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Post by и-Ван » Fri Mar 07, 2008 16:55

Andrew, thanks for the reply. Seen in the sale of such alkali, but for some reason she was in solid form, such 5 mm tapered Sparky. Buy a plastic mask to protect the face and gloves.

Andrew, but if water with a pH of 10-11 units? Today come try.

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri Mar 07, 2008 17:10

И-Ван wrote:Andrew, thanks for the reply. Seen in the sale of such alkali, but for some reason she was in solid form, such 5 mm tapered Sparky.
what you need.
Buy a plastic mask to protect the face and gloves.
a must!
Andrew, but if water with a pH of 10-11 units?
Too slow.
Today come try.
Good luck! :)

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 18:52

Andrew, thank you again :) .

About "slishkom slowly," so anyway, three day weekend in store chemicals. Three days I will pour in a cuvette, warmed water with a pH of 10-11. Eat then eat, if not, will go next week and all you need to buy.

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Post by и-Ван » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:32

Previous post of mine.
Andrew, didn't believe it myself, but alkaline/"living" water from a cell with a pH of 10-11 removed the layer of deposited aluminum on the glass. Glass clean :) . The water was heated to 50-60 degrees. Changed ten times

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Mar 08, 2008 14:31

И-Ван wrote:Previous post of mine.
Andrew, didn't believe it myself, but alkaline/"living" water from a cell with a pH of 10-11 removed the layer of deposited aluminum on the glass. Glass clean :) . The water was heated to 50-60 degrees. Changed ten times
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Post by и-Ван » Sun Mar 09, 2008 0:37

Andrew was recently in a fan of home theater. Myself am a TV and movie cool, in a General way. All as usual: projector, good acoustics, but he still has some ustroystvo through which are driven two iron pieces, on which are placed the rear legs of the couch sitting where watching a movie. Two devices simultaneously with different frequency and strength physically reproduce low frequency audio path of the receiver. If the car goes through potholes, the sofa and jumps almost as well.

The next day I cut the disk a clean sine wave with a frequency of from 1 Hz to 15 Hz in increments of 1 Hz from 15 to 25 with step of 5 Hz, etc. up to 400 Hz.

To the surprise of all plays 1 Hz. The force of the blow on the sofa is adjustable from minimal to weak.

At BWG I recorded a gradual increase of frequency from 5 to 10 Hz. Gradual increase also plays.

What is the difference if I lie on this couch and this device works and I whole body perceive the frequency of 6 Hz at a comfortable force of the blow or I lie there and just listen with headphones those 6 Hz 106 Hz minus 100 Hz without this thing. In my opinion the difference should be. Different physics and frequency is formed by the subtraction of frequencies, and real.

So, Andrew, opinion?

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Mon Mar 10, 2008 14:02

И-Ван wrote:Andrew, was recently the guest of the fan of home theater. Myself am a TV and movie cool, in a General way. All as usual: projector, good acoustics, but he still has some ustroystvo through which are driven two iron pieces, on which are placed the rear legs of the couch sitting where watching a movie. Two devices simultaneously with different frequency and strength physically reproduce low frequency audio path of the receiver. If the car goes through potholes, the sofa and jumps almost as well.

The next day I cut the disk a clean sine wave with a frequency of from 1 Hz to 15 Hz in increments of 1 Hz from 15 to 25 with step of 5 Hz, etc. up to 400 Hz.

To the surprise of all plays 1 Hz. The force of the blow on the sofa is adjustable from minimal to weak.

At BWG I recorded a gradual increase of frequency from 5 to 10 Hz. Gradual increase also plays.

What is the difference if I lie on this couch and this device works and I whole body perceive the frequency of 6 Hz at a comfortable force of the blow or I lie there and just listen with headphones those 6 Hz 106 Hz minus 100 Hz without this thing. In my opinion the difference should be. Different physics and frequency is formed by the subtraction of frequencies, and real.

So, Andrew, opinion?
Cool, of course, and promotes relaxation, but in terms of "repetition frequency" vibration is not working. Optimally 170-180Гц for relaxation hard to not get carried away - maybe back specifically to take.

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Post by Guest » Sat Apr 12, 2008 14:10

Andrei Patrushev
can you comment on this :

"Such education clusters — do not give rest to researchers. They took a question: is it possible to use water to store information? Bits and bytes could correspond to separate clusters. So is the water, like a ferromagnetic layer on the tape cassettes, can store, for example, said? And maybe we will learn to read from the tape water news of bygone times?

Questions follow questions, one weirder than the other. Water has a memory? And maybe soul? What if all our feelings, all the experience accumulated in the water? So the nice people? Listens to the music of Mozart and Chopin?

However, there is an immutable law: any media needs a long time to be in at least two different stable States. In this case, we can encode information in binary system. For example, a semiconductor transistor, or a current flows or not flows.

That's how it mess with the cluster? Hydrogen bonds are unstable; at room temperature, they instantly drop to immediately — from one water molecule to another to spread the new bridge. The question is how unstable these connections.

The phenomenon of "water memory" are interested in even the editors of the authoritative journal "Nature". On its pages was a published report about an experiment conducted by the staff of the University of Toronto and Institute named after max born in Berlin. It showed that water is one of the most "forgetful" substances in the world.

In this experiment, it was directed by T. elzesser and D. Miller were generated vibrations of the atoms comprising a molecule of water. However, after 50 femtoseconds oscillations were damped (1 femtosecond = 10-15 seconds). Obviously, the reason was the weakness of the hydrogen bridges, which allow water molecules to rotate, to tilt, to tip over. In formed they network constantly, there were fluctuations, but because the water instantly forgot their previous structure for the same 50 femtoseconds of her had not disappeared.

The water is simply no time to get something to remember. Its structure resembles the least stable. It is as difficult to guess some kind of order, like ripples in flashing on the waves, to recognize the world map, or in the eternal game of clouds to see a prototype. Everything that is written on the water, up in the air. If you want to store the information of a few femtoseconds, you can burn it to a new and exotic media — a bottle of water. Another trillionth of a second — and your record is hopelessly outdated. "
full article here http://www.inauka.ru/prognoz/article81424.html<

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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Sat Apr 12, 2008 14:25

In this experiment — it was directed by T. elzesser and D. Miller were generated vibrations of the atoms comprising a molecule of water. However, after 50 femtoseconds oscillations were damped (1 femtosecond = 10-15 seconds). Obviously, the reason was the weakness of the hydrogen bridges, which allow water molecules to rotate, to tilt, to tip over. In formed they network constantly, there were fluctuations, but because the water instantly forgot their previous structure for the same 50 femtoseconds of her had not disappeared.
Pseudo-scientific set of words. Even given the fact that it was written by a reporter and actually meant something else, the experiment is not at all about this...
The cluster is fairly stable. There is a volume effect. For example, a 0.5 liter bottle, the memory effect takes place for two hours and 40 liters for about a week... of Course, we are not talking about recording some kind of information, like the movie, but the biological value varies. Water with a high degree of polarization of the molecules and, therefore, the cluster promotes the synthesis of proteins more dense with less energy consumption for the body.

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Post by Guest » Sat Apr 12, 2008 14:42

Thanks Andrew for the elucidation.
So these correspondents :evil: really often use scientific-sounding words and hang people thus to deceive. :(

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Post by Князевский » Sat Apr 12, 2008 21:13

Андрей Патрушев wrote:
In this experiment — it was directed by T. elzesser and D. Miller were generated vibrations of the atoms comprising a molecule of water. However, after 50 femtoseconds oscillations were damped (1 femtosecond = 10-15 seconds). Obviously, the reason was the weakness of the hydrogen bridges, which allow water molecules to rotate, to tilt, to tip over. In formed they network constantly, there were fluctuations, but because the water instantly forgot their previous structure for the same 50 femtoseconds of her had not disappeared.
Pseudo-scientific set of words. Even given the fact that it was written by a reporter and actually meant something else, the experiment is not at all about this...
The cluster is fairly stable. There is a volume effect. For example, a 0.5 liter bottle, the memory effect takes place for two hours and 40 liters for about a week... of Course, we are not talking about recording some kind of information, like the movie, but the biological value varies. Water with a high degree of polarization of the molecules and, therefore, the cluster promotes the synthesis of proteins more dense with less energy consumption for the body.

on the border of what discoveries we are!

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Post by Мирта » Thu May 22, 2008 21:42

Seen in the sale of so-called Aqua disk (wooden disk, with a diameter of 10-15 cm, height 1.5-2cm ) fragrant pine needles and bee products. Information on their website. How to use: Put on disk pitcher ( supplied ), water is stirred with a wooden stick counterclockwise 1 min. Left 6 hours. All ready. Read somewhere review: the Water spoiled with consistent and predictable results ( Apparently fell into the water, blue-green algae on the walls and a film was formed from the slime in aquarium ). Inside is enshrined in a solid mass, again products from the forest for beekeeping, spring is in the form of a solenoid on a broad base, tapering to a pyramidal top ). Apparently the spring was somehow charged. How to check efficiency in the home, no one knows. Service life of 5 years. All this is doubtful... :wink:

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PS have Business with by the manufacturer!:wink:
Maybe still two reactors is a bit much, but the idea of really like...:cry:<
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Post by Андрей Патрушев » Fri May 23, 2008 13:41

Hmm, how did the highlanders manage to live so long is almost distilled water? :)

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Post by Князевский » Fri May 23, 2008 14:54

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Hmm, how did the highlanders manage to live so long is almost distilled water? :)
You seem to have noticed,
rats from samopalnoy distilled water live, the natural from the mountains is 12% longer duration and not get sick.

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Post by Карил » Fri May 23, 2008 16:28

Андрей Патрушев wrote:
In this experiment — it was directed by T. elzesser and D. Miller were generated vibrations of the atoms comprising a molecule of water. However, after 50 femtoseconds oscillations were damped (1 femtosecond = 10-15 seconds). Obviously, the reason was the weakness of the hydrogen bridges, which allow water molecules to rotate, to tilt, to tip over. In formed they network constantly, there were fluctuations, but because the water instantly forgot their previous structure for the same 50 femtoseconds of her had not disappeared.
Pseudo-scientific set of words. Even given the fact that it was written by a reporter and actually meant something else, the experiment is not at all about this...
The cluster is fairly stable. There is a volume effect. For example, a 0.5 liter bottle, the memory effect takes place for two hours and 40 liters for about a week... of Course, we are not talking about recording some kind of information, like the movie, but the biological value varies. Water with a high degree of polarization of the molecules and, therefore, the cluster promotes the synthesis of proteins more dense with less energy consumption for the body.
Can you recommend a device for structuring water?

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Post by аурик » Fri May 23, 2008 17:17

We are waiting to

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Post by Мирта » Fri May 23, 2008 19:28

Андрей Патрушев wrote:Hmm, how did the highlanders manage to live so long is almost distilled water?
Why do You ask?:shock:
If Ref IZUMRUD, the manufacturer says that
"Water treated in IZUMRUD, meets the requirements of hygienic standards. It retains the necessary for the body useful trace elements: potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium, lithium, fluorine, iodine and others." So that on distillation no claim.

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Post by Карил » Tue May 27, 2008 17:18

Карил wrote:
Андрей Патрушев wrote:
In this experiment — it was directed by T. elzesser and D. Miller were generated vibrations of the atoms comprising a molecule of water. However, after 50 femtoseconds oscillations were damped (1 femtosecond = 10-15 seconds). Obviously, the reason was the weakness of the hydrogen bridges, which allow water molecules to rotate, to tilt, to tip over. In formed they network constantly, there were fluctuations, but because the water instantly forgot their previous structure for the same 50 femtoseconds of her had not disappeared.
Pseudo-scientific set of words. Even given the fact that it was written by a reporter and actually meant something else, the experiment is not at all about this...
The cluster is fairly stable. There is a volume effect. For example, a 0.5 liter bottle, the memory effect takes place for two hours and 40 liters for about a week... of Course, we are not talking about recording some kind of information, like the movie, but the biological value varies. Water with a high degree of polarization of the molecules and, therefore, the cluster promotes the synthesis of proteins more dense with less energy consumption for the body.
Can you recommend a device for structuring water?
Andrei Patrushev responded to the drug.
You need to take a stack of CDs, put them on a metal Cup with water. I left it for the night. The water really tastes different from the one that was in that Cup, but stood on the table. In action similar to the Cylinders.

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Post by Алексей Маринин » Sat May 31, 2008 21:04

I would like to touch on the subject of BOILED WATER!Benefit or harm?My personal opinion useless (meaning cold water)! My parents drink only boiled and do not recognize any other , and I cannot convince them! The only thing I did was to freezing water from the tap in the freezer , but they boil for a few hours and, after cooling drink!Prompt who that knows! It is desirable with deep arguments!!! Thanks in advance!ALEXIS!

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Post by Алексей Маринин » Sat May 31, 2008 21:06

I would like to touch on the subject of BOILED WATER!Benefit or harm?My personal opinion useless (meaning cold water)! My parents drink only boiled and do not recognize any other , and I cannot convince them! The only thing I did was to freezing water from the tap in the freezer , but they boil for a few hours and, after cooling drink!Prompt who that knows! It is desirable with deep arguments!!! Thanks in advance!ALEXIS!

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Post by Мирта » Sat May 31, 2008 21:09

Long history of Chinese tea consumption ( And than we are worse? ) says ( to the Chinese ), boiled water - is dead, murdered, it is too much fire. The time will find my arguments more solid. :)

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Post by вишня.друзья » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:31

give structure to the water through a matrix of structurer and food in the refrigerator in silver water with silver ionizer sites www.matrix.com.ru www.aires.spb.ru www.nevoton.ru

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Post by Guest » Mon Jun 08, 2009 14:19

If you have time search the Internet Galina Shatalova Human Health: Philosophy, physiology, prevention. In this book Goritsa about structuring water vkusnosti. Very rare to meet such smart women. As she writes structured water is the best, the juice obtained from the fruits or vegetables in this juice it is the structure of water, even gives an example don't remember what people or in the Amazon or somewhere else as they drink from any fruit juice and really feel great. By the way about the longevity of the mountaineers, and Yakuts are articles about why they live long. Galina Shatalova she worked in various fields: space, surgeon at Burdenko and now spends with the people Hiking in the Crimea, lectures, and incidentally helps us to understand why there are many diseases and helps to cure them. To me personally this book has helped open your eyes to many diseases and most of her 90 years living in their system of healing, with respect Tolanic.

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Post by Guest » Mon Jun 08, 2009 14:28

Yes I forgot to say that the juice is not nitratov even if fruits and vegetables contain them because when preparing the juice nitrate ostaûtâ in the tissue, and juice are not so up with nature, respect Tolanic.

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Post by Баффетт » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:40

By the way, yesterday there was a program on TV channel Russia about structured water. I must say, impressive. Especially the ability to accumulate positive and negative human emotion.

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