Negative effects from Mind Machine

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 14:41

Hello! More recently (about six months) trying to experiment with mind machines. What bought Inner Pulse with Color Track glasses. I use it for multiple purposes:
1) relax after a hard day
2) to Reduce the required sleep time
3) Increase the level of energy throughout the day
Accordingly, I used to relax seciu R2 or massage of the brain, for reducing the time of sleep session of theta or Delta Sleep System before sleep, to increase energy early in the day usually Endorphins or Energetic. But I can't cope with the side effects: first I need to the effect of the sessions lasted no more than 3-5 hours. In reality, they are very long (usually 2-3 days). For example, after listening to session R2 I for three days fall in a very relaxed (almost retard status),do not have any motivation to work, no desire to think in mind the weight and want to sleep. Endorphins, on the contrary pripodat me into a state of strong euphoria, where you do not want to avoid eating and sleeping,a little nauseated, want to have fun (in General as explicit affect). Massage of the brain makes me very sleepy during the day (you can sleep the whole day). In General, each session duration and the effect a lot more than I would like.
And I have a rollback a few days after the session.
For example, after the Endorphins of a state of extreme euphoria gives way to a very bad mood, irritability,lethargy, apathia, lack of appetite, pain in the joints.
And now the questions:
1) How to reduce the time step session?
2) How to reduce the effect of the session?
3) How to eliminate kickbacks?
PS Disable points and use only the audio stimulation I have tried-does not help. In Massage of the brain and the Endorphins I tried to reduce listening time, but even after 15 minutes begins very much sausage (that's an understatement).

ЖСЛ · Post by **ЖСЛ** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 15:59

Understand two things.

1. You are the master of your condition. MM - just a helper.
2. Rollback is a pendulum. The pendulum is removed by development.
3. Combine 1. and 2.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 17:41

Кисель wrote:Hello! More recently (about six months) trying to experiment with mind machines. What bought Inner Pulse with Color Track glasses. I use it for multiple purposes:
1) relax after a hard day
2) to Reduce the required sleep time
3) Increase the level of energy throughout the day
Accordingly, I used to relax seciu R2 or massage of the brain, for reducing the time of sleep session of theta or Delta Sleep System before sleep, to increase energy early in the day usually Endorphins or Energetic. But I can't cope with the side effects: first I need to the effect of the sessions lasted no more than 3-5 hours. In reality, they are very long (usually 2-3 days). For example, after listening to session R2 I for three days fall in a very relaxed (almost retard status),do not have any motivation to work, no desire to think in mind the weight and want to sleep. Endorphins, on the contrary pripodat me into a state of strong euphoria, where you do not want to avoid eating and sleeping,a little nauseated, want to have fun (in General as explicit affect). Massage of the brain makes me very sleepy during the day (you can sleep the whole day). In General, each session duration and the effect a lot more than I would like.
And I have a rollback a few days after the session.
For example, after the Endorphins a state of extreme euphoria gives way to a very bad mood, irritability,lethargy, apathia, lack of appetite, pain in the joints.
And now the questions:
1) How to reduce the time step session?
2) How to reduce the effect of the session?
3) How to eliminate kickbacks?
PS Disable points and use only the audio stimulation I have tried-does not help. In Massage of the brain and the Endorphins I tried to reduce listening time, but even after 15 minutes begins very much sausage (that's an understatement).

Everyone has a different nervous system in terms of inertia. However, at the expense of pullback You're the first to complain...
The only way to reduce the effects is to reduce the brightness and volume or(and) reduce the time for the Endorphins to 5 minutes.
Massage of the Brain - the whole program - there is time to reduce is impossible. Session r2, in my opinion, too long, and You seem to have is not relaxation, and diffuse inhibition of the cerebral cortex. Reduce the session time by half.
By the way, everything You want, is achieved through studying exclusively with the alpha sessions. Try a few weeks to deal only with the sessions of the series "r", alternating in any order, and no longer than 25 minutes.<

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 17:46

So I tried to work out. For example, listening to the endorphins every day during the week.For more unfortunately not strong enough, as the excitement increased day by day. And on the seventh day worked of the protective inhibition of the nervous system and I felt very very tired(there is a term-diffuse inhibition of the nervous system). The next day, the endorphins no effect at all is not provided. I was very tired, sleepy, could barely think, his head was heavy.But the most interesting is that this negative condition began to develop. And within a week I felt just an old wreck, such a shitty mood I have never had in my life.Then gradually leveled off.
By the way, I very long time (about 5 years of almost daily sessions)practice self-hypnosis and imagery meditation. I reach a very deep dives (when visual images are not in any way controlled by the mind and are like a separate thread, and you're just watching (something reminiscent of visual hallucinations)), so that no setbacks and side effects I have there at present.
To get started, try to resist the immersion process, and then the brain came with all sorts of trances became very pliable.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 18:46

Кисель wrote:So I tried to work out. For example, listening to the endorphins every day during the week.For more unfortunately not strong enough, as the excitement increased day by day. And on the seventh day worked of the protective inhibition of the nervous system and I felt very very tired(there is a term-diffuse inhibition of the nervous system). The next day, the endorphins no effect at all is not provided. I was very tired, sleepy, could barely think, his head was heavy.But the most interesting is that this negative condition began to develop. And within a week I felt just an old wreck, such a shitty mood I have never had in my life.Then gradually leveled off.
By the way, I very long time (about 5 years of almost daily sessions)practice self-hypnosis and imagery meditation. I reach a very deep dives (when visual images are not in any way controlled by the mind and are like a separate thread, and you're just watching (something reminiscent of visual hallucinations)), so that no setbacks and side effects I have there at present.
To get started, try to resist the immersion process, and then the brain came with all sorts of trances became very pliable.

I wonder if with max weight every day to do, how it will end?

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:23

Most likely you are right, Andrew. And I really overdid it with the stimulation that the brain goes into protective inhibition. Try to start to listen to the session on R2 for 5 minutes through the day.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22

I had that. NA I have quite inert. Therefore, the regime at least a day listening to anything while the most best option. Otherwise - full plate(.
It is correct to say here - "to each his own" and "more isn't better"!!!!

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:27

Sunday tried the session R2 after reducing the duration in half (ie it took 8 minutes) reduced the volume and brightness (but not low). But again got spilled inhibition of the CNS. Ie after the session sharply wanted to sleep, there was a lethargy and appatov. All day yesterday I was so sleepy almost fell asleep on the go. The only thing that helped, is strong coffee. And if normally he is a very strong effect, causing excitement. Yesterday he worked me very poorly. In principle, after a dose of coffee has been for some time to get the state similar to the alpha (ie, calm, focus, relaxation) but once its effect has diminished, I again felt severe fatigue.
Today I want to sleep just horror (though slept 7 hours and 20 minutes)
Can anyone have any advice how can I get the alpha state, and not the inhibition of the nervous system?

ЖСЛ · Post by **ЖСЛ** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:39

Кисель wrote:Maybe someone have any tips how can I get the alpha state, and not the inhibition of the nervous system?

To deal with them. Your schools not from MM. Want to sleep after the sessions, you should sleep. I once slept for days, when the current took the path of Purification

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:31

So I took a...I recently ran the doctors did a full examination of the body...the doctors are completely healthy. But the fact that the type of the nervous system I asthenic. I go very relaxed. In addition I am a family man and with a small child and so I go to bed I can not sleep when I want. I just for this purpose and appealed to a mind machines. And then my life becomes very intense. Sleep on weekdays, mostly for 6-7 hours, but still Wake up a couple times during the night when the baby wants to eat and starts to yell. At work one pull the whole direction. After work studying English language, and on the way to work and home to do the homework for English or reading something for self-development. Arriving home begin to engage with the child. When the child lies down to sleep, begin to clean up and wash the dishes. Go to sleep somewhere closer to 12 midnight, get up at 6.30. And everything is new. And I 2 years was not in holiday....So I now sorely lacking energy...so I turned to mind cars...But only until they not only give energy and it took away...

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:09

Кисель wrote:So I took a...I recently ran the doctors did a full examination of the body...the doctors are completely healthy. But the fact that the type of the nervous system I asthenic. I go very relaxed. In addition I am a family man and with a small child and so I go to bed I can not sleep when I want. I just for this purpose and appealed to a mind machines. And then my life becomes very intense. Sleep on weekdays, mostly for 6-7 hours, but still Wake up a couple times during the night when the baby wants to eat and starts to yell. At work one pull the whole direction. After work studying English language, and on the way to work and home to do the homework for English or reading something for self-development. Arriving home begin to engage with the child. When the child lies down to sleep, begin to clean up and wash the dishes. Go to sleep somewhere closer to 12 midnight, get up at 6.30. And everything is new. And I 2 years was not in holiday....So I now sorely lacking energy...so I turned to mind cars...But only until they not only give energy and it took away...

Since then, and we had to start...

With large debts to sleep as it should be.
Try to put the alpha session (alternating all "r") just before bedtime (no more than 15 minutes). The quality of sleep will improve and You will gradually come to the desired level.

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 17:42

Thank You, Andrew. Today I will try to listen to R2 for the night...And then I always am listening to...

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:30

Yesterday, I tried to listen before going to sleep session R2. Set the duration to half, the volume is reduced to minimum, the brightness set a little below average...Only to sleep after the session, I did not want to, although she really wanted...In the body appeared alertness, consciousness has become crystal clear...But...There is a very strong aggressive. Any statement wife infuriates me...Although in her words it was nothing. Even her appearance is annoying.
In General, I fell asleep at 3am and then after 2 sleeping pills.
If not for it I probably would not have fallen asleep...well, I'm getting some unpredictable results from R2, ie, if I listen to it morning and afternoon I spent the entire day sleepy and apathetic, and if I listen to it all night I be cheerful, but for some reason very aggressivly and irritable...

Сергей_А · Post by **Сергей_А** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 14:25

Something weird's happening. IMHO you first need to deal with their problems. I'm not a doctor, but neuroticism smells...
Another is to pay attention to what You eat. I did become calm as a tank for the last half of the year, listening to some books and lectures on psychology, business time, etc.

Tablets IMHO the last thing. I do not believe that the tired man may experience difficulty sleeping.
Perhaps You will help mind machine, but again, IMHO, you should start with yourself, with self-development.

Coming home begin to engage with the child. When the child lies down to sleep, begin to clean up and wash the dishes.

Sorry for the indelicate question, but where is the wife?

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 17:23

Psychology books I read probably 10 years. During this time he received multiple certifications in NLP and the EG. Books on self-development also read regularly. Invent on the basis of information contained in them exercises to develop specific skills. Now that develop a shaped memory. Meditate regularly. Time management has introduced into my life a year ago.
By the way recently went to a nutritionist, who designed for me a personal diet. Trouble falling asleep don't have (fall asleep for 2 minutes). In General, the problem in life, I have only two: lack of energy and a strong nicotine dependence (Smoking a pack a day and can't leave (even a day can't go without cigarettes)). Regarding neuroticism-maybe, but at work think I am very balanced and positive person.
Wife, when I'm washing dishes, washing floors, wiping dust, stroking me things.
for tomorrow, wash.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 20:26

Кисель wrote:Yesterday tried to listen before going to sleep session R2. Set the duration to half, the volume is reduced to minimum, the brightness set a little below average...Only to sleep after the session, I did not want to, although she really wanted...In the body appeared alertness, consciousness has become crystal clear...But...There is a very strong aggressive. Any statement wife infuriates me...Although in her words it was nothing. Even her appearance is annoying.
In General, I fell asleep at 3am and then after 2 sleeping pills.
If not for it I probably would not have fallen asleep...well, I'm getting some unpredictable results from R2, ie, if I listen to it morning and afternoon I spent the entire day sleepy and apathetic, and if I listen to it all night I be cheerful, but for some reason very aggressivly and irritable...

So the session is targeted and relaxation and back. You just picked the best options for my condition and got a good (claimed) results.

At night put the session without a way out in wakefulness, and in the morning carefully choose settings brightness and volume.

ЖСЛ · Post by **ЖСЛ** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 21:06

Jelly, I think you just composite brain to themselves and others.
Mind-the Machine is clearly not being...

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:22

Why composera...Just wanted to understand...And then bought a mind machine, and effects that I wanted from it has not received...So I started to ask more competent in this area people...And now the picture for me more or less out...And I found my error in using a mind machine...As it turned out for me the critical parameters were the volume and the duration of the session...i.e. if you set the volume on low and the time sesi to reduce by half, then I get exactly those effects which are intended. So I will introduce sound and light stimulation into your life. I my mind the car would sell for uselessness.
Thank you all for the answers.

Сергей_А · Post by **Сергей_А** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 16:40

You are interesting person, Jelly. Glad You got it.
And Smoking You will quit if need be

Кисель · Post by **Кисель** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 17:19

Quitting for me is quite difficult. But still have to throw, until there were health problems. Want for this purpose to hire narkologa+therapist. But there is no time to walk. As the time will certainly do.

Post by **Андрей Патрушев** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 17:45

Кисель wrote:why composera...Just wanted to understand...And then bought a mind machine, and effects that I wanted from it has not received...So I started to ask more competent in this area people...And now the picture for me more or less out...And I found my error in using a mind machine...As it turned out for me the critical parameters were the volume and the duration of the session...i.e. if you set the volume on low and the time sesi reduce in half I get exactly those effects which are intended. So I will introduce sound and light stimulation into your life. I my mind the car would sell for uselessness.
Thank you all for the answers.

Good luck Reaching and Seeking!

торк · Post by **торк** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:00

I still don't fully understand how to adjust the power of sound and light that had meaning
for me, comfortable and at min. and max.
utremana, and as desirable, more or less?

thank you all!

Гость · Post by **Гость** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:05

Кисель wrote: I his mind the car would sell for uselessness.
.

I, too, have such a desire. After three months of use - "without fanaticism", in, the buzz and the flashing device is nothing but irritation does not cause. Drives Patrushev - the embodied psycho-sadism. About an hour (!) listen to the buzz-squeaks-beating - physically HARD, minutes 15-20 would be enough "for the eyes". In General, I guess to each his own. I'd rather an extra hour of a conscious being - with a barbell in the gym will hold. No offense. IMHO.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:14

The guest who made as much as 3 months to suffer?????????
This is the REAL psycho-mazahizm....
(or willpower huge)...

And all that for a strange idea to rape the body - no question - and what for, grain....

About conscious being - it is not clear... Do the muffs and glasses unawareness became? No offense. IMHO

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