Your opinion about bottled water in plastic?

Штиль · Post by **Штиль** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 14:01

How far do You think harms the water and spill it in plastic containers?
I buy bottled water in plastic - Senezhskaya, Arkhyz, Piligrimm.
I read in the press the different views - some scientists say they say everything is OK, some have suggested the plastic in water it produces stuff every.
That, in my opinion, Australia has even banned the sale of water in plastic.
Who that understands the subject?

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 14:10

Calm
I can only say that the "Aqua Minerale" Aquaforum the only filtered water tested which leaves no scale in the kettle on nagrevaniya elements throughout the service life of the kettle!

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 14:43

Plastic plastic - hatred.

Polycarbonates are quite eco-friendly and PVC - deadly...

And to distinguish them by eye specialist almost impossible (only through trial by fire).

Штиль · Post by **Штиль** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 21:11

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Plastic plastic - hatred. Polycarbonates are quite eco-friendly and PVC - deadly...
And to distinguish them by eye specialist almost impossible (only through trial by fire).

I think that is not fake and the original water poured into the polycarbonates, it is unlikely that anyone will be allowed to pour in PVC.
here "Palenque" can shed anywhere.
Ie, if you figure that the bottle is bad, then with high probability we can say that the water is not the same as stated on the label )
How to check a fire? It is possible for example to take a bottle in the supermarket, check out, and then if everything is OK - a packet or two to grab

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 0:57

Calm
If you buy in good shops, a good water test does not need anything! Aqua Minerale and similar brands have the original packaging(bottles), and it makes no sense to forge such containers, because of economic inexpediency! Still, not every company, even if I get the order for such container will be to produce it, since these actions are punishable, and profit kopeeshnaya. Reputable company, such as PepsiCo, to protect their brands very seriously, a fake will not work!
And to forge the water in Balasko(5L) wash generally the case is economically disadvantageous. Buy famous brand and everything will be OK!
In General, branded shops selling branded water is the key to the quality of water, if we talk about fake/nepodalku. And the original as You'll be able to test their taste buds and after a chemical or biological examination in the laboratory, there are now not enough. But I don't think You are so "cameroceras".
I trust the above is "Aqua Minerale" - manufactured by PepsiCo and Water "Agusha" - the production company "WIM bill Dan", however the latter need to buy only in the checked areas.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:24

Calm
"Shishkin Les" good.
Жека3000
I even tap water after aquafor scale leaves

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:36

Штиль wrote:how to check a fire?

Polycarbonates are burning after ignition, the smell is relatively pleasant.

PVC burn only in flame, the smell is very sharp.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 14:56

Dimas
I aquafor water scale leaves little! I'm talking about bottled water! For example water Chernogolovka ostavljaet an impressive layer of white lime scale after two or three weeks, a month, and the water in the kettle, on its surface act like little flakes. Still water Matroska corporate Matroskin under the brand name "HARO" at all unrealistic pollute kettle and a lot more all kinds of bad bottled water.
P. S. Shishkin the forest like the rules.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 15:02

Жека3000
At RBC this morning I watched the review of the bottled water market. In particular, experts talked about the fact that in Russia there is no good quality water manufacturers adhere to the standards of Russia, and they did quite well (to put it mildly) do not coincide with the European

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 15:18

Put Chernogolovka water in the freezer - it turned out fucking beautiful patterns...

From Shishkin forest badly swollen eyelids on the trail. day...

The norms. Senezhsky (100% spring water) and Springs in Russia are interesting.
Of course all this is nothing in comparison with the water cat. flows in the Kaluga region in a convent in Shamordino.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 15:59

Dimas
Yes, most likely so. But the company PepsiCo probably still adheres to its standards. On the bottle it is written that the quality scale of the company PepsiCo have Aqua Minerale as "1"

. Agusha(Vim bil Dan) doing, for the children, safe water at least!

And if you take water European, "Evian" so I would not say that it is something different from Aquaminerale to taste, i.e. the taste is not practical.
The main thing is in the water it is pure, no contaminants were! + Aquaphor assistant! + I haven samarajiva/defrost before drinking:)

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 16:13

Жека3000 wrote:But the company PepsiCo probably still adheres to its standards. On the bottle it is written that the quality scale of the company PepsiCo have Aqua Minerale as "1" .

Of course adheres. As well as probably Bavarian beer German malt water.

And if you take water European, "Evian" so I would not say that it is something different from Aquaminerale to taste, i.e. the taste is not practical.

So, you bought the water produced by the same technology as the Bavarian beer.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 17:18

awaken
OK! if so! Me a few years ago brought some bottled water from France, so the taste of the water is NO DIFFERENT! Just plain water! With the exception of two bottles of mint water(name not remember).
And You drank real German beer bottle? I'm a fan of beer was(until recently, now don't drink at all) so if we take the filtered malt beer German and produced in Russia by the same technology, the difference strong You feel!

Generally cliched opinion about what Russia is doing everything it sucks no longer has a place in many product categories. Now, many Russian goods(made in Russia and goods purely Russian) are not inferior to foreign! Some foreign companies producing in Russia make the products worse than the Russian company!

оуаакун wrote:Quote:
And if you take water European, "Evian" so I would not say that it is something different from Aquaminerale to taste, i.e. the taste is not practical.

So, you bought the water produced by the same technology as the Bavarian beer.

I buy one that is sold in Moscow stores

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 18:24

Жека3000 wrote:Me a few years ago brought some bottled water from France, so the taste of the water is NO DIFFERENT! Just plain water! With the exception of two bottles of mint water(name not remember).

Weird. Can not glacier melt water to be of one taste with purified dead water as PepsiCo.
Maybe that's why you and the Room did not feel...

Compared with Grasim purchased in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. Nothing to do with our no. Well, maybe with the Bavarian differently - not tried.

Generally cliched opinion about what Russia is doing everything it sucks no longer has a place in many product categories.

But one employee of the Embassy (American) said that they strongly recommend not to go to Moscow shops and nothing to buy, particularly water. For this they have their own shop on the territory of the Embassy.

We have all the products contain GMS! Even yogurt, for some reason of modified starch!

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 19:38

оуаакун wrote:Strange. Can not glacier melt water to be of one taste with purified dead water as PepsiCo.

1. I'm not saying that from France brought me a melted glacier water! I don't remember what it was called, but said that it is very good.
2. At PepsiCo, the water is not water, and artesian boreholes yet.
3. Grolsch is not German beer.

оуаакун wrote:But one employee of the Embassy (American) said that they strongly recommend not to go to Moscow shops and nothing to buy, particularly water. For this they have their own shop on the territory of the Embassy.

Americans are still steeped in GMOs! They consist of GMOs. Have the Americans back in the 60s began to experiment on people, selling GMO foods(think chicken). What Americans are eating is clearly not a healthy food. And the fact that someone komuto something is not recommended it doesn't mean anything!

By the way Macdonals in Russia one of the best if not the best.

оуаакун wrote:we Have all the products contain GMS! Even yogurt, for some reason of modified starch

Where did You get this information? You are working in the CPS or in Rostest or in a lab? why are You so careless all the products under this sign? Don't buy sausage for 150r kg And tomato ketchup by 15 p per litre and everything will be OK! Good shops, good brands!

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 20:10

Жека3000 wrote:At PepsiCo, the water is not water, and artesian boreholes yet.

Dead purified water...

Жека3000 wrote:what Americans eat is clearly not a healthy food.

This you learned from the TV about obese Americans? Have you seen a single living American? Seen as what do they eat?

Жека3000 wrote:Where did You get this information? You are working in the CPS or in Rostest or in a lab? why are You so careless all the products under this sign? Don't buy sausage for 150r kg And tomato ketchup by 15 p per litre and everything will be OK! Good shops, good brands!

And veal sausage (Samyang expensive you can buy) in your opinion does not contain modified soya and starch?

Read the composition. For example yogurt Miracle stetit modified starch.

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 20:27

оуаакун wrote:That you learned from the TV about obese Americans? Have you seen a single living American? Seen as what do they eat?

Have seen many times! And even communicated with them, but through an interpreter because mayarise for Americans is the same as Russian:) I do Not know the high status Americans, but the average preferences - fast food and peanut butter, as corny as it does not seem so. In any case, those with whom I spoke!
And You spin in circles of Americans?

оуаакун wrote:Dead purified water...

Don't be so dramatic!:) Not quite dead, water worse! Freeze/defrost and front room think it can be fixed.

оуаакун wrote:veal And sausage (Samyang expensive you can buy) in your opinion does not contain modified soya and starch?

Different manufacturers! Can what and add. You need to look "at the situation." I'm a sausage very rarely eat.Sure there are natural, non-GMO.

оуаакун wrote:Read the composition. For example yogurt Miracle stetit modified starch.

Read on for Danone! In General, the modified starch is not genetically modified starch.

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 20:49

Жека3000 wrote:have Seen many times! And even communicated with them, but through an interpreter because mayarise for Americans is the same as Russian I do Not know the high status Americans, but the average preferences - fast food and peanut butter, as corny as it does not seem so. In any case, those with whom I spoke!
And You spin in circles of Americans?

Well, maybe fasfud.
As I said, one of the Americans.the official, pancakes, dumplings, sausages, soup with meat and bread is very tasty, but if he ate it every day - it would have died long ago. For lunch I ate green leaves with some olive oil and washed down with 50 grams of Californian wine. And when I asked about McDonald - he said that in the US such a stir in Moscow.

Жека3000 wrote:don't be so dramatic! Not quite dead, water worse! Freeze/defrost and front room think it can be fixed.

If it is cleaned by distilled - it is generally harmful to drink, better from the tap attorney.

Жека3000 wrote:Different manufacturers! Can what and add. You need to look "at the situation." I'm a sausage very rarely eat.Sure there are natural, non-GMO.

All added. Even those who do not write. It is a cheap filler.

Жека3000 wrote:in General, the modified starch is not genetically modified starch.

And what?
Still, why in the yogurt starch to let...

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 21:34

оуаакун wrote:If it is cleaned by distilled - it is generally harmful to drink, better from the tap attorney.

Hardly a distillation. Filters normal likely.

оуаакун wrote:All added. Even those who do not write. It is a cheap filler.

This is just Your assumption, nothing confirmed!

оуаакун wrote:what?
Still, why in the yogurt starch to let

Just modified, when the starch make the syrup. Added for the right consistency. In America the same rake!
You should not think that in Russia everything is bad, but in America life is a fairy tale!

оуаакун · Post by **оуаакун** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 22:14

Жека3000 wrote:This is just Your assumption, nothing confirmed!

But the soy has definitely genetically modified.
Add how! And much more added. And as a result, swelling, palpitations, high blood pressure, weakness -- no more confirmations are required.

Штиль · Post by **Штиль** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 22:21

About what here dispute goes =) I would like to know the opinion of allocated plastic in the water any music gut chemical compounds, but then as it usually happens, the topic has gone astray and is a completely different discussion

PS - if you touch a dispute going on between the housing and Arakonam, my opinion on the side of Oakway more. I worked in the foreign Ministry one time, so I know the differences firsthand. The same product for Europe and for countries of the 3rd world (Russia eurograde among them) usually completely different in content even if the label on the eye not otlichish first time.
A powerful Western lobby, given the korumpirovannosti our officials can push our market anything in any way, if you need making, without advertising, correction laws, THE building codes, etc.
For example, take the notorious "Bush's Legs" - I think at least one pumped with chemicals boiler was sold on the territory of the USA?
Well, in fact buying almost all trademarkof is by leaps and bounds - the main thing that the brand was recognizable by Russians, ie the label were old and the stuffing is long gone. All of the old Soviet tobacco brands purchased by European companies, beer market, 85% purchased by Europe-America. So what for to Russians as much as possible "and communicated without problems" for a bottle of Klin alert uncle John, co-owner and treydmarka and the company.

And Aqua do not like dead water (the label says water from the Central water supply sources) - filtered and added artificially by minerals, salt etc to taste.

I love to take natural

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 22:28

оуаакун wrote:But the soy has definitely genetically modified.
Add how! And much more added. And as a result, swelling, palpitations, high blood pressure, weakness -- no more confirmations are required.

Well, if You so decided

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 22:41

Штиль wrote:And Aqua do not like dead water (the label says water from the Central water supply sources) - filtered and added artificially by minerals, salt etc to taste.

The fact that I now hold in my hand a bottle Akvaminerale reprint verbatim:

"AQUA Minerale"(r) DRINKING WATER non-CARBONATED PURIFIED ARTESIAN DRINKING CATEGORY of the GROUP of COMPANIES "PEPSI-COLA" Source disinfection: ozonation, UV treatment. Manufacturer Of "PepsiCo Holdings". Boreholes yet № 1, 2, 3, 6. (141580, Russia, Moscow region, Solnechnogorskiy R-n, territory of free economic zone "Sherrizon", строение1. bodies (495)797-61-00)

So not so Dead, of course not from the source of "Holy great Martyr outdoor swimming pool" but still natural!

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 22:52

Штиль wrote:Well, in fact buying almost all trademarkof is by leaps and bounds - the main thing that the brand was recognizable by Russians, ie the label were old and the stuffing is long gone. All of the old Soviet tobacco brands purchased by European companies, beer market, 85% purchased by Europe-America. So what for to Russians as much as possible "and communicated without problems" for a bottle of Klin alert uncle John, co-owner and treydmarka and the company.

It is a known fact! But these plants/brands just won! The quality has only increased.
Of course, now You probably say that it is not that now it's not a chocolate/cigarette/beer/candy, and the solid HIMSA or GMOs, etc. If so then I disagree with You!

It's not so bad! In some categories of goods remained the attitude to Russia as "take me all will eat" but not all! Guarantee of quality - not to rush on the cheap! Who consumed "Bush legs"? Those who are for legs paid 30-50-70 R. per kg! Buy chilled chickens Russian poultry farms and at least support technoprobe! Of course among the Russian manufacturer is dishonest, there is need to choose "feelings".

Now in General illiquid takes place in Russia, and in Russia only in the corruption chain, but not everything is now working and honest becomes more and more. Consumers vote ruble.
Although again, this is all true for large cities and for the province, likely all is not so rosy for the province, can not say anything

Жека3000 · Post by **Жека3000** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 23:19

And in General about any differences of consumer goods for Europe/USA/Russia/ we can talk? Russia now hosts on its territory a bunch of factories owned by foreign companies. In the world of consumer goods is now EVERYWHERE molded "in haste" i.e., essences, concentrates, etc. and all these ingredients "are poured from one barrel". And defective products do mostly "on the ground" for the local population, where along there are also quite high-quality goods, and the consumer in turn chooses "what to eat". Take for example the auto industry! After all, in Russia and in Europe and everywhere cars are made from the same components, maybe there is a difference in the field of production only. After all in Russia not driven a car with EURO2 norms while in Europe the same grade produced according to the standard EURO5, right? This is for "the poor" come up with all sorts of Logans, etc.
The build quality is not going to discuss because it depends on other factors.
Also, Coca Cola! Do you think that the USA concentrate for more natural/harmless than it is for Russia? Or maybe plicitly gas there fragrant? No! All the same! And everywhere and in everything! Or take Beer Paulaner or Libanais! In Russia and in Germany! I think that same thing! Beer Edelweiss(Austria) the transfer of production to Russia, probably spoiled, but maybe not(not drinking after the start of production in Russia, Austrian liked), but the price was 40% cheaper!
Well, etc.
And as elsewhere in the world, in Russia there are premium products that are produced "on conscience" they have a different price but for the quality you have to pay a little money!