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Re: Egregores

Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:17

Ольга Лагуза wrote: Conscience is an important indicator for a person. On vskidku I do not think that the Conscience is the egregore. As I do not think that the egregore has a conscience. Joke, no joke
Why does everyone think that every word and name what is Egregoros. Conscience is the inner state is the definition of morality that is impossible. But conscience is also different. Some people say , to spoil the air over the table , you remain hungry in the best case, and in others it's normal skills can and without any complaints))) Where does the conscience say ? Conscience is the measure of the assumption to himself of something....this is a manifestation of duality good and bad. And who is bad , who is right? There's like religious fans blow, and I think is good and someone bad. Conscience of them ,tell me where? And according to their understanding and the Charter of the Egregore and the actions and conscience of the same - the measure of approval of the action after assumption of thoughts-correct , wrong????? Someone like)))

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Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:23

Аине wrote:Olga, with love I understand logically, but how to be then with a pathological love, and generally with abnormalities in General. Back to the picture of the world and will give you an example, sorry, from the vulgarity, but it it bright. the love of sadomasochism or bestiality. according to my picture of the world, should become the egregore of pathology or something, I'll be thinking and give it a value. and in their picture of the world egregor of love, they do not recognize their deviations. and in the end whose there? or the example with the animals, she's all love, it does not. I'm not talking about those who are in institutions through a celebrity they have their own world in which they are Napoleon, they created him and are with him in tandem, with the egregore of Napoleon I mean, fed him their ideas, energy, and as such I egregor to perceive and call?
This is not love, understanding Spasennogo of the law, is the Conscience - a measure of its moral status. Who admits himself that...that above described , he just feeds off of energies and emotions ....and who cares for "taste" :? Take the Eastern of the country)))eat boiled , rotten eggs)), it is shocking what)) and they vkusnyatina. So here is something and what is the quality of energy receive and, therefore , some level of energy wants to fill himself. Religion and incidentally also allow some....down to repatriate that energy and feed your Egregor thereby...

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Re: Egregores

Post by Ольга Лагуза » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:28

мимоходом wrote:and the question can answer?
мимоходом wrote:a Level of reflexes differs from the conscious control of the body just goal setting. No goal setting is a reflex. There are goal-setting is not a reflex.

That's you, Olga, what the goal was when treat me with disrespect? Or not have any? )))
"Pleasant conversation" - is also quite a normal setting, do you think?
We have very different vibration passing local, and that reflexes and instincts, then imagine that instinctive becoming what we learned. It is this instinct of one person may be much higher consciousness of the other. So drop trying to Shine here than can. You fell in my face, if You are interested.

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Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:30

мимоходом wrote:And how do we know that it is not more glitches? Rose of the World - so completely in the Christian vision outlined. Heaven, hell and so on...

P. S. just a painting described in rose of the World - it has no dock at all with anything besides Christianity in its most dogmatic (traktowana, contrived) form. Beautifully described and scary places. But here on the planet for all time lived trillions of people - and no one else is described. Consequently it is a subjective interpretation of the author's personal vision, not an objective picture. Otherwise I would have been crossing with other perceptions.
I agree. That's how it should flatten from fear of this person in the chamber to such passion to write? Is that illusion in delirium? Can fever the poor man had been ill and under this impression? Or just hit bessonnica or resosnance)) in another branch of reality loss of consciousness or out of body or coma or fever due to illness? That described the world in which visited. After all it could be? And took everything for the truth. Horror, if such there where to go. And if all goes ? and whether there are those who by? and who is beautiful? Did opisoval the heavenly lights , excellent condition....and Andreev p his faith and got myself a hell of passion.

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Re: Egregores

Post by Ольга Лагуза » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:38

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:Why does everyone think that every word and name what is Egregoros. Conscience is the inner state is the definition of morality that is impossible. But conscience is also different. Some people say , to spoil the air over the table , you remain hungry in the best case, and in others it's normal skills can and without any complaints))) Where does the conscience say ? Conscience is the measure of the assumption to himself of something....this is a manifestation of duality good and bad. And who is bad , who is right? There's like religious fans blow, and I think is good and someone bad. Conscience of them ,tell me where? And according to their understanding and the Charter of the Egregore and the actions and conscience of the same - the measure of approval of the action after assumption of thoughts-correct , wrong????? Someone like)))
I think that if conscience and is included in the egregore, the karmic, because as You noticed, it is at everyone. Morality, the morality of the people are different, I think there is what may be ethnic egregors, keeping the tradition and all that.

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Post by мимоходом » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:43

we Have very different vibration passing local
Do you feel it? Or suspect? If you feel - please describe my vibration

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Post by Ольга Лагуза » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:49

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:Is it wrong for a comprehensive universal concept?????????????
I personally do not blame anything, what I am totally against, can be seen directly here in the thread :)
ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:Olga :ay it is)))!!! Initially, it is possible to bring beauty -such nogotochkami, cups tint....and then, why sell what I podkralas?)))) Here and trade here, and what kind of trade or exchange or even those fingernails and paint ??????????And so the RACE to continue because not all mochini agree to continue the RACE with not a very beautiful ....and here it is involuntarily and deception , for the sake of procreation. And that is, again, procreation!!!! HE's the who in what is ready, then we can say the manifestation of higher energies and merge them and exchange for the sake of procreation and a new man, you might say , for profit, in the form of the fun - ie the Energy of sex , makeup for we :? And they are all interrelated .
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Post by Ольга Лагуза » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:51

мимоходом wrote:do You feel it? Or suspect? If you feel - please describe my vibration
I feel that they are different... and describe anything to You personally, I will not.

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Post by мимоходом » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:57

Well, in principle you are right ))) Vibrations of aggression and friendliness are different ))

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Post by Аине » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:03

Read a lot yesterday night, that all sorts of horror dream..
You all defend your point of view like you have here Rob, and then, and then what nobody knows.

In passing, I'm not entirely decided on your point of view on all the strange and hands. and your attitude to energy as such. do you think that everything supernatural is of human origin, as the Creator himself, begins and ends with the moment of birth and at the point of care of their lives?

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Post by мимоходом » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:12

Ain, and the final terms can not be. Point of view is the narrowing of the volume of a spherical view of one small point. Full surround vision I received, but in point narrow not want again to live with a particular set of selected dogma fanatically defending them... Someone as dogma chooses Blavatsky, someone Andreeva, someone new age, someone's psychology... And I choose all together the volume of the intersection of sets ))

Well take egregors... Who saw something. It is a pure abstraction, read someone. And if initially it was kind of abstraction, a synonym for the awakened. Then the manipulators for this case put fear (wherever there is fear is manipulation, deception, divorce). Well, sort of as a terrible word, suck and milk the people. There is even a theory about this - as some evil system around captured and replaces the true reality that we see. Bold here somewhere in this side digs, the Moon scolds the conspirators, even the developer on the forum is, whose fevered mind seized "system", replacing reality into unreality and Vice versa. This is nothing more than a paranoid mindset (there is also schizophrenic and hysteroid). You need their state control and not be tempted to such extremes.

And what about the strange and supernatural... Came once to the wizard apprentice and happily says "teacher, I understood everything an illusion!!!". And his teacher and put a bamboo stick on the head. The apprentice grimaced, for what they say, that is not so... And the teacher says - if everything is an illusion, and the blow was of illusions, and the bruise on her head too.

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Post by мимоходом » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:34

in Passing, I'm not entirely decided on your point of view on all the strange and hands. and your attitude to energy as such. do you think that everything supernatural is of human origin, as the Creator himself, begins and ends with the moment of birth and at the point of care of their lives?
So you can imagine how one of the cuts: first there was nothing. Then he formed all things (God), which was embodied in the first stars (archangels) that died and exploded, creating all matter - for example in the us the atoms of the very first stars. From these atoms, God is a bit more complicated and started turning the funnel galaxies, embodied in the galaxy. And I thought - that's cool... But then again, complicated (aka from scratch all been invented, and it is not easy) and the funnel lit the stars - children of the galaxy and embodied in star, became their. Funny, he thought, so much light, so much me a lot, pure angels in heaven. Well, on the same principle planets formed, they are comets with water was inserted, the zipper protein molecules in water sbil. And eventually dokonala to a person, embodied in this 7 billion bodies and pinned under different nicknames. And that one body die of old age, so the other bodies are born, even more difficult, because it's just a change of forms with their constant complication

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Post by мда уж » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:41

мимоходом wrote:but the point I want to shrink not again to live with a particular set of selected dogma fanatically defending them...
You have just narrowed to the point... I always do. The denial itself is the last thing. Finally, accept that you are not special and you will feel better :)

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Post by мимоходом » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:44

Yes, I'm good. And since everyone is special and equal at the same time ))

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Post by мда уж » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:46

Well XS..

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Post by Аине » Mon Apr 18, 2016 17:53

Yes, fear motivates many(and). I think that spirituality goes not from living a happy life. and everyone has their own truth and the path through which they learn about themselves and choose what they helps. egregore, so be it. the main thing that formed the egregor of fear, and it seemed like the egregore of the movement, or love or something. I'm here about. blind spot, someone sees something about others, and about himself there, and pokes. and actually formed a lump of knowledge, illusions and substitution of concepts.

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Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Mon Apr 18, 2016 20:03

Well, odd is not interesting))) No one about egregors and is not divided here))). What about me no one enters into a dialogue? Or not contested? I'm not the truth in posledney instance talking about)) . But only Express their observations. Right here on the forum , is one of the structures and evidence that the formation of the cell, which has its rules and laws . And by the way is not terrible))))but rather to help you evolve , and at its own discretion, without the dictates of that of the Egregore, or how else can you call the cell that samorazvitie . Actually here is an example of the Egregore with a positive charge and is not terrible)))). And its founders-members who understand what is what))) And most important-it WORKS and is not milked, and not scares, and kickbacks are not afraid)))).
But only neotoy a set of rules and laws according to which ought IT to develop and choose the best variant for solving the tasks , each one connects to...
And of course you can say that here because like herd mentality? )))

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Post by СтаниФилмТВ » Mon Apr 18, 2016 20:17

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote: AND what about me no one enters into a dialogue? Or not contested? I'm not the truth in posledney instance talking about)) . But only Express their observations. Right here on the forum , is one of the structures and evidence that the formation of the cell
ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote: Actually here's an example of the Egregore with a positive charge and is not terrible)
Such egregors is a distinctive feature, called autoorganizare is not a Gura broadcasts authoritarian, and each member itself has a consciousness. And there you have written . Employee mindmachine.ru ..so all reasonable people..and won't be anything to argue, and just listen and take note..))
ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:AND of course you can say that here because like herd mentality
Of course you do..when all in their places..and not upside down..)) Join to us in the correct egregore..then all will be right..not from our point of view, and Your..)).. Actually in the right ..the egregore everything is in its place..and called .. sense of balance, as well as all the people advanced..it will not engage in altercations... with the employee..)) Always a pleasure to be in the team, where all just doing their business..not sticking to each-other..with full of garbage..not disturbing.. the thinker to think in solitude at a fire, and the war to sharpen arrows and spears.) Balance and harmony..this is the criterion of the correctness of the egregore..In the right.. egregore everyone can become the shaman, or priestess if you will..pull..the responsibility..) So the place is still vacant..) Say that a Holy Place is never empty....but no..there is..) In all totalitarian thought forms..is Main Person main..power steering..He is a Teacher, and the right of self-organising egregore, all is in balance..and who did not ask..but do you want to become..the main priestess?.. often get the refusal.) And therefore, all the participants.. I can only rely on themselves.. and not the authority..your Gora..)) by the Way, among the normal Gur..to use its authority ... it's muviton. Here Lao JI.. all the time..not moving.. staying no where longer than a day..not attached..and the disciples to them not to get attached..and move..walk all the time..) and just how full of soldiers at the Outpost is not overawed by knowledge..I was asked to teach.. and was light the Dao De Jing..)<

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Post by Аине » Mon Apr 18, 2016 23:45

If I understand correctly, the "egregore" is a type of energy that occurred at the Association of people for some concept. just this bundle of energy came up with the name for better understanding, I myself was tagged. let's take an example like this. people went into the campaign, 20 people. in the evenings singing songs around the campfire with a guitar, and the day sniffing flowers. collecting mushrooms and other holidays. a positive egregore, no one it energy not selected, all voluntarily.here everything is clear. placed for example in this settlement is weakened, he, too, has to take will not be anything to be contrary it comes down to finding equilibrium among participants. I understand the words Sterifilt about balance and harmony. lived there another 12 people energetically weakened. advantage. they are not very healthy background will pull energy. but this does not mean that there is a new egregore, or the one that was suddenly became angry Energetica, just those who have less became more in number and the Bank became faster to dry out, right? of course it is necessary to assess the quality of this energy to predict the course of events. now I have a more clearer head about the struggle of light and dark forces, I'm probably one of those who in the tank )
Now is there a division of "egregors" with the negative and the positive, well, that is, those who to light and dark? in my reasoning, just do the logic there?

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Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Tue Apr 19, 2016 0:45

СтаниФилмТВ wrote: And there you have written . Employee mindmachine.ru ..so all reasonable people..and won't be anything to argue, and just listen and take note..))
Well((( :? Well I like people to communicate with you and not as an employee MM.))I'm if as an employee, then advice on...product , how to use it, but pomorstva sometimes these things are in their ,shall we say ,materialistic and poznovatelno provocazioni , it really is always nice)))) I'm also a man too, and I want just to talk on the subject.... And so you all take me seriously))) And talk???? And to the PCB??? And to share and to learn from others? I'm always for ...
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Post by Ольга Лагуза » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:45

Аине wrote:Now is there a division of "egregors" with the negative and the positive, well, that is, those who to light and dark? in my reasoning, just do the logic there?
The logic of that is, is that attention is lacking, You have already answered a similar question, I for example, and LILY-P States that everything is interconnected, and measurements of good - bad is relative. The structure of egregores include archetypes, the totem and antitotem.
I literature You cited where you can find answers to questions as she could answered, then we quarreled because one of the authors, and You again the same question is asked :). Read the topic, there is enough for easy understanding and write us your idea on example or as You wish.

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Post by мимоходом » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:21

Ainé is a very well written, as for me, dot ))

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Post by Ольга Лагуза » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:32

Ольга Лагуза wrote:for Example: Abesalom Underwater, there is a great work, - "Returned the occult, or the Story of slim seven". There he relies (uses) and the Rose of the World Daniel Andreev, and the assemblage point of Carlos Castaneda, and the Archetypes and Egregors and a lot of other things. Synthesis. So, there he takes initially, three main egregor. The first Brama Pluto, the quality Will. Second, quote, better the one who said it not say:

The second Main egregor (Vishnu is God the preserver of the world, God the son, the planet Neptune) is the key word PERCEPTION. In its higher manifestations is divine love, mercy, compassion and grace of God; on the social level it is the people, or public opinion, on the individual — the inner life, especially of emotional States and affects. Black teacher here — the Great Harlot Fakery, the second person Gagtungr. The main temptations — selfish distortion of reality (especially a lie), various low meditation (including alcohol and drug trances) and strong emotional States.

The third Main egregor (Shiva is God the destroyer of the world, God the Holy Spirit, the planet Uranus) the key word is ACTION. In the higher manifestations of this is the Finger of God, a miracle, i.e. any direct intervention of God in earthly Affairs. On the social level is the power of the Executive, individual practical activities. Black Teacher — Ucarp, Great essestial demonic plan (in other words, the Builder of intrigues) is the third hypostasis Gagtungr. The main temptation is the Third of the egregore is a foolish activity, vigorous action with your eyes closed (though often with the best intentions), bearing in fact, the chaos and destruction, creating a new karmic knots, thickening and darkening world.
I like the approach of the Submarine A. the theme of the egregore. Why? Because at the helm, three on the human egregore, the trio Will, Perception, Action tight, and it takes place not anyhow, but in combination with the planets of the patrons of the different qualities and their corresponding collective figures.
This work A. Underwater, a masterpiece.<

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Post by СтаниФилмТВ » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:59

Аине wrote:Now is there a division of "egregors" with the negative and the positive, well, that is, those who to light and dark? in my reasoning, just do the logic there?
In principle, any person can declare any egregor ..good or bad. that is, if a person is a beneficial accessory, then will think what is good and not found the benefits so bad.. it's very concerning. For a better understanding of relativity, but here met young and want to live together. And the husband attacked the mother because the husband doesn't fit in her submission, and the wife is attacking the mother in law because she lived and saw a lot. And mother-in-law adjusts my whole family,that's it .. the man's family had not brought up the child, and the mother-in-law adjusts all his relatives that the daughter is too harmful and she can't cook. In General provoke conflict communities. Each community rodsvennikov thinks it right, and therefore, thinks that their community is nice and bright. but surely there are Grandmother the witch, for example, mother, mother-in-law, and declare what some grandfather of the husband's family the incarnation of Satan, because the Church goes. And then..Yes then..will be ..dark and light..))

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Post by мимоходом » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:28

Now, just as vividly written, and most importantly it is clear to everyone ))

that's still remembered

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That something hot soon
Insert the witch on the most not spoil me
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