Air ionizer

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 21:53

Merkaba in the premises where they work like air purifiers - ionizers to be not safe ,Ozone a very powerful oxidant ,headache this is the smallest side effect that you to inhaling high concentrations of Ozone,came to the conclusion that indoors is better to use a humidifier
or cleaning the air ,here such for example http://www.boneco.ru/catalog/aos-2055d.html
the principle of operation can be viewed here
device here
here

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 14:04

a fragment from the text - Ozone is toxic to humans, animals and plants; PDK in air of working zone is 0.1 mg/m3 in ATM. the air of 0.16 mg/m3; LD50 0,046 mg/l (mouse, 2 h), 3 mg/l (mouse, 5 min). Low concentrations of ozone in the air create a feeling of freshness, the inhalation of the air with ozone concentration of 0.002-0.02 mg/l causes irritation of dichat. ways, cough, vomiting, dizziness, fatigue. In the presence of. nitrogen oxides toxicity of ozone is increased 20 times.

why pay special attention to Ozone in the subject of ionizers, the point is to make a quality ionizer
not produce this byproduct must be met several conditions .the needle with which the flow of negative ions needs to be sharpened by a certain angle with high precision,high voltage transformer must have voltage flowing electrons selected and customized under the needle , setting the device under these parameters can take a very long time,many manufacturers do not take into account this-the result is the ionizer output Ozone phouma

МерКаБа · Post by **МерКаБа** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 19:08

+the angel
with the help of radiesthesia tried to determine the concentration of ozone in my room, got 18% of the physiological norm, saturation, negative ions, showed 90%.

Экко · Post by **Экко** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:47

long as you want to make this device, it is a common high-voltage discharger, he's "chandelier Chigasovo". Only there need otricatelnoe voltage.
As I explained to electronics, a positive voltage (the arc) is acting to the detriment. Maybe that's why there was discussed above about the ozone.
And the principle is this: generator -> transformer -> multiplier -> discharger

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 14:29

+the angel
These air washer... do not recommend...my Grandfather gave complete nonsense, noise, air clean and moisturize, gurgles and growls, but the money is worth a lot

You forums "smoke", most users have very similar reviews, these bonaci is money wasted. Too wanted at first, but changed my mind, thank God. That lamp catalytic combustion (Berger) superbly with all sorts of nasty things to cope, suitable even for those who like to smoke at home a cigar or a pipe, no smell in the house.

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sat Dec 18, 2010 19:03

Thanks for the tip Dimas!,with Boneko until the experiments have been conducted,perhaps your Grandfather gave low wash of their noise a lot a little help
if you buy the most productive , long ago remember walked into the room where he worked
cleaning the air Venta the top model , loved it then, feeling fresh air
http://www.venta.ru/products/catalog/ai ... 4PlusAnth/
And who uses air ionizers do not recommend to include them more than 15-20 minutes ,the possible side effects of overexcitation of the nervous system ,headache

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 15:04

About ozone - look for models constructed on the bipolar principle.

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 15:30

EKKO ,I too once thought that the soldered circuit and is ready for you ionizer ,but it was all much more complicated ,you need to sharpen the needle at a certain angle and adjusted
it voltage, so the electrons it flowed and did not break through the oxygen in the air making it ozone
Yes, periodically kontroliruya needle for corona discharge in the dark,and when these needles are clogged with dust,the entire procedure must be repeated again

http://www.ionization.ru/issue/iss7.htm
there is a Ukrainian Amateur radio magazine "radioamator"
in one of the rooms {can't remember exactly what} there is a good article about how to make betonowy ionizer there is described in detail and about the angle of sharpening needles and how to configure it properly

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 16:05

Мирта wrote:About ozone - look for models constructed on the bipolar principle.

it is a marketing ploy - bipolar ionizers work on the principle of corona discharge and have the output the same ozone and why do we need the positive ions produced by these ionizers?they claim the alleged balance? not to insult the people making them ,money has spoiled the world
I have setup the ionizer took a few hours ,will manufacturers to do that, I think not

Логик · Post by **Логик** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 16:23

+ангел wrote:it is a marketing ploy - bipolar ionizers work on the principle of corona discharge and have the output the same ozone

Have bipolar ionizer. Ozone does not smell. Everything else is theory.

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 16:34

it is not the theory of Logic seems to you that it is not, but the ozone it on out there anyway even if you do not feel strong, he felt at certain threshold concentrations ,and it is mixed with the common mass of air and you can't feel it

Свами Доупаду · Post by **Свами Доупаду** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 17:11

+ангел wrote:hi ,before purchasing the Ionizer, be sure to smell if there's output it Ozone http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/O3 ,the vast majority
all produced at the output of the ionizer is ozone and it is not permissible ,the topic of air ionization was studied very seriously at one time ,gathered some of ionizers tested several commercially available[a good collection of factory instruments], including super plus which probably generiruet the largest amount of Ozone,of all tested devices, only one passed the test for the absence of the ozone- "Ryazan 101" but unfortunately it was produced in the USSR
looks like here http://aukro.ua/item1286665072-ionizato ... n-101.html

-Tuck...and experiences do not share?

Логик · Post by **Логик** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 17:19

+ангел wrote:is not a theory of Logic seems to you that it is not, but the ozone it on out there anyway even if you do not feel strong, he felt at certain threshold concentrations ,and it is mixed with the common mass of air and you can't feel it

From the characteristics of the ionizer

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ozone Concentration not more than 0.01 mg / cubic m (the ratio of MPC – 0,1 mg / cu m)

It is full of horror. What a terrible dose of ozone! All, throw away the ionizer in the trash!

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 17:37

+ангел wrote:
Мирта wrote:About ozone - look for models constructed on the bipolar principle.
it is a marketing ploy - bipolar ionizers work on the principle of corona discharge and have the output the same ozone and why do we need the positive ions produced by these ionizers?they claim the alleged balance? not to insult the people making them ,money has spoiled the world
I have setup the ionizer took a few hours ,will manufacturers to do that, I think not

The content of positive ions in the indoor air with working equipment must meet approved standards: SanPiN 2.2.2.542-96 And SanPiN 2.2.2.542-96 Appendix 6 (mandatory), SanPiN 2.2.4.1294-03.
P. S. a Little about bipolar ionizers ( http://www.ionization.ru/issueg/article3.htm ), not in the sense of advertising ( IMHO there are more interesting options )

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 17:48

Logik on the fence too it is written that X unfortunately on this planet lie often passes for the truth
to argue on the subject of ionizers with anyone else going
let everyone chooses itself

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+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 18:09

(-Tuck...and experiences do not share?) Swami've found the magazine article on page 36 ,it is possible to download
http://narod.ru/disk/1694037001/ra0005.pdf.html
sorry about ionizers more sensible across nothing

Логик · Post by **Логик** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 18:29

+ангел wrote:Logik on the fence too it is written that X unfortunately on this planet lie often passes for the truth

Oh I'm naive. Immediately seduced... Again these damn producers, Loja shod...

The threshold of odor perception for ozone (as a shampoo) is of 0.015-0.2 mg/m3 and with an ozone concentration of about 0.5 mg/m3 and above in the air there is an unpleasant pungent smell.

So if the smell of ozone is not felt, it speaks of very low ozone concentrations or the lack of it. The same is said passport data.

And your comment about the fence in this case is not appropriate.

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 18:49

Логик wrote:
+ангел wrote:Logik on the fence too it is written that X unfortunately on this planet lie often passes for the truth
Oh I'm naive. Immediately seduced... Again these damn producers, Loja shod...

The threshold of odor perception for ozone (as a shampoo) is of 0.015-0.2 mg/m3 and with an ozone concentration of about 0.5 mg/m3 and above in the air there is an unpleasant pungent smell.

So if the smell of ozone is not felt, it speaks of very low ozone concentrations or the lack of it. The same is said passport data.

And your comment about the fence in this case is not appropriate.

From my experience, I note ( had to use 2 unipolar and 2 bipolar ionizer ) - the bipolar output, even if you bury them in the nose, ozone is not felt, but as I remember it is a comfortable sign of a gas concentration not higher than MPC. In addition no dirty edges on the walls.

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 18:52

Logik Yes to health !I topic ionizers closed a few years ago ,after various experiences,
perhaps during this time there were manufacturers making
decent products , but do you have a device that measures the concentration of air ions and Ozone concentrations ? it would be interesting to see his testimony

Мирта · Post by **Мирта** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:05

+ангел wrote: ...and the device you have that measures the concentration of air ions and Ozone concentrations ? it would be interesting to see his testimony

Strange question really, when you consider that the cost of such devices is on the order of magnitude ( 10 times ) higher than the cost of the ionizer. Though I must pay tribute to the angel, there is such a service as the call of the master Adjuster of the ionizer, for painstaking configuration of the ionizer due to the ratio of the output ions, in accordance with the parameters of the apparatus ( the ionizer ) and the environment in which it operates.

Логик · Post by **Логик** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:14

+ангел wrote:and do you have a device that measures the concentration of air ions and Ozone concentrations ?

Even specifically, not that by accident.

I trust the health of your body more than any device. If the body feels good, all the theories and instruments nafig unnecessary.

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:15

Yes there are very cheap appliances might not be entirely accurate http://cgi.ebay.com/Air-Ion-Tester-LCD- ... 1667wt_905
http://cgi.ebay.com/Air-Ion-Tester-Coun ... 228wt_1139

Свами Доупаду · Post by **Свами Доупаду** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:32

+ангел wrote:(-Tuck...and experiences do not share?) Swami've found the magazine article on page 36 ,it is possible to download
http://narod.ru/disk/1694037001/ra0005.pdf.html
sorry about ionizers more sensible across nothing

Thank you,+the angelbut from practical experience chenit there? Your ?

+ангел · Post by **+ангел** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:41

Swami from experience - a long infusion of these devices (selection of the frequency generator) and the sharpening of the needle for the absence of corona discharge , but I failed altogether to get rid of a corona discharge it can be clearly seen in the dark so topic closed themselves

Свами Доупаду · Post by **Свами Доупаду** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 19:51

+ангел wrote:Swami from experience - a long infusion of these devices (selection of the frequency generator) and the sharpening of the needle for the absence of corona discharge , but I failed altogether to get rid of a corona discharge it can be clearly seen in the dark so topic closed themselves

Maybe open?