Our task was to popularize the technique of recording super slow email. brain activity, according to the Maxim of its simplifying and automating: lock single sensor on the wrist the other on the scalp, wait for turn off the red light (no GSR, normalization resistance) - and all you have are measuring the action potential of the brain))) you Want to - let functional test, load - cognitive, physical, medication, ANY... Watch the dynamics of potential, migrating data to a PC, construct a graph (software supplied), analyze, store them in a database.
In addition, the AMEA automatically compares the measured values with the standard Fokine/Ponomareva, allowing you to make instant conclusions about harmony and adequacy of your brain. the basic principle of interpretation is simple - the potential grows - so grows the activity of the brain under the sensor (forehead, crown, nape of the neck or the head). If dropping means drops the activity, there is inhibition of...
Watch what happens with the potential for significant load capacity unchanged or slightly increases resource capacity of the organism are high, stress is high. Potential sharply "rising" up - stress is low, resources in the meantime. Potential "collapses" down - resources are exhausted, stress low...
It is not invented by me - a single interpretation for all omega activity.
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Dear of ANAS-RI'm very interested in Your device.
1.If he can make the interface with a laptop or PDA, and you do not enter data into the program manually?
2. Not whether it will be cheaper if made as a console to the laptop or PDA?
3. How do You feel about the information we are interested in the products on this website (Radionica, orangenation, SP, CP, BJ,...)?
4. Do You have in the development of instruments for measuring the impact of "cocoon", at least in the "good-bad"?
Thank you!
1.If he can make the interface with a laptop or PDA, and you do not enter data into the program manually?
2. Not whether it will be cheaper if made as a console to the laptop or PDA?
3. How do You feel about the information we are interested in the products on this website (Radionica, orangenation, SP, CP, BJ,...)?
4. Do You have in the development of instruments for measuring the impact of "cocoon", at least in the "good-bad"?
Thank you!
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Vadim, the creation of the computer interface will only lead to a rise in the cost of the device of ANAS, although work in this direction is planned. Likely to be the Bluetooth transmission on Java-a smartphone application and the software in the PC.
Otnositelnosti these devices impact presented on this site - I will say this: Until I checked - I won't comment. Mindmachine and transkran do affect the human brain, and unfortunately have contraindications and individual action. I am sure that the use of such devices should not be carried out "in the blind", for monitoring the condition of the brain. That's why we created the ANAS, and because talking about her need here.
In principle, it is possible to talk about the development of the technique and technology of ANAS, together can do something to promote, we are ready.
Otnositelnosti these devices impact presented on this site - I will say this: Until I checked - I won't comment. Mindmachine and transkran do affect the human brain, and unfortunately have contraindications and individual action. I am sure that the use of such devices should not be carried out "in the blind", for monitoring the condition of the brain. That's why we created the ANAS, and because talking about her need here.
In principle, it is possible to talk about the development of the technique and technology of ANAS, together can do something to promote, we are ready.
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CSS will not be exact - requires a certified galvanic isolation module (6 kg, 18000 rubles). Possible Bluetooth and a large battery (60mA.h will eat only the Bluetooth). Well, or batteries that are constantly discharged.
Therefore, the ANAS, as it is now - a very thoughtful compromise solution, believe me. All the Analytics embedded in the firmware of the device, the data is analyzed, compared with the standard and are displayed in numeric format, and distributed as led sootvetstvuyuschego colors, all ONLINE. To PC transfer,as a rule, is not reached, this additional feature, mostly for scientists and psychologists. Accordingly, the function "alarm in an emergency situation," which was very popular in the fitness and athletes (our Customers). Operative control of the functional state of a person, usually conducted only by the pulse, and that in modern sport is not enough. We said a new word in this thread.
Therefore, the ANAS, as it is now - a very thoughtful compromise solution, believe me. All the Analytics embedded in the firmware of the device, the data is analyzed, compared with the standard and are displayed in numeric format, and distributed as led sootvetstvuyuschego colors, all ONLINE. To PC transfer,as a rule, is not reached, this additional feature, mostly for scientists and psychologists. Accordingly, the function "alarm in an emergency situation," which was very popular in the fitness and athletes (our Customers). Operative control of the functional state of a person, usually conducted only by the pulse, and that in modern sport is not enough. We said a new word in this thread.
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And is it possible to conduct recording on a removable SD card and then to read on the computer? After recording only 10 minutes (and not even last 10min), it had very little. The similarity of automotive registrars in a loop retaining information about the road. And another question: is it possible to do without a saline, irritating the skin?
And is it possible to conduct recording on a removable SD card and then to read on the computer? After recording only 10 minutes (and not even last 10min), it had very little. The similarity of automotive registrars in a loop retaining information about the road. And another question: is it possible to do without a saline, irritating the skin?
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You talk about what kind of SD card? I meant drive on the SD card is structurally built into the device, e.g. cell phone or player.АМЕА_Р wrote:the SD card can be put, it is safe
And another question. The manual says the capacity is already dangerous -- 25.0 mean 25 millivolts?
I measured with a multimeter the voltage between the point on the hand and forehead. Was from 22 to 100 millivolts, and then plus, then starts to decrease and becomes minus 100
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Vadim, You honestly multimeter measured the potential difference between the skin of the hands and forehead. These included: galvanic skin response, cardiovascular potentials, EEG, the effect of the polarization of the electrodes and other artifacts. So can not be measured, of ANAS measure ONLY vascular potentials, and the normal range they have a 7-15 mW, taking into account age and gender...
Agree that what Andrew Kabankov called here a kind of Ohmmeter
, that is, ANAS, is a complex computer with perfect measurement module and sophisticated internal software, the fruit of 30 years of work of neuroscientists and experts in manufacture of electrophysiological devices.
The method of neurogenerative (which is built of ANAS) are at least 4 patents of the Russian Federation, which allow you to isolate VASCULAR POTENTIALS that are connected with the energy activity of the brain, i.e. the level of consumption of glucose by neurons. Professional medical neuroanesthesiology NEK works in hospitals and is now 15 and 200-400 thousand rubles, and does, in General, the same as that of ANAS. In this sense the release of such adaptive device...
And if the capability level is measured with the help of ANAS exceeds 25 mV, and even more is up to 40-60 mV, this is quite a disturbing picture... Especially if this increase occurs continuously from measurement to measurement... There is already a condition of metabolic oxidative stress, that is, the brain is "suffocating" from free-radical damage. Long stay in such a state is fraught with nervous disorders, deterioration of health, decline of immunity. In General, the deteriorating quality of life and shortens its duration....
Type in Yandex "oxidative stress".... read... nasty thing
Yes, one more thing-sometimes before stroke, (sometimes for several days), in the hemisphere where the strike was observed a persistent increase in capacity up to 40-60 mV... Like there is time to take action.... Think for yourself how to use it... need it or not...<
Agree that what Andrew Kabankov called here a kind of Ohmmeter
, that is, ANAS, is a complex computer with perfect measurement module and sophisticated internal software, the fruit of 30 years of work of neuroscientists and experts in manufacture of electrophysiological devices.The method of neurogenerative (which is built of ANAS) are at least 4 patents of the Russian Federation, which allow you to isolate VASCULAR POTENTIALS that are connected with the energy activity of the brain, i.e. the level of consumption of glucose by neurons. Professional medical neuroanesthesiology NEK works in hospitals and is now 15 and 200-400 thousand rubles, and does, in General, the same as that of ANAS. In this sense the release of such adaptive device...
And if the capability level is measured with the help of ANAS exceeds 25 mV, and even more is up to 40-60 mV, this is quite a disturbing picture... Especially if this increase occurs continuously from measurement to measurement... There is already a condition of metabolic oxidative stress, that is, the brain is "suffocating" from free-radical damage. Long stay in such a state is fraught with nervous disorders, deterioration of health, decline of immunity. In General, the deteriorating quality of life and shortens its duration....
Type in Yandex "oxidative stress".... read... nasty thing
Yes, one more thing-sometimes before stroke, (sometimes for several days), in the hemisphere where the strike was observed a persistent increase in capacity up to 40-60 mV... Like there is time to take action.... Think for yourself how to use it... need it or not...<
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Well, what about "to run to the doctor".... it's all much more interesting - many of the unfavorable state of brain activity perfectly "fixed" by applying Eastern techniques, breathing exercises, relaxation, and other samoregulyacii. And ANAS well shows you that it is necessary to make owned by you, individually, in order to keep your brain in optimal or adequate to the situation condition. In addition, as with any biofeedback machine, ANAS allows you to remember your feelings in the various States and arbitrarily manage without constant monitoring device. It works, especially for yogis.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand that the change of sign of the potential on – the DMM is the effect of the polarization of the electrodes. A salt solution is desired to "kill a kozhno-galvanic reaction due to the electrode". Now I'm doing like the instructions. Rubbed vodka on the forehead, temples, crown and nape, under the electrodes(standard alligator clips Nickel plated) put moistened in a saline solution and cotton wool, measured the voltages at points and recorded. After the night shift came in tired. The multimeter 9 volt battery.
Results(in mV):
Forehead:-165; Left temple:-163; Right temple:-163; Crown:-165; Nape: -163Conducted study procedure: In the pyramid of harmony for 10 minutes, in the centre, on the chair did 4-16-8 breathing exercises 5 times each side. Spilled bucket of water. Measurements.
Results(in mV):
Forehead:-240; Left temple:-227; Right temple:-227; Crown:-218; Nape: -225
Maybe these measurements are not scientific and are mixed, but provide some food for thought...
You have not answered the question: is it possible to design ANAS add data storage on SD card up to 2 or 4 Gigabytes (in digital cameras)? In order to retrieve, insert, and read in the PC and the program did the analysis of the human condition over the selected period. Well it would have 5 sensors and mesh for electrodes.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand that the change of sign of the potential on – the DMM is the effect of the polarization of the electrodes. A salt solution is desired to "kill a kozhno-galvanic reaction due to the electrode". Now I'm doing like the instructions. Rubbed vodka on the forehead, temples, crown and nape, under the electrodes(standard alligator clips Nickel plated) put moistened in a saline solution and cotton wool, measured the voltages at points and recorded. After the night shift came in tired. The multimeter 9 volt battery.
Results(in mV):
Forehead:-165; Left temple:-163; Right temple:-163; Crown:-165; Nape: -163Conducted study procedure: In the pyramid of harmony for 10 minutes, in the centre, on the chair did 4-16-8 breathing exercises 5 times each side. Spilled bucket of water. Measurements.
Results(in mV):
Forehead:-240; Left temple:-227; Right temple:-227; Crown:-218; Nape: -225
Maybe these measurements are not scientific and are mixed, but provide some food for thought...
You have not answered the question: is it possible to design ANAS add data storage on SD card up to 2 or 4 Gigabytes (in digital cameras)? In order to retrieve, insert, and read in the PC and the program did the analysis of the human condition over the selected period. Well it would have 5 sensors and mesh for electrodes.
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Vadim, very interesting useful what You are doing, indeed, there is a result of the impact of Your exercise on the body. To seleniu, the value of the potential (hundreds of mV), is not allowed to say that You measure exactly the levels of constant potential UPP (they should be within -40 to +40 mV). As you know, leather is very rich potentials.
Tip: ANAS calculates the potential difference Head minus the Hand, however, the difference should be positive, since the brain is more active hands. Check the location of Your electrodes. By the way, do not understand, You are using silver chloride electrodes or narraweena?
Retrofit of ANAS the memory module on the SD card, but the plans of such development so far, unfortunately, no, too expensive and dreary. I assure You, the built in processor of a memory module 100 steps of measurement is quite sufficient for the assessment assessment of of the brain.
In addition, in September we'll probably have the 3rd firmware release 1.3 of ANAS, which will allow the User to program the device 10, 20, 30, 60, 120 and 180 minutes of recording time, using all those same 100 of memory cells. Just, each cell will contain the average value of potentials measured at 6, 12, 20 etc. seconds. Such a wish was expressed to us trainers marathon runners. The device itself will not change - it is the perfect flexible platform with a software update.
Full featured device running 5 sensors connected to a PC via Bluetooth, with charts, analysis, generation of Detention already exists and made us, called Neuroanesthesiology NEK-5, look at the website "Neuroenergetic" He is in another price niche and client, and to increase the functionality of ANAS to NEK-5 us inappropriate.
If You have any questions on neuroenergetic email, I would love to chat.
Tip: You measured the background as practitioners, that's right. Try to measure the potential after EACH exposure separately, because the dynamics can be different.
If You have worked with AMEA, You will be able to comment on the result of each impact, in terms of "activation/deactivation" of the brain, the "benefit/harm" and to establish which specific area of the brain most sensitive to applied stress.<
Tip: ANAS calculates the potential difference Head minus the Hand, however, the difference should be positive, since the brain is more active hands. Check the location of Your electrodes. By the way, do not understand, You are using silver chloride electrodes or narraweena?
Retrofit of ANAS the memory module on the SD card, but the plans of such development so far, unfortunately, no, too expensive and dreary. I assure You, the built in processor of a memory module 100 steps of measurement is quite sufficient for the assessment assessment of of the brain.
In addition, in September we'll probably have the 3rd firmware release 1.3 of ANAS, which will allow the User to program the device 10, 20, 30, 60, 120 and 180 minutes of recording time, using all those same 100 of memory cells. Just, each cell will contain the average value of potentials measured at 6, 12, 20 etc. seconds. Such a wish was expressed to us trainers marathon runners. The device itself will not change - it is the perfect flexible platform with a software update.
Full featured device running 5 sensors connected to a PC via Bluetooth, with charts, analysis, generation of Detention already exists and made us, called Neuroanesthesiology NEK-5, look at the website "Neuroenergetic" He is in another price niche and client, and to increase the functionality of ANAS to NEK-5 us inappropriate.
If You have any questions on neuroenergetic email, I would love to chat.
Tip: You measured the background as practitioners, that's right. Try to measure the potential after EACH exposure separately, because the dynamics can be different.
If You have worked with AMEA, You will be able to comment on the result of each impact, in terms of "activation/deactivation" of the brain, the "benefit/harm" and to establish which specific area of the brain most sensitive to applied stress.<
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I use conventional electrodes made of "steel". The black wire with the (-) of the multimeter is put on the electrode at the wrist, and the red (+) put on the point on the head. Checked the battery: red to (+), black to (-) gives a positive value of +1.5 V.АМЕА-Р wrote:tip: ANAS calculates the potential difference Head minus the Hand, however, the difference should be positive, since the brain is more active hands. Check the location of Your electrodes. By the way, do not understand, You are using silver chloride electrodes or narraweena?
Why do I have negative capability – do not understand.
I can hand actively head? First do, then think? 
And would not the attempt "to shove" all in 100ячеек to the loss of important jumps of the potentials, where everything is average not good not bad?
I would like to expert advice (sorry that is not the topic). Choose a device for electro-neuro-stimulation. Consider the options: DENAS(http://www.prodenas.ru/go.php?name=News&new_topic=4 ), The apparatus acupuncture su Jok therapy (http://www.theramax.ru/razdel/26/ ), Acupuncture device "Eastern doctor" (ibid.) BIOMEDIS(http://biomedis.ru/biomedis_treat.php), GOMEOTON (http://www.antiparazit.ru/work.htm ) and other... Please advise anything. Thank you.
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And here we are at an impasse
Electrodes made of stainless steel have a very unstable electrochemical characteristics. See for yourself; dip both electrodes connected to a multimeter in a glass with a salt solution. Watch how spontaneous electrochemical potential of stainless steel (in the mV) and its own resistance (in ohms mode). Right eletrode to register surmetingoj electrical activity should have its own draw potential within 1 mV for 1 hour. Smart of ANAS, as well as other EEG system on their own and constantly keeps a record of the resistance of the electrodes and does not permit registration of distorted data. In addition, before you place electrodes on the skin YOU need to calibrate the electrodes (test, in the terminology of the manual to the AMEA). This allows you to reset your own have potential electrochemical electrodes and maintain records with records of its magnitude.
Therefore, what you are registering negative values of potentials, should not discourage you - it's all artifacts of various etiologies
Electrodes made of stainless steel have a very unstable electrochemical characteristics. See for yourself; dip both electrodes connected to a multimeter in a glass with a salt solution. Watch how spontaneous electrochemical potential of stainless steel (in the mV) and its own resistance (in ohms mode). Right eletrode to register surmetingoj electrical activity should have its own draw potential within 1 mV for 1 hour. Smart of ANAS, as well as other EEG system on their own and constantly keeps a record of the resistance of the electrodes and does not permit registration of distorted data. In addition, before you place electrodes on the skin YOU need to calibrate the electrodes (test, in the terminology of the manual to the AMEA). This allows you to reset your own have potential electrochemical electrodes and maintain records with records of its magnitude.
Therefore, what you are registering negative values of potentials, should not discourage you - it's all artifacts of various etiologies
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About the averaging the data in the new firmware of ANAS will say this - the method of megametre, like many others, makes one measurement per minute or 2. And this is understandable - we study INFRASLOW brain activity, and a sharp jump of potential by many researchers in General are considered as artifacts and interference.
In fact, the ideology of such methods is studied primarily dynamics capability, that is, what was and what was increased or decreased, how much, and how sustainable were the changes.
Relative to the devices of electrical stimulation - will look at Your links and will tell you my opinion. Actually, I know one thing from the "prologue" (there are many) - are working with him my medical colleagues and very pleased with its functions and efficiency.
In fact, the ideology of such methods is studied primarily dynamics capability, that is, what was and what was increased or decreased, how much, and how sustainable were the changes.
Relative to the devices of electrical stimulation - will look at Your links and will tell you my opinion. Actually, I know one thing from the "prologue" (there are many) - are working with him my medical colleagues and very pleased with its functions and efficiency.
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The prologue, what was I talking about - here, in particular
http://deta.deta15.su/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=13 They treated me Smoking for a whole 2 minutes.... smoke, as if nothing had happened
We can a little? 
http://deta.deta15.su/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=13 They treated me Smoking for a whole 2 minutes.... smoke, as if nothing had happened
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Yes, You are right. The potential values all the time, "swim." Probably due to the lack of chlorine-silver electrodes. But of ANAS, as I understand it, there is a deviation and count average quadratic deviation. And, I wish he change their values within a small range. For example, trying to equalize the potentials at the temples. The influence of the observer on the observed, or is it bare?АМЕА-Р wrote:the Electrodes are made of stainless steel have a very unstable electrochemical characteristics
But still, as I tried in the morning immediately after sleep, the Results were (MV):
Forehead:-42; Left temple:-51; Right temple:-58; Crown:-50; Neck: -51
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Your potential to swim because You have in hands the multimeter and not the device
Speaking of the boss is possible only then, when You are sure that the device registers are all "correctly", and without the brain the magnitude of the potential will not change.
Tip: the right norm of interhemispheric asymmetry is 3-5 mV with a predominance in the LEFT hemisphere. This should strive for with barefoot.
Speaking of the boss is possible only then, when You are sure that the device registers are all "correctly", and without the brain the magnitude of the potential will not change.
Tip: the right norm of interhemispheric asymmetry is 3-5 mV with a predominance in the LEFT hemisphere. This should strive for with barefoot.
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After how many cigarettes of ANAS shows a deviation from the norm?АМЕА-Р wrote:smoke as if nothing had happened
CRAZY town quotes from the article Kalashnikov V. N
"It is proved that the norm of the electric skin resistance of a person in a state of relaxation increases and the activation state decreases."
But according to Ohm's Law: Current (I) = Voltage (U) / Resistance (R); U = I * R
Means: high voltage (potential) to the biologically active point (BAP) on the skin the result of a large resistance,
and the Kalashnikov is a measure of peace of mind and lack of stress. If potential BAT low, that is, the resistance decreased, the stress on the way.
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"The basic principle of interpretation is simple - the potential grows - so grows the activity of the brain under the sensor. If dropping means drops the activity, there is inhibition of... Potential "collapses" down - resources are exhausted, stress low..."
How do you explain this CONTRADICTION? You have the higher potential, a higher activity and the higher mind. Or it's the potential value? Too high and too low is bad! Though, probably, I confuse GSR and SCP and they can not be compared...
How do You feel about the EDO (energy diagnosis of the organism)? http://sujok.ru/rus/catalog/item.php3?diagorganism
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There are no contradictions at all - GSR and SCP essence potentially different origin. The potential of GSR depends entirely on electroskin resistance, and Ohm's law with the decrease of the resistance potential is really reduced. By the way, the explanation is quite simple - stress causes activation of cutaneous sweat glands, moist skin has less resistance.
A potential SCP is generated ONLY in conditions of constant skin resistance (GSR) and depends mainly on the degree of polarization of the blood vessel walls by passing them with blood with a low pH, i.e. acidic, rich in decomposition products of glucose (a kind of "exhaust" from the brain).
Thus, the higher the activity of the brain (down to the inappropriately high (stress)), the higher the measured potential of SCP.
About the device Sujok.... well... they Foll in Africa, Voll, the method is interesting, however, attempts to make it a panacea and irreplaceable method of diagnostics available to everyone, IMHO pure Commerce. I will say this - the equipment you will measure the potential of the BAT, will generate a certain conclusion, and what to do next? How can this be trusted? It is very difficult the nature of potential BAT....
A potential SCP is generated ONLY in conditions of constant skin resistance (GSR) and depends mainly on the degree of polarization of the blood vessel walls by passing them with blood with a low pH, i.e. acidic, rich in decomposition products of glucose (a kind of "exhaust" from the brain).
Thus, the higher the activity of the brain (down to the inappropriately high (stress)), the higher the measured potential of SCP.
About the device Sujok.... well... they Foll in Africa, Voll, the method is interesting, however, attempts to make it a panacea and irreplaceable method of diagnostics available to everyone, IMHO pure Commerce. I will say this - the equipment you will measure the potential of the BAT, will generate a certain conclusion, and what to do next? How can this be trusted? It is very difficult the nature of potential BAT....
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Yes I voted and I think that it would be useful to have in the office Your device and at the client's request (for a fee) to analyze the slow electroactivity of the brain before and after exposure to EII Energo-informational articles or pereiodicheski to monitor the impact the EII dynamics. And put on the forum an anonymous report indicating the presence or absence of such effects. 