trance, out of body and fly God knows where (no, of course I can describe the place where I am, but it's every time different place) as a movie of some sort. So I cautiously look at the discs and thought before listening be sure to contact Andrew for advice. So I would be immensely grateful if you continue the theme.
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Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Tue Feb 15, 2011 15:36

Malik don't worry. With the discs all correctly. With us it begins to happen strange. When listening to the Conductor ?Healing ,Hypnosis,and other drives of the same Andrew parsley. Put on headphones and begin to swim and then the water is knocking somewhere that phone call and really nothing on fizicheskom plan to do. Is the brain so why work. The subconscious mind probably comes up with "excuses" not to allow to enter into these States. Because the observer always wants to know what you do and then you trust the subconscious .But what about control on his part? Here begins then a call then even a strong feeling of someone standing next to .Open the eyes of no one. But the feeling is there.
It's also "guests" can be "host". I brought home the parlor so soon that night, felt the two "guests". Asked to go out.
Then, when the bracelet came too suddenly "the neighbors" and even what it is ? And each new thing is. Interesting all the "guests" and "the neighbors" they want to know what is interesting strong .
A lot of what else is going on. And the dreams are interesting and the people there are wonderful(where to put the accent don't even know)
THIS IS THE NORM :?

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Post by Маг.нет » Tue Feb 15, 2011 15:55

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:water somewhere then knock the phone ringing and in fact, nothing on fizicheskom plan to do. Is the brain so why work.
Is updating and elaboration of the old anchors... that climbs "on the agenda" in some detail...


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Post by Малика » Tue Feb 15, 2011 16:04

Lily, MAG.no, thanks for the response! Yeah, tomorrow while listening to observe for themselves that will give me this information, as the brain will take her longer to make all these sounds...
But by itself the disk Endorphins listens very well on the background noise level is a constant purr happy kitty...like :)

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Post by Соловей » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:04

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:it's also "guests" can be "host". I brought home the parlor so soon that night, felt the two "guests". Asked to go out.
Then, when the bracelet came too suddenly "the neighbors" and even what it is ? And each new thing is. Interesting all the "guests" and "the neighbors" they want to know what is interesting strong .
Well... I was trying so hard to keep the subject from mysticism...
Маг.нет wrote:
ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:water somewhere then knock the phone ringing and in fact, nothing on fizicheskom plan to do. Is the brain so why work.
Is updating and elaboration of the old anchors... that climbs "on the agenda" in some detail...
-Here's a short sensible explanation for a Respected MAG.no.

One of the signs of trance exacerbation of the senses, especially of hearing(can easily hear a ticking watch from another part of the house). You just hear quiet sounds, and since you aren't used to it, consciousness is "courtesy" completes them to friends, or just strengthen.

I can not understand why ascribe to mysticism. Her look is not necessary, and it will find on his head... And even the men in white coats after You will not help. From where the desire to live in a fantasy world, with house sparrows and other creatures? - it seems that the reality is so cruel and colourful, uninteresting can not be. When the time comes, she may be, will be(I mean mystic), but like everyday life.

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Post by Малика » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:44

Thank You,Nightingale! Today listened to the Endorphins only 15 minutes and did not detract, thank you.

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Post by Маг.нет » Wed Feb 16, 2011 17:17

Соловей wrote:Well... I was trying so hard to keep the subject from mysticism...
As he wrote the classic "Tale lie, Yes in it a hint... a lesson."
In many ways, mysticism is just a personal interpretation of some events that have no other words to explain the statement with observed facts. Sometimes trivial enough to fit in a simple phrase, but it is possible, in this case, the occurrence of misunderstandings in connection with Nicolaescu and completeness of the information.
Соловей wrote:From where the desire to live in a fantasy world, with house sparrows and other creatures? - it seems that the reality is so cruel and colourful, uninteresting can not be. When the time comes, she may be, will be(I mean mystic), but like everyday life.
In childhood loved to read fairy tales. After pondering what hint I can get. Even then I concluded that the transmission through a creative depiction of some factors simply laid in a form to facilitate understanding. You can for example go on to describe the principles of one sort or another, and they can simply put in any archetype and have to work with him. So the oak in the field, the oak - duck, duck egg, the egg needle, as koshcheeva death at the end of may metaphorically describe not only the event and its details, as well as any principles available for observation, but not always accessible to direct understanding. And if just death at the end of the needle? So personally I'm not against Goblins, devils, Mermaids and other fairy tale characters, but their description I don't always understand literally...

the Reality is brutal and colorful so highly that the uninteresting can not be.
Small offtopic:)but no mystery:)joke humor from everyday life:
"the Letter.
Comrade General!
My husband, Kulikov Fedor, returned home after a week of absence and not alone but with a woman. My question is, where have you been Herod damned, he said - read the papers. I was in space. But in the Newspapers it was written only on the flight of cosmonaut Ryumin.
My husband said, "you need to be able to read between the lines". And between the lines was written that in space as well visited some microorganisms. This is something you microorganism? It's in your salary, as the microorganism...
...is not a woman, it's radistka kat. He asked me to lay them close because she can't be alone - she knows the code.
...It would be nothing, only I had already sent $ 15 for stamps to write reports in the Centre, 10 rubles because he ran out of ammo, 5 rubles to do the keys to the safe in the CIA and three rubles to bribe the President...

Sincerely, wife of a soldier."
Monologue from G. Khazanov.


Sincerely, MAG.no<

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