This forum destroys faith in God!

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But he asked for expanded explanations. It was this.

What an imagination, though!

And who is psychotic?

Clearly you have, Logik!
You first set the tone for this thread! In the first response! And there you confirm your faith in disks:

Now do you believe in drives and other crap

yeah, and even worship them.

and God have forgotten.

And you, judging by your nick, the Jewish God serve?

And the essence of his you do not hide

to make Fun of, that is over Christians?!...

I hope that the attentive reader will not leave it all unnoticed, will see what kind of followers here some ideas.

Logikthis forum does not harm you. You have no faith, destroy nothing.

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But he asked for expanded explanations. It was this.

What an imagination, though!

Here is a quote from correspondence:

what About "Punisher" you say?

You can not read? I clearly wrote - Jehovah-Savaof - the Jewish God.

Hereinafter is a detailed explanation.

And who is psychotic?

Clearly you have, Logik!

How would you like it,but:
You are the first to set the tone of this thread, starting it! Like priest, like parish. What question is the answer. The topic you started in a stupid tone, and zero semantic content. But are unwilling to bear responsibility for it. What is sown, then shrugged.
And the idiotic nonsense that you wrote, at the same time, the section from Patrushev?Also to remind you? Where you, allegedly, several times removed. Where you yelled, threatened calling to come back to your God. Who wants, can read.

And there you confirm your faith in disks:

Now do you believe in drives and other crap

yeah, and even worship them.

and God have forgotten.

And you, judging by your nick, the Jewish God serve?

Only a complete idiot will not catch the irony. Gee...
Reaffirm their faith in the drives. Where the world is heading?! Crazy trying to diagnose...

And the essence of his you do not hide

to make Fun of, that is over Christians?!...

I hope that the attentive reader will not leave it all unnoticed, will see what kind of followers here some ideas.

You already feel the hot breath of the devil at his ear? Yes, we are...And what are you doing in our underworld?

Logikthis forum does not harm you. You have no faith, destroy nothing.

How, and by your words, faith in CDs and other crap?
Have thought up themselves and canceled?<

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I'll admit that my first post is not successful in its wording. He does have small meaning.
However, my dear Logik, "stupid tone" is your personal judgment, your condition. You at its sole discretion, attach the "tone" of each topic.

let me Remind you that the topic is about faith in God:

Faith is a gift of God.
But faith can be lost. Therefore, to have faith is harder than losing it.
Reasons for loss of faith are many, but one of the main lzheimennogo the knowledge that through lies and deception kills the faith and allows the cooling, apostasy, bitterness, unbelief.

Knowledge consists of knowledge. If people reject the knowledge of knowing, the their faith is based on evidence of their own mind and feelings, and this-worldly faith.
Peace has faith. This is worldly faith. He believes in what he wants to believe that it is beneficial, or that draws the imagination and representation. Such faith is alien to the truth, because she completely destroys her. This belief can hide behind different words: atheism (the belief that there is no God), tradition (based on the stories and words of someone), etc.

I underlined what brings forum.
Not all faith is saving, because: "the devils also believe, and tremble".

oddly enough, but to lose faith easily. And it begins first of all with the fact that we cease to see and to serve the living God and gradually begin to serve a dead God, an idol. Accordingly, you, praying, and serving the idol, I don't feel the impact and support, but on the contrary, death and the void. Because of this, faith leaves, and replaced by a living faith faith dead. But since man cannot depart from God and go in peace, living faith, serving a living God, becomes the law, fulfilling it, if you want them. Only this life is imaginary and untrue, because only God can give life, for He is the essence of it.

About this and more believersyou can read here.
(I to this resource are irrelevant, just found it in the Internet. Wasn't found when I wrote the topic, now.)

For it is written, behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious; and believer in Him shall not be ashamed.
so It is for you, the faithful, the jewelbut for unbelievers, the stone which the builders rejected but which has become the cornerstone, a stone of stumbling and rock of offence, on which they stumble, do not disobey the word of what they left behind. ( 1 pet.2:6-8 )<

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He believes the people on this forum, written in the literature of psychology: the PHILOSOPHY of søren KIERKEGAARD (KIERKEGAARD)
Who is the therapist, and what methods it is clear I hope?

currently, there are at least two preconditions that influence the effectiveness of psychotherapeutic sessions. This is, firstly, the belief of the patient in their therapist and, secondly, belief in the efficacy of existing methods [7; 18-24].

Subjective feelings of the patient about the occurrence of the desired result, the improvement of his condition and the statements of the patient about what "getting better" are not objective criteria. Conclusion the patient that "better" is considered by the doctor as the onset of the "nearest effect" – the effect of psychological help, but not as therapeutic or pharmaceutical. The "next effect" from the standpoint of self-perception may indeed be emotionally positive in nature: communicate with him, to say, "Potter", "coddled" like mother, help him, discuss his problems, indicate possible solutions to problems.

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However, my dear Logician

this is something I, miyachi? You have me clearly confused.

the"stupid tone" is your personal judgment, your condition.

A condescending smile to your address from other members of the forum, you is not alarming?

You at its sole discretion, attach the "tone" of each topic.

All the topics I don't even read. (from Wikipedia: the Topic on the Internet (and some other fields) — a topic discussed in the forum, blog.)

Who is the therapist, and what methods it is clear I hope?

Is it clear now?
- "Ah, would know, would know - took the stretcher!.."
Put the robe on the doctor's place and go back to the house.

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in General,not right here.and thoroughly learned the Slavs(nu-nu)Logikwhich details did not study because there is no need--wait so many books and movies,the main,all "in the subject."and Saul which physiotherapy(CDs and MM--physical therapy,ask the founders of the forum)celebrait faith.this faith is such that guidance through the periphery of the alpha rhythm can shake?and from mustard plasters and paracetamol you, too, begins to sway in the faith?and the Owner(I) is also wrong."do not read sermons to the fish and not cast pearls ".the debate is groundless.other "Yes-men" screaming "pluigin!,Bob steers ,and Kohl's no"...there is nothing to say-be silent is better.with Christmas,new year and the circumcision of the Lord Wishywashy

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and from mustard plasters and paracetamol you, too, begins to sway in the faith?

No. Mustard plasters and paracetamol treat the body. But, for example, homeopathy is not so unambiguous. A MM and drives at all directly affect the rhythm of the brain, in perception, in attitude. All this is abundantly commented upon the subjective feelings of the forum, fueling the mystical expectations of our imagination.

All things are lawful but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful but not all things edify. (1Cor.10:23)

It's one thing when a medical professional prescribes treatment. It's quite another thing when we are addicted to his Hoca unknown and inaccessible to us benefits based on the reviews of Amateurs.

let them alone: they blind leaders of the blind; and if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the pit. (Matt.15:14)

Take, for example, dreams, i.e., dreams. Here on the forum, a special machine for the reinforcing of the dream is promoted. Try to find out (Via the net is simple. I don't want to give here the answers.), what he says about dreams the patristic teaching?

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hehe..and what it says? .I'm afraid you wait I directly much do not like...because I don't need "just through the Internet,"the Fathers I've read,back when the Internet was just a dream ....brain,your not a body? prove me wrong.and here,for example,put the mustard,a local increase in temperature causes an inflow of blood,causing the relative change of consciousness.paracetamol affects the liver,spleen and pancreas.it affects(in high doses, inhibits) the exchange veshestva overdose death what is inhibited to the minimum the exchange.metabolism changes the state of mind of the "wicked one":lol: yogis,when they fall into godless Samadhi,the metabolism is quenched to a minimum. so you're better than them,when you drink a pill?
understand broadcasting here, "grandma's Orthodoxy" and the views from the sites every standard-bearers,you discredit the faith before the anti-Christian audience,since you are concerned about it. missionary work-the art.
read the forum,people solve health problems,a mentality,does not solve such global problems as you describe.that.there's a lot of descriptions wstiac and "flight-know-where"?Yes, any person.which will get better sleep(without an alarm clock will Wake up at the same time),will improve the production of endorphins(just do not want to drink and smoke,so don't say that you don't smoke and don't allow "small-white" ) that such person may not believe in God?again,believe in God, not only Orthodox Christians of the Moscow Patriarchate.to argue on this subject I don't want to.just take it for granted
and with dreams,so it simply.many,who needs the devil--he's already sitting in their backpack...there are people.who do not want to be saved.it is their right.the desire to "escape all" entitled to our Lord....
even I was annoyed the mountain rescue people from the forum to the forum.I agree.these people forget the words:"Save yourself and around you thousands will be saved"
about Dreamstalker...you wonder why people get involved in these "Lucid dreams".it's simple.sleep's not cutting,not "little death",it is quite difficult,complex process which happens in an unconscious state.not all accepted that 8-10 hours every day are like this.maybe someone just wants to extend the awareness and sleeping?
The Holy Fathers I will then I will not write .about dreams, I remember saying John Chrysostom.and he was talking about inadmissibility conjectural interpretation of dreamsand not that lucidity in the dream is invalid...otherwise,those Fathers who became the prayer and being delighted with the Spirit stayed in it for two or three days should be deleted from all Patericons and Atechnical...by the way,read "Otechnik"--reduce brains worse MM <

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Saul
by the way,the Typicon(for those who are in the tank,this--the Church's Charter)has not yet lifted the bans:
a)to be treated by a doctor-pagan
b)to buy products and things from the seller-pagan
C)to be in the company of Gentiles.
nowthe answer at least these three ban in the affirmative:"Yes,I didn't do it" and thus you will not say true

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Friends,well, since here the theme of faith,it is interesting to know how people do stanovitsa believers to explain that the MRC is a psychological language?maybe someone else knew a priest,or someone in child the kitten drowned,and now the conscience soothing?here I am disliking the ROC and Legkov explained why.can be uvajaemye Saul ktmtalk better stanovitsa,and at first I thought that faith from lessons with MM Ukraina,and then Vice versa, something inside began to stir .But can be hosaina will be identically the same,if incessant zanimatsa with MM.visible traps are usually unprecedented,especially for the soul,and just as easily you it will notposted.

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Dear Guest! "As a person becomes a believer?"- an interesting topic, but not for discussion here. A lot of you will find on the Internet if you want.
About the trap - are you at the point!

the Ownerfrom: the Typicon: I confess - not studied, but... also not the topic.
About paracetamol and a change of consciousness: fed the hungry (already) be ignorant, and the metabolism changes and the righteous and the wicked... You all in another topic trying to switch the account.

... John Chrysostom.and he was talking about inadmissibility conjectural interpretation of dreamsand not that lucidity in the dream invalid

Therefore, what the Bible said and Fathers were not mentioned - can you? This formula is the devil commonly uses words via the media to accept new values or new, complex terms. Thus, for example, heroin is not a forbidden thing.

sleep's not cutting,not "little death",it is quite difficult,complex the process that takes place in unconscious condition.not all accepted that 8-10 hours every day are like this.maybe someone just wants to extend the awareness and sleeping? (emphasis mine)

The Holy fathers teach practicing night vigil, and then - to sleep consciously. What to do with the conscious unconscious? Isn't it interpreted?

That's right!

"Otechnik"--reduce brains worse MM

In fact I am about it!
I suggest to see interesting art.movie: ru/Video/%D5%F3%E4%EE%E6%E5%F1%F2%E2%E5%ED%ED%FB%E5/%C8%E7%EC%E5%ED%FF%FE%F9%E8%E9%20%E2%F0%E5%EC%FF.wmv">Changing time (wmv 201 MB). - that our lives had excluded God.<

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Saul
I do marvel at you,how you live ,seeing and evaluating everything through the prism of your religion.At first I thought you kidding,but now it becomes clear how it all started.I remember saying,tell the fool to pray to God,he hurt his forehead.
You have to love yourself,don't listen to you fathers.Do not breast-torture.Silly that it impossible to think.And at night, go to sleep.Night vigils are harmful to health.

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Yes, feel sorry for myself, but the truth is more interesting and more expensive. Only you should not think that I do not love yourself. Just the opposite. And to live with God much more interesting than without It. In life, everything in its place becomes, life becomes conscious, and meaningful.
And you, for example, reading "the Seagull named Jonathan Livingston Seagull"?
And on the bill "harmful"here:
life is a deadly sexually transmitted disease.

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No, I have not read.
That's what you read about the seagulls - "the Man who loved seagulls", Osho. Of devil books you are reading?
You are confusing life with God does not mean life with religion.
Religiosity and religion are two different things.View from the same of Osho.

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Osho - Jesus - God. Faith is only one; not divided.
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all your soul and with all your mind: this is the first and great commandment; the second is like it: love your neighbor as yourself. (Matt.22:37-39 )
and
Jesus said to them: behold the work of God, that ye believe on him Whom He has sent. ( Jn.6:29 )
And on account of

devil Or books you are reading?

Read. A lot. You were looking for. Found The Gospel.

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I am better itself I will love with all my heart.I am a part of God,he is in me.
Probably Jesus meant that.But your religion made a God out of him. Judging from the above quote,it is.
Why would I want to live,worshiping someone else.
Why do you all quotes siplite.Write by himself.Your thoughts.I'm not Jesus communicate well with you.
And then all he said they are taught,and where his own head?

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Saul
anyway,all this talk from the series "what is wisdom???get up,fool!"(you know whose these words are? )
let us when you will respond to my posts with the words "fathers teach blah-blah-blah" you will,in my weakness,to give you exact link.what father and when recommended to expel mindmachine of our existence?generally,you would just say that PR a film,and is not dissolved here HOROVENKO agitation.discredit the Faith,the Russian language, I say to you Amen.not only that,has put himself in a hysterically-funny light.I count myself among the believers,faith is inherent in human DNA...but I laugh at all these attempts to rasaritului "infidels."study of the Typicon,this does not necessarily get into dusty tomes on the top shelves of libraries.a lot of books in a large modern (Internet)stores that sell Christian and liturgical literature.the network is full(in www.google.com you seem to have not zabanili).in the army,you know,learn the statutes by heart,you consider yourself a Soldier of Christ?here and read...prociv,will be surprised to learn WHAT and HOW you happen to be believe it.
again,honest discussion suggests that both men cringe.in Russian, the expression "conscious sleep" is not the same as "to interpret dreams".what do you do with the prophet Daniel?or in reading the Bible you have is the book is not reached?read...if not reached eitai,read about how to interpret the Pharaoh's dreams, Joseph, it is in the Bible a little earlier.
and in General,on the basis of what document are you talking about what is and what is not from what is not mentioned in the Bible?and ispolnaet do you what is written in it?not satisfied with(I)a latrine inside the dwelling?in your apartment there is at least a WC?and Deuteronomy it is forbidden.(here I know you will answer me).again why some of your sentences, you give me reason to think that you are a member of a Protestant denomination.even if it is not,then your words give grounds to think me.you know what is the principle of"sola scriptura"?
the subject I ain't switched,you are able to clearly answer my questions.can you recall:
1)you do not in any way do not change their state of consciousness?(not engaged in carnal intercourse,do not drink analgesics and trankvillizatory when you do that hurts,not blood transfusions,not using hypnotics (anti)histamines etc)
2)you are not being treated by a doctor-the heathen(Jew)?(I know the religion of your local therapist)
3)you don't buy products and food from the seller-the heathen(Jew) ?
4)don't eat (say,in an office canteen or at a stall with Shawarma) with the Gentiles?
after all, it is forbidden since the Establishment of the Apostolic Church.and in violation of these prohibitions is blasphemy against the Holy spirit <

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Friends,well, since here the theme of faith,it is interesting to know how people do stanovitsa believers to explain that the MRC is a psychological language?maybe someone else knew a priest,or someone in child the kitten drowned,and now the conscience soothing?here I am disliking the ROC and Legkov explained why.can be uvajaemye Saul ktmtalk better stanovitsa,and at first I thought that faith from lessons with MM Ukraina,and then Vice versa, something inside began to stir .But can be hosaina will be identically the same,if incessant zanimatsa with MM.visible traps are usually unprecedented,especially for the soul,and just as easily you it will notposted.

somehow be without Albany,huh?without pre-drinking stopisyat. in man the whole "software"(faith,different skills and abilities)has been installed from the moment of conception.God created man in his own image and Likeness.this does not mean that we are all Gods.radish in the eye....in normal Soviet man to 25 years only the originally installed software is not visible behind the piles of mental fekal.the brain of the average "neolobites" like the stupid computer pergidrolevaya of surcharge some legalized godfather--he's all "viruses" and "Trojans".the fact that among the "dislike Christianity" is full of "crazy father"incapable of mental effort,used to look for wide and comfortable paths,latent homosexual is not news.with age Ecoproject,if you're lucky from ecstasy to die in the toilet of a disco...most of Terry nedolyublivaya PTS my age,and I believe,long ago exchanged the 5th decade,already forgot her acidic views and cheap rags from Goa,and are now trying to pray the offense
you see ,guest,I will not be "the same" that of Saul.I love the details and childhood possess rare among men the ability to understand things as they are....

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I am better itself I will love with all my heart.I am a part of God,he is in me.
Probably Jesus meant that.But your religion made a God out of him. Judging from the above quote,it is.
Why would I want to live,worshiping someone else.
Why do you all quotes siplite.Write by himself.Your thoughts.I'm not Jesus communicate well with you.
And then all he said they are taught,and where his own head?

"Don't build me temples, where you remembered about me, and there I am with you" (I. Kh.)

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Friends,well, since here the theme of faith,it is interesting to know how people do stanovitsa believers to explain that the MRC is a psychological language?maybe someone else knew a priest,or someone in child the kitten drowned,and now the conscience soothing?here I am disliking the ROC and Legkov explained why.can be uvajaemye Saul ktmtalk better stanovitsa,and at first I thought that faith from lessons with MM Ukraina,and then Vice versa, something inside began to stir .But can be hosaina will be identically the same,if incessant zanimatsa with MM.visible traps are usually unprecedented,especially for the soul,and just as easily you it will notposted.

Faith Faith - hatred. Initially, the belief is based on the relationship of children and parents (S. Wolin "the Dark side of the inner child"). The majority in this belief and live up to the end of his days... Pray for something to materiale, comply with the rites in the hope of a special mercy for it...

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the Question is not whether to choose between truth and illusion, because all doors that have just come in from the outside, are the illusion. The truth within us. It is in the heart of the seeker. And if one door says "Illusion" and the other says "Truth", don't worry about getting to choose between them. Both illusory. The truth is, you do. The truth is your very consciousness. Osho

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Never anybody did not ask what is right and what is wrong. Life - experiment, during which it should find out... Osho

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Jesus said: Let one who seeks not cease to seek until, until he finds and when he finds, he will be shocked, and if he is struck, he will be surprised and he will reign over all.

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Faith Faith - hatred. Initially, the belief is based on the relationship of children and parents (S. Wolin "the Dark side of the inner child"). The majority in this belief and live up to the end of his days... Pray for something to materiale, comply with the rites in the hope of a special mercy for it...

well,my grandfather was in the clergy Pravoslavnoi Church.when the revolution occurred,he chose earthly existence.became a Soviet man.for all his life he has never hinted on a religious theme,at least to me.the only thing that reminded him of his pre-revolutionary past.so this is a small rosary of those that pray Athos monks,hidden away at the bottom of the immense grandfather's wallet.I was born in a completely atheistic family,in the house, not a word about faith,well ,cakes for Easter and Christmas pudding for Christmas I think all the cook...another reason to get drunk the little white pig squeal...I would not sleep nor spirit.the yoga,samizdatovsky books...then studied with many teachers in India...about how to perceive the faith of the fathers speech and it was not because they were atheist-the Soviet people....16 years later from the start of yoga classes I have had,it is fashionable to speak of "mystical experience".to put it mildly. I have 3 of the day was "everywhere" and seen "everything". from the premature burial Supervisory saved me an emergency room physician. he drew attention to the fact that I could not breathe,but nothing comes out and not addled 30-degree heat without being in the fridge .and b I'm not talking ...I saw everything,but nobody could lay a log myself and everything.trying to feel the pulse,the doctor feebly waved his hand:"let him lie down" and the ambulance left...but it's not about that...after that experience,I somehow did not open ,like the Legion to me,no Providensky schools and cults,just go to the nearest Church and asked to have me baptized ...I'm already in the moment is not believed,but knew -- such is the tale that do not fit into your and S. Wolin,theory.
somehow I was born knowing what to pray about material--bad.... <

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"Don't build me temples, where you remembered about me, and there I am with you" (I. Kh.)

where a quotation,will not prompt?I now remember the phrase:"Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am with you."but your quotes do not remember...people can get together not in someone's head,and in the desert in the wind to gather(although you can), not with your hands...this leads to the idea about the room.