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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by Новенький » Fri Jul 18, 2014 13:59

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:in General, devices for those who want to get into the OS, but for some reason he can not.
Generally my goal is to find the device to sleep like this which would allow me to increase the effects of sleep..well, three times...for example just get the sleep effect from sleeping(1), and I have three such effect on the bottom of the dream(3/1)...then the body would be recovered many times more..and worked out body Melatonin is also much larger ,and we know that the hormone is health and beauty!!!!
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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by Новенький » Fri Jul 18, 2014 14:03

Анна Сергеевна wrote:are You sure it was OS?
aspects of the OS, to see yourself in a dream when you snore or moan, watching from the sidelines..or like a movie sit and watch where you're going... I think these aspects of the OS , of course I couldn't control my sleep, just watched this I have never been..

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Fri Jul 18, 2014 14:20

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ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:in General, devices for those who want to get into the OS, but for some reason he can not.
Generally my goal is to find the device to sleep like this which would allow me to increase the effects of sleep..well, three times...for example just get the sleep effect from sleeping(1), and I have three such effect on the bottom of the dream(3/1)...then the body would be recovered many times more..and worked out body Melatonin is also much larger ,and we know that the hormone is health and beauty!!!!
Do not understand what you want. Sleep-heals or be Aware of? For full sleep and restoration during sleep, there are other methods and devices, and drives. The recovery is during sleep , when sleeping lie down by the daily cycle correctly. Melatonin is released at certain times of the day and in the dark, mind you. but with the dawn it breaks , the forum is Michael and other written and discussed. Wasps often is also harmful to sleep at night and not need to wait for the OS for the normal operation of the body. And Wasps , if they need you, then take breaks for sleep and Havo. Then melatonin will be OK and the recovery of the body, and Wasps , not just as an observer and as an INFORMED observer and acting in his will. Be aware ,that's not all. You can still wander into the maze and not be able to get out, but simply to observe and to think that now that is done, but in the end just will think exactly the same as in the ordinary dream.
And Yes, OS and whether you had? You have a lot of questions and it is clear that you have little understanding of the subject.
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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by к-13 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 17:42

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:Wasps often is also harmful to sleep at night and not need to wait for the OS for the normal operation of the body. And Wasps , if they need you, then take breaks for sleep and Havo.
This is an attempt to "green grapes" Osov by those who are not able to reach it. Lucid dreaming (if you do not have the obsession) does not affect the quality of sleep (even improve the performance by eliminating the stress factor from nightmares). But the most aggressive techniques to sleep very even way.

If you develop number awareness through training during the day (awake) and not the rape of body and mind at night (instead of sleeping or to harm him), the practice of lucid dreaming does not have any effect on the dream. Be aware of and remember the lucid dream turns out even if you are very tired and sleep that 4 hours a night. When aggressive techniques such indicators is generally impossible.

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by Новенький » Fri Jul 18, 2014 22:10

I do not set any goals to realize a dream, just occasionally something in the dream, I... I just wanted to know WHY ALL THIS is NECESSARY, including the OS ????

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by Новенький » Fri Jul 18, 2014 22:13

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:sleep-full and restoration during sleep, there are other methods and devices, and drives.
I wanted to give You as guy to advise me..for deep recovery...what you need?? What drives??? Generator sleep???

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by к-13 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 0:16

brand Newoptions use a lot. Mostly entertaining options because at the initial stage, to work hard, and then occasionally someone comes. In terms of personal development gives a lot - unloading and removal of stress factors, the awareness of living increases, understanding the underlying mental preconditions for their own behavioral responses, self-programming and getting rid of the psychological trauma...

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Post by Новенький » Sat Jul 19, 2014 13:34

K-13 Thank You!! Explained what was happening..You could try that...., not to dwell on it, in order to increase awareness...

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Mon Jul 21, 2014 17:13

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:in General, devices for those who want to get into the OS, but for some reason he can not.
Happens and differently) for Example: let's Say that a person lucid dreaming is not uncommon, and have become an integral part of life and if this part is interesting, it is possible and thematic Hobbies, for example "collecting related attributes". Collect not only instruments, but also literature, artifacts, technology, and often all together. Collecting devices for self-development -it is a worthy manifestation of the "second attention" in the material world...)

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Mon Jul 21, 2014 17:54

Malvina wrote:Is not self. That INTENTION is the cornerstone.
Even with the device, even without the device - it must be the INTENTION to realize a dream.
))..I think...the action itself... purchase.. this kind of "strong action" that is performed with the goal to quickly begin..realization of his intentions. The effect of the acquisition device, in this case, can be a "launching pad" or "support" for inception. Therefore, we can say that it is better with the device than without it..)) In a situation of "No Device". Intention, so to speak, has not been confirmed by act (action), and therefore is void.)) With Device better ...which side do not see..)

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Mon Jul 21, 2014 18:22

к-13 wrote:unloading and removal of stress factors, the awareness of living increases, understanding the underlying mental preconditions for their own behavioral responses, self-programming and getting rid of the psychological trauma...
And much more...)))

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by Юрий И » Mon Aug 04, 2014 18:04

First night drive with two exercises of the OS.( reading A. Orlov)...in the morning - in the dream ...the voice Orlov- "men snimayte earphone, about 15 minutes ..will be the start of the desired track)....I have to proigryvatel hammered and three CDs for the allocation of the astral body, and drives for the OS. alternate regularly, but has put the function of random selection...half Joking...But that's it....so..the Phenomena of the practice - in fact, in life strongly promotes..osoznanno, views from different angles, the search space is Infinite, etc..mini-insights every day..So OS the WTO is a good thing

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Post by нева » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:29

Юрий И wrote:Phenomena of the practice - in fact, in life strongly promotes..osoznanno, looks at different angles
Question no banter: Why osoznanno in everyday life? without respect to the OS.
I mean, it is very interesting how it is used.

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:22

нева wrote:
Юрий И wrote:Phenomena of the practice - in fact, in life strongly promotes..osoznanno, looks at different angles
Question no banter: Why osoznanno in everyday life? without respect to the OS.
I mean, it is very interesting how it is used.
1. If you are not a robot , or don't want to become them))))) If you want your life to build your"sketches" and not on ready templates. Finally if you want to live!!!! Not exist))) Chickens and ants also live and it seems so right....but the matrix soldiers is not the Creators.

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:38

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:1. If you are not a robot , or don't want to become them))))) If you want your life to build your"sketches" and not on ready templates. Finally if you want to live!!!! Not exist))) Chickens and ants also live and it seems so right....but the matrix soldiers is not the Creators.
Yes!... but in General..)..And how to do it?...here suppose a person sits on the chair and aware of itself, or is all this a deliberate to the store..and let's not react to the matrix phenomenon, it means lives and works..?)
It's like the example of mindfulness of books about Gestalt....."here and now my nose itches, and here and now I consciously scratched"...))

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by ЛИЛИЯ-Р » Tue Aug 12, 2014 14:23

нева wrote:
ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:1. If you are not a robot , or don't want to become them))))) If you want your life to build your"sketches" and not on ready templates. Finally if you want to live!!!! Not exist))) Chickens and ants also live and it seems so right....but the matrix soldiers is not the Creators.
Yes!... but in General..)..And how to do it?...here suppose a person sits on the chair and aware of itself, or is all this a deliberate to the store..and let's not react to the matrix phenomenon, it means lives and works..?)
It's like the example of mindfulness of books about Gestalt....."here and now my nose itches, and here and now I consciously scratched"...))
Read about Chamber and Creativity, About BJ , 3.0 sobsno-creativity in the first place. That is not art,creativity, and the Creator of their world .
Consciously in the store, you will not get the items the publicity the visible and the hidden, will not take that all, or tasty. And consciously take what they want at that moment your entire being and feel it. Yes, and itchy nose, different causes, trivial and not. But realize that at what point and for what she answers ? Then it is clear which character takes the body , and so much. More like a robot, bessonovka in the first place , like all natural life-supporting processes of the body. But bring on a conscious level, so to catch signs of the body , nature , thoughts and things. Why in the beginning some sort of activity , especially if it is for the soul, a man fascinated her happy, it lights up, just Live? Yeah, here and now and enjoy the process -creativity in real time. And when it all turns out by itself, all automatic(to some extent this is a plus, less time is spent on the memory process, and even after many years ,and even in the ISS ,and inadequate ,still work unconscious habit), then lost Izuminka creativity, awareness, joy in the current time from the process.
Few lives, a large part - just have to ... and automatic. You live real time as much per day, how much time do you consciously doing something. To calculate the time of awareness a day and you will be surprised. I do not remember who and where conducted research , sensors and other devices, so the most active self-aware, active was a day not more than 3 hours. And it was mostly tvorcheskie-people from art. others - 15-60 minutes per day.<

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by к-13 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 0:43

Awareness first and foremost is the realization of the reasons for their actions (and behavior in General), their emotional reactions, features of his character. He has a real choice on what and when to do it. Usually people act automatically - bumped his knee -> angry -> matyuknulsya -> gave an inanimate object "back" -> finally spoiled myself mood -> rude neighbor -> he was rude in response... Biological machine, not a person - the brain, the vast majority of the time works only for visibility...

A conscious man is primarily rational, that is most effective, ceteris paribus does not do unnecessary things, does not show unnecessary emotion, doesn't hang on stuff... knocking his knee, he just had to RUB the injured spot (to disperse the blood, so the bruise was less) and will take into account the location of the causes of impact on the future... Because he understands that the cause was his own carelessness (caused by ...), but an inanimate object does nothing, but the blow to him will make it worse. Although probably he in this situation do not collide.

Sometimes I think that awareness is simply the ability to direct internal monologue in a useful direction - when the subconscious mind grinds terabytes of data every second (there is a chair... before he was not there... and over there... as a child I had a chair with a horse on the back... once I fell from the chair... Chuck Norris broke those chairs on their enemies... interesting, I have many enemies?... And what, I wonder, think of me, John DOE?... Vasya once got drunk and I told him a bunch of crap about my life... Damn, can drink in the evening?... and so on, but the world is not from a single chair hanging in the void of the universe), and pays each event as much of the resources of the brain, how much they deserve it (there is a chair. And all!) and expiring power allocates to the processing of useful information. Including creativity/creation.

Usually lucid people much more contented life. Yes, and they have organized it much better)))<

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Sat Aug 16, 2014 16:40

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You very lucidly and vividly described, the power over the acquired reflexes, "reflexes of consciousness"..)
That is, the person practicing "mindfulness" are able to build the world as it is comfortable and interesting, through the ability to manipulate my attitude. That is, a conscious person can change their attitude, to situations as he pleases, and so is able to easily change your opinion..?

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Re: fans club of lucid dreaming

Post by нева » Sat Aug 16, 2014 16:51

ЛИЛИЯ-Р wrote:AND then basically tvorcheskie-people from art. others - 15-60 minutes per day.

This thing is greatly exaggerated. 15 min a day is 15 times in one minute, and a minute OTO for a very long time, given that Mosk cuts off every 20 seconds for download the film split second and restarts. After rebooting normally, a normal person doesn't remember..that was very deliberate. Every minute it three times for 20 seconds.Therefore a normal person will hardly get a minute at a time..) And only 15 mins a day, it is an advanced level..)

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