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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

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Смелый wrote:Karil, I'm sorry if I offended you!Andrew, too!
"Resentment is for the weak and sick" :? Master technique NNO "and You will be happy" :)
With regard to the processing of situations through "negative thinking", then Bulanov (see above) on this subject very simply and clearly written and, most importantly, provide a concrete methodology. :ay
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I tried a lot of things. More than a dozen schools and currents. TO ME IT DIDN'T MATTER! As I think everyone else, trying to do as taught. (Except for the founders of schools and currents. All sorts of Gurus and Teachers. Not the money - energy).
And now I do not advise anyone to do as I do. Share experiences, not imposing. Interested in, suddenly I'm not alone?
And send In a E X teachers away!
I will not say anything about advisors.
Valuable only from our own experience, his experience, analysis and reflection.
Further.
Any attempt to influence the final result leads us to the IDLE state. Learning the techniques of influence - especially!
We have in mind aktiviziruyutsya area of the brain responsible for "Waiting". (The idea is not mine, taken from the distribution of website Astra-systems)/And we freeze in anticipation. What we do and at the same time waiting for something to happen. And get the exact opposite - a stay of EXECUTION. Wait, that's scary.
What can be opposed to WAITING? Personally, I am opposed to the EXPECTATION - REALIZATION.
Awareness and acceptance of the fact that everyone around me is really bad. The state is not made, the time pretty much killed the business almost is ahead is no clearance.
Strangely enough, it was calm.
Appeared the internal energy.
Where will - I do not know.
This is not good.
Good one - I REALIZED AND ACCEPTED the FACT IN WHICH REALITY (a foul) I am.
The AWARENESS of the REAL state of YOUR AFFAIRS AT the PRESENT TIME WITHOUT trying DIFFERENT MENTAL WAYS to IMPROVE IT (but quietly to work or conduct business or business), it CEASES to TORTURE YOU AND TAKE away ENERGY.
And the saved personal energy in the end, the thing is not too bad!<

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Маг.нет » Fri Nov 04, 2011 13:10

Смелый wrote:And send To s E X teachers away!
I will not say anything about advisors.
Valuable only from our own experience, his experience, analysis and reflection.
So the Teachers are different.......
Thank You Teacher! At the beginning of the first lesson, the Teacher starting the presentation of theoretical material, voiced a phrase that can be called a motto: "don't believe a single word - check practice". Ie he offered not to believe in and to him, thus creating a "buffer" - the intermediate storage of information that is allowed to include or not to include in its "picture the World", certain postulates only after verification of receipt of responses from the life, by experience, than to minimize distortion of the perceived information.
I'm WAITING oppose OPENNESS - the willingness to accept any outcome, or rather the condition, which includes several parameters: openness, relaxation, confidence, vitality and playfulness. Playfulness (an attitude to life as a game "game of life") lowers the criticality of perception, reducing energy losses on expectations.
But maybe just me it works like that....... Don't know yet thoroughly studied.


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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

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Маг.нет wrote:
Смелый wrote:And send To s E X teachers away!
I will not say anything about advisors.
Valuable only from our own experience, his experience, analysis and reflection.
So the Teachers are different.......
Thank You Teacher! At the beginning of the first lesson, the Teacher starting the presentation of theoretical material, voiced a phrase that can be called a motto: "don't believe a single word - check practice". Ie he offered not to believe in and to him, thus creating a "buffer" - the intermediate storage of information that is allowed to include or not to include in its "picture the World", certain postulates only after verification of receipt of responses from the life, by experience, than to minimize distortion of the perceived information.
I'm WAITING oppose OPENNESS - the willingness to accept any outcome, or rather the condition, which includes several parameters: openness, relaxation, confidence, vitality and playfulness. Playfulness (an attitude to life as a game "game of life") lowers the criticality of perception, reducing energy losses on expectations. But maybe only I have it running....... Don't know yet thoroughly studied.


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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Nov 04, 2011 13:36

Смелый wrote:I tried. More than a dozen schools and currents. TO ME IT DIDN'T MATTER!
I tried a lot of things. More than a dozen schools and currents. IT GAVE ME A LOT! :)
How many can remember, for me there were no authorities, but to do I've always tried exactly as written in the method, at least in the early development. :) Apparently, this was due to basic education (chemical engineer).:?
Starting to learn new techniques, I always knew that "again nothing happens". :) And he was always right. :wink: I mean, of course, not the chemistry (there's always work :ay ), and methods of self-development (deals only with the esoterics). But every time I got something useful (often not declared by the author) and fortunately, was able to notice it... :D

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Смелый » Fri Nov 04, 2011 14:56

There's a good question: "Why?" Why do we need knowledge or self-knowledge? If you decide to explore the world and you all purple, ready to live in a cave or a tent, or what is, to use what is provided - no problem. Flag in hand.
Personally, I was in the esoteric order, which would understand the problems and with new knowledge come to new victories or achievements in business. That is, esotericism - an auxiliary material for success in business.
For 10 years I'm in the business not moved, lost the extra apartments, garages, cars and had no money.
The acquired knowledge is happiness to me has not brought.
Then why I lost these years? If you are a man of business the matter only that you can apply to achieve success. Obtaining additional revenues and profits. NOW, AT THE PRESENT TIME.
Self-knowledge is probably also interesting. But it - why? Become Enlightened - Why? New knowledge or skills if they do not give practical result - why?
Everything is meaningless! Does not make sense.
Are you going to make money and understand that the pursuit of big money is meaningless. For, the more money you have, the more you realize how much money you need. Reading books and trainings, teaching at different schools, doesn't matter. Because, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know and enormous amount of unexplored and not known ahead. And you are far from the TRUTH. The very notion of truth is eroded more and more.
Then what to do and why all this?
Personally, I have ended up with. I realized their reality on the physical plane - it's bad in material terms.
Attempts to influence the situation in a positive mental plan, lead to greater collapse. Ten years of experimentation - confirmation.
Stop. Live with this reality, saturated by it.

PS for some reason (strange), began to feel mentally better.
P. P. S. And maybe we don't put no tasks to become spiritually evolved, enlightened? Maybe we were sent here just to live life for yourself, without stepping while on the other a human head? A good man is not one who does good. Kind man one who does evil. I confess that sitting in a hut or a dugout, it is difficult to keep myself from wanting to step on the head of another, especially if the other lives in the Palace. However, living in the Palace, too, there is the temptation to step on his head living in a tent, or at least paprasiet him for his inability and the ongoing way of life. And therefore it's much simpler and more prosaic?<

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Маг.нет » Fri Nov 04, 2011 15:30

Algorithms making money prescribed in the range of Svadhisthana chakra, the channel of engagement for "Calf" (Egregor of money) is in the range of manipura chakra, engaged in self-development, science, creativity, the frequency increases and the interaction may go into the high-frequency range (Anahata and above), because of this engagement with NCH channels can be weakened, changed the perception, there are other values in life, that does not prevent to take care of providing the necessary, making money, but not as an end in itself.


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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Смелый » Fri Nov 04, 2011 15:44

Chakras and money
Chakras are dormant in our body the energy centers.
Money is energy, the element that created man, which continually affects a person.
How these two aspects of human life linked?
If chakras are energy centers of the person bearing the energy of certain qualities, then money is the material equivalent of energy. In the case of chakras, and in the case of all the money in the first place is energy.
There is a required amount of energy in the chakras, there are abilities and skills, have good mood and health when energy is too much or too little "of any" distortions and problems. Small or large flow of funds also creates problems and difficulties. What can we find lots of examples. For anybody not a secret that quality of human nature and his success is linked directly. Or as the proverb says: "the Thickness of Your wallet depends on your level of development." In other words, the level of development of the chakras depends on the level of Your Blagosostoyanie. Since chakras are connected with money?

Let's start with Agni chakra, located in the region (zone) of the head. Well-developed or leading ajna manifests itself in the ability of man to count the financial scheme, to see opportunities to make money in General, clearly to see the details of the transactions and their possible consequences. On the same chakra and the ability to a comprehensive understanding of financial schemes and possible pitfalls in their implementation. People with well-developed agnoy easily see a new perspective of making money, multi-stage options the scroll of money to find the most profitable scheme of augmentation. But, unfortunately, strong with a weak ajna chakra other inactive. That is, knows all about the money, but does nothing, in order for this knowledge to implement. Frequent manifestation in the lives of such people theorists are teaching financial literacy.

Vishuddha — a chakra located in the throat. A developed Vishuddha is manifested in the ability to be a complete, harmonious and self-sufficient person. The man with the lead vishudha characteristic creative approach to any life situations. They tend to focus on the improvement of the already existing ideas or material assets and to create new, to find the optimal solution in any situation. They are characterized by solemnity, originality, sophistication and originality. A well-developed Vishuddha is manifested in such qualities as refinement, artistic taste, creative implementation of art and science. It is a pity that these qualities does not directly involve money. Of course, the creative person can creative to spend the money. If they wish to do everything perfectly, then to not be ashamed to show the result to others and to look at the matter, not to mention the cases you have neither time, nor forces.

Anahata — a chakra located in the region of the heart.People with leading anahata in the first place is ethics, in particular, and in financial matters. And if the methods or means to make money, in their opinion, not ethical, they usually refuse the money (as opposed to people leading my manipura, for whom the end justifies the means). About such people usually say: "the Soul of the company." In making decisions, they are based on a sensual perception of events. And easily part with money in the name of welfare, however, mainly other people. Such people, usually, a lot of debtors who they are not requesting a refund because they inconvenient to bother people with such "nonsense."

Manipura — a chakra located in the region of the press. Well-developed, manipura manifests itself in the ability to be persistent, stubborn and active, especially in matters of money. In fact, the main qualities that contribute to making money, are found in Manipur. People leading, or well-researched my manipura can get the money out of thin air. This is a hard — working, enterprising, persistent in achieving goals, determined and confident. They often live by the principle "winners are not judged". And achieving goals at any cost them the same characteristic. And so Manipur contributes to the influx of a large number of money

Svadhisthana — a chakra located in the groin area. Swadhisthana characterized by the following qualities: cheerfulness, unmotivated activity, lack of complexes, a positive view of the world, spontaneity. People who have this chakra is the leading characteristic of active life, the emotional and sensual emancipation, open-minded attitude and overwhelming love for pleasures. These qualities are the main the money. It is thanks to these qualities, people living beyond their means, wanting everything at once, "suddenly" find that living in debt, they tend to gain an exorbitant amount of credits, you can get every last penny. Why think about tomorrow when today is so good. But they, as no one can get pleasure from money. Unfortunately, the money is not delayed.

Muladhara — a chakra located in the coccyx. The Muladhara characteristic ability to adapt in the outside world, the ability to survive in difficult situations, loyalty, patience, including in matters of money. For people who have this chakra is a leading characteristic of the gradual and methodical, including in financial matters, plus the practicality and solidity in the attachment of the money as his and not only. Such people can patiently accumulate, reluctant to spend money, often become masters of business, millionaires.

The Sahasrara chakra is located above the head facilitates connection with the cosmos, nature or God. If a person has a well developed Sahasrara, he clearly understands the desires of Nature, including in financial matters, which leads to the fact that the money he will always be. While he will implement what he recommends Nature. And best of all, he doesn't need to think about where to take the money. However, they often are, for the most part, brokers in the cash flows.

To summarise, we can say that only people with leading my manipura hundred percent focused on the process of making money or big money, including all costs.

Led the Muladhara man is able to save and patiently to increase money as their own and not only.

When the ajna leading man is more focused on comprehensive knowledge of financial issues, and not on the practical application of this knowledge.

The rest of the chakras in most cases "prefer" to spend money on yourself, other people or ideas. Vishuddha — the beauty, anahata — gifts and helping others, svadhisthana fun.

Almost all people are successful in financial terms well-developed and balanced chakra three: manipura, Muladhara, ajna, or in their team there are people with such leading chakras.<

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Маг.нет » Fri Nov 04, 2011 16:00

Смелый wrote:And in the case of chakras, and in the case of all the money in the first place is energy.
...which has the frequency setting. Algorithms that structure, their properties correspond to ranges. Channels have resonant points of engagement.


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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Nov 04, 2011 16:55

Смелый wrote:There's a good question: "Why?" Why do we need knowledge or self-knowledge? If you decide to explore the world and you all purple, ready to live in a cave or a tent, or what is, to use what is provided - no problem. Flag in hand.
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The development of outside activities can not exist in principle. :?
With esoteric knowledge You're not the first "got involved"... And it happens precisely because You have gained the additional ability to influence the situation not only on a physical level, and their internal conflicts did not want to leave...

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Юрий555 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 17:37

Boldwhat You describe really seen many times people. He got many times in such "mysticism" (when without any objective reasons is crashing what should absolutely train "work." Mystery!)

As you can see the problem that I (to date). Here is an excerpt from my post on one of the forums:

I Have a serious question about hurt by the visualization of material goals in the form as it is sold people. Almost ready article on this topic, but I want to wait for an interview from a guy from scratch has become a dollar millionaire only by practice PROPER visualization (one coach promised to write).

But here's a little excerpt from my thoughts:
Whether we visualize their financial goals?
The vast majority of people who have engaged or are engaged in visualization your goal "as if it has ALREADY been achieved" no progress with this goal at all! Absolutely!
The man worked the image to the parts already mentally almost lives in this exercise (in fantasy) of the target and the actual result, in reality there is not expected.
What is going on???
a Few hints:
1. The researchers say that the subconscious mind, our operating system does not distinguish between experience is qualitatively reproduced in our imagination and experience, which occurred in reality.
2. It is believed (based on scientific studies) that for each priority objective of "Operating system" creates a neural network in the brain, which disintegrates / restructured when the "system" goal reached (or found that has reached, even if it happened only in the imagination?).
Question: And then what must happen to achieve tangible goals in reality, if we visualize what we ALREADY have it??? Push-pull???


...
Now hard example for women (and not only). Here you have a broken tooth. Front!!! And that will visualize the days and nights that you have it for a whole, but in reality to go without a front tooth? Or still to appear unyielding aspiration to restore the tooth as soon as possible and if you do not have a dentist of money, you'd do anything to find the money to get. And if and clear the blocks impeding the implementation of the Goal (for example, ashamed and afraid to sell sex for money), then you'll restore your tooth, and thus without any mysticism. But for other people it will look like magic. You know?

...
When does the visualization with the creation of feelings, sensations, images, etc. that the goal has been achieved? And it works for the body (as an example - the Image of Youth and Health Arbekovskiy), to develop and consolidate personal skills and characteristics of the person (can also be a lot of examples), to practice some of the skills action, behaviour, to create positive and profitable past experience in the memory Bank.
But for future purposes the material - a question. Another is to set up consciousness.


Personally, I am opposed to the EXPECTATION - REALIZATION.
Personally, I am opposed to the PENDING - the ASPIRATION / FORCE of DESIRE / ACTION (with the obligatory elaboration of the subconscious blocks, conflicts, etc.). And progress went by leaps and bounds.

With esoteric knowledge You're not the first "got involved"... And it happens precisely because You have gained the additional ability to influence the situation not only on a physical level, and their internal conflicts did not want to leave...
Oh, Yes!



a Similar theme:
On why bad to say about their plans

In his small speech, Derek Sivers warns: when we tell someone about our goals, our chances to achieve it are sharply reduced. Why? Because when we talk about the intention, the mind perceives it as a fait accompli.

Psychologists call this social reality. It is on this trick and gets our minds, making us feel welcomed and to experience social recognition. The mind confuses words with things and deprives us of the necessary incentive to achieve the goal. ...
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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Смелый » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:27

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Bold
The development of outside activities can not exist in principle. :?
With esoteric knowledge You're not the first "got involved"... And it happens precisely because You have gained the additional ability to influence the situation not only on a physical level, and their internal conflicts did not want to leave...
All the more difficult. Activities was rife. Creating businesses for specific projects that just worked - stayed. The conduct of transactions for the sale, signed a very serious foreign-economic contracts. That a few days after the signing of the burst. The last two years working for a salary as a Manager. Now again your business organized for borrowed money, carefully calculated, and however, breathing its last.
And in parallel, work on yourself. Moreover, not only visualization.
When I stopped, that means I stopped trying to mentally influence the outcome. I clearly understood themselves and their place in life.
And going quietly to work. And see what is happening. Analyze. And there, look.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Смелый » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:20

Another Guru? It's not me. I their campaigns for the tales finished. And listen to the new storytellers, you're not. Who wants to RUN, let him run. Just in case, just above my reasoning on the pendulum. Not required reading, and even more so, to use.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Юрий555 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 16:11

Another Guru? It's not me. I their campaigns for the tales finished. And listen to the new storytellers, you're not. Who wants to RUN, let him run.
Where did You see that someone (another Guru) something (tales) imposes to listen to? Mm??? Just write, what I do provides real, measurable results in the real world.
just In case, just above my reasoning on the pendulum.
Do you think that only You are here with decades of experience in the esoteric/the oven and tried everything?
I went and chakra (so "cool" in the centers that could not sleep), and pendulums, and much more. The result? Zero!

But if You're interested in experimenting with pendulums, then hammer in Google "the Conference of the School of DEIR - My Technique Kenshin" and note techniques that there's a guy lecturing. If positive, please unsubscribe. Very interesting.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 18:16

Юрий555
Our forum is not the place to advertise your services. If you have something to write, write in a forum thread,and don't send to your page advertising the services of a coach ( not like them ) for 30 Euro per lesson.
Besides the fact that you write about visualization is completely at odds with my personal experience.
No need to lead people astray and even money.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Юрий555 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 18:29

Andrey KabanovYou did not read carefully. I do not teach visualization!!! )))

PS the Link was removed.
besides, what you write about visualization is completely at odds with my personal experience.
Well, describe your experience and results.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 18:36

The experience I described in this forum.
Initial conditions income less than $ 1,000 per month.
The goal of the new red infiniti for 80 thousand dollars.
Implementation period target year.
Method - presentation of the feeling of possession.
The machine came with a bonus, somehow not included in the base for taxes and it is not charged road tax (45 thousand per year).

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

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Андрей Кабанков wrote:Experience I described in this forum.
Initial conditions income less than $ 1,000 per month.
The goal of the new red infiniti for 80 thousand dollars.
Implementation period target year.
Method - presentation of the feeling of possession.
The machine came with a bonus, somehow not included in the base for taxes and it is not charged road tax (45 thousand per year).
My intuition govorit you obviously were doing something else. The feeling that some small, but important point scored to describe. May his words and can not convey.

You begin to wonder. Maybe not just to present, but with a sense of reality, a deep acceptance. How can you dream of your own island, but not to believe in its reality. And you can see the dreams, as do the athletes during the injury. When beds are up, they have even better results. Muscles are of course weaker, I mean the accuracy.

For me it's very hard really to believe in infinity, and I imagination I can't complain. It is difficult to believe and accept as the i-pad for example. Here i-pad I have and I can pomechtat him, because I know what he wants I will do it tomorrow.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 21:53

When I was doing it, it just knew it was for me.Watched from the sidelines how things will shape events to achieve the goal.
Then I tried similar with real estate,visualizing myself standing at the large window of his new apartment and looking down on the city. But this case is still not brought in connection with the prolonged construction of the facility.It will be interesting to watch the final, given the fact that I now remained absolutely without money, making a gift in the form of an apartment one of my relatives.
Instead of rendering transferred the case to the artifacts of technology BJ. :)

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

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Андрей Кабанков wrote:when I was doing it, it just knew it was for me.Watched from the sidelines how things will shape events to achieve the goal.
Then I tried similar with real estate,visualizing myself standing at the large window of his new apartment and looking down on the city. But this case is still not brought in connection with the prolonged construction of the facility.It will be interesting to watch the final, given the fact that I now remained absolutely without money, making a gift in the form of an apartment one of my relatives.
Instead of rendering transferred the case to the artifacts of technology BJ. :)
Here it is. Now go find more people who know exactly what they will be infinity. And those who know those will be exactly. How much there uh... and Jesus said unto the mountain move.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Юрий555 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 22:22

Андрей Кабанков wrote: knew that I'm going to do
Do I understand correctly that was the setting of consciousness "... that I WILL"not already have?

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 22:27

Will was in a sense of confidence in realization of goals. And I imagined the feelings and emotions of owning. So for example , I open garage door, and imagine that there is this machine.
Is already rather than later.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 22:35

In General, unlike the know-it-all coaches :) that teach how and what to do, I think that my experience nothing will give you so as people are all different, goals are different, the conditions of implementation are different. And this experience has value only for my person.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 23:11

Some of their observations on business, I can announce.Now I am inclined to think that it's not worth breaking the closed door. If something is not, or is not necessary at all or will eventually be another route of development.
An example of our development of the Navigator.The project was conceived long ago, we initially followed the path of custom development and contract manufacturing at one of the companies engaged in the development for the needs of state agencies. In this way was the constant delays , failure development time and ultimately ended up that we were told that for the amount paid the development is impossible, due to the complexity of the project. It took a year and a half. In the end we got the money back. Now I see that this path was a dead end. Development and production require constant engineering support, we would simply be ruined.
In the end, was replaced on the route, I turned to this company lead engineer and received his scientific production direction, due to which I can now independently carry out the development and production of any devices.
Now I keep track of these signs and can just give up anything , if for example the letter I send to destination does not go away due to a hung mail.
On the contrary , it so happens that the ones at the scene , for example, is now so developing the draft of the BZ.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by Андрей Кабанков » Sat Nov 05, 2011 23:20

Some events business, which can be regarded as negative,at a certain time interval, later, if you increase the time interval to be just a change of direction or a necessary condition for the further chain of events.
In this regard, I refer to most events without dividing them into good or bad, and it does not worry if the result of my efforts in any direction is a complete fiasco.

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Re: Why it doesn't work as expect or want

Post by bofara » Sun Nov 06, 2011 0:08

Thank You, Dear Andrey Kabanov!

Very useful and interesting. It will be helpful for personal use. Thank you! Success!

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