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Post by Талисман » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:57

Tell me, and this is especially almost all the music files operating frequencies are present in the form of amplitude modulation or frequency, which is very noticeable even when listening through one earphone?

And then here binaural effect(Binaural beats), which I thought is a arising due to the nonlinearity of human hearing of low frequency vibrations (beats) while listening through headphones sound signals (music)for small (a few Hz) offset frequency in one channel relative to another.

In this case, when listening through one earphone effect of low-frequency modulation is not heard, and there is in the hearing through two ears.

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Post by к-13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:57

Талисман wrote:Tell, and this is especially almost all the music files operating frequencies are present in the form of amplitude modulation or frequency, which is very noticeable even when listening through one earphone?

And then here binaural effect(Binaural beats), which I thought is a arising due to the nonlinearity of human hearing of low frequency vibrations (beats) while listening through headphones sound signals (music)for small (a few Hz) offset frequency in one channel relative to another.

In this case, when listening through one earphone effect of low-frequency modulation is not heard, and there is in the hearing through two ears.
Yes, this is intentional. When shifted to discrete sounds, tones, or noises there is no difference - think of it, one slightly above the other... But if you move one channel of the musical composition with respect to another, the melody becomes very disgusting to listen to one channel are offset by half the value of the frequency down, the other on the same up and both eventually to be false (as if played on detuned instruments). Then when the brain begins normal processing, it is almost imperceptible. Therefore it is necessary to additionally modulate the amplitude - in this case, the brain almost immediately reduces the frequency (and in one ear shift somehow not so noticeable). Another way to seamlessly include binaurally in tune - shift only high and very low frequencies, where the melody is almost no music, and the rest of the range to remain intact, but it is not as effective in terms of result (still double stimulation).

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Post by Талисман » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:50

K-13thanks for the detailed answer.

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Post by Надеждочка » Wed Mar 13, 2013 17:43

Good day, Roman. Thank you for Your answers! (sorry, but not "You" can't :? )
As for the feelings when listening to the new sessions, then:
1) I had Never listened to such music, for me it is a strange, unpleasant, even scary, kind of distorted. While listening to can't seem to persuade myself not to pay attention to it - I'm in Wonderland, where everything is strange. Throat singing, when compared with other, even very nice.. It does not claim, and none of my cranky "Fi" - just describe your feelings. So before the listening sessions there was some kind of unpleasant feeling. I hope that by the end of this stage, my brain, my perception of the adapting. Now everything is so. When listening to "the Lake" - again, unclear sudden fear and then can't relax because of this. I understand that all these are my personal some memories, emotions, sensations on a subconscious level, but that doesn't make it nicer.
2) I Have signal audiostrobe not very strong, although on MM exhibited a maximum L. we Have to make a louder sound to Auditron started to operate (when listening to the sessions of the 1st stage, this was not observed). But listen to loud such compositions are not very comfortable with and without glasses is not very. Maybe something I'm doing wrong?
3) Today when listening to the session, ceased to feel its teeth. Such was the pressure on the front side from nose to chin and a distinct "sense of neomusaria" of their teeth...

Associated training:
Thank you for the program "rainbow" and "Alphabet" and tips.
1) Also found a very interesting exercise for training. Indicates a link, maybe someone will need: http://youryoga.org/med/right_brain.htm Presented I loved the exercise, "the Arab reader" - read text from right to left awesome. And many other different interesting exercises.
2) to work with the mouse with the left hand - is it important to work all day with your left hand? Or is it enough to devote 2-3 hours, if possible more? Just when there's an urgent report, I turn to the right hand (cut time). Or is it in these days it is important to work only with the left hand?
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Post by ТатьянаС » Wed Mar 13, 2013 18:55

Надеждочка wrote:1) Also found a very interesting exercise for training. Indicates a link, maybe someone will need: http://youryoga.org/med/right_brain.htm presented I loved the exercise, "the Arab reader" - read text from right to left awesome. And many other different interesting exercises.
Thanks for the link. And animated exercises and Arabic reading very much.
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Post by Неон » Wed Mar 13, 2013 19:58

Tell me, please, what does the phrase "Days to listen to the audio files of the first group and execution of associated training without MM"
1. what is the audio files of the first group?
2. no MM should be listening to the audio files of the first group or only the execution of associated training?

ask in relation to
к-13 wrote:Nova wrote(a):
And why at first not to listen active with the glasses? and when can I start with them?

I would still not advise to use glasses active - the picture will interfere with the flares. I'll make a release distribution with suggestive information.
that is, all are actively discussing what they have there with points, but you write that you should not use points "in active state".
3. what is the active state by the way?

and unrelated
4. where it says that the files need to finish listening to 2 hours before sleep, and then suddenly slipped suddenly?..

P. S. In the graph of the second stage is written the phrase with a strange causality - "because the balance is difficult to determine, those who are not experienced, then at the top you need to write a single digit, and below another" :lol:

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Post by к-13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 22:56

Today will no longer answer most likely - I had the whole day no light (some kind of accident on the high-voltage lines), and the battery life of the netbook is nearly empty.
Надеждочка wrote:1) I had Never listened to such music, for me it is a strange, unpleasant, even scary, kind of distorted. While listening to can't seem to persuade myself not to pay attention to it - I'm in Wonderland, where everything is strange. Throat singing, when compared with other, even very nice.. It does not claim, and none of my cranky "Fi" - just describe your feelings. So before the listening sessions there was some kind of unpleasant feeling. I hope that by the end of this stage, my brain, my perception of the adapting. Now everything is so. When listening to "the Lake" - again, unclear sudden fear and then can't relax because of this. I understand that all these are my personal some memories, emotions, sensations on a subconscious level, but that doesn't make it nicer.
So are a few options - not all at once please :? Choose what goes best and do not use anything else. Music is really distorted - it affects the brain due to these distortions.
Надеждочка wrote:2) I Have signal audiostrobe not very strong, although on MM exhibited a maximum L. we Have to make a louder sound to Auditron started to operate (when listening to the sessions of the 1st stage, this was not observed). But listen to loud such compositions are not very comfortable with and without glasses is not very. Maybe something I'm doing wrong?
I then downloaded all the files with a weak audiostrobe - replaced them with files with a higher volume on Monday gave new links. On my decoder there is no gradation of brightness - there is a light bulb or burn (if you reach the level of detection) or not burning (if it is not reached).
Session with the reworked audiostream:
http://yadi.sk/d/_ftZ02vg37Wbt
http://yadi.sk/d/32Zxj2iA37Jtb
http://yadi.sk/d/23L6Jgfc3D7cA
http://yadi.sk/d/yBKmaeqa3D7d2
http://yadi.sk/d/4ds20-yd37Wbb
http://yadi.sk/d/XiPQrnMx3D7ea
http://yadi.sk/d/hK5EMqj33D7ec
http://yadi.sk/d/_q0awh2C3A1df
http://yadi.sk/d/L2XtDUyM37Mmr
http://yadi.sk/d/qoMr5I3d37JvT
http://yadi.sk/d/_tQ6k8dz3DBXQ
Надеждочка wrote:3) Today when listening to the session, ceased to feel its teeth. Such was the pressure on the front side from nose to chin and a distinct "sense of neomusaria" of their teeth...
So, too, sometimes...
Надеждочка wrote:2) to work with the mouse with the left hand - is it important to work all day with your left hand? Or is it enough to devote 2-3 hours, if possible more? Just when there's an urgent report, I turn to the right hand (cut time). Or is it in these days it is important to work only with the left hand?
In the description of the release says "from this point on work with the mouse only the left hand." The less You have to shift the mouse in the right hand, the faster You will no longer such a need, the faster You will get noticeable results.
Неон wrote:Tell me, please, what does the phrase "Days to listen to the audio files of the first group and execution of associated training without MM"
1. what is the audio files of the first group?
The audio files of the first group I posted, the second group will lay out this Sunday. They will be more difficult.
Неон wrote:2. no MM should be listening to the audio files of the first group or only the execution of associated training?
In conditions it is written like this: in the morning and two hours before bedtime listening session with MM during the day, perform passing exercises without MM. That is, the first group you need to listen with MM and without MM exercise, but for exercise I additionally gave music binaurally without a gate for the player.
Неон wrote:and unbound
3. where it says that the files need to finish listening to 2 hours before sleep, and then suddenly slipped suddenly?..
:roll: In the subject line. This is a recommendation, not a requirement, I explained why you may experience trouble sleeping, but that doesn't means that they necessarily arise.
Неон wrote:PS In the schedule of the second stage is written the phrase with a strange causality - "because the balance is difficult to determine, those who are not experienced, then at the top you need to write a single digit, and below another" :lol:
In fact, a causal relationship is quite linear in the first stage, we target state determined by relaxation of the body and marks put on the level of achievement, in the second stage, the state of beginners is difficult to determine, so instead of ticks and crosses we put in the classroom - those who consistently worked at least one hour a day, those accustomed to the as to the beginning of the second week and successfully anchored it to the end of the stage. Two of the six in the control group failed, but that's okay - they just have to get back to this stage after completion of the workshop, (then will be much simpler with the achievement and the anchoring - balancing activity gradually builds up during prolonged work with the MM).<

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Post by к-13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 23:09

Неон wrote:that is, all are actively discussing what they have there with points, but you write that you should not use points "in active state".
3. what is the active state by the way?
Active state is when the body moves in space and processing information about the world. The priority for the brain is changeable information about the outside world and not monotonous light and sound from the car, so getting from such activities, a good result is very problematic. To practice with open eyes need a good experience with MM, when the result, even not a rhythmic effect, and the fact that the brain is already accustomed to the fact that after the outbreaks at these frequencies, it enters a certain state. That is, the target state is more the result of comparison by the brain of the situation (conditioned reflex) and not tuning to MM. You don't have to create a precedent situation when the brain did not adapt to MM about the processing of information about the outside world.
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Post by к-13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 23:10

Надеждочка wrote:incidental exercise:
Thank you for the program "rainbow" and "Alphabet" and tips.
1) Also found a very interesting exercise for training. Indicates a link, maybe someone will need: http://youryoga.org/med/right_brain.htm Presented I loved the exercise, "the Arab reader" - read text from right to left awesome. And many other different interesting exercises.
Yes, really good exercises, thanks!

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Post by Неон » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:03

Thanks for the replies, so it became clearer.

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Post by ЗОМБИ » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:26

alphabet a hell of a game... the difference of the alphabet and any shooter that playing a shooter at the same time it is possible to think-in the alphabet hell... although the shooter is a kind of mental relaxant through overvoltage, if you long to play... in General, put the experiment to play a shooter (I do not remember how many years ago I indulged in) an hour or so then right back to the alphabet...

this morning I decided to try to put in the repetition of om.throats.singing -- through 30 minutes spilled inhibition received... cheers, won't do it again. Today just before bedtime short session of the kerf, so that Mosk was not used.

a session with the words acting like a bedtime story...
as music Gorlovka like the most, but are unable to play the alphabet for emotional-thinking of the track prevents... however, it would seem such a trivial game bi

it would be good in the name of the session to put the iota frequencies on which there is synchronization...

even during the session focused on the left eye and the right hemisphere at the same time... like they are connected with a tube... in General as in my opinion changes faster with this accent

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Post by к-13 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:50

ЗОМБИ wrote:alphabet a hell of a game...
Naturlich)))
ЗОМБИ wrote:the difference of the alphabet and any shooter that playing a shooter at the same time it is possible to think-in the alphabet hell... although the shooter is a kind of mental relaxant through overvoltage, if you long to play...
You just haven't played the alphabet - there, too, eventually fall into a relaxed state - ease all - in movement, in processing, in thought, in work... Try it.
ЗОМБИ wrote:this morning I decided to try to put in the repetition of om.throats.singing -- through 30 minutes spilled inhibition received... cheers, won't do it again.
Roasted rooster zombie ass pecked :lol:
ЗОМБИ wrote:and session with the words acting like a bedtime story...
I, too, before you sleep listen to three or four pieces... Dreams are any oversaturated steel - Wake up with so much detail that even half to dictate do not have time - the rest is forgotten... But in the morning you can untwist the chain.
ЗОМБИ wrote:as music Gorlovka like the most, but are unable to play the alphabet for emotional-thinking of the track prevents... however, it would seem such a trivial game bi
And you train, that should work even in case of overload)))
ЗОМБИ wrote:it would be good in the name of the session to put the iota frequencies on which there is synchronization...
Unable to place himself - in all of them the swinging frequency of 10 to 14 Hz, just the graphs are different.
ЗОМБИ wrote:during session focused on the left eye and the right hemisphere at the same time... like they are connected with a tube... in General as in my opinion changes faster with this accent
Yesterday Nudestock gave the link - there is a description of the "breath right brain" - also a good technique, I wanted to prakicheski breath to turn on when I recorded, but decided that it was too soon. Can be anywhere at any time to practice.<

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Post by ААААА » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:07

And how do you know if there's a test which hemisphere is dominant and how to understand that they are in balance left to right ?

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ААААА wrote:AND how do you know if there's a test which hemisphere is dominant and how to understand that they are in balance left to right ?
In General, the Internet is here in this picture
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If it seems that the image spinning clockwise, stronger development of the left hemisphere (logic, analysis), counterclockwise - right (emotions, intuition). When the balance of hemispheres, not taking his eyes off the center of the picture you can easily change the direction of rotation. The fact is that the left hemisphere sees the primary (itself a figure), and the right minor details (for example the periphery of vision, in this case the shadow of the legs). Therefore, when activation of the right hemisphere is activated intuition is the subconscious analysis of a wider range of information.
But if long enough to perform an exercise like the alphabet, the resulting state has with anything not confuse.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:12

In my opinion, much easier to change direction, looking for support heel... 8)

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Post by Борис М. » Fri Mar 15, 2013 13:16

The test model is old and the direction changes easily. It seems to me that there is more game vision than the work of the hemispheres, although I could be mistaken )))))))))) who invented these tests better. But it hurts all just wanted to saw, wanted to watch commercials! Type as was previously pictures of perelivami :)

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Post by Борис М. » Fri Mar 15, 2013 13:21

к-13 wrote:Yesterday Nudestock gave the link - there is a description of the "breath right brain"
Somewhere somehow I got a lesson in the buildup of the brain on the skull. Sounds ridiculous, but nevertheless feels like the brain is shaken back and forth, left - right, up-down. Maybe this technique is something to give or is it just the versatility of the imagination ? :)

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Post by к-13 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 13:57

Андрей Патрушев wrote:In my opinion, much easier to change direction, looking for support heel... 8)
Because the circuit is "spinning" in one direction and the shadow in another.
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Борис М. wrote:Model test old and the direction changes easily. It seems to me that there is more game vision than the work of the hemispheres, although I could be mistaken )))))))))) who invented these tests better. But it hurts all just wanted to saw, wanted to watch commercials! Type as was previously pictures of perelivami :)
The direction is not so easy to change, if, as I wrote, look it in the center of the picture and do not move your eyes. Besides, it is not necessary to try to change - you just need to look at this point and mark the direction of rotation. The test only works in this case. Everything else - from the desire to trample Claudia.

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Борис М. wrote:
к-13 wrote:Yesterday Nudestock gave the link - there is a description of the "breath right brain"
Somewhere somehow I got a lesson in the buildup of the brain on the skull. Sounds ridiculous, but nevertheless feels like the brain is shaken back and forth, left - right, up-down. Maybe this technique is something to give or is it just the versatility of the imagination ? :)
The brain cannot be shaken inside the skull, but even if I could, it doesn't have a single receptor, aiming at information retrieval. So it's just imagination. Although the activated hemisphere they may - just correct directed attention.

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Post by Борис М. » Fri Mar 15, 2013 20:10

к-13 wrote:Brain can't be shaken inside the skull, but even if I could, it doesn't have a single receptor, aiming at information retrieval. So it's just imagination.
I didn't know that!!! Enlightened! Senko! The brain is not maybe about it, no one spoke .

к-13 wrote:the Direction is not so easy to change, if, as I wrote, look it in the center of the picture and do not move your eyes. Besides, it is not necessary to try to change - you just need to look at this point and mark the direction of rotation. The test only works in this case. Everything else - from the desire to trample Claudia.
So maybe detailed requirements to the test immediately and to specify , and not to trample Claudia , as you surely have noticed. To yourself apply than galling. Grammatical!

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Борис М. wrote:K-13 wrote(a):
the Brain cannot be shaken inside the skull, but even if I could, it doesn't have a single receptor, aiming at information retrieval. So it's just imagination.
I didn't know that!!! Enlightened! Senko! the Brain and about it nobody spoke .
What is this?
Борис М. wrote:somewhere somehow I got a lesson in the buildup of the brain on the skull. Sounds funny, but nevertheless, feels like the brain is shaken forward - backward, left - right, up-down.
Written in plain text that the activity is rocking the brain and it can be felt. No notes on what this imaginary swinging, not trusca head, for example.
Борис М. wrote:K-13 wrote(a):
the Direction is not so easy to change, if, as I wrote, look it in the center of the picture and do not move your eyes. Besides, it is not necessary to try to change - you just need to look at this point and mark the direction of rotation. The test only works in this case. Everything else - from the desire to trample Claudia.
So maybe detailed requirements to the test immediately and to specify , and not to trample Claudia , as you surely have noticed. To yourself apply than galling. Grammatical!
Here's the description I gave to the picture:
к-13 wrote:If it seems that the image spinning clockwise, stronger development of the left hemisphere (logic, analysis), counterclockwise - right (emotions, intuition). When the balance of hemispheres, not taking his eyes off the center of the picture you can easily change the direction of rotation. The fact is that the left hemisphere sees the primary (itself a figure), and the right minor details (for example the periphery of vision, in this case the shadow of the legs). Therefore, when activation of the right hemisphere is activated intuition is the subconscious analysis of a wider range of information.
Note - simple and short, but in fact, there is even a hint is not specified that it is necessary to apply efforts to look for the catch or attempt to deploy the image using the voltages of the brain. Just say where she is spinning. All - no imagination or initiative.
You yourself wrote:
Борис М. wrote:Model test old and the direction changes easily.
That is, and You already know everything, so don't even bother reading my explanation, but You are not too lazy to write here emotional claims and tell the others how wrong to use the picture. While trying hard I extreme make :lol:

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Post by ААААА » Fri Mar 15, 2013 22:55

Spring avitaminosis visible))))

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Post by ААААА » Fri Mar 15, 2013 22:57

Thanks for the reply! I spin to the right unless you see the shadow of legs)) then it is possible in any direction to rotate!))

There's another picture of a cat so there easier to handle!)))

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Post by к-13 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 23:30

Here people :(

I will repeat one last time. Management is out of the picture. It's only a test. That is, it needs to be exactly the same as any other test or tester looked at it, saw the result and postponed for the next time when you need to measure the imbalance of activity of the hemispheres of the brain. The principle of operation I explained.

Nobody will a pregnancy test licking or rubbing the forehead, below the second strip was gone, it too will fail.. And certainly will not claim to the manufacturer to show for it :lol: Even if the line is erased, it will not change anything - here, too, nothing will change, if someone starts to look for workarounds.

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