Saul
I don't really understand what it means to "believe in CDs and other crap, but God forgot",it's just the discs and MM that we use to solve those or other problems,they are not the object of worship and faith.
This forum destroys faith in God!
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An alcoholic craves pohmelfs to remove syndrome; a drug addict, shiraazi wants to avoid breaking; gamers squander all their money; etc. they BELIEVEthat will change your life for the better get what you want. By themselves, the drives on which you focus does not matter, but do matter expectations for the use of CDs/alcohol/drugs... as you write, "to solve those or other problems". In the temple and at home do not pray to icons, but to God. Faiththat listening will make your life better - false faith! In the result, to experience new States of consciousness and feelings, they can be pleasant, but that doesn't mean they're good. The alcoholic and the addict get what I want, but... God knows us, He knows us better and more useful, but we, listening to CDs and MM say: we don'T BELIEVEyou love us, we want more. He, respecting our freedom, LEAVES US with our requirements, but we pay for everything ourselves.Андрей Кабанков wrote:I don't really understand what it means to "believe in CDs and other crap, but God forgot",it's just the discs and MM that we use to solve those or other problems,they are not the object of worship and faith.
You have formed a false opinion. The main task of the believer to belittle my ego: defeat the hatred and anger that is not compatible with love.оуаакун wrote:had to deal with such "believers" types. They are his inflated ego are ahead of him like a flag when they hide behind memorized by heart quotations from the Bible... As a rule behind it is hatred of other people and anger at the world...
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Why do you pray to God he hears you and loves you without it?
If in the hands of the addict hit a drive Patrushev,is not the Lord's will?
Why do you pray to God he hears you and loves you without it?
If in the hands of the addict hit a drive Patrushev,is not the Lord's will?
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"In three of the Gospels — Matthew, Mark, and Luke — described one and the same story, but the gospel of John tells a very different, so different from the previous three, that they are not the same, even the chronology of Christ's life. But there was a very important reason why the gospel of John was included in the Bible.
And what is it?
— His brother, the Apostle Thomas.
Is the one called doubting Thomas?
Gray was well-known parable about how one of the apostles refused to believe in the resurrection of Christ, as not seen it with my own eyes.
Vigor nodded.
But did you know that only in the gospel of John tells about Thomas the Unbeliever? Only John depicts Thomas as such a limited person limited in mental abilities, and in faith. All the rest of the gospel in awe of Thomas and treated him with great respect. Do you know why John Thomas speaks of with such disdain?
Gray shook his head. He never noticed the contradiction in the Holy texts, which now, after telling Monsignor himself of Verona, it seemed so obvious.
— John aim to discredit Thomas or rather his followers, which at that time there were very many. Even today they can be found in India. But in the early Church there was already a fundamental schism between the teachings of Thomas and John. Their interpretation is so great that survival was the only one.
— What do you mean? How much they differed?
— The nature of these differences goes back to Genesis, to creation, to the starting line of everything. "Let there be Light". And Thomas, and John identified Jesus with the Primordial Light, the light of creation. But their interpretations diverge. Thomas argues that not only marked the beginning of the birth of the universe, but still lives in all things, first and foremost in humanity, created in the likeness of the Lord, that this Light lives in each of the men and just waiting to be found.
— And John?
John offers a completely different view of things. The same as Thomas, he believed that Light was the embodiment of Christ, but, in his opinion, this Light existed only inside of Christ, and the rest of the world, especially mankind, forever left in the dark. He announced that the way back to this world to save, and God can only be found through the worship of the Savior.
— A much more limited view, — said gray.
— And much more pragmatic for the young Church. John offered a more Orthodox path to salvation to Light through the worship of the Savior. It is this simplicity and directness of his teachings attracted the attention of the fathers of the Church in those chaos-filled times. And Thomas believed that every person has an innate ability to find the Lord, and this is not necessarily to be worshiped, and you need only to look inside himself, in his own soul.
And there'll be the Almighty? Verona shrugged.
But which Apostle was right? Monsignor chuckled.
— Who can answer this question! Personally, I have no answer. As Jesus said, "seek so ye shall find"." (D. Rollins "The Bones Of The Magi")
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And what is it?
— His brother, the Apostle Thomas.
Is the one called doubting Thomas?
Gray was well-known parable about how one of the apostles refused to believe in the resurrection of Christ, as not seen it with my own eyes.
Vigor nodded.
But did you know that only in the gospel of John tells about Thomas the Unbeliever? Only John depicts Thomas as such a limited person limited in mental abilities, and in faith. All the rest of the gospel in awe of Thomas and treated him with great respect. Do you know why John Thomas speaks of with such disdain?
Gray shook his head. He never noticed the contradiction in the Holy texts, which now, after telling Monsignor himself of Verona, it seemed so obvious.
— John aim to discredit Thomas or rather his followers, which at that time there were very many. Even today they can be found in India. But in the early Church there was already a fundamental schism between the teachings of Thomas and John. Their interpretation is so great that survival was the only one.
— What do you mean? How much they differed?
— The nature of these differences goes back to Genesis, to creation, to the starting line of everything. "Let there be Light". And Thomas, and John identified Jesus with the Primordial Light, the light of creation. But their interpretations diverge. Thomas argues that not only marked the beginning of the birth of the universe, but still lives in all things, first and foremost in humanity, created in the likeness of the Lord, that this Light lives in each of the men and just waiting to be found.
— And John?
John offers a completely different view of things. The same as Thomas, he believed that Light was the embodiment of Christ, but, in his opinion, this Light existed only inside of Christ, and the rest of the world, especially mankind, forever left in the dark. He announced that the way back to this world to save, and God can only be found through the worship of the Savior.
— A much more limited view, — said gray.
— And much more pragmatic for the young Church. John offered a more Orthodox path to salvation to Light through the worship of the Savior. It is this simplicity and directness of his teachings attracted the attention of the fathers of the Church in those chaos-filled times. And Thomas believed that every person has an innate ability to find the Lord, and this is not necessarily to be worshiped, and you need only to look inside himself, in his own soul.
And there'll be the Almighty? Verona shrugged.
But which Apostle was right? Monsignor chuckled.
— Who can answer this question! Personally, I have no answer. As Jesus said, "seek so ye shall find"." (D. Rollins "The Bones Of The Magi")
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Oh, Dimasnot engage in demagogy, this adds nothing. No one will be able to unravel the meaning of your phrase. Here (§228), you will briefly learn about what Gnostic approaches.Dimas wrote:Saul
Here a little the wrong address. We here prefer not to believe it, but to KNOWusing the Gnostic approach, which means the search for truth to the knowledge of God.
I agree with you, the Sunwhere I needy, in three posts to state the truth. Of course they will contradict each other. They will not have meaning because of the incompleteness of presentation. Will suffice you to think about teaching this for over 2000 years. The strongest minds in the world tried to refute and failed, and proof of God's existence are still coming in.Солнышко :-) wrote:
Saul read more closely the posts: suggestions contradict each other. And if more, then simply do not make sense. No, of course I have, but it more than just for You.
Now, try to answer the question: What is the power of the grandmother to cure disease? As soon as you recognize that there are intelligent forces outside of us, I'll have to admit that some of them are stronger than others, and hence there is senior.
Not like the example with the grandmother? Take poltergeist! There are all sorts of examples in life, the wizards have won their own newspaper publish! In everyday life we do not pay attention to it, because they do not concern us. But this does not mean that these phenomena, no, we don't see because we look the other way. And so, armed with patience and courage, you will quickly come to the conclusion that this "dance" someone steers.
who's the captain? And you who Board the Ark will be?
Saul
Ask the Muslim, Taoist, or shaman brahmin Indian tribe who is the captain!!
and what map they sail to the end point of his journey - and not always the Bible 
Of course there are forces more powerful than us, but they are unlikely against the fact that people worked with a mind-machines, or I don't know what.
Ask the Muslim, Taoist, or shaman brahmin Indian tribe who is the captain!!
and what map they sail to the end point of his journey - and not always the Bible Of course there are forces more powerful than us, but they are unlikely against the fact that people worked with a mind-machines, or I don't know what. No not solved. Ie in what place was that and were not arrived I have the knowledge. It could be from a lack of intelligence. Demagoguery is nothing to add. And about the "Know thyself" - I'm with you for 100%! But this way is better:Dimas wrote:Saul
wow, so who's moaning..
To all have told: if who wants to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. (LK.9:23)
Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear My voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me. (Rev. 3:20)
take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. (Matt.11:29)
All.
A lot of answers in these lines to your lines above.
Look I'll give you another quote:
so faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (ROM.10:17)
It says that belief in us from the word of God. If there is no Word in us, and this may be due to spoofing or denial of it, and faith no. No it is faith in God and the other that is. A Holy place is never empty.
So I turned to those who think about it.
Please, dear friends, do not start all over again. I deprived of nothing, and not rebuked. I hope that if you come here lost sheep of Christ, will find their way home.
so faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (ROM.10:17)
It says that belief in us from the word of God. If there is no Word in us, and this may be due to spoofing or denial of it, and faith no. No it is faith in God and the other that is. A Holy place is never empty.
So I turned to those who think about it.
Please, dear friends, do not start all over again. I deprived of nothing, and not rebuked. I hope that if you come here lost sheep of Christ, will find their way home.
You must be from a sense of pityЛогик wrote:Saul wrote(a):
lost sheep of Christ
Neskolko Christian rhetoric can be disgusting.
yourself think that due to excessive CDA. 
What about "Punisher" you say? About the one Son sent to death? About the one Who was crucified on the cross without any charges?
Can you give to cut your finger for your sister, or brother, or mother, or friend, for any relative? And the "Punisher" came into the world and said:
these Things I command you, that ye love one another. (Jn.15:17)
and about myself:
and be mocked, and shall scourge Him, and spit upon Him, and shall kill Him: and the third day rise again. (Mar.10:34)
and
For the Son of man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many. (Mar.10:45)
Won't on your posts reply is empty!
Here and Andrei Kabanovabout some aggression mentions. You mean the one that in itself feel when arguing with me? Really not apparent whether it is the fear of death from you? (Stalking practice?) That's exactly it, there really death gives (literally 5 rows above), but... excuse me what you found aggressive in my actions? My words are not dangerous, the danger comes from within, from Knowledge. Our being instinctively his senses and gives the right signals, but they are misinterpreted by the mind. Here "misinterpreted" is not very suitable, because it interpreted existing knowledge. If knowledge and/or the program is wrong, and the interpreter - mind (brain) is healthy, then the output will be: he (I) aggressive.
Where? You call me aggressive just because the face more solid Knowledge; in this sense, hard to soft, Yes, aggressive.
Here from the dictionary Ushakov:
the AGGRESSOR, a, m. [Latin. aggressor] (polit.). The perpetrator of the aggression; those who are attacked; the attacking side.
The key word here is "attacked". I can attack on the body and the spirit. Body I your not a threat, so is the spirit. And if I'm really the aggressor, that your spirit feels the fear of death.
But note: what does it mean to attack a spirit? Apparently he must feel a threat to its existence. And this is possible only then, when there appeared something more "solid".
Alas, the truth of Life!<
IMHO more and write you do not need!