1. The period of adaptation.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:13

Добромиръ wrote:think is ready to move to the next stage, there is the intention. :ay What do You think?
I believe that is another week to listen for anchoring effects - then just anchor it will be easier to put.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Добромиръ » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:26

к-13 wrote:
Добромиръ wrote:think is ready to move to the next stage, there is the intention. :ay What do You think?
I believe that is another week to listen for anchoring effects - then just anchor it will be easier to put.
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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:36

Павел Панфилов wrote:the Feeling has not changed, the heaviness in the hands, drowsiness, I would say what is unconscious, I think I'm quite in control, and my relatives say that during the session I snore, although these do not suffer. Yes, at the end of the session no desire to get up, and I want to continue to arrive in this state.
Very similar to a chronic lack of sleep :? Snoring is a signal to move when falling asleep appear to have difficulty breathing. Better to sit comfortably in a chair with armrests (I gave advice to the position of the body).
Павел Панфилов wrote:novel, I went through forum threads and have not found how to connect the player to my MM.
Re-read my previous answer to this question and try to think. At the same time get acquainted with the device closer - what are the connectors on the case, what modes, in addition to sessions. Manual, that if read (available for download, if the device is not)... Honestly, well, I will not is You Your device to study - I his six cars missing (as it so happened, that just the Nova Pro 100 is not among them - from this website only innerpulse and Navigator).
Павел Панфилов wrote:What do I do next to continue the workshop listening to the audio session, or use my MM with its standard software ?
If you do not deal with gate-mode, then the second.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:39

Pavel Panfilov. Looked pictures of cars on the website - if you look at the device from the side where stuck sunglasses and headphones, then left them (the front panel from the top) are connectors for connecting an external sound source and the microphone.

I don't consider this issue serious enough to spend even more time.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ШумелкаМышь » Sun Apr 06, 2014 18:16

Good day! Continue to listen to the sounds of nature morning and evening. Often it turns out to listen to a session from start to finish not falling into sleep. Complete relaxation is not possible, feel the muscle clamps. To the end work through them no time -- the session ends. Is it possible to listen to two sessions in a row, to solve this problem?

PS can't download the file bb. Downloaded several times in different ways, the sound in all cases is suspended for 18 seconds. Please advise how can I correctly download.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 22:38

ШумелкаМышь wrote:is it Possible to listen to two sessions in a row, to solve this problem?
No. It is better to use long alpha session out of the car. Or "Explorer," Andrei Patrushev.
ШумелкаМышь wrote:PS can't download the file bb. Downloaded several times in different ways, the sound in all cases is suspended for 18 seconds. Please advise how can I correctly download.
On the other computer. Or on the other user account.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ШумелкаМышь » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:51

K-13 okay, understood, thank you. MM expected today and tomorrow, I will try a longer session, I will unsubscribe about results.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Джуди » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:57

Good day to all! Listen, do....12 days. While listening the last three times dbb session (morning) there is an interesting effect. Session starts, I listen to it and then it ends very quickly, as if time was 22 minutes, and 5 minutes. Don't feel sleeping at this time. In the evening this is not. In the evening - all as expected :) Listen to relax the body. Very pleased that a sense of calm and equanimity to what is happening during the day is not going away. It is with me. Quite often began to occur such coincidences. At work we always talk on Skype. When I think that I need to write about some issue necessary for the person, go to Skype and see that this person already wrote me himself, and as it turns out, about the matter. The same thing happens with phone calls. What is the interesting thing - our life))

Question. Is it possible before the evening listening to a little to try to apply the technique of self-hypnosis described on your website Patrushev? In the sense that immediately prior to the meeting ask a "problem"; for example-Wake up at a certain time, to sleep for a short period, to the morning the best solution of any question....well, etc. This is not a course of antibiotics :oops:

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 22:15

Джуди wrote:while listening three times last session of the dbb (in the morning) there is an interesting effect. Session starts, I listen to it and then it ends very quickly, as if time was 22 minutes, and 5 minutes. Don't feel sleeping at this time.
And 5 posts ago Pavel Panfilov did not notice that snored))) it happens to everyone... Even me, although I have experience of using machines for almost 7 years. The brain falls into a superficial sleep, and then falls out and carefully disguises this fact - he felt ashamed, probably)))
Джуди wrote:Question. Is it possible before the evening listening to a little to try to apply the technique of self-hypnosis described on your website Patrushev? In the sense that immediately prior to the meeting ask a "problem"; for example-Wake up at a certain time, to sleep for a short period, to the morning the best solution of any question....well, etc.
These suggestions is just better to do before the session, and in the moment of greatest relaxation as a result of her listening. Any suggestion in alpha is much more effective and clearer that we need to understand and what is not)))
Джуди wrote:Quite often began to occur such coincidences. At work we always talk on Skype. When I think that I need to write about some issue necessary for the person, go to Skype and see that this person already wrote me himself, and as it turns out, about the matter. The same thing happens with phone calls. What is the interesting thing - our life))
It's almost all point out, who normally takes adaptation. In the previous 20 pages in the first workshop such reviews already met 7 times.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Джуди » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:50

к-13 wrote:Judy wrote(a):
Quite often began to occur such coincidences. At work we always talk on Skype. When I think that I need to write about some issue necessary for the person, go to Skype and see that this person already wrote me himself, and as it turns out, about the matter. The same thing happens with phone calls. What is the interesting thing - our life))

It's almost all point out, who normally takes adaptation. In the previous 20 pages in the first workshop such reviews already met 7 times.
This is good, that's okay, because the feelings and impressions it is quite difficult to describe and correlate with what is meant by "the way it should be." Sometimes gnaws the worm " is everything I do, etc. in that order." Thanks for the good news :D

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Павел Панфилов » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:53

к-13 wrote:Pavel Panfilov. Looked pictures of cars on the website - if you look at the device from the side where stuck sunglasses and headphones, then left them (the front panel from the top) are connectors for connecting an external sound source and the microphone.

I don't consider this issue serious enough to spend even more time.
Hello Roman, if it were so simple.......... Well, okay.

Passed the eighth day of my workshop, the feeling has changed a bit, not drawn images, no weights in hands and joints. Still fall asleep, but never spilled the end of the track, probably the brain controls what is happening. Irritation do not feel the desire to continue to listen to tracks, remains high.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:21

Павел Панфилов wrote:Hello Roman, if it were so simple.......... Well, okay.
Honestly, Paul, this is getting ridiculous. Equivalent You on the forum logistics will persistently ask you where to insert the ignition key and as a first speed to enable on Your specific car (had also thought that all cars with a manual transmission they are minor deviations are equally included, until he became owner of a Japanese with a switch on the handlebars - a seasoned mechanic with over thirty five years experience driving almost took out the wall in his Studio after diagnosis, when, instead of reversing gear of the third included). I don't do neither release nor information support, no selling of cars on this site - I just help their users work correctly to break in my exercise program. I don't have to know absolutely everything about all the machines in Your machine You should know better. I have even told You where to stick the cord from the player (the leftmost connector on the bottom edge) - pokazite buttons of the navigation menu You need mode AuS (audiostrobe). Read the user manual. Ask in the thread are new, in the end :?
Павел Панфилов wrote:Passed the eighth day of my workshop, the feeling has changed a bit, not drawn images, no weights in hands and joints. Still fall asleep, but never spilled the end of the track, probably the brain controls what is happening. Irritation do not feel the desire to continue to listen to tracks, remains high.
Keep practicing. And don't worry about points on audio file- this workshop is realistic to go without cars.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Джуди » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:19

Good day!
17 days of classes.

A lot of positive "change" in life - during the day, calm and equanimity do not leave me, despite increased workload. Different negatives do not react, and not by force, but as something natural. I already wrote about this, but I would like to mention this fact, as it is not isolated, has become permanent.

The alarm for the morning was to put on 5 instead of 5.30, no discomfort, Wake up immediately and listen to the session, there is still plenty of time to calmly get ready for work :D

A little strange feeling while listening. At a certain moment of relaxation in the body there's some strange feeling - some kind of inner trembling, from which I want to get rid of by pulling or change of body position.
Question. This is progress, regress, or at all, sometimes in different ways? :oops:

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Post by к-13 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 20:38

Джуди wrote:a Lot of positive "change" in life - during the day, calm and equanimity do not leave me, despite increased workload. Different negatives do not react, and not by force, but as something natural. I already wrote about this, but I would like to mention this fact, as it is not isolated, has become permanent.
The cumulative effect of alpha-training is very similar in frequency characteristics on the condition that a person experiences their first puff of a cigarette or drunk the first day, 20 grams of alcoholic beverage, the ease of almost complete apathy, cutting off the negative emotional pattern to backlog cases, the thoughts are distracted from the problems and switch to dreams or pleasant memories... Only it is much more long lasting - lasts for 8-12 hours after using the alpha session (assuming a sufficient level of fitness), and chemically induced state disappears after the third puff/drink. Therefore, alpha training is widely used in the treatment of alcohol and nicotine dependence - psychological reinforcement of habits is no more remains to win muscle memory and the influence of the environment (it becomes much easier to do, as the body begins to resist - the same taste buds react almost on the level of stimulation to the gag reflex, and olfactory perekvalificirovat "product" from desirable to disgusting).
Джуди wrote:a Little strange feeling while listening. At a certain moment of relaxation in the body there's some strange feeling - some kind of inner trembling, from which I want to get rid of by pulling or change of body position.
Question. This is progress, regress, or at all, sometimes in different ways?
It happens - not all, but quite often (and it is rather a positive aspect). The effect is similar to the vibrations that occur from practicing astral projections - the muscles relax too quickly, and inert Central nervous system - nerve fibers do not have time to rebuild and there is something like electromagnetic induction in the neighboring parallel conductors - yet not loosened adequate level of relaxation questionnaire impulses to the CNS trigger the electromagnetic response in a response chain (the muscles are relaxed and the signals from them is much weaker, so by induction the induced electrical signal is compared with them in amplitude mistakenly perceived as a response from the muscles). Over time, the response of the Central nervous system will become more flexible and this effect will no longer be disturbed.<

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by ШумелкаМышь » Sat Apr 12, 2014 13:08

Good day!
Doing the tenth day, Monday deal with the Navigator. Relaxation feeling a lot of weight, as though you still put on top of something soft, warm and heavy. Additionally Alfaria day (also Monday).

PS the problem with the bb file was resolved simply enough -- he simply refused to play on any of my devices, except the Navigator. MM is reproduced in full.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 17:46

ШумелкаМышь wrote:Calm before the feeling a lot of weight, as though you still put on top of something soft, warm and heavy.
It is good, muscles are relaxed so that the nerve receptors in the pressure began to feel their weight - even a little bit and the relaxation will be complete.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Добромиръ » Sat Apr 12, 2014 18:13

Good evening all!
к-13 wrote:I Believe that is another week to listen for anchoring effects - then just anchor it will be easier to put.
Work out another week: the rise of intuition don't feel the danger back also don't feel. Became a little calmer. The body also relaxes for 2-3 minutes to heat in the limbs, and after that it is unclear whether there is it, or not. Makepatch 4-5 minutes becomes neutral-positive: in the mind disappears acuity, and their number decreases. Even been bored. I want to have to move, especially because the desire is still there. I want to have the next stage. :wiz
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Post by к-13 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 23:25

Dobromirsent links.
Добромиръ wrote:the rise of intuition don't feel the danger back also don't feel.
I sort of promised?

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

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к-13 wrote:Dobromirsent links.
Добромиръ wrote:the rise of intuition don't feel the danger back also don't feel.
I sort of promised?
I do not mean You, read the previous posts and something-wanted :)

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Павел Панфилов » Sun Apr 13, 2014 19:48

Good evening, passed the twelfth day of my training. Every day, morning and evening, I think there comes a dependence, especially in the evening I Catch myself thinking that I want to insert in the ears of the headset and immerse yourself in a state of dormancy. Back light sore hands it's probably all the changes of the last days.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 19:59

Павел Панфилов wrote:Good evening, passed the twelfth day of my training. Every day, morning and evening, I think there comes a dependence, especially in the evening I Catch myself thinking that I want to insert in the ears of the headset and immerse yourself in a state of dormancy.
The brain felt the response from training and cannot secure, but he likes it. The principle is the same as with alcohol/nicotine, but it all ends as soon as change becomes more sustainable. Something is preventing the consolidation of the alpha - some problem, a traumatic memory or a disease.
Павел Панфилов wrote:Back light weight in the hands is probably all the changes of the last days.
Keep listening, preferably on a regular basis, three times a day and applying additional techniques of relaxation.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by Джуди » Tue Apr 15, 2014 15:56

20 days of lessons.
A state of quiet (during the day).
When listening to the sessions (there are preferences you want to engage with the sessions without music) of the internal dialogue are not practical. The attention would be aimed at relaxing the body and listening for feelings ( if this can be attributed to internal dialogue, it is only such), no extraneous thoughts. At some point, deciding that the relaxation is deep enough, say (mentally) I needed a thoughtform.
If it effect? Something there, but maybe it's just the result of a General peace.

The feeling of "internal tremor" appeared no more.

Please verify (for my motivation :oops: ) The purpose of this stage - listening for feelings? Reread Your instructions on the first page. It says that it is not necessary to use some techniques for relaxation, and you just have to lie there and "observe". Does "supervision" over - breathing "inhale-exhale", the mental "blowing waves through the body to relax the muscles" - while listening to some technology? They (technicians) help me to not be distracted by extraneous thoughts and focus on sensations.

I'm just a little confused. To aspire to at this stage?

Sessions without music three (excluding one that first and not downloaded in any way). Alternate - one in the morning and another in the evening.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by АЛАИС » Tue Apr 15, 2014 18:32

Good time of day.Do the second week.Relax quickly.The feeling is that the body dissolves completely,there is only consciousness.Fell asleep a couple of times,but this is likely due to the fact that too at late hours was doing.After class, excellent condition.The only thing that disturbs thoughts.Relax and literally comes with a lot of negative thoughts,a pile of urgent issues that need to be addressed immediately.Sometimes with difficulty restraining order not to disable NAVIGATOR and rush to solve these problems.Interestingly, at the end of the session, all is forgotten.Instantly. :) And often do not even remember/or can't remember/ what did you think about during class.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 19:37

Джуди wrote:please Specify (for my motivation ) the Purpose of this stage - listening for feelings? Reread Your instructions on the first page. It says that it is not necessary to use some techniques for relaxation, and you just have to lie there and "observe". Does "supervision" over - breathing "inhale-exhale", the mental "blowing waves through the body to relax the muscles" - while listening to some technology? They (technicians) help me to not be distracted by extraneous thoughts and focus on sensations.
The purpose of this stage (as its name implies) - adaptation. We get used to the car (or stimulation through headphones), our body learns to relax to the outdoor sounds, the brain ceases to resist the stimulation, and the mind is less doubt that the technology of stimulation with light and sound works. That is, for most, is preferable to listening without any tech - it should work without problems, if nothing else. Those who interferes with something, I recommend additional equipment (your choice - they are now in the network very much as described - or most appropriate in my opinion). Simply, if we do not use incremental crutches when stimulated, they then most likely won't need.

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Re: 1. The period of adaptation.

Post by к-13 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 19:46

АЛАИС wrote:Good day.Do the second week.Relax quickly.The feeling is that the body dissolves completely,there is only consciousness.Fell asleep a couple of times,but this is likely due to the fact that too at late hours was doing.After class, excellent condition.
As you see, already have adapted to start with the anchoring?
АЛАИС wrote:Should relax and literally comes with a lot of negative thoughts,a pile of urgent issues that need to be addressed immediately.
Maybe it's a sign from the subconscious that something really ought to decide - in such moments, the right decisions come faster and more frequently, and they tend to be the most optimal of all correct)))
АЛАИС wrote:Sometimes with difficulty restraining order not to disable NAVIGATOR and rush to solve these problems.Interestingly, at the end of the session, all is forgotten.Instantly. And often do not even remember/or can't remember/ what did you think about during class.
Or maybe it's just some kind of mental attitude that prevent You normally rest in the fullness of time - it often happens that such parents the children hammered, clinging to a sense of duty, guilt or a sense of responsibility for their future - no matter whether the child is doing something useful or not, but would not idle.

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