loosens the assemblage point

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 21:34

Александр_ wrote:Actually, I thought that to reach absolute reality, while rendering impossible...

My summary : If in a specific altered state (I probably reach it in a state of deep relaxation) possible.

Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:41

Мирали wrote:Alexandr wrote(a):
Actually, I thought that to reach absolute reality, while rendering impossible...

My summary : If in a specific altered state (I probably reach it in a state of deep relaxation) possible.

yeah, I thought so, it's not the most relaxation.
I wonder when rendering - there is a feeling of the body ?

Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:52

After analyzing your posts I realized that visualization for you is a process of reproduction all the senses - tactile, visual, olfactory, gustatory, auditory, emotional, and so on.
I actually thought that the visualization is associated with visual images. Only with them. It follows logically from the title.
You can not visualize doing ?

And please tell me how much time you spend on it the day before, and how much you spend now ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:29

Александр_ wrote:After analyzing your posts I realized that visualization for you is a process of reproduction all the senses - tactile, visual, olfactory, gustatory, auditory, emotional, and so on.
I actually thought that the visualization is associated with visual images. Only with them. It follows logically from the title.
You can not visualize doing ?

Don't know, but I never had any doubt about it.
Well, then what to call, when you're like inside the rendered image ?
Because it's still rendering, but can only be more conscious?
After all, the primary is the resulting image , the visible picture.
Even in nature the body responds to different visual images, but we usually don't notice this reaction, or just ignore it, except in those cases in which much we "hurt".

Александр_ wrote:And please tell me how much time you spend on it the day before, and how much you spend now ?

how often I've already said. If you mean at the time, it is difficult to answer. It takes all kinds. I the truth is never detected in time. I even so never never occurred.
Even when I read things or listen ,touch objects without seeing them,excites in my mind the images that I concentrate my attention and try to get their definition. That too is my kind of exercise in visualization.
It's the first time in my life when I started so more "digging" in his rendering and all that is connected with it, in an attempt to describe it, to answer your questions.

But most likely, it is not particularly useful, because each person is so individual that even repeating all the actions of the other person will never get the same result.

Permanent occupation renderer should anyway, and then you're already relying on your intuition and how many falls you have the right time for the job, instead of adapting to me.

And most importantly, I think you need to have a goal (very important to you, and not some abstract) to achieve that you need a visualization. It is especially important to believe that it really gives results. Faith is achieved only on his personal experience.
I believe the word would be silly, and suddenly I had nothing to do "hang you noodles on the ears" ?<

Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:52

Thank you.

But tell me - do you see the relationship between the quality of visualization and the appearance of the OS ? do you feel a connection between them ?
In your experiences with visualization stimulated wasps, or wasps have already been ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 13:31

Difficult to clearly answer this question.
Most likely the OS has stimulated a high rendering quality.
Wasps emerged ,we can say, like yourself.The dreams were always different, I have a strong expressiveness. And suddenly such a strange dream. It was followed by a series of similar. At the time I didn't even know what they are called osoznanie dreams. Posusta on the Internet, found information. Much of them got carried away .
High rendering quality came a bit later than the appearance of the OS.

Dimas · Post by **Dimas** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 13:38

Alexandr
Mirali
Here I did not understand what STE is visualization...Tried many times to imagine something to imagine,but the images followed each other and the flow of thoughts carried away the consciousness away from the object they represent...then this thing I gave up...and forgot all somehow...And recently started to notice that if you start something to think and to imagine something that is not only perfectly represent the desired object, and can deoivery it in mind,but also smell,texture,structure, subject...moreover,I captured the mood or attitude of the place in which I imagine something,and if this thing happens tonight,I see a very similar dreams with the represented object...Yes it comes with sufficient relaxation,it is best to get this exercise while travelling in metro with my eyes closed,if you are able to sit down

and in the evening before going to sleep,lying in bed,and in lectures at uni

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Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 16:48

Форт wrote:And anyway, guys, what makes you think that the assemblage point can shift somewhere. The only books of Castaneda and Kensuke?

let's say ksendzuk for me is not the authority.

and who cares how it's called the assemblage point, or as I understand it - the angle of view on the world ?

I'm interested in how the angle change.
if you have something valuable to say then I'm listening.

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 18:59

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I would be very interested to read your reasoning about the "point side". As I hear about it almost on every corner, but so far been unable to determine what kind of "fruit" and what it eats.
The works of Castaneda was never able to master, contented himself with difficulty listened to two of his audiobooks and they got acquainted with the biography of Castaneda (his death from cancer greatly surprised me, people with such knowledge as he, in my concept needs to escape into another world differently, though... I could be wrong.) .

What is the "assemblage point" about which everyone is talking, I peeked in

the — Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

assemblage Point — the concept of the works of Carlos Castaneda, was promoted as a plot of the energy body (the cocoon) of the person receiving the energy signals from the outside world.[1] don Juan, the position of the assemblage point has played a leading role in creating the picture of the world, and changing the position of the assemblage point allows us to perceive other energy fields and therefore other worlds.

The degree of mobility and position of the assemblage point determines the different types of attention:

The first note corresponds to a daily stable description of the world; pre-fixed point of the Assembly.
The second attention correspond to the attention trained on the perception of several different descriptions of the world; the point Assembly adopts several provisions.
Third attention is the highest state of attention in which there is full awareness of the energy fields and the free movement of the assemblage point in different locations.

Unfortunately this definition it is not absolutely clear, can still "not Mature enough" to understand.

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Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 23:12

Hello!!!

Форт wrote:it is as if the controller settings for a certain wavelength, in this case, the specific world

once "globally"? ... the whole world? but what changes generally speaking view of the world? one and the same world, that is... unless this "handle", then what?.. or it's the internal "setup" first and (it turns out that) the only "Ruchechki"?

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Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 0:13

No.. well, I think initially... just the phrase "it is as if the regulator settings for the reception of a certain wavelength, in this case, the specific world"a little misleading... see only me... um.. will have to think about it)...

Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:59

Форт wrote:of the Assembly Point actually exists. But its displacement and the separation happen only at the moment of clinical death.

controversial. I do not agree. that only in clinical what, don Juan was dying periodically

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Форт wrote: I'm interested in how the angle change.
if you have something valuable to say then I'm listening.

What do You mean by the angle, Alexander, I do not understand. Try to form the question more precisely. Questions, too, have their value.

Don't get me wrong, Sasha. It is not the desire to play the great guru. Just if the person does not know what exactly you need, it is pointless to give out information which he can not understand.

The main function of the assemblage point is the selection and subsequent fixation that exaggerating it is possible to call the outside world.

Well, the perspective I was referring to the Assembly point.
After all, according to my deep conviction that thinking determines being, ie, something that is inherent in us - that we see.
and if for example we believe that the apples in the sky is not falling, then they will not fall off, even more than that - will explicitly seek to fall downwards, confirming our subjective reality.
I'm looking for a way to break free from the conventions imposed upon us very generously everywhere.
So I have this topic started.
I hope I managed to explain my position.
Want to be freer.

Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:58

not... well, stupid to follow even the Castaneda sense there... you should try it yourself... if you have a goal of "to be free from the conventions imposed upon us very generously everywhere"what prevents to do it right there?
what I am is... if you have the idea-the feeling that "that's not something

"... explore her... there is a high probability that they will come to the decision entogo question!!

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Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:15

Форт wrote:Only the corpse of the Assembly point

is not available at all, but as a cocoon to which it is bound.

At the time of death, the assemblage point ceases to produce a selection of those

the luminous fibres which pass through it, respectively

the cocoon, which is like it's projection collapses. And man's Soul goes to heaven. It is, briefly.

and you are watching???

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Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 13:48

Fort
and "seeing" the people were so to say ordinary people, or those "that can easily change perception"? ... well, unusual, in a way... just a question the "purity of experiment"..

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Лилка · Post by **Лилка** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 15:10

Форт wrote:experiment is not needed at all.

um... not so, it seems, expressed (Oh, these words!!!(((...

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the question is, WHO is "considered"... maybe the people in General could not to move it, provided if this is the place to be(!)

PS hope it's to Express the idea... Oh!!...

Александр_ · Post by **Александр_** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 16:47

Форт wrote:Only the corpse of the Assembly point
is not available at all, but as a cocoon to which it is bound.
At the time of death, the assemblage point ceases to produce a selection of those
the luminous fibres which pass through it, respectively
the cocoon, which is like it's projection collapses. And man's Soul goes to heaven. It is, briefly.
And in General, and here was don Juan.

I was just talking about the offset.
why to discuss here is the gap ????
especially when he is only corpses.

and about the don Juan I will explain.
he was a real wizard, and could shift in the assemblage point to travel in other realities.

Форт wrote:is a psychologist. Where is the assemblage point.
Want to be free, so be it.

I agree, but do not be so narrow.
besides psychology, there are many more effective tools.

interesting - if you repeat yourself I'm enlightened, I'm enlightened, I will reach enlightenment ?

this is how you know a rhetorical question.
there are more effective ways. much.

you must have a Fort have their problems in life, and based on your point of view, all can be removed psihologicheskoi and nlparse treatment.

I don't know what true for you - but imagine hypothetically that you have a desire to fly.
no planes, just flew off.
paradigm imposed on you by society let fly.
until you change your angle of perception of the world - you will not be able to abandon the restrictions.
when you change your view of the world - will move your assemblage point, you will open another reality in which you will be able to fly, while remaining in this one.

I am not aware of even a single "flying nlpers might", so I'm looking for other ways.

I hope I managed to explain you my point of view.

from your posts implies that you think a little differently.
there is nothing here.
just our ways

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