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Post by Колисто » Mon Nov 16, 2009 23:37

Tired already...

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Post by Dimas » Mon Nov 16, 2009 23:39

Logik
Again, trolls on the forum...
yeah, already a few branches to poserity managed, and the mind gulkin...

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 0:33

Let's not measure mental abilities, for you are with your MM, and other means for entertainment, not knowing the basics of human physiology, no neurofisiologia and not knowing farmacologia clearly is a big minus...

what are the statements in this thread only "10 percent of the virus." Raise your hand who else here thinks that you can make 10 percent the virus.

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Post by Жека3000 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:27

Колисто wrote:10 interest virus
Nerd! The virus is weakened! Grown in a test tube! And no matter how much it is weakened, the important thing is that this virus is same the flu! And under certain conditions, the vaccine only hurts! it is not necessary to carp at phrases, if you are so smart and educated, read the meaning and not the words!

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:33

Kalisto
can read these articles if there is interest-we can investigate the network and find work the same Sazonova, and not only,there are foreign articles of Duesberg regarding vaccination, etc.
http://www.elinahealthandbeauty.com/aids.htm
http://gv.org.ua/index.php/plain/interv_yu/sazonova

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 15:31

Жека3000 wrote: Nerd! The virus is weakened! Grown in a test tube! And no matter how much it is weakened, the important thing is that this virus is same the flu! And under certain conditions, the vaccine only hurts! it is not necessary to carp at phrases, if you are so smart and educated, read the meaning and not the words!
Weakened does not mean that it diluted than that. This means that it's been modified and has the counter eviromentally. But organiz recognize it as the enemy and includes a protective response.

The vaccine can only harm when custom reccie for influenza viruses to the vaccine, which would have had probably a real infection. But what to do someone dies from gram of peanut.

Hard to see the sense in a stupid phrase.

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Post by Жека3000 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 15:37

Колисто wrote:Hard to see the sense in a stupid phrase.
Maybe "idiot hard to see sense" :wink:

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:04

Жека3000 wrote: Maybe "idiot hard to see sense" :wink:
But that idiot won't become smarter.

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:15

Dimas wrote:Kalisto
can read these articles if there is interest-we can investigate the network and find work the same Sazonova, and not only,there are foreign articles of Duesberg regarding vaccination, etc.
http://www.elinahealthandbeauty.com/aids.htm
http://gv.org.ua/index.php/plain/interv_yu/sazonova
And here vaccination, it is an article about a worldwide conspiracy that there is no immunodeficiency virus. It was invented by bad people as well as invented images from the electron microscope and genetic code. And all, every one of laboratory in the world besprikoslovno follow according to this conspiracy. But there were people ripening in the vine, they formed a secret society shit of the global conspiracy, but the fight will be neogy - mystical virus refuses to give up... a Very good idea for a Thriller.

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:19

Kalisto
This same Sazonova says a lot about vaccination, but you need to strain to find out about it. Well, obviously, You are a person who unfortunately can ONLY criticize, and know Your criticism has no relation.

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:30

Yes, because it is nonsense to criticize is very easy,

I also find the counter articles, where it will be said that harm from vaccination is sheer nonsense. What and who to believe?? Oh right we have people like this that official medicine does not believe, but believes every opus about the dangers of something that the official authorities of his zhostko cheat, and in General it is a conspiracy of pharmaceutical companies.

Well, I read these didn't find any valid statement, all the words, words. In the scientific world appelrouth facts, which are derived from appropriate research. And she, Bob says this, Peter is, and Eugene here, too, agrees. Yeah idiots everywhere, even among scientists, though their idiocy makes them automatically pseudo-scientists.

And that's not choose to believe this or that, I myself learn the basics and on the basis of acquired knowledge have to decide whose information is more like the truth.

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:48

Kalisto
Well,for starters, so to say, the BASICS fell on fertile ground-a good idea to get a higher education in this field in order not to fall into confusion. :?
and that will be that?
Well, I read these didn't find any valid statement, all the words, words. In the scientific world appelrouth facts, which are derived from appropriate research.
apparently You only read the first 2 sentences,building on their
Well, I read these didn't find any valid statement, all the words, words. In the scientific world appelrouth facts, which are derived from appropriate research.
Yes, that really..everything is clear with You, trolling taxis UNTIL...

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Post by Логик » Tue Nov 17, 2009 18:04

Dimas,
I propose to introduce on the forum vremenny ban for 3 days. Rest during this time, calms. Honestly, if I was a moder I would the trolls do not stand on ceremony. And tbrasil them in the Bath.
Do not spend time on them, really.

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 18:27

Dimas wrote:Kalisto
Well,for starters, so to say, the BASICS fell on fertile ground-a good idea to get a higher education in this field in order not to fall into confusion. :?
Higher education is not necessarily for this. in order to understand something you just need the appropriate brain.
Dimas wrote: and that will be that?
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apparently You only read the first 2 sentences,building on their
I've read enough to understand what they're basing the arguments. At the end of any article claiming nasceste mandatory list of literature on relevant studies and other sources from which were drawn the facts mentioned in the article sootvestvuyushie numbering.

In this article, nothing there, just given the type of "facts" and all, but where to get not clear. In the end, what can I do to test it??

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 18:35

Логик wrote:Dimas,
I propose to introduce on the forum vremenny ban for 3 days. Rest during this time, calms. Honestly, if I was a moder I would the trolls do not stand on ceremony. And tbrasil them in the Bath.
Do not spend time on them, really.
I.e. when the opinion is expressed contrary to the theme of the website then immediately Troll means??

You can ban fun owl, just for this forum it makes no sense to do, as any visitor can leave a message. IP also makes no sense to ban, because what is TOR I'm very aware.

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 18:36

Kalisto
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Альтернати ... ии_и_СПИДа
based on this, if not lazy,you can find a list of studies, books,publications, etc., both foreign and domestic, although the bulk of this work Duesberg and Eleni Papadopoulos-Eleopulos and her colleagues from Australia.
here is a list of scientists:
Individual members (only those in the world there are about 2500 people[50]):
Peter Dusburg (Peter Duesberg), Professor of molecular and cell biology, University of California[51].
Mullis Kari (Kary Mullis)[52], winner of the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993 for inventing the PCR method used for the quantitative determination of virus in the blood.
A group from the University of Western Australia under the leadership of Helen Papadopoulos-Eleopulos (Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos)[53].
Heinz Ludwig Sanger (Sanger Heinz Ludwig[54]), Professor of Virology and Microbiology Institute of biochemistry max Planck, Munich, Germany[55].
Etienne de Harven (Etienne de Harven), former Professor of pathology at the University of Toronto (Canada). Was Director of the laboratory of electron microscopy, Department of pathology, University of Toronto[56][57].
Robert Giraldo (Roberto A. Giraldo), doctor of medicine, specialist in internal diseases, infectious diseases, tropical infections, technologist laboratory clinical immunology and molecular diagnostics, medical center of Cornell, new York[58].
Robert Willner, doctor, author of "Deadly lies".
Irina Sazonova, a Moscow physician, author of books and translations on the issue of HIV-AIDS.
Vladimir Ageev, Ph. D., head. DEP. pathological anatomy at the Irkutsk state medical University.<

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Post by Логик » Tue Nov 17, 2009 18:57

Колисто wrote:Can ban fun owl, just for this forum it makes no sense to do, as any visitor can leave a message. IP also makes no sense to ban, because what is TOR I'm very aware.
bi bi bi
The teacher in school asks:
- Children, what costumes are you wearing to the Christmas party?
- I'm a snowflake, ' says the girl.
- and I, chanterelles, says another.
- and I, shit, get dressed, says johnny!
- Vovochka! Immediately stand in the corner!
- I'll be there to stink!
:D :D :D

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 19:36

Dimas wrote:Kalisto
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Альтернати ... ии_и_СПИДа
based on this, if not lazy,you can find a list of studies, books,publications, etc., both foreign and domestic, although the bulk of this work Duesberg and Eleni Papadopoulos-Eleopulos and her colleagues from Australia.
well I'm honored. The Criticism section is very impressive.
dissidents Usually lead older and already refuted argumentsbut the General public generally not aware of the latest achievements of medical scienceso their claims sound convincing to her. Scientists involved in this issue do not consider it necessary to stoop to discussions on the already obvious issues.

Dissidents emphasize that these include world-famous scholars, like Peter brown and Dusburga Mullica. However, the expertise of these scientists in HIV and AIDS may be questioned.

So in the sphere of professional competence Peter Duesbergand includes the study of malignant tumors. He never was not involved in the study, HIV or AIDS, and all of his work on alternative theories, based on the publications of other scientists.

View Kari Mullis is of particular importance to dissidents, as Mullis was awarded the Nobel prize for developing PCR, and he criticizes the use of PCR to detect HIV. However, PCR is widely used in many procedures for which it was not originally intended by Millicom. As Duesberg, Mullis never professionally involved in the research of HIV and AIDS

Along with these scientists in the number of dissidents also include people whose expertise is far from research of HIV and AIDS and medicine in General. To them in particular are such dissidents as law Professor and preacher Philip Johnson and the embryologist Jonathan wells — are both widely regarded as pseudo-science[109].
I.e. in simple words, you need to trust the opinion of people who are not professionally engaged in the research of HIV and AIDS. Which is consistent with the fact that no one here does not believe in official medicine.<

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 19:41

Логик wrote: bi bi bi
The teacher in school asks:
- Children, what costumes are you wearing to the Christmas party?
- I'm a snowflake, ' says the girl.
- and I, chanterelles, says another.
- and I, shit, get dressed, says johnny!
- Vovochka! Immediately stand in the corner!
- I'll be there to stink!
:D :D :D
I just wanted to say that only people with insufficient knowledge could offer to take such unreasonable actions. Well, you will not be able to get rid of me yet I did not want! And can please, I want very soon.

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 20:03

Kalisto
it says IN particular..And I PERSONALLY know dozens of people who were given diagno HIV,they were given chemotherapy and almost killed it,but when they began to lead a healthy lifestyle and threw chemo-repeated tests through the year and a half has NOT SHOWN anything at all. Men conceive healthy children,women gave birth to healthy children, too,so there it is,Dear Calista.

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Post by Колисто » Tue Nov 17, 2009 21:05

Not knowing how I was diagnosed, what tests were given, what were the results of the tests in any way I can not comment.

Doctors too blunt because they are ordinary people. I also put one dignos once (not HIV). I don't think for a long time acquainted with the methodology of postanogi such dignose and was surprised, because only the presence of Ig M in the blood, also by ELISA is obtained, a diagnosis is not stavitsya. When popice to find out why this was the answer that I have nothing to teach dignity to put, so that the doctor has been changed to another, which too was surprised such is the rush in the formulation of dignose.

So. what if he was diagnosed it does not mean that it was delivered on the correct methodology.

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Post by Dimas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 22:55

Kalisto
PCR, other not yet invented as far as I know. And SUCH mistakes,you know...For not only do they work you can lose.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Wed Nov 18, 2009 15:02

Колисто wrote:Yeah, we need more MM to use, to fix the idiocy of it. 10% of the virus is generally tin, it's not the alcohol that dilute it. Suggest to read about the principles of vaccination, so that more such nonsense do not write.
Kalisto
And this, presumably, is the model of a truly scientific discussion? :?
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Post by Юрий555 » Fri Nov 20, 2009 13:49

The Ukrainian channel, the program info-shock, in the Ukrainian language. Again about the flu and the global conspiracy.

http://novy.tv/video/3/15/6370.html Bratska grave Corporation ( cob )
http://novy.tv/video/3/15/6369.html Bratska grave Corporation ( kinets )

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