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[Ольга Лагуза]

apparently you have not passed on the link to the discussion Lama. Otherwise there would be seen his incorruptible brothers in a more intact state, only in the tens of thousands of years ))

Here's an example of how preserved the hanged man (probably not for Holiness, hung up 2400 years ago)

Be more specific...

[Ольга Лагуза]

But the hanged man does not decompose and not stink somehow

It's just Your words, but as there really...
But in General, I have no desire to communicate with You in any form...

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be more Specific...

I think it's very specific. There is a photograph of a hanged man. Its state of preservation is better than the Lama. Age and 24 times more

But in General, I have no desire to communicate with You in any form...

Still. As it is, I find such arguments, which can not argue. Disorder. We need to stop communicating with this person, and that faith shaken

[Ольга Лагуза]

Life after death
The group raised llamas body Itigelov in 1955 — two years before he bequeathed. The procedure was forced — the strongest storm in the village of Zun Orongoy tore the roofs, and the head of the Buddhist clergy decided to conduct the necessary rites to the named period. Convinced of the immutability of the body Itigelov, Lama changed his clothes and bumhan. The same ritual was held in 1973. Then he was associated with the severe flooding, lost for a month Ivolginsky district of Ulan-Ude....

Lama received the consent of the relatives for exhumation and 10 Sep dug up to a depth of five feet box with a body covered with salt. Present, the coroner, after the body refused to do anything with it since I've never seen. And asked to create a Commission. Lama was not just outwardly recognizable, he found all the signs of a living body, elastic skin without any signs of decay, preserved in place nose, ears, eyes (they are closed), fingers. He bent all the joints, including the smallest on the fingers. Perfectly preserved teeth, hair, eyelashes, eyebrows. Itigelov transferred to Ivolginsky datsan.
From the “act of external examination of the corpse exhumed”, signed on 11 September, three leading experts of the Republican centre of forensic medical examination: “any foreign aromatic, resinous or putrid odors from the contents of the boxes and the corpse was not determined... the Soft tissue corpse tight elastic consistency, joint mobility is preserved. The hair on the head, the nail plate is preserved. Body posture when retrieving the last box is saved without any support and fixtures. Any traces testifying previously produced opening of body cavities in order to possibly balsalazide or conservation, as well as any damage, traces of earlier traumas, surgeries, diseases on the body not found.”

The Dalai Lama said that Itigelov not yet reached Buddhahood, but heading in that direction. And Bogdo the General IX believes that the Lama has gone beyond samsara, ceasing of rebirth. Meanwhile, the people who are watching a Lama throughout these years, noted that he had grown and darkened hair and slightly changed the skin color — in some places it poboril, where it became Golden. My question is whether this is a precedent in Buddhism, Ganzhur Lama replied in the negative. Attempts to save the bodies of teachers known from the Middle ages. Deciding to leave this life, they can dive into the state of Samadhi and purify the body so that after death it remains.
It remains to believe in the word: in Samadhi the activity of “gross body” just stops or vital processes are slowed down millions of times. This occurs under conscious control of a yogi — his “subtle body” continues to live. In other words, Dorzho slowed, almost stopped time. The body just seems dead, it retained a vital energy and it needs to be protected from external influences. Therefore, before plunging into Samadhi, the monks, and disposed of in secret caves. Who has not heard stories about Tibetan caves where frozen yogis “sitting” for many centuries?

By the way, Lama say that on the basis of the work of the Bogdo Sonhava “Praise interdependent origin” (indigenous text on the emptiness of all phenomena) Dorzho made a “comprehensive and qualitative analysis of porosity and made up of direct, practical understanding of emptiness — the great reality of all phenomena”. Well, easier... Expert Elena Alexander reported that in samples of tissues of the body Itigelov missing iron, zinc, silver, iodine, or they are negligible. “The feeling inside, the emptiness! Where all go?” It assumes that this perfect emptiness suppressed all bacteria.

However, its report the Institute of Itigelov was transported for evaluation at the Russian Academy of Sciences, and received the answer that this is a very rough analysis, the error is large. And as scientists began to violate the agreement — this study was not planned, tissue samples of 3 January 2005 it was decided to return home. This was accompanied by an ugly story: Professor Zvyagin has warned that photos of the great lamas no clothes on (he was allowed to do anthropological research) should not leak to the tabloid press. But that is exactly what happened.

Leaving a will, Itigelov knew his body the ashes will not touch. But the trick is that this emptiness is not only grasped and meaningful, Hambo Lama of it, independent from our time and space, watching the world and talking with us. In January 2003, he suddenly started to lose weight, and behind the glass where he was, the humidity somehow surpasses 96%. It lasted three days, during which the surrounding puzzled what to do....
Recently Dorzho twice opened his eyes. In his Institute say that is not yet clear what the reason is. On 16 February, minutes before the meeting Hambo Lama with the people, it happened again. This is the testimony of Constantine Zhalsaraeva, he was there. From that day on he decided to work at the Institute of Itigelov volunteer.

And more. During his stay in the Ivolginsky datsan me it became obvious that a huge amount of information Lama is deliberately not made public. We can understand them. Itigelov and cherish, and their lives from our “good” world.

They know: people judge for yourself. They need to prove to myself that all the same what to live only the way they do. People are pleased to hear that Pushkin fought the duel “for the image”. That the New Testament was written, advertising for tourists Jerusalem. What the Buddha is just effective PR-project.<

[Ольга Лагуза]

But in General, I have no desire to communicate with You in any form...


Still. As it is, I find such arguments, which can not argue. Disorder.

You at least funny...

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Any traces testifying previously produced opening of body cavities in order to possibly balsalazide or conservation, as well as any damage, traces of earlier traumas, surgeries, diseases on the body not found.”

Cool. Above it is written that a Lama was covered with salt is the perfect preservative. And just below - implying that there are no preservatives ))

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Lama for many decades was covered with salt without access of oxygen. First without oxygen, the microorganisms inactive. they also breathe for the most part, second salt is a great preservative, debit the skin prevents the microorganisms of the body to multiply. Here it is the skin zagubili, made of stone.

Tell me, Olga, saw the dried fish? Only then there's oxygen there ))

[Ольга Лагуза]

About the phenomenon of Itigelov's writing very much. In fact, we can say that it is officially registered forensic medical examination, recorded in the state document fact of human life after physical death.

To understand and assess the current status Itigelov is extremely important that he went to another world when you perform certain ritual acts: gathering of their closest disciples, he sat down in the Lotus position and asked them to perform a Buddhist prayer "good wishes to the outgoing".


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[Ольга Лагуза]

Tell me, Olga, saw the dried fish?

I don't want to talk to You, it does not hurt any kind is not anger, not hate, just disgust me to deal with You...

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In fact, we can say that it is officially registered forensic medical examination, recorded in the state document fact of human life after physical death.

In fact, it does not fit the facts. Try to find a document and you will not be able to do it. Because it doesn't exist

I'm just squeamish to deal with You

Sometimes... a Person usually experiences what is inside him. He who loves himself loves others. The one who is stressed out - angry on others. The one who refers to himself in disgust - disdain and others. It's all about inner peace only ))

[Ольга Лагуза]

In fact, we can say that it is officially registered forensic medical examination, recorded in the state document fact of human life after physical death.


In fact, it does not fit the facts. Try to find a document and you will not be able to do it.

Try to find a document refuting the document that You are not satisfied do not know how anyone, but I, to Your consent or not consent, deep purple. I respect religion, their traditions, and all people living high ideals, but the heathens with their futile attempts to undermine any human value, regarded as silos, for growth and strengthen the things which they oppose.

[Ольга Лагуза]

Now Itigelov for four years is in Ivolginsky datsan. the Lotus Posture, in which he was 75 years, in cedar box, after extraction from it is saved without any support and fixtures. Although the summer heat in Buryatia reaches 40 degrees and no refrigeration in this primitive "sarcophagus" no, the body Itigelov is not subject to decay or decomposition. Light, artificial lighting indoors, no – penetrates only the dim light from the first floor. All who come here say they feel a powerful heat flux, outgoing from the body Itigelov. Moreover, his face sweating, then there is a loss of energy. But the weight saved! Four years! How energy balance is maintained when there is no visible access to light, the flow of solar energy when there is no physical impact, there is nothing that could be considered energopodachi?
So, I had three questions:

1. How to qualify the state in which is Dorzho now?
2. How to explain the fact that he, after lying under the ground in a saline solution for 75 years, was preserved incorrupt?
3. As it is now provided by the energy balance of the body, than it "eats" in the absence of access to light?

In short we can answer that. If you choose from the three possible States of the organism – a living (valid space), dead (reciprocal space) and the transition state, there is reason to assume that it is a living organism. Second – why not salt corroded the body Itigelov and the sarcophagus in which he was? Because Itigelov has put himself into a state of the standing wave. As a result of destructive processes actively running from external aggressive environment, was compensated by a reverse counter-processes that used to slow corrosive action at the junction of the direct and counter-processes, that is, when the collision (superposition) of two waves running in opposite directions, formed as a standing wave. In this position, the two counter-moving waves neutralized each other and other areas in which there was addition of waves, and quenched the maximum amplitude of the damaging effects. And third. Itigelov do sweat, but it saves weight, with no external energopodachi.

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Try to find a document refuting the document that You are not satisfied

Mmm... a Document that denies a non-existent document? I guess I fail ))

Second – why not salt corroded the body Itigelov and the sarcophagus in which he was?

Because water in an enclosed space was not - in the box where it was. The salt absorbed the water body and all.

It is because of salt from the body Itigelov oozes the so-called "sweat" when it got. The salt is hygroscopic and absorbs water from the surrounding area. However the salt started to ruin the appearance and its use has long ceased. Since then, Lama and not sweating )))

Well, think of yourself - why would a living person to fill with salt-and-so, natural preservative.

[Ольга Лагуза]

Several times in the thread already mentioned that salt came later, and that's because of the salt affected the nose and some skin fragments.


exhumed it was discovered that the sarcophagus Itigelov was filled with salt[5] that "in some places caused damage to his skin — dried" (according to Dr. Zvyagin, until 1973 salt in the sarcophagus was not)[6]. This, in particular, it is possible to explain the phenomenon of fluctuations in body weight (within 100 grams) in the days of the mass public. The dried tissue or salt can absorb water vapor, increasing body weight in these days (several per year). After days of visiting the excess moisture evaporates from the surface of the body, resembling a sweat. In the first few years after the opening of the sarcophagus the body gained weight up to 2 kg annually. For 6 years weight increased by 5.10 kg and was 41 kg.

In September 2002, took place the opening of the sarcophagus, which was Itigelov, in the presence of the leadership of the Buddhist traditional Sangha of Russia, and medical experts. Universal surprise was the excellent preservation of the body over time and the irreversibility of physical decay. Itigelov still sitting in the same Lotus position, which was accepted by meditating, in the care of life. He was not just outwardly recognizable, but he had discovered all the signs of a living body: soft skin without any hints of decay, preserved in place nose, ears, closed eyes, fingers and so on.

I know of no such officially registered the modern state of fact, not only in the history of Buddhism, but also in the history of mankind in General.


Salt applied later after the intervention of masses of people... salt is not only a preservative, but it has other functions....

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In your quote just above:

"the same ritual was held in 1973. Then he was associated with the severe flooding, lost for a month Ivolginsky district of Ulan-Ude....
Lama received the consent of the relatives for exhumation and 10 Sep dug up to a depth of five feet box with a body covered with salt. "

That is, in 1973 the box is dug up already with salt. And then again buried, of course with salt ))) And in General on the website of the diamond way Buddhist said he was salt 75 years has been http://www.buddhism.ru/vozvrashhenie-itigelova/ this was the first link that I opened, not even looking for.

And tell us - what other functions has the salt.

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In the first few years after the opening of the sarcophagus the body gained weight up to 2 kg annually. For 6 years weight increased by 5.10 kg and was 41 kg.

Of course. He was in an environment where the humidity is zero. And when he pulled Sol started to absorb moisture from the air and transfer it mummified tissues.

But so now this mummy looks - she was placed in a sealed box, otherwise it really bad was beginning to crumble)), And covered it with clothes completely - no one saw that there the hell is going on with the body. And that faith will be shaken.



Actual photo of destruction of the body in the early 21 century are shown above. And now to photograph, in principle, do not give anyone. Because it is impossible to deprive people of faith. And streams of donations ))

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preserved in place nose

I'm sorry if in 2002, the nose was something where did it go? ))) A living person

[Ольга Лагуза]

someone covotsos works...

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Well, of course. If someone shows facts - photos, quotes Buddhists, chemical phenomena and reactions - it is clearly a vampire. Because it is thus destroys the belief in a miracle, you bastard ))) a little bit More and faith will fail, but don't give up! Remove the regulator fanaticism to the max and turn off all logic. And will be a perfect zealot ))

[Джейсон]

What is the nonsense about dreams. Like all they see is a chaotic wandering currents in the brain stem. There is also the subconscious is information part (plus the energy/sensitive/emotional part in the intestinal brain)

Please give a link for scientific research from relevant agencies. You're so in my dialogue build?

Well, actually, Itigelov's mummy ))) About it, we considered myths here: viewtopic.php?p=138209#p138209 - we know a lot of mummies, much older and in the best possible way. Even modern people are mummified from the modern food ))

There is the history of a fairly open and hide there glutamate why not. Lama a few months very seriously and cleaned, worked in fact only energy practices and ate mostly water. Gave the command to bury yourself and when to dig also said. I guess all the mummies doing? Just want to remind you that the mummy is "burned" within a few hours, that you are silent about it. About the salt obtained is not convincing, because the fish is salty, liquid does not remain, and there they say the joints moving. I know a person from those lands, he told me that personally touched the Lama and he was sweating, then the sarcophagus there is not deaf. Well, that would be the lyrics.

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I'm sorry if in 2002, the nose was something where did it go? ))) A living person

Who said that he is alive? His mind is not in this world is simple and is connected with the body very much, so I just gave this example. This phenomenon is called a Saint, not a mummy. Do believe that this topic is better not to discuss here, and continue your dedication to us the truth about the world and get better with spoilers.

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There is the history of a fairly open and hide there glutamate why not. Lama a few months very seriously and cleaned, worked in fact only energy practices and ate mostly water. Gave the command to bury yourself and when to dig also said.

In this formulation of the questions does not even arise. Strong argument, I must bow to your belief )) by the way, I know the people who created the sea at the time, especially Black. And the men in black protect us from aliens. Only psst.

His mind is not in this world is simple and is connected with the body very much.

So why is consciousness made a complete destruction of the nose, face and body? Anything is unclear. He or incorruptible or corruptible - breaks in pieces. The nose had fallen off, so corruptible. Or what?

personally touch a Llama and he was sweating

about "sweating" bit I wrote above. And not only I, but Olga quoted that it is from the hygroscopic salt ))

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Do believe that this topic is better not to discuss here

Let's of course not if it violates your faith. Indeed, not very nice... Just the diamond way Buddhism is... not worship anyone, neither the living nor the dead, nor Holy. Well, in General, Buddhism is the aspiration to nothingness, so to speak. And not worship anyone or belief that a particular Saint.

[Джейсон]

Joke's on you. Have something to say on the merits? Or will you only answer those questions that do not scatter your weak picture of the world that you worked so hard took a long time?

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Like essentially communicate ))) I do Not really see where the picture crumbles. In addition to crumbling Lama dropped nose - everything else is stable ))