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Good day, ladies and gentlemen.
Read-flipped-looked through the forum, did some digging on the Net and decided to write...
I must say that the idea of audiovisual stimulation I REALLY LIKE it, so please accept me as a supporter, not as an adversary. Et first.

Second, and equally important. On Your forum there were quite competent people who have experienced all by yourself. That's why asking You.

Now, in fact. I am a "techie". Tell me pliz, is that black box with svetodiodnye on the panel is something more powerful than the Core 2 Duo 9500 + 4 gig RAM + Radeon 9700 + 5.1 sound well, etc.? It was designed 10 years ago... the Glasses and headphones, I agree. But "the box" reminds me of the crafts of the pioneers of radio, and stands as an average PC. If not a secret what's inside?

I think you should change the approach to not sell the "box", and the PROGRAM + good headphones + GOOD GLASSES with USB connection.
For this, I think, will pay a large number of people, because computers are at all.

Деревяха wrote:Good day, gentlemen.
Read-flipped-looked through the forum, did some digging on the Net and decided to write...
I must say that the idea of audiovisual stimulation I REALLY LIKE it, so please accept me as a supporter, not as an adversary. Et first.

Second, and equally important. On Your forum there were quite competent people who have experienced all by yourself. That's why asking You.

Now, in fact. I am a "techie". Tell me pliz, is that black box with svetodiodnye on the panel is something more powerful than the Core 2 Duo 9500 + 4 gig RAM + Radeon 9700 + 5.1 sound well, etc.? It was designed 10 years ago... the Glasses and headphones, I agree. But "the box" reminds me of the crafts of the pioneers of radio, and stands as an average PC. If not a secret what's inside?

I think you should change the approach to not sell the "box", and the PROGRAM + good headphones + GOOD GLASSES with USB connection.
For this, I think, will pay a large number of people, because computers are at all.

I too "techie", of logic, not of ethics(easier to operate in the material world than in the human), for you are with computers and technology - but do not agree.
No need to turn an excellent product into a pile of wires and settings that requires a lot of skills.
The price of the product too high, the fact, but the way you chose the wrong one. Kick better moderators, so they searched for other suppliers in China or Russia.

PS: I have no relationship to the firm-the seller.

Uh... You're on your education who will, if not a secret? The point's not CPU power. Possible and the simplest controller with DACS to use(by the way the site was a link to a video on how to assemble, though in English). And there is already a program for this under comp. Lie that perused the forum, and then stumbled on them, and on problems with them. Perwaja and the main problem points. How to connect. When using the system on-off switch which is implemented on the LPT and homemade AudioStrobe decoder(by the way not the most efficient engineering solution to use a tone probe for this), lost some of the nuances, such as the gradual increase and decrease of brightness of points in the beginning and at the end of the session, and the second modulation frequency I did not say. And if you connect with the mind, for example, use a MIDI port(which on modern computers is observed less and less, and in laptops in General often nepredusmotritelen), it encountered the lack of support in programs(also connected via LPT podderzhivaetsya only one antiquated program under DOS). From here manufacturers of prog mainly oriented to ready - to mindmachine-s, as in standard AudioStrobe decoder. Yes, and cars already sold with seseme, and some manufacturers, I'd say the highlight.
And is the result of not only what you described, but also portability + compatibility. So look in the Internet a program(can or BrainWave Generator or Neuro-Programmer[2]) and ask a friend radio Amateur solder you AudioStrobe decoder(shake the idea for some reason on the forum, I nirazu for her came across, a simple paired preemnik on 21кГц, instead of dinamikov output on the glasses, instead of the antenna input audio(left for one and right for another). In a simple implementation, the detector receiver(circuit(L+C) and detector(diode and conder), that are difficult for the best sampling frequency superheterodyne).
Good luck.

Derevyah - Nightingale

If said looked, then looked... And "lying" - as something ugly, with a stranger... did Not find anything normal, and therefore his voice. There are programs even under DOS. But it's not even funny. At best under XP, and then Vista on the way. For the advice - so much! Very sensible. Think about it, with companions and discuss it.
About "highlights" - I agree completely. Actually I was offered to sell. For development and debugging of finished sessions left, I think, and this is THE VALUABLE IN the "BOX." The filling of the cell phone, probably, will be more abruptly. By the way, points of color displays from mobile phones... - colors and brightness nemeryannom!
Through Bluetooth it all... And no wires...

Derevyah - ZHSL

Sorry, been to China more than once. The best thing they have is children. All made by hand, will not do. It's better to let the States. Expensive, but more reliable. And then I saw the laptop for 400 Gorelov (NEW!) from the recycled polystyrene with the "processor" VIA. Don't want this? But it's cheap! Think Rockefeller said, we are not so rich to buy cheap things.
About the pile wires. To carry a laptop and another box or just the laptop - what is more convenient? A bunch of wires - it is "boxes". The laptop has a "blue tooth" and "WIFI", and all this clever technology Centrino. Even without these frills, a bunch of wires are the same. But the main thing - the possibility of a laptop is incomparably Greater than the possibility of "boxes". And settings - so this is part of the possibilities! By the way, you sweat heavily in the installation of Windows? And she is far from trivial!
In addition, the circuitry circuitry of the 80s and the 2000s. What then could not even dream, now everyone for granted. Imagine the possibility of DEVELOPMENT of THIS TECHNOLOGY!

Деревяха wrote:Sorry, been to China more than once. The best thing they have is children. All made by hand, will not do.

You obviously structural logic, not business. Otherwise, you'd know that everything-including the latest complex electronics - made in China.

The Chinese can live on $ 100 a month
1. low food prices due to 4 harvests per year, and free water in the form of monsoon rains.
2 no winter clothing.
3 the Factory is not necessary to heat.
4 the Foundation wall and a half-meter factory is not needed.

in addition, the circuitry circuitry of the 80s and the 2000s. What then could not even dream, now everyone for granted. Imagine the possibility of DEVELOPMENT of THIS TECHNOLOGY!

Change on convenience...

Derevyah - ZHSL

You do it in China?
In October-November in the North, to Urumqi, and Beijing? Without winter clothing? I feel sorry for You... There is strong wind, the dust...

Don't know what type of I logician, but I know exactly what the most complicated electronics in China is only GOING to (in the case put, and the cogs spin). It is DONE in other places.
And "convenience" is like happiness - everyone has their own.

Деревяха wrote:Derevyah - ZHSL
You do it in China?
In October-November in the North, to Urumqi, and Beijing? Without winter clothing? I feel sorry for You... There is strong wind, the dust...

In India on the same latitude is nothing there. Winter clothing in Beijing are not needed.

don't know what type of I logician, but I know exactly what the most complicated electronics in China is only GOING to (in the case put, and the cogs spin). It is DONE in other places.

Distinct structural logics.

Would be a business - understand that no one will take from Europe and the USA ready to assemble products for tridevyat land in China, and then back to put into the case and tighten the bolts.

EVERYTHING is done in China right now. From beginning to end. Unscrew the computer and read the labels on the chips.

Dispute about anything.
On the case says - Intel inside. In my opinion, Intel is not going to put production in China. They are thieves. If they Boeing copied 1 to 1, and only called differently.
Memory - Samsung inc. Also not like China... AND NO ONE is GOING to ALLOW THEM TO ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES, NO one!
And to bring the chips in containers and there to stick in the Board... where is the problem? Though if You have a device with CHIPS made in China, then it's Your problem. That is the PROBLEM! By the way, Taiwan and mainland China are two big differences in terms of mentality and culture production. In Taiwan, the Communists sat in prison until recently.

India is separated by mountains from the North winds, from the South - warm ocean.
And to end the dispute about winter clothes, You as business logician, just take a trip to Beijing in November.

By the way, the words "right now" no. Spell "now"...
And what is especially bad, WE STRONGLY DEVIATED FROM the MAIN TOPIC

Sorry, I would like to remind the essence of the issue under discussion.
So, a box with svetodiodnye and outputs to the spetsochki and earphones designed for the very interesting venture, done in the last century from what it was then. It is doubtful that the stuffing box was harder stuffing a mobile phone. Therefore:
computer, like a much more modern Davis has a much large prospects of becoming Mindmachines with much greater opportunities. Considered ANY ideas in this direction...

Okay. Let's start from the beginning.
Regarding incivility "lying" would you humanitarism, I would pick a different word, and the techies rasslablyatsya impossible. The more coarse criticism, the stronger the incentive to development.
About China, nothing on them sin. The technique which they sell in the States are no worse than other countries at no extra charge brands. Here in the States there are even stores(and small to call them very hard), which sells products mainly from Asia and are very popular. Another thing is that in Russia down shit. And that is not a fact... And American manufacture... Well, there's narmalno production aimed at domestic goals, even Americans with contempt and resentment referred to as the country paper. And about the high American technology, so their love can only be from abroad, are exported do authenticated demand products. I'm Dell and HP was highly respected until he came... and now quietly hate.
And now back to our sheep from offtopic-a. Yes, the need for special boxes annoying. But what are the alternatives? Has already formed the standard AudioStroba. Pretty practical - it is possible and on CD to write down, and are only transmitted via the audio bus. Can rugatsya on the impracticality, of the backwardness of the technology, but I allow myself to recall the dictum of Newton, "Everything we have achieved, we have reached only by standing on the shoulders of giants." Anyway what do you call advanced technology does not always correspond to quality, and often low cost. For example, tube amplifiers are still alive and appreciated by music lovers...
About connect to USB anyway pedesta to do a matching device between the points and the port, and again we come to korobochke. And now the question: Why stretch when USB can do audio output?
Regarding LCD displays from mobile phones as glasses. Again been discussed on the forum the ability to connect virtual reality glasses ( Yes, by the way, about lying... Gygy ), and cited strong arguments against it. At least the price for 300 green...
And now about the computer, is a versatile device, and what to do with it, but that's not doing it. Why? At least stacks of wires is anyone annoying. Moreover, again the capacity is not as vozhno ease. Yeah, about the rational application of the operating sitema domestic vertalet runs on a 486, and not much weight... Yes, the mobile phone looks so malenke compared to existing mindmachine, but only demand it made, what is missing manmachine. In practice, even using the little laptop is not as convenient as a car(I speak from experience, if you don't believe look at the report a buyer MindPlace Sirius). Yes mindmachine need to improve, but in the wrong direction. I would on the contrary would develop takushii in the direction of add mp3 pleura to them, and so the sessions along with the music listen to the most.
If you even so has not changed in opinion - produce their own, the Chinese under the order can be any scheme in the production of throw, with schemotechnical will not help, but with programmirovanie why not.<

Nightingale tube amplifiers myself love and THEY are NOT OLD, THEY are different - there is a completely different principle of operation than in semiconductors. You're a techie! They are immortal! Especially if the money is there... But "the box", what lights? The Newtonian mechanics cannot explain relativistic effects. And becoming the shoulders of giants to see further.
About (ha-ha ... ) virtual reality glasses. There's no need a PICTURE, just the blinking pattern and intensity - such is the peculiar Lumiere... But the small screen of mobile phones can certainly make it glow ANY color out of a dozen million. Flashing a gradually changing color if you want. In "glasses" - choose between green and red. By the way, why are they so expensive? Huh? There are those that are most expensive like can change color, or have I misunderstood? And they cost how much? To virtual reality close. I then technically advanced (more precisely "advanced technique"), the brother on reason to nautical LEDs potsepili. They whole room Shine. You know in twilight when you turn off the light - very nice! And twilight better than in the dark. And wires are smaller, and USB "is not strained". And headphones in this case is VERY important. Because Roy NET on the subject of high-quality and expensive.
There is a limit of reasonable sufficiency. What tasks does the processor in the helicopter? Every, you know, each shell of a Tornado leads the trajectory to the autopilot processor. But his task? Why to make it complicated, if it is ENOUGH? there is NOTHING to IMPROVE! In my opinion, mindmachine the task is much more interesting and empowering is not superfluous, that on the base is impossible. Pro on the computer make the sound that you want, but "the box" - the essence of black box (literally and figuratively) - that is to say the secret. Are you comfortable with a box - go ahead!
I'm working with one man - the former head of Department of the Institute of the brain. Well, that Bekhterev founded. Do you think there are serious people? You should have seen him a sarcastic smile when he "box" looking.<

Dereviaga want a Council of business logic? Establish its own production. You have everything.

When the fasteners on headphones LEDs - will be able to conquer all the clubs. Will be positioned as entertainment, the other side will reveal itself...
Current for God's sake, make the product easy... no pile of wires

Деревяха wrote:you should have Seen him a sarcastic smile when he "box" looking.

What about sarcastic at the very idea or its implementation?
What do they say Chicks nest spondylitis on mind-machine? They have something to understand...

Guest

Scientists - the people are a motley and never have a single opinion. Science answers questions, and teaches them to ask. Especially when it comes to the unique creation of the Universe - the BRAIN. One that I know very, very skeptical. They still have the Union apparatus was a little more serious, and he says that a similar effect on the brain through a receptor system are unlikely. My passes are about resonance was peroulis - and on what frequencies? FREQUENCY is INDIVIDUAL and also dependent on the mental state at the moment. Definitely claimed that ultra-low, so-called "frequency of earthquakes" all the living are perceived as DANGER, fear, etc., and even dogs and cats can feel them, though their brain such frequency does not generate. Resonance with the brain not with it. These frequencies perceives the body! "The box", apparently, has a discrete range of the generate, and the apparatus is allowed to smoothly change frequency and feedback, monitored the blood flow in the brain (and they are then able to track the blood flow in different departments!), it was possible to find the most appropriate rhythms to soothe or excite the brain. But it's the influence second and third order. If the brain is tired, the level of melatonin is high, no zvukovyye or svetostoykimi him not to rock. To measure effectively the impact of bifurcation (branching) conditions. For example, when the solution to the dilemma "to attack" or "run away" when the animal is at a loss, you can increase the likelihood of an action, but with stable behavior, with many hours of exposure - no. Otherwise we can be driven, like cattle, in politics, in advertising, etc. You cannot be hypnotized if you do not want - the thesis is interesting. Here, too, his words - "600 Dorelov it may not negativaty! Hee-hee!". But I speak from my being. I like it and all. I pleasant these States. And the impact is really effective only on the border States. I think those who have experienced the effects of psychotropics, I understand.

ZHSL
I have enough more interesting things than the production of led headphones. The more that blinded them not me. And this thing is pleasant that with closed eyes I feel the light in his peripheral vision, very discreet. When open - see all around in the shimmering COLOUR and with a scattered attention can zasmotretsya seems to morph items, but only you brought attention to the ray - everything is in place. Only one detail differentiates me from aziopa (kin-DZA-DZA) - he Mercalli just above the ears, and I have svetodiody of the boom as headset microphones, but near the corners of the eyes so that when they are off, they are not visible.<

Dereviaga,
thank you for such a wonderful, detailed response.
Concentration of thought which is simply unprecedented for this forum.
If not a secret, what You do, what field?

Guest
One word - science. Today it is impossible to know chemistry without knowing physics and mathematics, and at a good level. And if you want something done right, do it yourself! Range of scientists, in which the spin is very wide. We have "type of the in crowd", that is. There is literally everything that you can imagine. And electronics too... All these people are exploited, that exploit your brain, often almost to the limit. Hence the interest in expanding human capabilities. This Leonardo could know everything that was known at the time. Now the flow of information may simply destroy natrenirovannosti, because in order to at least monitor the area of interest, it is necessary in the day to read one or two books or three dozen articles, of course delving into the essence, and not always in their native language.

Dereviaga,
about the impossibility to hypnotize a person against his will - that You met somewhere? where?
It would seem that swinging the nose of the pendulum is nothing like the frequency. The one affecting the brain.
From Bechtereva, like, hypnosis involved, but it is unclear where advanced. The wider public know nothing about it

Guest
The management of the person without it will mean the end of civilization. This is most terrible weapon from all that you can imagine.

Dereviaga,
that is, I can't say where You met.
This desire is So that no one could control
But the impossibility that You don't claim and don't substantiate...

Guest
Chemical agents are much more effective, and their small doses under which the psychotropic action of the drug is almost not there, make a person much more susceptible to such light and sound effects on the psyche. A person can not be advisable to do what You want. On the "border" States of the mind can only to increase the likelihood of an actionbut to say unequivocally that this exposure people will behave that way, it is impossible. POPs up the SUBCONSCIOUS, and there, mother dear! Anything! To brainwash the crowd does not work, but a particular person - you. Fundamentally you can. The brain behaves like a self-contained object. He turns to the outside world only in extreme cases. Try to talk to someone and in something to convince him, if he is not inclined even to accept it! He's currently somewhere itches and he thinks about how to scratch, and You set out the essence of the theory of gravity using the model of 11-dimensional space...
About "where you met" - where drawings of nuclear warheads...
Much more interesting the process of creating these "border" States of mind. The simplest example of awakening after sleep, especially DEEP sleep. And even such a trivial toy as a "box" can be effective, depending on the frequency.
An interesting effect of accumulation - accumulation state. Remember the "pendulum of emotions" for Levi? "What happiness to be added so much grief to prisovetuet. And Vice versa." It seems that we displace the axis of the pendulum in the direction of positive emotions, thereby changing the attitude to life and , consequently, its quality. ON A SUBCONSCIOUS LEVEL. Again, the well-known thesis - "there is nothing in consciousness that would crawl into the subconscious. And Vice versa."

Guest
Sorry, I forgot. About the pendulum nose. He can't act on the brain (while they are on the head not turned), but CAN ACT ON the PSYCHE. And maybe NOT to ACT. You Choose! Using the "box" where the frequency, to put it mildly, not optimized for You, IF you want, ADJUST to its frequency. Just because I don't like having assembled by someone and someone programmed "box". It's like that to inject the first arm with a syringe or swallowed unknown origin pills.

Деревяха wrote:About (ha-ha ... ) virtual reality glasses. There's no need a PICTURE, just the blinking pattern and intensity - such is the peculiar Lumiere... But the small screen of mobile phones can certainly make it glow ANY color out of a dozen million. Flashing a gradually changing color if you want. In "glasses" - choose between green and red. By the way, why are they so expensive? Huh? There are those that are most expensive like can change color, or have I misunderstood? And they cost how much? To virtual reality close.

Of course, the choice of half a dozen million colors cool(although vprincipe 2^16 and so the roof), but the screen has a certain refresh rate, given its physical characteristics and , mainly, by the controller, and the consequence of this desired frequency flicker, not a multiple of the frequency of the screen drawing, it will be impossible to obtain.
The diode, of course, also not perfect, but besides the meager funkcii delay and nonlinearity it does not threaten.
And the price points really bad, but given that minmachine in the category of luxury and upscale. of products, economically it can understand... But the price is still wrong.

As I understand diodes from Nosikov connected or sequentially, or Paralelo, but not through the filter?

About minmaxing and computer.I began to vaguely understand where you're going.(Although still don't see why otkaza from mind machines, always they can be improved to make a specialized computer, as, for example, routers from cisco)
But what additional opportunities do you mean?

Nightingale, you electronics to a much greater extent than I do. I myself doing other problems, but such AB-stimulation I like. As connected diodes asks, I did not make. Now looking for a VERY GOOD pair of headphones and a system of "brothers in mind" will alter or adapt for new headphones. Then you will understand HOW IT was DONE. About the headphones - any ideas, be a friend! "The small screen" is just an idea out loud. Electronics is silent, sho Charlie Chaplin - Yes or no. Probably thinks. Thank you for not laughing at the voice... we Have as it were a taboo on special conversations. It's like we're speaking different languages when mode is enabled "terminology". He doesn't understand me, I am his. Because of this "narrow circle of limited people" weren't saying. Taboo.
Now about luxury. The higher the price, the narrower (in the sense of "narrow" accent on y), the number of buyers. Maybe the buyers of that extra buzz? I have no such complexes.
Modern computer - something quite a powerful for processing audio and video, and most importantly - universal. No need to redo anything in the circuitry, the program change is enough. By the way, Patrushev-San your the disc was recorded how? Not on the computer by chance? At the Studio? What is that?
Now the MOST INTERESTING, the hidden meaning of the transition from "boxes" to my computer. feedbackit is clear that in the long term. And have a computer it is, and boxes are unlikely. FREQUENCY of INDIVIDUAL and IMPERMANENT. You need to adjust either your MACHINE or a COMPUTER for YOU. Choose. And, sorry, but I'm against specialized computers. This is the same computer on which you are surfing the Net, watch films, edit, play, etc. "External brain", more "memory".
And LEDs that change color, seems to be there... go Ahead. Waiting for

Dereviaga
Complex roskoshi have almost all of them. Expensive that expensive. And the fact that some of the people are already buying these cars for the money already puts this product in luxury. Not to say that I love this...
The headphones do not advise - I overseas and do not know that you have a good sale. Just look at the frequency response. Most importantly, what would the frequency response did not crash at 15kHz, and continued on(not talking about 20Hz, because if normal is the first option, a high probability that low-also everything will be fine). You know, I think that will help. Should know.
Yeah, you've got conversation about low frequency... Yes, they are mostly absorbed by the body and that's a pretty unpleasant way interferonbeta with the rhythms vnutrennih bodies. But in the current technology uses the phantom svoga, the beating. And vosproizvedenie low frequencies napryamuu pretty ... mm... energy-consuming and cumbersome.
Replicas Andera Paducheva out what drives it sozdoval on the computer. He also created session which can be downloaded on the machine. By the way are created and edited with special software elementarno.
So we can not say that the machine can not be adjusted by itself. Although hand on heart, I'm listening session through the machine from a computer, but I have not a programmable device. Some reverse Swazi have Photosonix InnerPulse for breathing exercises...
Point in different colors, I do not see anyway stimulation or using peripheral vision(where vprintsipe side) or closed eyes(there already let the brain itself draws).

Do I need to complete to indicate what has mindmachines, and it looks like advertising...
Somewhere on the forum pointed out the link to the open projects program of AV stimulation. You can see and if you wish to alter under the needs.