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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Tue Jan 19, 2010 16:09

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Андрей Патрушев wrote: Faith Faith - hatred. Initially, the belief is based on the relationship of children and parents (S. Wolin "the Dark side of the inner child"). The majority in this belief and live up to the end of his days... Pray for something to materiale, comply with the rites in the hope of a special mercy for it...
well,my grandfather was in the clergy Pravoslavnoi Church.when the revolution occurred,he chose earthly existence.became a Soviet man.for all his life he has never hinted on a religious theme,at least to me.the only thing that reminded him of his pre-revolutionary past.so this is a small rosary of those that pray Athos monks,hidden away at the bottom of the immense grandfather's wallet.I was born in a completely atheistic family,in the house, not a word about faith,well ,cakes for Easter and Christmas pudding for Christmas I think all the cook...another reason to get drunk the little white pig squeal...I would not sleep nor spirit.the yoga,samizdatovsky books...then studied with many teachers in India...about how to perceive the faith of the fathers speech and it was not because they were atheist-the Soviet people....16 years later from the start of yoga classes I have had,it is fashionable to speak of "mystical experience".to put it mildly. I have 3 of the day was "everywhere" and seen "everything". from the premature burial Supervisory saved me an emergency room physician. he drew attention to the fact that I could not breathe,but nothing comes out and not addled 30-degree heat without being in the fridge :) .and b I'm not talking :lol: ...I saw everything,but nobody could lay a log myself and everything.trying to feel the pulse,the doctor feebly waved his hand:"let him lie down" and the ambulance left...but it's not about that...after that experience,I somehow did not open ,like the Legion to me,no Providensky schools and cults,just go to the nearest Church and asked to have me baptized ;) ...I'm already in the moment is not believed,but knew -- such is the tale that do not fit into your and S. Wolin,theory.
somehow I was born knowing what to pray about material--bad.... az
Any experience, including the most that ninaest mystical, modulated by life experience, beliefs, values and attitudes. Mystical experience, like extrasensory perception for untrained people (with irregular tonal - Castaneda) is a strongly restrictive factor. Even the ancient Romans liked to say: "See then believe"... :?
You, by the way, rushed to dispute anything in my statement, it seems, did not even really realizing that they themselves wanted to say, and very definitely not even trying to understand what I wrote (and Wolin, of course, not read)... :?<

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Post by Guest » Tue Jan 19, 2010 16:28

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Any experience, including the most that ninaest mystical, modulated by life experience, beliefs, values and attitudes.
Including the life experience, beliefs, values and attitudes of past lives. :)

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Post by Логик » Tue Jan 19, 2010 17:33

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Mystical experience, like extrasensory perception for untrained people (with irregular tonal - Castaneda) is a strongly restrictive factor.
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Post by Савл » Wed Jan 20, 2010 19:01

A strange dialogue!? Became like a dialogue with the Logic:
Хозяин wrote:...prociv,will be surprised to learn WHAT and HOW you happen to be believe it.
Do I believe correctly just read the Typicon?

TYPICON - the liturgical book containing detailed instruction of what days and hours when the Divine service and in what order should read or sing the prayers contained in the Missal, the book of Hours, the Octoechos and other liturgical books.

Your questions about the Master... do I need to answer them? I think not! The Typicon is a consequence of faith, not Vice versa.
Хозяин wrote:... on the basis of what document are you talking about what is and what is not...
I wrote that you can not talk like you do. You can't use your formula:
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Хозяин wrote:... John Chrysostom.and he was talking about inadmissibility conjectural interpretation of dreamsand not that lucidity in the dream invalid

Therefore, what the Bible said and Fathers were not mentioned - can you? This formula is the devil commonly uses words via the media to accept new values or new, complex terms. Thus, for example, heroin is not a forbidden thing.
The dream is real, but it's not reality. The dream takes place in our mind where born and live all our illusions. To extend the range of the illusions of man - dreaming - I think the real victory is of the devil.
About Joseph's dreams say: it was a gift of God. The gift of is given God, and is not taken the will of man. The gift was given for a definite purpose of God, not Joseph. Gift - to dream, and interpret dreams. Make sense and a difference.
You're talking about DreamStalker write like this device can do wishing Joseph. Do you think God dreams more convenient for us to send via DreamStalker, no instrument He can't do?
It is possible to abuse in different ways on its nature, forced to take what we can not. But is it useful? Do I need to distort nature? Like: "God, since you did not give me, then I'll take (anything)!"
Хозяин wrote:let us when you will respond to my posts with the words "fathers teach blah-blah-blah" you will,in my weakness,to give you exact link.
Хозяин wrote:after all, it is forbidden since the Establishment of the Apostolic Church.and in violation of these prohibitions is blasphemy against the Holy spirit
Give you a link, be kind, and that's just not fair.

... however, you can not answer. You baptized, but not Orthodox, you sympathize with Orthodoxy. You know that there is a God, but it is not faith. It is necessary not just to believe in God, and believe God is important.
The child does not just believe in mother and father, he believes they are acting on their word. And through this learns how to live and survive!
so faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (ROM.10:17)<

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Post by Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:41

Андрей Патрушев wrote: Any experience, including the most that ninaest mystical, modulated by life experience, beliefs, values and attitudes. Mystical experience, like extrasensory perception for untrained people (with irregular tonal - Castaneda) is a strongly restrictive factor. Even the ancient Romans liked to say: "See then believe"... :?
You, by the way, rushed to dispute anything in my statement, it seems, did not even really realizing that they themselves wanted to say, and very definitely not even trying to understand what I wrote (and Wolin, of course, not read)... :?
no,I'm not challenged much.you had postulate that the belief is acquired by experience parents.in other words,the Catholics are right that at the age of 13 are confirmed-confirmation of their faith,first communion.I do not really agree with this, and tried clumsily to describe how I somehow believe in God,despite the ultra-atheistic environment.so I always knew where I do not know what to pray for awarding me the Lenin scholarship ,to put it mildly,bad.nepravilno.and following my abortive departure to the hereafter only confirmed my assumptions.now live like that in from a movie:"you don't believe--you know all right."therefore,it is 11 years old, I particularly nothing the psycho-Ezo-modernist not read.I read almost as much,if not more, books as the authors of "the writings of the new time."life is wonderful,trying all this time to live like everyone else here,the devices and programs your-very fine....
by the way,Carlos described quite hostile to man system,which is slightly adapted to the person.Castaneda now the standard which are equal to,but it about what does not.people also drink methyl alcohol,despite the threat of blindness....

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 13:41

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Carlos described quite hostile to man system,which is slightly adapted to the person.Castaneda now the standard which are equal to,but it about what does not.people also drink methyl alcohol,despite the threat of blindness....
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Post by Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик » Thu Jan 21, 2010 14:53

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on what basis the conclusion about the "past lives"?in the Vedas it is not. neither Atharva Veda(oldest Veda) nor in the rig Veda.no,citizens,moreover,in the Atharva Veda there is inappropriate for the modern Hindu and Buddhist brand Christian view:"the current,earthly life is only a temporary stage for every person to death transition into life eternal."reincarnation entered Hinduism because of the expansion of Buddhism in India.The yoga sutras of Patanjali--only fragments lost,in fact,a polemic against Buddhism and in favor of the traditional Indian way of life.the first review of this book,Masabacha develops further this debate.but it's not about that.none of the classic yogic text(Gherardeschi,Yoga Sutras,Shiva Samhita,Gorakshakar,Siddha, and Paddhati,"Large" Upanishads)never obnovlyaetsya about transmigration of souls.moreover,if time-turning ,the reincarnation vzaimodestvie karmic principle. and the karmic principle stems from the Ashrams--the traditional way of life of the Indian society of the times "uslyshany" and "remembering" of the Vedas.from him nowhere to go...so,reincarnation--false ;)
generally,the planting of the faith in reincarnation is one of the above,it is fashionable to speak Advanced Esoteric,Higher powers(along with the phenomenon of "Samadhi"),in order to avoid the crowds of human souls marching "in Paradise".and the man thinks:"well,I'm plump,sex with bearded men,fun and shudder...so what?will be 100 years Loshadka,and then,"having burnt karma",I will become human again"...very convenient,but unfortunately does not work.

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Post by Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик » Thu Jan 21, 2010 15:05

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you say that,because I in your own words disrupt and cozy your ideas about how and what you believe.and it's not even in the Typicon.you criticize me,but you are so right,and you have time to stay on here in the forum 5-10 in the morning,I have an indelicate question,but you have a habit of attending service in the Temple?it just happens this time...if you go to early Matins and Liturgy,then you can easily go to work after that :lol: but at this time you are at the computer :cry: .so,in order to trim your criticism of mine :ay
God bless him,with the Typicon and the Canons.decrees of the Ecumenical Councils and the Apostolic Institutions.Creed-remember? az
so, what the Bible said and Fathers were not mentioned - can you? This formula is the devil commonly uses words via the media to accept new values or new, complex terms. Thus, for example, heroin is not a forbidden thing.
...somehow, I don't know what "smack".about where you know it--I can only guess..how do you know so well--what and how does the devil?what is not mentioned in the Bible?for me,the Decalogue and the Beatitudes is quite sufficient even for modern man.they're comprehensive.so what's the hitch turns out.

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Post by Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик » Thu Jan 21, 2010 15:16

Савл wrote:I wrote that you can not talk like you do. You can't use your formula:
why not?if the St. Gregory the Sinaite and of Simeon Katafygiotis meet direct regulations to reduce night-time sleep for gaining success in prayer, and what if in the 5th century was not the battery "the Energizer" and by photosonix,so now is not the time to use it to achieve good goals achievements of scientific-technical progress?but you're not brushing your teeth in the morning ash or birch twigs and work drive the bus,not on a donkey.and house probably have a microwave....
... however, you can not answer. You baptized, but not Orthodox, you sympathize with Orthodoxy. You know that there is a God, but it is not faith. It is necessary not just to believe in God, and believe God is important.
here I agree with you.the sin of pride is not in my nature,in spite of all the prerequisites :lol: on the weakness of their struggle against sinful thoughts and sinful aspirations.always remember that "none of us are sinless,only the Lord God..."....that's only in your crystal clear true Orthodox words clearly sounding phrases that are appropriate walking recruiters Jehovah's witnesses than for prostorage Orthodox person...again:save yourself and around you thousands will be saved"...or do you "already"? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: az

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Post by Нетрезвый Сурдопереводчик » Thu Jan 21, 2010 15:33

Saul
please enlighten the neophyte dark...you wrote:
This message is for those who are lost and forgotten. Now do you believe in drives and other crap, and God is forgotten. Just Wake up.
.by simple logic,if I brush my teeth twice a day every day with a toothbrush "Reach the Inter dental" and the toothpaste "Forest Balsam",then by your logic ,I now believe,and God did I forget?I also use the car and also every day going to and from work...cool..."I believe in Mercedes,not afraid of the word,our Daimler,Benz"...Oh,cool-what...and when you do POLIKLINIKE in UHF,so you bow to that infernal machine,go to physiotherapy,go into the booth and--well, bows to lay,but the victim to bring....
but I remember you 4 simple question was asked a few pages back,the answer,it seems,will not wait.and why not go into casuistry,among Christians, adherents of the latter are the Jesuits and the believers of all styles.
by the way,in no case do not wash linen with detergent "Ariel" and "Tide",if you have children,do not let them eat and drink anything that is produced company "Pepsi" and "Coca-Cola"(and it's not just soda)--the owners and top "command structure" of these companies(Oh!forgot "Procter n gamble" are either in Scientology,or the Church of Satan LaVey sh. az
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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 15:55

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I read Your posts and enjoy :ay More such people on the forum. And thank you for the opportunity to reflect and look at this subject from a different angle!

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Post by Guest » Thu Jan 21, 2010 16:14

Dimas

I do not agree. No need of such messages on the forum. They do not carry anything useful, creative, spiritual...
The usual verbiage.

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 16:27

Anonymous wrote:Dimas

I do not agree. No need of such messages on the forum. They do not carry anything useful, creative, spiritual...
The usual verbiage.
Strange that just me that it seems the opposite :) for example, I got a huge favor. And for me posts Owners useful, creative and spiritual. His experience will be useful to many here present.

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Post by Шалтай Балтай » Thu Jan 21, 2010 17:05

Dimas wrote: for example, I got a huge favor.
for example?

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 17:15

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For example ,I was not informed about the status of "reincarnation" in ancient Hinduism. And this is one of the "important" facts that operate esotericism, referring to the Council of Nicaea, it was decided "to withdraw" is a concept from the Christian worldview. an incentive and direction for further exploration and study:) about castanedan...In General these thoughts for me are not new, but the Owner digestible and fun they have presented. On the other hand I prefer the path of knowledge, not blind faith, which, in my mind, and was the author for they know Something from their own experience (living and spiritual).

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Post by Guest » Thu Jan 21, 2010 17:44

Dimas wrote:His experience will be useful to many here present.
I doubt that foreign experience can be useful to someone.
Except as food for the restless mind.
In the furnace of parrots and verbiage! :)

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 18:16

Anonymous wrote:
Dimas wrote:His experience will be useful to many here present.
I doubt that foreign experience can be useful to someone.
Except as food for the restless mind.
In the furnace of parrots and verbiage! :)
Well, then the book is not worth reading, and the school with the Institute is also can not go, and why-food for the restless mind :lol: 8)

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Post by Guest » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:22

Dimas

You are confusing education with spiritual development.
That's when the schools will teach the "law of God" - then go to school is not worth it.

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:24

Anonymous wrote:Dimas

You are confusing education with spiritual development.
That's when the schools will teach the "law of God" - then go to school is not worth it.
well, well...

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Post by Guest » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:32

Dimas wrote:well, well...
Here http://www.kab.tv/rus watch, listen and enjoy. More such sites on the Internet.
There is something to ponder. :)

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:36

Anonymous wrote:
Dimas wrote:well, well...
Here http://www.kab.tv/rus watch, listen and enjoy. More such sites on the Internet.
There is something to ponder. :)
well, Yes,of course 8) there is something,and Christianity means nothing?! :?

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Post by Guest » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:40

Dimas wrote:well, Yes,of course there is something,and Christianity means nothing?!
Is there... to the heap :) to the question about the verbiage and restless mind.

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Post by Dimas » Thu Jan 21, 2010 19:41

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In this world you need to hang out and get pleasure from life and exciting interests - and not to ruin her in the Church lalaaa true)))

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Post by Шалтай Балтай » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:09

Dimas wrote:Well ,for example, I was not informed about the status of "reincarnation" in ancient Hinduism.
:-)
In such cases, you need at least the primary sources to read
If he encouraged You to read is good.

IMHO
Regarding Christianity, I strongly advise you to read "gospel of Barnabas"
In Russian do not even look
here: http://barnabas.net/
it is possible to argue much
but after protenia for disputes of a place almost does not remain. :-)

PS
Bondage IMHO corresponds to its name - the sect :-)
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