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[Ольга Лагуза]

Why is this not a conversation. If you have no experience stay out of the matter - why did you decide that your consciousness is not the brain

How is the experience of matter, pure spirit or what? We are talking about consciousness and the brain in General, and not about Your or my. And how do You know what I have experience?

And since You are talking about, then why did you miss my question of the same nature?

casually wrote(a):
And you, you personally, were out of matter? Tell, interesting.
If not - this is again copy-paste and compile, other infoverse, faith and fanaticism. Where is your own thinking, that is, consciousness at the same time? Photocopying other people's programs - not to be conscious ))


This is not a conversation at all. You may think You've been everywhere what reasoning, for example in myths, religions, Narona and in everything else that you say. Or are You talking exclusively own discoveries, coupled with their titles? I suggest not to put the issues squarely and to seek answers to them, which of course exist in the environment.

And if it does not develop, then the resulting Mowgli (the jungle in the forest) or the cattle in the jungle of the city - it is also a conscious being? Really think so?

That You give me your speculation glue?

[Ольга Лагуза]

In passing, how did You make the conclusion that consciousness depends on the brain?

[мимоходом]

Above all the arguments are written. Do you not read

And how do You know what I have experience?

A few comments ago I asked you to write your personal experience of being outside of matter or experience that you understand if the mind is not the brain. Or it is and you rely on your own experience. Or just grabbed ipowerus without attempting understanding. To comprehend - you need to strain the brain. You, instead, once again ask for the arguments that several times already given.

[Ольга Лагуза]

If a person acquires only with growth, development, so to speak, then how to explain the fact that clairvoyants do not always become usually they are born, and children often see the world that they are not burdened with matter as adults. And Indigo children, they are born. With age we gain stereotypes, clichés, this is of course an integral part of social adaptation, but nonetheless we are more and more the most immersed in matter.
And that panic, dear Casually about, as you put it, is immaterial, when we haven't even touched, you can talk and talk more on the background of known facts.

[Ольга Лагуза]

Above all the arguments are written. Do you not read

No, I have not found Your answers.

a Few comments ago I asked you to write your personal experience of being outside of matter or experience that you understand if the mind is not the brain.

It is Your theory that consciousness depends on the brain, here and describe how You saw it in "beyond matter"?

Or he is, and you speak from experience. Or just grabbed ipowerus without attempting understanding.

I'm not here on the forum started its understanding about consciousness, there is a lot of information which is of justification here and now, not on the plan regardless of the matter. The latter, as You said, it "glitches" in the nuthouse You have a friend and so on. Or it all depends on where You want to tend....

[мимоходом]

With age we gain stereotypes, clichés, this is of course an integral part of social adaptation, but nonetheless we are more and more the most immersed in matter.

Actually you us demonstrate in this thread ))

Clairvoyance is not consciousness, and the subconscious mind. This is a function of the brain stem. For example, the vision of two and three-dimensional images on top of reality is so average brain projects a picture from the subconscious to visual hillocks the brain. All this structure is called the reptilian brain (aka the third eye). There was this structure in the first reptiles, the eyes were at the back first, then these mounds and transformed, then grown layers of the brain as an onion. Here some people have a reptilian brain is genetically developed - they have this clairvoyance.
As for the other people, then it is quite possible to develop, train, it is accessible to everyone

to argue even against the background of known facts.

Gladly willing to discuss the background facts. Please bring well-known facts

[мимоходом]

No, I have not found Your answers.

This is because you need to include the brain, and not to neglect them ))

about consciousness, there is a lot of information

that's it ))) a Lot of information. Read a lot of inflated authorities, shut off critical thinking, refused to conceptualize themselves and now like a zombie repeating other people's infoverse. Try to think. For this you have to be willing to think and thinking to make the effort. For starters, you can try to re-read my comments and try to understand what is written there

[Ольга Лагуза]

turned off critical thinking

I gave You basic examples You are silent for some reason, but convict me to disable the brain in the reading of inflated authorities, etc. Why are You doing this? Don't want to talk? You're free, consider further that consciousness depends on the brain, and the subconscious mind stupid mind.
Metaphysics is the knowledge that beyond the limits of possible experience, and yet it is available to everyone in one way or another.

refused to conceptualize themselves and now like a zombie repeating other people's infoverse.

What are You talking about??? I, unlike You talk, even now continue to do so, and You're trying to accuse me of complete incompetence, instead of what would oprovergut the following in favor of his version:

If a person acquires only with growth, development, so to speak, then how to explain the fact that clairvoyants do not always become usually they are born, and children often see the world that they are not burdened with matter as adults. And Indigo children, they are born. With age we gain stereotypes, clichés, this is of course an integral part of social adaptation, but nonetheless we are more and more the most immersed in matter.
And that panic, dear Casually about, as you put it, is immaterial, when we haven't even touched, you can talk and talk more on the background of known facts.

[Ольга Лагуза]

a Few comments ago I asked you to write your personal experience of being outside of matter or experience that you understand if the mind is not the brain.

Is You describe your personal experience where I realized that consciousness depends on the brain.

[СтаниФилмТВ]

To do this, we must want to think and thinking to make the effort.

It is very extreme.....and suddenly the brain will raskoshelitsya..and starts first insomnia..)

[мимоходом]

I gave You basic examples

Some basic examples? ))) An example about clairvoyants led - so I wrote to you how it really is. With consciousness it is not connected well at all. If it was related to consciousness, clairvoyants would birth themselves food was prepared. And wrote books. It is a conscious function... And imaginative subconscious mind, detached from the conscious functions of the brain - it's just glycolosis. When a person has a poorly developed frontal lobe, when his narrow-minded when people can't include the inner critic and, in General, has little logical conclusion - that these are pictures of clairvoyants is nothing more than the hallucinations of schizophrenics. Alas

[мимоходом]

It is You describe your personal experience where I realized that consciousness depends on the brain.

Well, if you have difficulty with information processing - write extremely concise and to the points

1. All newborns are not conscious. Can't make the conscious functions. No
2. With age people increase awareness. Some in a constructive way, others destructive. But the consciousness is growing in all
3. The downs of the weaker minds several times. Due to just one extra chromosome - pure genetics.
4. Removal of the brain or its parts leads to distortion or complete loss of consciousness
5. Cutting the corpus callosum between the hemispheres forms in person TWO personalities, each unaware of the other. One person, one hemisphere, the other - more. Each of the individual personalities and conscious. So simple consciousness multiplied by two
6. If a person from childhood to develop, for example, put in a dark room for the entire period of childhood - it's gonna be a beast with almost zero consciousness.

[СтаниФилмТВ]

these pictures here clairvoyants are nothing more than hallucinations of schizophrenics.

..there.. do schizophrenics see..glitches..only when they Mosk raskochegarivaem..psychosis is called, and then the glitches unforgettable..and if a schizophrenic alone is..it's just an intelligent man with whom interesting to talk to.)

[мимоходом]

If a schizophrenic with a highly developed frontal lobes - that schizophrenia he's decent, but the bugs are strongly connected with reality. This can be called a true clairvoyance or assosaries... And then there are a number of friends who just mess caught in pictures and think it is necessary ))) and to translate it or somehow rationalize can't just throw his hands, Yes mad, how dear Olga.

[мимоходом]

Generally, if a person is angry it means he has frontal lobe excited and he could not stop. Proper arousal is also psychosis )))

And if inside all is calm - then the hormones human thinking are not distorted and he starts to think ))

[Ольга Лагуза]

What are basic examples? ))) An example about clairvoyants led - so I wrote to you how it really is. consciousness is not connected well at all. If it was related to consciousness, clairvoyants would birth themselves food was prepared. And wrote books.

Yeah, really......"consciousness connected with the kitchen, and writing, clairvoyance consciousness is not connected..." That You are now using your brain or think logically or it's beyond the material experience that You suggested???????

[Ольга Лагуза]

Generally, if a person is angry it means he has frontal lobe excited and he could not stop. Proper arousal is also psychosis )))

And if inside all is calm - then the hormones human thinking are not distorted and he starts to think ))

You are already angry or what?

[мимоходом]

You are already angry or what?

I do not. Here you gushing ))) Must somehow be more peaceful - it's just letters on a monitor, and the monitor you have in mind, in the brain. And uncontrolled emocionalna is polluting, polluting. And humanly ugly. Since circulation start - push tube, and do not drain precious movement in the middle of nowhere ))

You asked me for arguments I brought them. Is there anything you can say on those points?

[Ольга Лагуза]

Well, if you have difficulty with information processing - write extremely concise and to the points

OK, let's try to understand You.

1. All newborns are not conscious. Can't make the conscious functions. No

Excuse me, but the expression "conscious functions," makes me protest, let me explain why. I understand it's exactly the opposite, that is the function of consciousness. People do not so often in contact with the consciousness, it is more mechanical.
About babies, You know from where, from there they can not go to prepare and to write a book? Consciousness exists in each spheroidal form, this form implies consciousness, this applies to the atom and of man and of the planet. By Your logic the next, children can not take care of themselves, and therefore they have no consciousness because the brain is not developed. AND HOW THEN TO BE WITH YOUNG ANIMALS, THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH CONSCIOUSNESS WHATEVER AFTER THE BIRTH TO GET UP AND GO TO EAT?

2. With age people increase awareness. Some in a constructive way, others destructive. But the consciousness is growing in all

Awareness can be increased, I agree, it is a duty, calculated approach to anything, moral choice, but it is consciousness.

3. The downs of the weaker minds several times. Due to just one extra chromosome - pure genetics.

I wasn't thinking about it, though, I think that they are thinking, awareness of self, closer to animal than to man, but it doesn't tell me about the absence of consciousness, only the lack of communication with him in this life.

4. Removal of the brain or its parts leads to distortion or complete loss of consciousness

The brain is a tool, something happens of course, if to remove, there is in fact every part of something represents. But please answer, does the aura disappears, or at least a piece of it, along with the cut off part on the physical plane?

5. Cutting the corpus callosum between the hemispheres forms in person TWO personalities, each unaware of the other. One person, one hemisphere, the other - more. Each of the individual personalities and conscious.

I can't talk about the separation of the hemispheres, and, in General, is a pathology here and that the science itself is floating, but consciousness is not relevant to consciousness, to the consciousness it is to admit.

6. If a person from childhood to develop, for example, put in a dark room for the entire period of childhood - it's gonna be a beast with almost zero consciousness.

A CONSCIOUS PERSON IF PUT IN A DARK ROOM, FROM CHILDHOOD, THEN HE TOO WILL UNDERGO CHANGES. That is, it is not taken as an argument.<

[Ольга Лагуза]

I do not. Here you gushing )))

You are a dreamer, however
I have a good mood, and there were several occasions throughout the day, so that in itself try to judge

[мимоходом]

AND HOW THEN to BE WITH YOUNG ANIMALS, THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH CONSCIOUSNESS whatever AFTER the BIRTH to get UP AND GO to EAT?

Okay, I rephrase - newborns can't do (mind), and adults can. Turns out newborns is no consciousness, and adults have.

I didn't reflect on it, though, I think that they are thinking, awareness of self, closer to animal than to man, but it doesn't tell me about the absence of consciousness, only the lack of communication with him in this life.

This is not to say that there is no connection with consciousness. Down syndrome is always (always!) the extra chromosome. This is pure biology. What's the connection with someone or something fictional? You want to say that the extra chromosome prevents any individual from human consciousness to contact him? By the way, the idea itself, separate from human consciousness - is quite schizophrenic. Well, they say, is man, his body is there, you can touch touch. But somewhere there is an invisible "friend" called the human consciousness. Which a person controls... Together with the theory of thought forms that control people from the outside is already two feet to the psychiatrist's office.

But please answer, does the aura disappears, or at least a piece of it, along with the cut off part on the physical plane?

The aura is an electromagnetic field. It is spherical in nature. And consciousness is not true, it is also the radiation of the body heat, the relief of excess.

I can't talk about the separation of the hemispheres, and, in General, is a pathology here and that the science itself is floating, but consciousness is not relevant to consciousness, to the consciousness it is to admit.

What is the pathology? Take a normal person to cut the corpus callosum and it will be two people. Everything is very simple. It turns out that consciousness is in the brain. Divided and became two of consciousness.

CONSCIOUS PERSON, IF you PUT IN a DARK ROOM FOR the PERIOD of CHILDHOOD, THEN HE TOO will UNDERGO CHANGES. That is, it is not taken as an argument.

We are not talking about change. You say there is some kind of consciousness separate from the brain. So, if a newborn locked indoors and not to develop 20 years - the end result is the beast. With almost zero consciousness<

[Ольга Лагуза]

a Good

I'm up to tomorrow. Good Night

[Ольга Лагуза]

now, if the newborn locked indoors and not to develop 20 years - the end result is the beast. With almost zero consciousness

What's the point of talking about the impossible? The newborn is not locked in a room for 20 years, therefore we don't know what happens. Firstly it is not possible to do without a mother, he will die, and secondly, much depends on the mother that she will give him, as will provide an understanding of what is happening, and then who knows, maybe it will be the saints and not the beast. In one place two people and get different results.

the Aura is the electromagnetic field. It is spherical in nature. And consciousness is not true, it is also the radiation of the body heat, the relief of excess.

From the material you start speaking about the discharge of excess? But the aura, Auric Egg precedes the physical body, as well, and more in man, is the oldest part of us, is a Shadow inherited from Ancestors, Petrov, Lights, this is the quickening principle of any sheath.

[мимоходом]

What's the point of talking about the impossible? The newborn is not locked in a room for 20 years, therefore we don't know what happens.

There are plenty of real examples of this, although not to this extent. In all cases, when man was separated from society - he was mildly mentally retarded. Even in modern Russia there are such cases, when an adult is developed for 6-7 years. If the human brain is not developed, then the mind has not developed. Because consciousness is the brain. But if it were a separate person in any environment to develop fully.

You are repelled from the material speaking about the discharge of excess? But the aura, Auric Egg precedes the physical body, as well, and more in man, is the oldest part of us, is a Shadow inherited from Ancestors, Petrov, Lights, this is the quickening principle of any sheath.

Here Again... read a lot of nonsense. It's not your thoughts. Currently working in the role of gramophone records - simply copy-paste with some rearrangement of words. And if you think? Where did you get that Auric Egg precedes the physical body? Oh, I read... Probably from Blavatsky.

[мимоходом]

You know, Olga... Bookish knowledge - it is dead. And people book knowledge; he's dead. It's just a machine, a machine that reproduces the wrong thoughts.

Sense something... and the Development of zero, as well as creativity. But you better bring your world, your model of the universe the envy of all. To up there said - "well, the test pinned, well, let's again go down, saguchi the same." If schizophrenia is so bright, not sluggish imitation. Here Bold, for example, well done, he comes up with ))