Visualization, or how to develop it!!?

[Новик]

Decided to create a separate topic enlightened and visualization techniques allowing her to develop!
Because I believe that is the cornerstone in the way of any Practice
From my experience: have been trying to develop this ability but in General without success, the maximum that is able to cause not clear the images and then not for long.
Also met in the course of their practice, the number of people practicing a particular method
On the question of visualization own? A clear answer has not received
Standing of materials for the Visualization can only recommend the book: "Creative visualization" http://www.theosophy.ru/lib/creative.htm

Actually there is one on the forum who actually has this skill? How to develop it? What can you recommend?

[Маг.нет]

And what You don't like the "Kit "Theta meditation" A. Patrushev? In my opinion "qualitative state".
What do You understand by the phrase "Creative visualization"? The mental construction of images? Processes? Or how that on another?


Sincerely, MAG.no

[Новик]

And what You don't like the "Kit "Theta meditation" A. Patrushev?

Hard... headache from them...Looks like not mine
And MM has not given positive results...

What do You understand by the phrase "Creative visualization"? The mental construction of images? Processes? Or how that on another?

I wrote in my post the phrase

Creative visualization

.... To the concept of Visualization I come(not sure what the right approach) purely as a tool ie, closed my eyes and clear you can see the desired picture and what is it?
It can be anything and the way some process or... what you need in this moment to me.
MAG.no
Do you speak visualization?

[Маг.нет]

.... To the concept of Visualization I come(not sure what the right approach) purely as a tool ie, closed my eyes and clear you can see the desired picture and what is it?
It can be anything and the way some process or... what you need in this moment to me.
MAG.no
Do you speak visualization?

If so, then don't even always need to close your eyes to "draw" the picture. To mentally draw a picture... I "describe" in detail, correct... It's like a painting... first an outline, then focus on the selected image, "drawing" parts of this image... it is more Convenient to do in the respective States. For example, during the meditation. Do not forget, when fixing the mental picture, the brain uses multiple modalities, not only picture but also sound, senses (feeling, smell, taste, etc.), the manifestation of other modalities (drawing attention to them), can improve the display quality of the mental picture.
...try "to remember to the smallest detail" the events marked by emotion, describe the details of this image.


Sincerely, MAG.no

[Новик]

MAG.no
What you have described it as something you have mastered? or already know how?
If mastered it is interesting!

[Маг.нет]

If mastered it is interesting!

Working with him, including in this direction. It is a skill that develops, but in my opinion does not matter, image or sound, or... and this is the hook for the elements of the catalogue (the library of) experience, but with the help of "elements" of the library and "draw" a mental picture.
In General, to learn... to learn. To "draw" it can be, knowing the elements (puzzles) to collect the "image".


Sincerely, MAG.no

[Новик]

MAG.no

In General, to learn how... need to learn

Where? what are the materials? Your way of teaching repeat or is it individual? ie only for you?

[Маг.нет]

Nothing unique. Mass methods. To start the "entrance" to the appropriate state. Attention to raise above (probably, the frequency is higher...) For the practice:

...try "to remember to the smallest detail" the events marked by emotion, describe the details of this image.

...how much detail, shapes, colors, sizes, shades, brightness, contrast, focus, "the place of the Observer", etc. associated observations (sounds, sensations, etc.). Try it when you see the image from memory to "play" with the image, moving-removing it from the Observer, making brighter-blakley, making other changes, etc.


Sincerely, MAG.no

[рыжая]

Novik, and how do You think?
Well, when you think about someone, about something? The movie that You watched? I think You should ask this question to Andrei Patrushev. Obviously You have a different system of leading, auditory or tactile, and maybe smells?

[Новик]

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Damn don't even know what to say...
Well, when I remember some sort of movie I tend to remember more dialogue than action...
Although if the plot is good or the scene Kokaya something exciting and she can remember but the details hardly...

[рыжая]

Novick, You are sure to Patrushev, he can think to advise You. I'm not talking about the wheels, rather, about books. Just different people have different leading system. You have auditory.
I unfortunately do not know effective practices for the development of visualization.

[Андрей Патрушев]

Not to be confused with the leading and representative system... Leading - with the help of which a person seeks information in the inner world. For example, you asked him how he feels about ..., but he first glanced quickly up, and then only down to the right. When rasprashivaete, it turns out that man first found a picture that is appropriate ... and then started to feel something about... And representative, let's call it main - this is a system in which people can distinguish the greatest number of details. Usually the person people well-versed in the two systems (very rarely only one), one of which in combination is still leading. To develop another system easiest method of superposition. For example, it is necessary to visualize the tree. For this we need to think about the tree and start to imagine the main representative system is not a tree, the noise of leaves, the creaking of boughs in the wind, even singing birds sitting on branches (or(and) feeling from touching the bark, smell, taste), trying to see it as clearly as possible. First it is very difficult to keep in mind a static image, therefore, better represent the dynamics (slow rotation point of rassmotreniya. perspective, etc.). In General, start with easy and then go to the visualization.
Another possible is quite substantial restrictions set by parents (it must not blame them) in the childhood: "stop dreaming", "you better listen to what you say", "stop that nonsense" (trying to share something imaginary). Sometimes it is peers who laugh and scoff at your dreams. In General, subconsciously in childhood, it was decided that visualizing (fantasizing, sword) bad, dangerous, shameful, etc....

[Наиль]

For Bronnikovo visualization evolves in the following way:
1. Before the exercises of visualization to make exercises bio-energy swap. Some of these exercises before exercise imaging is prohibited. Perhaps "suck" the energy out of my head. Main exercise "Surge". The technical language of hammering blood in the head and eyes
2. In training before trying to create a point, then a line, then the screen. It is very important to learn, clearly the desire to reveal and hide the screen. In parallel, trying to create images causing not only look well, sharp smell or taste. Lemon, ammonia, etc.
3. To further achieve the dazzling whiteness of the screen. Parallel teaching him simple images of the type of square and colors.
4. Teach the "biocomputer" of photoshomemade persons texts.
5. During the training, open the screen, occupy the person with whom you communicate then.

When the daily sessions of 30 minutes after 1-2 months open

[ЛИЛИЯ-Р]

MAG.no
What you have described it as something you have mastered? or already know how?
If mastered it is interesting!

Novik .you all can only learn to notice yourself stressing what you can do. And concentration is not particularly necessary.
write the points and you validate their sensations and images.
1.Remember the most pleasant
2.Feel it in my gut.Color .Smell.Sound.
3.Try to see the smallest details.Let's look at them longer, feeling and tasting and smelling so to say all that you have provided
4.if the paint color and the smell is not bright try as an artist with a brush to decorate.It is easier to do than to imagine how it sketches are drawn in color.
5.If the purpose of the course and the parameters of the label what you need.
6 And if it's just pleasant memories-THEN ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you not familiar with it?
But the view of structures of an object or person if you do is meant here a little more.
When you have developed the visualization you close your eyes you have the picture before my eyes I Represent the screen and expand it.release the brains navaly and may draw in the head that is drawn. This is what you wanted to know.
Only do not think out and how everything seems so be it.You can check for example on the familiar objects .in a familiar person

For example there where it is not always in a convenient place there is a picture in your head .Perhaps not even a friend or acquaintance. So it's either a response to an earlier question or tip in the future. You just need to work with her start asking yourself questions.
And skill then he will come

[рыжая]

Not to be confused with the leading and representative system... Leading - with the help of which a person seeks information in the inner world. For example, you asked him how he feels about ..., but he first glanced quickly up, and then only down to the right. When rasprashivaete, it turns out that man first found a picture that is appropriate ... and then started to feel something about... And representative, let's call it main - this is a system in which people can distinguish the greatest number of details. Usually the person people well-versed in the two systems (very rarely only one), one of which in combination is still leading. To develop another system easiest method of superposition. For example, it is necessary to visualize the tree. For this we need to think about the tree and start to imagine the main representative system is not a tree, the noise of leaves, the creaking of boughs in the wind, even singing birds sitting on branches (or(and) feeling from touching the bark, smell, taste), trying to see it as clearly as possible. First it is very difficult to keep in mind a static image, therefore, better represent the dynamics (slow rotation point of rassmotreniya. perspective, etc.). In General, start with easy and then go to the visualization.
Another possible is quite substantial restrictions set by parents (it must not blame them) in the childhood: "stop dreaming", "you better listen to what you say", "stop that nonsense" (trying to share something imaginary). Sometimes it is peers who laugh and scoff at your dreams. In General, subconsciously in childhood, it was decided that visualizing (fantasizing, sword) bad, dangerous, shameful, etc....

Andrew, here I'm confused. I can not understand what my host system. That is, one that for the inner world meets. Can you please explain how to designate. Representative all clear, with auxiliary too. But with a leading...
Thanks in advance.<

[Андрей Патрушев]

Andrew, so I'm confused. I can not understand what my host system. That is, one that for the inner world meets. Can you please explain how to designate. Representative all clear, with auxiliary too. But with a leading...
Thanks in advance.

We need someone more or less familiar with oculomotor reactions to ask for help - pozadavali difficult questions from different systems and see where the shoot eyes for a moment before moving the system. To do it yourself impossible.
There is another reference system, the one by which You determine right or wrong.

[Маг.нет]

What was the first encountered memory? The picture, sound or feeling?

It is the leading system: the inner channel, which we use as the access key to the memory. Exactly what information reaches awareness of mind. For example, I can remember your vacation and to start with awareness of the sensations of relaxation that I experienced, but the way in which these memories received into the brain initially, could be the pictures. In this case, my host system is visual and my preferred system is kinesthetic. The host system runs the same program of computer - invisible, but necessary for the operation of the computer program. It is sometimes called the input system, since it supplies material for conscious reflection. Most people have a preferred system, but it does not have to match the primary system. One and the same person can have different leading systems for different types of experiences. For example, it can use pictures in order to come into contact with painful experience, and sounds to restore an enjoyable experience.

Sometimes the person may not be able to introduce one of the representative systems in the mind. For example, some people say they don't see any internal pictures. Although this is true for them, it really is impossible, otherwise they would be unable to recognize people or describe any items. They just don't realize that see the inner vision.

Sincerely, MAG.no

[Маг.нет]

the Wealth and scope of our thoughts depends on our ability to establish relationships and to move from one way of thinking to another. So if my lead system is auditory and my preferred system - visual, I will mainly remember a person by the sound of his voice, and then think about it in pictures. That's what I get feelings about this man.

So we get information in a single channel of perception, but representerer it in another channel. Sounds can conjure up visual memories or abstract visual images. We're talking about the colour tone of the music, the warm sounds of screaming colors. Simultaneous and unconscious communication between the channels of perception is called synesthesia. How a person enters their preferred representational system, it is often the most sustainable pattern typical of synesthesia.

Synesthesia occurs automatically. Sometimes we have a desire to deliberately establish connections between the internal channels of perception, for example, in order to obtain access to the representative system that we have not realized. Suppose a person has difficulty with visualization. First, you can ask him to come back to a happy pleasant experience, perhaps to the time which he spent at sea. Ask him to hear the sound of the sea inside, and the sound of any conversation that could have happened then. Continuing to listen to these sounds, it can switch to feelings of weak wind blown on his face, the sun warming his shoulders, and sand Packed between his toes. Here already half a step to see the sand under your feet or see the sun in the sky. This application technique can recover the entire memory: images, sounds and sensations.

Sincerely, MAG.no

[Наиль]

Ways different a lot shorter and a little longer.
BUT!
1-3 months of working with theory or without, any to avoid

[Маг.нет]

Ways a lot of different, shorter and a little longer.

...and "slightly longer" is, in my opinion more useful...
Oh, and before equipment to examine of course is with the "basis" to work, books corresponding to the "to read" (which is simply read, not necessarily "first-time" full-fledged studying, if the author himself understands what it was about, he where to "lead", and after you can do a deep study of the issue...).


Sincerely, MAG.no

[Андрей Патрушев]

Powerful ability to visualize with the disordered "tonal", in my opinion, very dangerous...
The ancient Greeks said, "See then believe"...

[Маг.нет]

Powerful ability to visualize with the disordered "tonal", in my opinion, very dangerous...

Then, too, not only to visualization, but also to other ways of wording (in other representational systems) is also true. "Before to think - think!", is the motto of one of the participants of the Forum.

the ancient Greeks said, "See then believe"...

Used to think similar (to My eyes witnesses is not necessary), at the moment the revised position (never say Never). I.e. "some" States it is difficult to determine that it is still a reflection of reality or reality is "constructed" by my imagination. The world to me exactly is what I represent, what powers and properties confer...


Sincerely, MAG.no

[рыжая]

Powerful ability to visualize with the disordered "tonal", in my opinion, very dangerous...
The ancient Greeks said, "See then believe"...

Can you explain what this means? The tonal is out of Castaneda?
Another question.
For example, if people wanted to be a doctor, but did not become, and at night he dreams that he is a doctor treats patients or doing surgery. In reality, it's very depressing that he's not a doctor, and when he dreams with such images, he has a whole day in a good mood.
The question is, what part of man decided that he needed to design such dreams? Maybe there is some explanation for this. in addition to the compensation?

[Михаил_]

can. at night I often see what happens to me in a parallel reality, where everything is a little differently arranged. And judging by the multiple information, this is not just me.
Cocoon - General... in some way. On the RF levels at least. Ie, what is happening there and live there really is one consciousness. Well, I know it's hard to accept and understand. And usually conscious perception not in a dream leads either to supersedan or in a mental hospital, which is much more likely.
Just take as an option (not as a dogma), that it might look at a different
(recommended movie to watching Fringe series, there are many things to strange was shown, I don't know what to think about the screenplay, although many of course made purely for entertainment).

[рыжая]

Michael, about the psychiatric hospital, You're probably right... What can I do? Give up the dream of becoming a doctor impossible, is the most important part of man, to become a doctor - it is impossible, for example, to operate people need the fingers And the person they are not. Mission impossible.So the only psychiatric hospital or Pepa or sleep all the time?

But what You see in dreams and I understand this is a look at the other You is in what sense? A parallel reality, past incarnations? How do You treat those your dreams?