1. The period of adaptation.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sat May 04, 2013 12:51

ААААА wrote:morning unchanged and a slight feeling of heaviness top of head.
I would try to cheer up a bit before using the morning session, but perhaps this is a consequence of constant lack of sleep. Plus, the reason may be in close headphones.
ААААА wrote:Evening as earlier mild falls asleep
It is advisable not to sleep balance between wakefulness and full relaxation

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ААААА » Sat May 04, 2013 17:00

Novel! Here nepoymu felts never nebylo roofing do not understand?)) that is fiction, the ultimate pampering . And mm a few months at different sessions and CDs and do not understand something about the relaxation)) well, or rather there were several controversial moments , maybe where to paint so that newcomers understand was why and how and what ? The type of bird. Although references. In different themes there is of course ....

About soft punishments.... Ie the evening before bed listening to are all OK sometimes a little goose bumps on his forehead cold cool like that . And... just fell asleep is unclear when. And Wake up coldsmoke not removed ear specialist and sleep). Sometimes that took them just after lie but my head is still going vibration and frequency somewhere so Hertz 20-30 something hard to the touch understand. And it's still not falling asleep I feel there is a slight vibration and it ended with the sound for example of the ocean and the vibration is still there because the file is modulated and the sound and modulation is still there)) and there is physically a file ends and then silence))

Something like this.

It is difficult to balance, riding different thoughts and on the contrary, they interfere with as soon as I drove away, BAM fell asleep))) . Here on the daily file Philip and so short which) there as it turns out italyone to be in and out gently from this and there is a feeling of course but micro rest after listening!

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sat May 04, 2013 19:03

ААААА wrote:Roman! Here nepoymu felts never nebylo roofing do not understand?)) that is fiction, the ultimate pampering . And mm a few months at different sessions and CDs and do not understand something about the relaxation))
So, too, sometimes... Many people are decades of the body to fully relax do not give even in your sleep, grinding your teeth, a pillow smothering or making weird faces))) Should let go of the accumulation of experience.
ААААА wrote: where to paint so that newcomers understand was why and how and what ? The type of bird.
The sunset hand and the showing of rise of the coup on the fingers can be set to make))) It's quite individual - I don't even know which side to take on such a FACTOR... IN any case, when completely relaxed, it is not to be confused - I would say that feeling like the whole world and you along with it dissolved and left only the attention that is concentrated in a point somewhere in the area where there used to be eyebrows. But for this and the next phase of the workshop should at least relax completely to stop to feel the body, that is, there is no pressure, no pulling, no twisting, not itchy, do not itch, do not feel cold and not heated - there is a feeling at the level of memory that the body is there, but at the moment in order for him to feel the need to make some effort.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Ослик ИА-ИА » Sun May 05, 2013 0:02

к-13 wrote:the Beta accumulated, so more and no rolls... you just Have to wait until alpha again, will train. Keep listening
Another three sessions. Except for the heavy head achievements. The sensations of the body is the increase in the temperature of hands and them " - calving mobility problems," but
к-13 wrote:...feeling that the whole world and you along with it dissolved and left only the attention is concentrated at the point somewhere in the area where before it was between the eyebrows....that is, there is no pressure, no pulling, no twisting, not itchy, do not itch, do not feel cold and not heated - there is a feeling at the level of memory that the body is there, but at the moment in order for him to feel the need to make some effort.
this is still lacking.
Monday should work to bring Mind Reflection, will be able to remove the process and image stick.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun May 05, 2013 0:59

Ослик ИА-ИА wrote:Another triple sessions. Except for the heavy head achievements.
Short need to try to listen - maybe it's too much stimulation - they're designed for beginners...
the sensations of the body is the increase in the temperature of hands and them "- calving mobility problems", but this "..." is not yet available.
Clothing, or something else no pressure anywhere during class? Can interlock your fingers on the machine at the time when the adoption of a comfortable posture? Hands or hanging?
on Monday we need work bring to Mind the Reflection, will be able to remove the process and image stick.
It would be very helpful.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ААААА » Sun May 05, 2013 5:18

к-13 wrote:
ААААА wrote:Roman! Here nepoymu felts never nebylo roofing do not understand?)) that is fiction, the ultimate pampering . And mm a few months at different sessions and CDs and do not understand something about the relaxation))
So, too, sometimes... Many people are decades of the body to fully relax do not give even in your sleep, grinding your teeth, a pillow smothering or making weird faces))) Should let go of the accumulation of experience.
ААААА wrote: where to paint so that newcomers understand was why and how and what ? The type of bird.
The sunset hand and the showing of rise of the coup on the fingers can be set to make))) It's quite individual - I don't even know. which side to take on such a FACTOR... IN any case, when completely relaxed, it is not to be confused - I would say that the feeling that the whole world and you along with it dissolved and left only the attention that is concentrated in a point somewhere in the area where there used to be eyebrows. But for this and the next phase of the workshop should at least relax completely to stop to feel the body, that is, there is no pressure, no pulling, no twisting, not itchy, do not itch, do not feel cold and not heated - there is a feeling at the level of memory that the body is there, but at the moment in order for him to feel the need to make some effort.
About creaking teeth to their detachment and sultry pillows))) to the point! About make faces Neznamov NEMA nirazu)) and maybe just haven't seen?)

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun May 05, 2013 11:11

ААААА wrote:About creaking teeth to their detachment and sultry pillows))) to the point! About make faces Neznamov NEMA nirazu)) and maybe just haven't seen?)
A high level of stress. It is possible to help to attract breathing techniques during the day, a hot bath for 20 minutes at least before listening or practicing with bio feedback device.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Искатель » Sun May 05, 2013 14:28

Listened to the breeze,the ocean and the afternoon session.Light flight,dialogues are present in the head(but the degree of involvement in the session is changing(more, less).At the end of the body less feel,numb hands,legs, lungs.Yes, when the session ends,head still safer to keep hands and feet continue to go numb,chest flying,quietly watching the body and thoughts :)After a very smooth calm state,even said to be blessed,the head is nice.Note that session very very soft as the touch of a feather or a soft breath of wind :)The evening continued....

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ААААА » Sun May 05, 2013 14:59

к-13 wrote:
ААААА wrote:About creaking teeth to their detachment and sultry pillows))) to the point! About make faces Neznamov NEMA nirazu)) and maybe just haven't seen?)
A high level of stress. It is possible to help to attract breathing techniques during the day, a hot bath for 20 minutes at least before listening or practicing with bio feedback device.
The bath practice may help the human body requires)) about the device where to Ocicat?

Of all intercepted files, the most pleasant and comfortable short Philip Chapman)) originally noticed that, after him, some little relaxation in the afternoon, and sometimes when I finished listening ,you catch yourself thinking that deprived of something pleasant, like a child's candy away,) jelanii to repeat here the audition! Sometimes I do)

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun May 05, 2013 16:09

ААААА wrote:about the device where to Ocicat?
http://www.mindmachine.ru/mental_games.htm or viewtopic.php?t=5139&p=97002

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Re: 0. Introductory lesson. Structure of the workshop.

Post by Элеонора » Sun May 05, 2013 22:07

Thanks for the reply. K-13, still I want to specify the trace points. I signed up for the workshop and got the adaptation session, but will start day 4 (paused, TK was used by the MM system ).
You have identified 6 areas. In the framework of the "adaptation" listen for the proposed session, with a decreasing frequency from beta to alpha top(I understand this is inherent in the sessions). Question - what form should occur "evasion of their results" -daily or once at the end, or again in the form of random tables? And what is the criterion of achieving the proper level to gain access to the next stage?

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Re: 0. Introductory lesson. Structure of the workshop.

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Элеонора wrote:Question - what needs to happen, "the runaround about your performance" -daily or once at the end, or again in the form of random tables?
And as You see fit - Can you tell us about each achievement or only significant. The table is necessary only to You - it is clear and You will be able to get an idea about their training, and to draw conclusions about why you got certain results - and that's all.
Элеонора wrote:And what is the criterion of achieving the proper level to gain access to the next stage?
I will determine this by the fact that he would write to party.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Ларин Иван » Mon May 06, 2013 12:56

Started the course with listening to the Oceans at night. First, as noted, it would be scary to be at night in the open sea)
And in the case, strongly felt, as their tongues rolled. And in my head is pretty quiet and peaceful it was.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Маниту » Mon May 06, 2013 18:50

Hello Roman! 4 days listening to the ocean and the Rain lying on a high pillow, my glasses on after waking up and before bedtime. 1 day practiced sitting in the Lotus in the points. It is quite good to relax, however, the body I still feel. It felt completely relaxed and breathing during sleep. Even sitting, the body manages to fully relax and quietly snuffle. Fun to watch yourself like this. Something like that. And, tell me what means "IMHO" ? Never met that word :)

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by 1Андрей1 » Mon May 06, 2013 20:05

Started the course as soon as I came link to the file. Basically 3 auditions a day, with sunglasses. Files and listened to almost everything once, except "the birds". Most liked the "clean sound" and "cropped". Sounds with a natural background, don't really like (not in terms of a negative, and neutral). Likely impact the habit of using Navigator, it's mostly "clean sound". On the Navigator listened fully, 2 times courses "R","E" and "C", occasionally listening to other sessions + disks Patrushev.
Fully "relax" is not always possible. Often climbs all sorts of distractions (hot\cold, itchy, numb different parts of the body, pain, VD and daily activities and problems). Which in turn "holds" and does not completely relax as needed. Struggling with alternate success on it.
Lately, with the victory of VD, noticed that he became involved in the "story". Ie no audio-visual effects you simply can't just "meditation" carries so much that all other factors go out of sight. Moreover, these "reflections" you see, not only as a main face, but somehow from the side (as in a normal dream, where you are a participant and observer). Then at some point come back to yourself and continue to listen to the session. The dream does not seem to hurry to the loss of contact with reality. Sleep is extremely rare, outstanding sleep there. Through the use of the Navigator earlier, sleep has become less common.
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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Mon May 06, 2013 20:36

Ларин Иван wrote:Started the course with listening to the Oceans at night. First, as noted, it would be scary to be at night in the open sea)
This is an artificial problem - the recording of the sound of breaking waves made the shore 8)
Ларин Иван wrote:And in the case, strongly felt, as their tongues rolled.
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Post by к-13 » Mon May 06, 2013 20:47

Маниту wrote:Hello romance!
And to You too)))
Маниту wrote:4 hours listening to the ocean and the Rain lying on a high pillow, my glasses on after waking up and before bedtime. 1 day practiced sitting in the Lotus in the points. It is quite good to relax, however, the body I still feel. It felt completely relaxed and breathing during sleep. Even sitting, the body manages to fully relax and quietly snuffle. Fun to watch yourself like this. Something like that.
If in three days nothing will change, will get a second stage
Маниту wrote:And tell me what means "IMHO" ? Never met that word :)
It's part of the slang of Internet users - acronym - the initial letters of English words "In My Humble Opinion" in Russian letters - the phrase means "in my personal opinion". That is, "I think so, and as there actually, I don't know"

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

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1Андрей1 wrote:Started the course as soon as I came link to the file. Basically 3 auditions a day, with sunglasses. Files and listened to almost everything once, except "the birds". Most liked the "clean sound" and "cropped". Sounds with a natural background, don't really like (not in terms of a negative, and neutral). Likely impact the habit of using Navigator, it's mostly "clean sound". On the Navigator listened fully, 2 times courses "R","E" and "C", occasionally listening to other sessions + disks Patrushev.
Yeah, probably there's newcomers like the file with the background, more experienced - clean signals.
1Андрей1 wrote:Fully "relax" is not always possible. Often climbs all sorts of distractions (hot\cold, itchy, numb different parts of the body, pain, VD and daily activities and problems). Which in turn "holds" and does not completely relax as needed. Struggling with alternate success on it.
If you experience distracting thoughts or signals of discomfort from the periphery to the frontal and temporal areas accordingly, there are stable foci of beta-rhythm, need to pay attention to them - by any means reduce their importance, then it will be easier to get into the alpha state.
1Андрей1 wrote:recently, with the victory of VD, noticed that he became involved in the "story". Ie no audio-visual effects you simply can't just "meditation" carries so much that all other factors go out of sight. Moreover, these "reflections" you see, not only as a main face, but somehow from the side (as in a normal dream, where you are a participant and observer). Then at some point come back to yourself and continue to listen to the session. The dream does not seem to hurry to the loss of contact with reality.
Going involvement in the plot and loss of the stimulation session - probably quite strongly developed ability to design images.
1Андрей1 wrote:Sleep rarely, debt to sleep there. Through the use of the Navigator earlier, sleep has become less common.
It's almost all wrong.
1Андрей1 wrote:Will listen on.
Right :wink:<

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Андр » Mon May 06, 2013 22:41

my results:
1. almost all files have become to cause the flow of images
2. there is no feeling of loss body, the body is still feel. Can't say that absolutely all the body is relaxed, but fairly large areas of the body are relaxed for some period of time
3. streams of images are called 2-3 times per session. However, I "lose" my body, it feels like my mind is transferred to some "parallel universe" and I participate in some mini-movie, I live in the other "body" and feel that another body, then remember, "Oh yeah, I'm in the flow of images, I'm inside, a part of this, I have been involved, but the head needs to be clear" and it knocks me out of the flow of images, I'm going back to my body and the body is somewhat tense again, relax the body and mind - again uncontrolled flow of images and in most cases I am a member of this new "mini-movie". Again, remember to not get involved, and kicks me again in a kind of "beta" and lose the relaxation of mind and body

I would not say that it was a dream, I understand what it is to dream.
By the way, after you start using mindmachine, began to sleep 6 hours instead of the usual 8.5

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Ашот Васильевич » Tue May 07, 2013 0:33

Good evening!
Listen with 1.05.2013, twice a day. Usually in the morning after waking and evening before going to sleep. Not only listened to 04.05.2013 in the evening carried away by watching the broadcast of the Easter Liturgy. Went to bed in the morning and it was not before class.

I listened to all the files with the background. Like Birds, the Forest, especially a file with the cuckoo. Did not like the rain. Whales with their singing had wound some alarm that the strange, those whales that I have always well chilled me out and took away far away away from household cares and no worries. But the sound of the sea helps to relax. Don't know whether it's right or not, but synchronizing your breathing with the sound of the surf allows you to escape from the stream of thoughts. The body relaxes in the second half of songs. Sometimes that lost feeling of the body, failed. We have reached quite a deep relaxation of body, with a feeling of weightlessness. But mentally I can't relax... during the entire session thinking of work and everyday problems. Think how to get out of a particular situation, etc., but without much emotional involvement. Now I am concerned about a number of issues about which I constantly think, say So with these thoughts rise, thoughts fall... And these outside session, these thoughts lead to some emotional negativity... But during the session, thoughts, and negative emotions associated with these thoughts - no. Still thinking to get rid at all would be great.
Roman, do you think if I have any sense to drink Novopasit some or brew yourself a pot mix Valeriana, Motherwort, Melissa? In order to reduce the emotional involvement in the deliberation of issues during the day. Maybe it will get rid of the thought-stream (or rather, even such a directional reflection) during the session and thereby increase the effectiveness of the Workshop. Or is it off? :)

And another question. During the evening session which I do before bedtime, I often fall asleep, such intervals to the first snoring several times during the session. You can change the time of holding the evening sessions and have her to himself, and such as soon as you come home from work?<

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Post by к-13 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:45

Ашот Васильевич wrote:And another question. During the evening session which I do before bedtime, I often fall asleep, such intervals to the first snoring several times during the session. You can change the time of holding the evening sessions and have her to himself, and such as soon as you come home from work?
I don't know what time You come home from work :? For example, I work while it's light outside, but occasionally can be distracted. If sleep is still quite a lot of time in the initial stages it is not recommended to listen to the session on the lower frequencies. While all of this is so individual that would never say that anyone is better - You try it once and see what happens - if everything goes well, then we can move classes without fear, well, if the whole evening after, it will be sluggish as fatigue, then You this option is not exactly ideal - cheer up in any way, so as not to scare others once again (and then still decide that You were sick).
Ашот Васильевич wrote:don't know whether it's right or not, but synchronizing your breathing with the sound of the surf allows you to escape from the stream of thoughts. The body relaxes in the second half of songs. Sometimes that lost feeling of the body, failed. We have reached quite a deep relaxation of body, with a feeling of weightlessness. But mentally I can't relax... during the entire session thinking of work and everyday problems. Think how to get out of a particular situation, etc., but without much emotional involvement. Now I am concerned about a number of issues about which I constantly think, say So with these thoughts rise, thoughts fall... And these outside session, these thoughts lead to some emotional negativity... But during the session, thoughts, and negative emotions associated with these thoughts - no. Still thinking to get rid at all would be great.
You pretty much answered your own question - from thoughts, to distance yourself helps You to focus on breathing - it should be slower, but not very deep. It does not matter, it will be in time with the sounds or self - importantly, attention was focused on it, and thought, just note mentally ("Oh yeah? gotcha! but I'll think about you later") and not to develop further - watch them as if from the outside, even they can form some kind of to give (again, do not get carried away). Although, You can and will be useful to think of it, only you need to think not about problems but about solutions (not about questions, but about answers) - in the alpha state of brain very easily programmed and if you scroll through the head the problem, he may decide that's his problem (not solve it and stay in it).
Ашот Васильевич wrote:novel, do you think if I have any sense to drink Novopasit some or brew yourself a pot mix Valeriana, Motherwort, Melissa? In order to reduce the emotional involvement in the deliberation of issues during the day. Maybe it will get rid of the thought-stream (or rather, even such a directional reflection) during the session and thereby increase the effectiveness of the Workshop. Or is it off? :)
I can think about it all you want, but the level of my med.training allows me to give advice on pharmaceuticals with others. It is better to use non-chemical ways to relax and calm - they are more than enough, but we'll leave that to the second stage<

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Владимирович » Tue May 07, 2013 10:08

Some of my feelings from the first 5 days.
1. Evening - _birds. The condition is more tense than relaxed. Although, the period was a wave of relaxation and disconnection. Falling asleep after the session was not fast...
Morning - Breeze. Condition is very relaxed, sometimes on the verge of sleep. In the second half of the session was observed a light "blinking" of natural light through closed eyes. The session was held without points. After the session immediately fell asleep for another couple of hours.
2. Night - forest. There were some factors that inhibit listening. Eyes are very "up". Relax completely failed. To sleep a long time. Perhaps due to the fact that day sleep...
Morning - ocean. Started wearing glasses. Interfere with thought, accumulated the night before. Strong relaxation is not received, probably because, suddenly, the session was suspended - ended charge in the laptop. The head is somewhat "heavy", probably due to the sharp interruption of the session. To sleep the desire does not arise.
3. Evening - rain. Been able to achieve decent relaxation. Prevented, perhaps, something that was controlled not to fall asleep. As a result, as was worn in waves - something more relaxed, then less...
Morning - тhunderstorm. The results are less tangible than in the evening. In a strong relaxation is not pulled. It is possible that the body is already relaxed and rested. After the session, did not want to sleep.
4. Evening - woodland. Weak relaxation. In the evening drank strong tea. Maybe this affected.
Morning - _birds. Weak relaxation. Prevented extraneous thoughts
5. Night - ocean. A very strong relaxation. Somewhat weakened the effect of control efforts that would not sleep. At the end of the track is almost completely blacked out, but at the end of it - once "returned".
Morning - rain. A special relaxation was not observed, was slightly hurt thoughts and other sounds. Perhaps in the morning the body is so rested and motivated for the afternoon.
Of the tracks are more like ocean and rain. In General, the "water" files.
What to listen to next? "Clean" sounds?<

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Tue May 07, 2013 14:36

Владимирович wrote:What to listen to next? "Clean" sounds?
Any of these 12 files on Your taste.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Светочек » Wed May 08, 2013 1:13

к-13 wrote:Svetocheklisten files, first phase for a week and you can go to the second - You have already worked with r-sessions apparently doing some work in the alpha state You have.

Yes, You are right. Prior to this training, I from time to time worked and r sessions, but there was some system that would allow to master the alpha state and use it with benefit for themselves :)

By this time listened to all the suggested files, some more than once. Thank You, Roman, for them - loved it! :ay because here you can ask You question or read Your comments, my confidence in mastering the alpha state grows stronger day by day :)

Usually listen to the file twice a day and put points on the minimum brightness. Sometimes there is a desire and the opportunity to attend a day - do not deny yourself this pleasure :wink: I manage without problems relaxation. About the body seemed to forget at all, and for a pop-up in mind, as I noticed, it is difficult to catch - that is deepening in the set of thoughts the subject arises.

Preference is given to the file on the background of nature sounds - anyway, now I have just such a mood :)

The state in which I can find which support and work with the files I really like. And although there is a lot of different events (family, work) that provoke to leave the state of mental equilibrium, to me, as I noticed, it doesn't take long to recover, adequately respond to the situation.

And I noticed that in my present condition often began to appear the phenomenon of synchronism (or it just became more evident? :? )

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Wed May 08, 2013 2:13

Светочек wrote:And I noticed that in my present condition often began to appear the phenomenon of synchronism (or it just became more evident? :? )
I the last three or generally live in a state of continuous sincronismo - deja vu ten times per day covers already aware stopped paying, often guess or think about something right before the appearance of this something... the Brain is in alpha is unloaded and it becomes easier to analyze the situation -> the results of his analysis to be more precise -> predictions often come true... Perhaps this is intuition :?

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